A philospher’s reflections on AGW denial

Reposted from Dr. Judith Curry’s Climate Etc.

Posted on September 11, 2019 by curryja |

by Dr. Paul Viminitz

Of the things I care most about, AGW is near the bottom. But because, as George W. Bush put it, either you’re with us or you’re against them, I think I’d rather be interestingly wrong than politically correct. Accordingly I rehearse what I take to be the case for AGW denial, masquerading – so as to continue to get dinner invitations – as tongue in cheek.

I think I was only about six or seven, but I remember it quite clearly. We were sitting at the dinner table and my sister, who was a few years older than me, asked my parents whether we Jews believe in an afterlife. I don’t remember their answer, but I do remember thinking how strange it is to ask someone else to tell me what I believe. And yet that’s precisely what I’m about to do.

Unlike Christianity or Islam, Judaism is a non-doctrinal religion. Moreover, you don’t decide to be a Jew. You’re a Jew just in case, well, you are one. Your beliefs have nothing to do with it. But one might decide, for reasons having nothing to do with what she believes, that it would be ‘cool’ to be, say, a Buddhist, or a Flat-Earther, or a white supremacist, or whatever, and only then enquire into what one needs to believe in order to count as such. Maybe it’s how they dress, or the music they listen to. Or just that anti-racists, for example, are so priggishly holier than thou. When it comes to identity politics, cool is cool. Rationale counts for naught. It’s all about image.

In any event, I decided – and I decided this sight unseen – that it would be cool to be a denialist, because for a philosopher, even bad press is better than what we typically get, which is no press at all. Of course I don’t mean I want to be a denialist tout court. I want to be selective. I want to deny something that would earn me a level of vilification that would make me cool, but not so vile that I’d never get another dinner invitation in this town. That’s why, tempting as it was, the Holocaust just wasn’t an option.

I toyed for a while with the Warren Report, and then the moon landing. But none of my students would remember the Kennedy assassination. And claiming that that “one small step for mankind” was in an airplane hanger out in the desert somewhere would just make me one of those crazies. Having met some, I’ve decided crazy isn’t cool. Cool requires at least plausible deniability.

And so …? And so that’s why I’ve settled on anthropogenic global warming (AGW). One might have to be ignorant to be an AGW denier, but not necessarily crazy. And unlike defending pedophilia, AGW denial isn’t quite cringe-worthy enough that no one would want to have anything to do with me.

The only problem, as already noted, is that since I don’t know anything about AGW, I don’t know what I’m required to not believe about it. And so the objective of this present exercise is to repair that lacuna, cuz … well, it just won’t do to know nothing whereof one’s speaks with an air of great authority.

Accordingly, I preface the remarks that follow not with a pro-forma “I stand to be corrected”, but with a genuine one. Of course no such correction will alter my view. That’s just what it is to be a true believer. But the first step in getting the facts wrong is getting them right. And for some help with that, I’ll be forever in your debt.

* * *

I’m told that a denialist is someone who espouses a view that flies in the face of a recognized scientific consensus. First question: Why do I need to espouse my denial to qualify? Answer: Because denialism is now being cited as a hate crime. The mere having of the view that, for example, anyone with haggis on her breath should be killed, is only a thought crime. But as long as I keep my thoughts to myself, celebrants of Robbie Burns Day are in no danger. No danger no harm. No harm no foul.

Second question: A consensus recognized by whom? It can’t be those who subscribe to that consensus, because then anyone who denies what the Creation Scientists are telling us would count as a denialist. After all, they too see eye to eye with each other.

One could argue that Creation Science is a misnomer, because for them their Scripture trumps their otherwise being faithful to the so-called ‘scientific method’. But I’m not sure this will do. We all rely on a chain of doxastic trust. And presumably that reliance is a function of track record. Imagine someone who predicts the future with 100% accuracy, but no one can figure out how. You could stick to your principles and refuse to consult him. But that would just make you an idiot.

So if one has reason to believe that Scripture is testimony, and that that testimony has proven reliable in moral and historical matters – e.g. the Jubilee Laws and the Empty Tomb respectively – then why not trust what it says about cosmology?

Now don’t get me wrong, which of course you will. I’m not defending scriptural literalism here. I don’t need to. I only need to claim that one needn’t be crazy to give her Scripture its doxastic due.

But let’s not quibble about what counts as science. Let’s just say that by the ‘scientific consensus’ is meant whatever’s issued by those mainstream institutions from which we’re habituated to take our lead in matters pertaining to the material world. Whether we do so right-headedly or not, and how radically contingent that leaves our beliefs, is another matter, and one that need not delay us here.

That said, no one thinks these institutions are infallible. So nothing in the definition entails that the denialist must be mistaken. And so one can, without embarrassment, concede that some of the greatest contributors to our understanding of the world were, in their own times, denialists.

But that need in no way put the kibosh to the pejorative use of the term. Tomorrow it may turn out that Andrew Wakefield was right, that vaccinations can cause autism. But that won’t entitle him to an apology. A wrongful conviction is not an unjust conviction. Truth is always uncertain. As are the processes by which we try to have at it. But those processes are all we’ve got. And for the most part they’ve done us yeoman service, the odd outlier, like thalidomide, notwithstanding.

But that still doesn’t tell us from which particular scientific institutions we should be taking our lead. Think of the media. CNN touts itself as “the most trusted name in news”. But Fox claims only it is “fair and balanced.” Some swear by the one, others by the other. So shall we just say we each pick our reality and leave it at that?

We can certainly say it, but we can’t leave it at that, because our disparate realities impact on each other’s. Not always, but often enough. If I’m not vaccinating my kid, and yours is immune-compromised, our decisions are not so nicely compartmentalized. Though whether the same can be said about AGW we’ll have to see.

I mention CNN and Fox because for most of us the only way we can come to know which is the mainstream consensus, and which is the outlier, is via the media. Because you watch and read what you watch and read, you think that “Everyone knows that p.” But because I watch and read what I watch and read, I think that “everyone knows that not-p.” What can we say to each other other than what we do say, which is that “Everyone in the know knows that …”? If we disagree it can only be because one of us is not among those in the know.

As we’ll be discussing later, combating AGW is a collective action problem. Collective action problems are hard enough to overcome when we’re of a mind that there is a problem. Even where we’re not, a collective action problem needn’t be intractable, provided there’s the requisite critical mass of us who are of a mind. But we can’t commit to the cause if we can’t overcome this afore-noted skepticism.

And yet often enough we do commit, which means we do overcome it. How? By fiat. I believe most of what I’m told because if I didn’t I’d be frozen in stasis. And the proof that having these admittedly unjustified beliefs is better than suspending belief entirely is that the former has been naturally selected for and the latter selected against.

So in this strategic sense of justification, let it be granted that one is entitled, though by no means compelled, to believe what she’s been told, namely that 97% of scientists believe that AGW is real.

* * *

Third question: 97% of which scientists? And fourth: Have they confirmed AGW themselves and independently, or do they merely believe it via the same means the rest of us do? After all, a computer scientist is a scientist, but what does she know about climatology? And if one climatologist is ratifying the findings of a colleague because the first has no reason not to trust the second, then a 97% consensus has no more probative force than would a minority report.

Let all this be granted. But so what?! Almost everything we believe is ultimately attributable to a very few people making some observations, a few more drawing inferences from those observations, a few more making inferences from those inferences, and so on. The further up the ladder we go the more our confidence hangs on the confidence we have, sight unseen, in the observations made and inferences drawn at every rung below. Pearls in, pearls out. Garbage in, garbage out. That’s just the dividends we reap, but also the dangers we incur, from the specialization of epistemic labor. It’s as they say: There’s no free lunch.

So let’s see what we’ve got. What we’ve got is that there’s a report on a report on a report, and so on … that there’s a consensus on there being a consensus on there being a consensus, and so on … about a chain of trust upon which some people, but not others, are prepared to rely … that delivers the verdict that AGW is real.

That, it seems to me, is hard to deny. And I do not deny it. Nor do I know of any AGW denier who does. The problem is, that’s just trivially true. Or as they say, that’s just trite but true.

* * *

But I can’t be a denialists without something to deny. So let’s give it another go.

By the ‘weather’ is meant what I need to know to plan my day. Flying the Pond aside, that means the behavior of the atmosphere – precipitation, wind, temperature, that sort of thing – within an hour’s drive of the local TV station. I’m told that none of these constituents is independent of the others. But for the sake of honing this discussion to our purposes, let’s confine ourselves to temperature.

We’ve only been able to take and record the temperature for a couple hundred years, and take and record it continuously rather than periodically for much less than that. Still, as with any non-monotonic function, we’re allowed, because we have no choice, to interpolate and extrapolate. And when we do, what we get is something akin to a row of shark’s teeth, jagged and nonsensical.

What we mean by climate, then, is taking these same measurements and averaging them over a period of, say, thirty years. Now as the cursor moves along, it still rises and falls. But failing some catastrophic event, like a comet strike or a Krakatoa, the jaggedness has almost entirely disappeared. At one point the average temperature over the fifteen years either side of the cursor was, say, twelve degrees. But one would have to move the cursor several decades to record an eleven or a thirteen.

So far we’ve been defining our climactic temperature as the average reading from one sensor located in the parking lot next to the local TV station. Now let’s average the average readings from all the sensors spread out across the county, being meticulous, in the positioning of these sensors, not to invite any biased sampling errors. Presumably the cursor will rise and fall even less erratically. And as we continue to spread our sensors further and further across the globe, what we should find, if the global climate is (what we’ll call) ‘stable’ – and putting the odd El Nino or La Nina aside – is something pretty close to dead flat.

But apparently we don’t. From the early 1800’s to the present, what we find – or more accurately what someone has found that someone has found that someone has found – is that the average global temperature has risen by at least one full degree. Of course whether it will continue to rise depends on what caused it to rise as it has, and whether that cause and effect is a monotonic function or a non-monotonic one. That is, does whatever caused this rise in temperature bear the seeds of its own reversal? And if so, at what point can we expect that reversal to kick in?

Note that in saying “whatever caused this” I mean to include the possibility of anthropogenesis, be it as only a contributing factor or even the sole one. For example, some people are optimistic that global temperatures will return to their pre-Industrial levels once we either exhaust the fossil fuels we’re currently converting to carbon dioxide, or kill ourselves off, whichever comes first. Though ‘optimistic’ might be a strange choice of words in this context.

* * *

As it happens, I’m an atheist. But I call myself a sympathetic atheist rather than an atheist simpliciter, because though I’d bet my immortal soul there is no God, I wouldn’t bet the family farm on it. Similarly, then, as a denialist I don’t think I’m required to rule out the possibility that global warming is real, and if it is, the possibility that that warming is anthropogenic. That would be the kind of epistemic hubris for which I rightly pasquinade my interlocutors.

What remains open to me, however, are the following options:

  • I could deny that as a matter of fact it’s real.
  • I could allow that it’s real but deny its anthropogenic.
  • I could try to assure my Chicken Little interlocutors that whether it’s real or not, it’s nothing to worry about. Or …
  • I could allow that there would be something to worry about were it not that Scripture has promised us a Second Coming. And that requires that we still be here to welcome it.

Needless to say I’m hoping I won’t be driven to this last option. And not only because as a Jew I’ve given up waiting for a First Coming let alone a second one. In any event, let’s see which of these options I should embrace.

I do worry, as do some of my fellow travelers, about how meticulous the positioning of these sensors have been not to invite a biased sampling error. But I’m prepared to accept on faith – the same faith that would allow me not to accept it – that over the past two hundred years the average global temperature has risen by a full degree.

Mind you, over the past hour it’s fallen by over eight degrees. What I need to know is why the average global temperature rising by one degree is a greater cause for concern than the local temperature dropping by eight. After all, not unlike sticks and stones and names, hurricane force winds may break my bones but climate will never hurt me. The answer, we’re told, is this:

Climate supervenes on weather. That is, there can be no change in the climate without a series of changes in the weather. But though a change in the climate can’t cause a change in the weather – that would violate the supervenience relation – its prognostication can simultaneously prognosticate changes in the weather. For example, in predicting seven years or drought, Joseph was simultaneously predicting the unlikelihood of rain next Wednesday. So if the Chicken Littlers are right that we’re in for a second degree of global warming over the next decade or so, then there are certain meteorological phenomena that can be anticipated with a reasonable degree of certainty. And some of these phenomena are indeed cause for concern.

Concern for whom? Let’s take a brief detour to see if we can answer that question.

* * *

Of the seven and a half billion people in the world, surely there exists at least one person – let’s call her Jane – who would like to end her life but lacks either the wherewithal or the courage to do so. It follows that, notwithstanding that the end of the world – by which we’ll mean the end of its anthropicity – would be a loss for the vast majority of its human inhabitants, there are some people – by which is meant at least one – for whom it would be a gain. Moreover this would be true pretty much regardless of how the world came to an end, in this anthropic sense, whether it be a planet-killing comet that gets us, nuclear Armageddon or, well, AGW.

One could hold that, notwithstanding she has a right to want to end her own life, not at the cost of ending everyone else’s. But this adds an extra premise to the story, which would have to be argued for independently. After all, David Hume argued that “’Tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger.” If such a reason can be given, I’ve yet to hear tell of it, save that some people entertain some weird sentiment Hume calls ‘fellow-feeling’, a sentiment which Jane, apparently, does not entertain.

A fortiori, then, of the seven and a half billion people in the world, there exists at least one person – let’s call him Dick – who’d prefer to go on living, but whose quality of life, by his own measure – which is the only measure that respects him as an autonomous agent – would be enhanced, either by AGW itself, or by that of which AGW is an anticipated but autonomous effect. It follows then that, not unlike pretty much anything else that goes on in the world, AGW itself, or that which eventuates from it or in it, is destined to produce both losers and winners.

It may well be that, even over the short run, there’ll be more losers than winners. Or at least that those who’ll lose will lose more than those who’ll gain will gain. But what is that to Dick? It may even be that over the long run even Dick will lose. But what is that to Jane?

An individual can be mistaken about which of the two she’ll be. But that’s true of pretty much any choice one makes under one- or two-dimensional uncertainty. What follows, however, is that what, if anything, to do about AGW is a political decision, subject to the same forces at play in any other political decision, namely the interplay of conflicting interests. One can hope that someone else’s interests, as she herself sees them, will dovetail with one’s own. But to get in high moral dudgeon when hers don’t betrays the moral maturity of a three year old.

Now then, as any rational choice theorists will tell you, there’s often a radical disconnect between one’s declared preferences and her revealed ones. Which of the two are her real preferences? I’d go with the latter. So when someone tells me she’d prefer these ends but consistently pursues those instead, I’m inclined to suspect she doesn’t really prefer what she thinks she does.

But there’s an important caveat to this conclusion. I’d prefer to spend the afternoon cleaning up the neighborhood, if but only if enough of my neighbors join in. But if they won’t – and they won’t – then I’d prefer to watch the football game instead. This is what’s meant by a collective action problem. And the failure to resolve such problems produces what Garret Hardin has called “the tragedy of the commons”. So I can level no charge of hypocrisy at those who would do something about AGW but don’t, because in the absence of others following suit – which they won’t – their efforts would be wasted. This describes most of my colleagues. And probably yours too.

But there’s another reason why people who angst and bleat about AGW are behaviorally indistinguishable, apart from that angsting and bleating, from their denialist nemeses. They tell us that AGW is the most urgent problem facing the world today, and then they wonder why no one’s treating it as such. It’s because there isn’t a single person on the planet, themselves included, for whom doing something about AGW is anywhere near the top of her things-to-do-today list. If a comet were about to destroy the Earth in the next ten minutes, then I guess I’m going to meet my Maker with my schlong hanging out, because first I have to pee. Or pick up the kids from school. Or walk the dog. I may not bother to make the mortgage payment that’s due today. But other than that, yep, I think it’s pretty much business as usual.

A fortiori if I happen to work in the Patch. Because if it turns out we’ve got anything longer than ten minutes, say a couple of months, the bank’s not going to accept my “The End is Nigh” sandwich board in lieu of my next loan repayment.

We are told that we have twelve years to mend our ways. Or else what? Or else we’ll bear the consequences of another twelve years delay, just as we’ve borne the consequences of the last twelve years delay. So maybe what I’ll deny is not so much global warming itself – though I want to retain the right to do so – nor that it’s anthropogenic – though I want to retain the right to deny that too – nor that it won’t have devastating consequences for some people – perhaps it already has. Maybe I’ll just say that doesn’t settle the issue of who, if anyone, should do what, if anything, about it.

Or maybe I’ll just say that, because it’s such an intractable collective action problem, no one is going to do anything about it. And that since no one’s going to do anything about it, it’s not, by definition, a problem. How not by definition? Because by a problem is meant something we might be able to do something about. Otherwise it’s just called a fact. But even an unpleasant fact – like that I’m going to die some day – doesn’t bear a whole lot of worrying about.

But I’m not sure I want to leave it at that. I think I do want to deny that it’s a fact. The world will come to an end sometime. And in all likelihood the anthropicity of the world sometime before that. But the end of the world has been predicted, much to the embarrassment of countless shamans, since we emerged from the cave, and I think there’s something to be said for a little induction.

“Ah, but this time it’s different.”

And yet it never is.

“Yes, but now we have the science to prove it.”

And what shaman thought he didn’t?

Is this just my veiled way of trusting that God is going to save us? I’m an atheist, remember. But let’s see.

Your scientific consensus, coupled with my command of collective action problems, delivers to us the inevitable end of the anthropic world. My pragmatic theory of truth can’t allow that. So either your science is wrong, or my understanding of collective actions problems is woefully inadequate. I know nothing about the former. I make my living from the latter. So you tell me which I’m likely to think is the culprit.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

* * *

If you can no longer parse an argument – or perhaps you never could – it’s nothing to be ashamed of. I’ve never been able to run the ten-minute mile either. I’ve come to terms with that.

What does forfeit one’s membership in the conversation, however, is doing the Kellyanne Conway. To pivot is really just to have left the building.

I’m responsible for what I’ve said, not for what I meant, nor for what you’ve heard. My denialism can be associated with any number of mephistophilian objectives: the war on science, the alt-right, child pornography, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion … Or my interlocutors’ favorite: my being in the pay – I could only wish! – of Big Oil.

I’ll happily plead guilty to all of the above. (Well, except for Big Oil. They keep telling me the cheque is in the mail.) But not unlike the flowers that bloom in the spring, tra la, none of this has anything to do with the case, tra la!

Not unlike the ad hominem circumstantial or abusive, phrases like ‘the recognized scientific consensus’, or ‘the leading experts in’, are fit for rhetoric, but not for serious argumentation. If you’re going to use ‘urgent’ to mean something other than it does, you need to redefine it and then defend what you’re saying with it. If you think there’s an asymmetry between your epistemic protocols and those of your interlocutors, you need to identify that asymmetry without presupposing it. This is not to say your view couldn’t win the day. But it needs to win it, not just claim it.

We denialists – assuming I’ve succeeded in being one – have been as guilty as our interlocutors of making this debate into something so toxic that it’s no wonder neither of us can preach other than to the converted. So since I’m now their official spokesman, I’d like to propose we both wipe the venom from our spears and talk to rather than about each other.

Even if you have to fake it till you make it, do it. A little intellectual humility can go a long way towards making friends and influencing people, which presumably is what you’re after, especially the latter. Unless, of course, like the Almighty, you just want to bask in the splendor of your unassailable righteousness.

Biosketch:  Paul Viminitz is a professor of Philosophy at the University of Lethridge in Canada.  One of his specialties is the philosophy of war. Link to his publications. He blogs at Paulosophical Vimplications.

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Mark Broderick
September 16, 2019 6:10 am

” well, it just won’t do to know nothing whereof one’s one speaks with an air of great authority.”

September 16, 2019 6:20 am

It’s not denial, it’s science.

David L Hagen
Reply to  Nick Schroeder
September 16, 2019 1:38 pm

Read Viminitz’s essay again carefully. He brilliantly undercuts the arguments for AGW.

What we’ve got is that there’s a report on a report on a report, and so on … that there’s a consensus on there being a consensus on there being a consensus, and so on … The problem is, that’s just trivially true. …
And that since no one’s going to do anything about it, it’s not, by definition, a problem.

etc.

badEnglish
Reply to  David L Hagen
September 16, 2019 3:53 pm

Agreed, David L Hagen.
Admittedly, that was a long essay to stay with and like other commenters, I was wondering if Viminitz ultimately closed all loops and made his point. Whether anyone here had the desire to finish reading or not, may I offer up my favourite bit from the piece: “One can hope that someone else’s interests, as she herself sees them, will dovetail with one’s own. But to get in high moral dudgeon when hers don’t betrays the moral maturity of a three year old.” That rang so true from my experience, I did actually LOL!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  badEnglish
September 16, 2019 6:12 pm

I object to the constant use of the “her” and “she” pronouns. If using “he” was wrong, it’s just as wrong to use “her”. Just use “one” or “they/their”.

TeaPartyGeezer
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 16, 2019 10:00 pm

Use ‘he.’ We know what is meant. I detest all this tripping over damn pronouns!

John Dilks
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 16, 2019 10:02 pm

Jeff Alberts,
That was obviously done to get a rise out of sensitive people.

KcTaz
Reply to  badEnglish
September 17, 2019 2:15 am

I enjoyed the first two paragraphs and, then, felt like I was running an obstacle course to understand his thoughts. I prefer people who write like these.
“The only people who need fear open-minded inquiry and robust debate are the actual bigots, including those on campuses or in the broader society who seek to protect the hegemony of their opinions by claiming that to question those opinions is itself bigotry.”
Thomas Sowell

Eric Hoffer,
”One of the surprising privileges of
intellectuals is that they are free to be scandalously asinine without harming their reputation.”

The Difference between an Environmentalist and a Denier
You can easily tell if someone is a true environmentalist, i.e.
an advocate for a healthy planet – he is one who is happy to hear the news that the arctic ice has returned. He is one who celebrates when the recent climate data show the alarmist‟s predictions of catastrophic warming might be wrong. The denier, if he is an eco/political activist, always denies new data that show the planet may be healthy after all. The Media usually defines deniers as those who deny the scientist’s computer model predictions. However, denying the measured climate data meets a better definition in the world of science. Burt Rutan

icisil
September 16, 2019 6:38 am

Good gawd what a lot of words. Get to the point, man. I had to stop reading after a few paragraphs because I have little patience listening to people who like to hear themselves talk. Does this guy think he’s smart or clever or something?

Alan D. McIntire
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 8:31 am

By not reading the whole thing , you missed the last paragraph. The last sentence is prieceless:

” A little intellectual humility can go a long way towards making friends and influencing people, which presumably is what you’re after, especially the latter. Unless, of course, like the Almighty, you just want to bask in the splendor of your unassailable righteousness.”

Reply to  Alan D. McIntire
September 16, 2019 12:31 pm

…The last sentence is prieceless…

I am reminded that I stumbled on another new priceless quote today:

GIGO = Garbage in Gospel Out

chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Alan D. McIntire
September 17, 2019 7:16 am

But I AM unassailably right!

William Astley
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 8:36 am

I thought the same thing. There are things that are gazillion times more interesting that just circle talk.

There is tons and tons of empty talk and angry talk. Same old things. We are angry as there are no solutions. No breakthroughs.

Why are we fighting when there are civilization changing breakthroughs in every field of science?

Talk about things that are real, physical things.

In science there are piles and piles of physical paradoxes which should be impossible. There should and is a physical explanation for everything.

Rod Evans
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 8:50 am

I shared your initial view and almost ducked out, but ploughed on till the final whistle.
Basically in summary the point being made is, talk openly and listen rather than preach and expect your view to be adopted.
Not sure where the relevance to scientific study is in the piece? But hey, those wiser than I, will perhaps find it..

Reply to  Rod Evans
September 16, 2019 9:46 am

“Basically in summary the point being made is, talk openly and listen rather than preach and expect your view to be adopted.”
All well and good if you like everything just the way it is.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Rod Evans
September 16, 2019 9:47 am

Before I bailed it seemed to me he was being preachy.

Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 9:45 am

I tried my best but after reading half of it have been unable to continue.
How can someone talk so much and say so little?
Did he ever get around to making a point or offering an opinion?

Latitude
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 16, 2019 12:07 pm

…reminded me of a lot of conversations we had in the 60’s – 70’s <— we'll just leave it at that

KcTaz
Reply to  Latitude
September 17, 2019 12:33 am

Lattitude, ”
…reminded me of a lot of conversations we had in the 60’s – 70’s <— we'll just leave it at that"

Especially, after a few beers or those things we smoked. 🙂

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 16, 2019 8:11 pm

Nicholas

I found his discussion sequential, honest and encompassing. He discusses how things might be viewed so any believer in this or that sees their understanding reflected.

For those not used to seeing balance in an argument, preferring to read confirmations, I understand that it can be tedious.

If you spend time listening to a good philosopher it is a disciplining experience, as I can attest. A disciplined logician is difficult to fool because they see through false arguments. They tend to be aloof, and care nothing for emotional manipulation.

The arguments for CAGW are appallingly weak. Strong emotions and weak mechanisms and weaker evidence. We don’t have to “deny” anything. We can get on with life, unconvinced.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 17, 2019 12:26 pm

I freely confess to being a less patient person than you are, Crispin.
I found it unnecessarily wordy, and I say that as someone who has been often accused of giving the long version when the short version would suffice.
But I did try to read it during the day when numerous items are vying for my attention, many of them related to stock trades.
But I am somewhat uncertain of what you are saying: Is this person a “disciplined logician”?
He seems to have accepted the global warming alarmist narrative, as least initially.
That is why I was wondering if he came to see the light at the end of his lengthy journey through the tunnel?
I can almost understand his desire to maintain an appearance of having a certain point of view so as not to be ostracized from social events.
Those parties must be more fun to him than I have come to find such occasions.
I have often reflected wistfully on the separation from frequent discussion with my family and friends that this entire issue has caused me over the past ten years or more.
I could have chosen to simply clam up when discussing politics or science with people I have known all my life, but in the end I was unable to do so, even though I have gained nothing by the effort.
Except knowledge that I have spoken up for what I believe.

Bill Powers
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 9:53 am

Over the years I have detected a pattern, people, pseudo-intellectuals, who are not particularly intelligent, work on their vocabulary and then enter fields like philosophy, sociology or psychology, the hegee fields.

They wrap big words around ignorant concepts and talk down to people creating a false impression of superiority.

Schitzree
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 10:52 am

Professor of Philosophy, so expect him to use 3 words for every 1 you would use.

That said, I think he does have something important to say. So worth wading through.

~¿~

Reply to  Schitzree
September 16, 2019 3:55 pm

I agree and found his thought narrative entertaining … the article is not written in dry science so some would flounder; instead read it as you would a novel whereupon it becomes a lot more entertaining from a position of mental gymnastics 😉

PaulH
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 11:01 am

Ha! Philosophers sure like to philosophize, don’t they? 🙂

RoHa
Reply to  PaulH
September 18, 2019 11:07 pm

That’s our job.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 12:24 pm

I too was a bit off-put by the purple prose, but I found the entire piece enjoyable.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Rocketscientist
September 17, 2019 6:24 am

As a computer science professor, I had many occasions to interact with professors of philosophy at several universities until I retired. Early in my career, my initial reaction to discussions with philosophers was quite negative until I realized that during such argumentations, their use of the inherently ambiguous English language was similar to, but much harder than my use of computer languages to implement a bug-free piece of software.

If Viminitz had been writing this piece for some journals of philosophy, it would be much harder and less enjoyable to read. He has done a good job of dressing up his argumentations to appeal to us non-philosophers.

Scott
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 12:26 pm

If a philosopher can’t be verbose…who can? Entertaining piece.

Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 12:33 pm

There is a lot of good stuff in Paul’s essay, although admittedly for those who grew up in the age of video games, actually reading something more than a couple of hundred words is not as exciting as a new game controller pad’s quick start guide.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  DMacKenzie
September 16, 2019 6:18 pm

I grew up in the age of video games, High School in the late 70’s, still play them avidly. I have slogged through Lord of the Rings over 14 times (including The Hobbit), but I couldn’t get through David Copperfield. Didn’t get through this essay either.

Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 1:18 pm

I too agree with icisil.

I did, however, read farther than a few paragraphs, but I grew impatient with what, to me, seemed like verbal self gratification rather than a skillful addressing of an actual reading audience.

I hate self-involved, self-entertaining writing of this sort.

Sorry, if there are gems in it, then somebody extract them. I can’t waste my time digging through all the crap to find them.

Monckton is much more entertaining — I always read through his entire presentations. (^_^)

badEnglish
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 16, 2019 4:09 pm

Robert Kernodle,

Besides the final paragraph (already pointed out by another commenter), I liked: “One can hope that someone else’s interests, as she herself sees them, will dovetail with one’s own. But to get in high moral dudgeon when hers don’t betrays the moral maturity of a three year old.” Apologies for repeating but Robert did ask.

Mpennery
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 2:52 pm

Lol icisil. I was reminded reading this why I had problems staying awake in my college philosophy class. Good thing we all knew the better the bullshitting the better the grade. Something about those philosophy folks. Haha.

KcTaz
Reply to  Mpennery
September 17, 2019 12:51 am

I loved my college philosophy classes probably because my professors were nothing like this gentleman.

The true art of communication and, to my mind, intelligence, is to take complex topics and explain them simply and clearly. That is a high art form.
It seems that many writers today are far more in love with their words rather than the ideas they are using those words to express. If they happen to have good ideas and thoughts and this writer does, the writer does a disservice to them by falling in love with his words.

Dennisa
Reply to  icisil
September 17, 2019 5:23 am

He is smart and very clever. I chuckled all the way through.

Reply to  Dennisa
September 17, 2019 12:30 pm

I am convinced that the smart people are the ones who known global warming alarmism is pure malarkey.
It is not even well disguised or packaged malarkey.
The people involved display every trait of people with something to hide or are flat out lying.

Jeroen
September 16, 2019 6:44 am

This guy should get a real job.

Mark Broderick
September 16, 2019 6:48 am

“Even where when? we’re not, a collective action problem needn’t be intractable,…….”

KcTaz
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 17, 2019 1:00 am

Ouch!

You are right.

Mark
September 16, 2019 6:49 am

The man does like to hear himself drone on. Zzzzzzzzzzz. Oh, now I remember that required philosophy class shoehorned in between physics and thermodynamics. So much Ado about nothing. Consensus is the comfortable place people without technical background can rest while someone else makes decisions for them, such as how much national treasure we will blow tilting at windmills.

I suggest he start by reading past posts by Curry and Watts etc.

KcTaz
Reply to  Mark
September 17, 2019 12:56 am

“Consensus is the comfortable place people without technical background can rest while someone else makes decisions for them, such as how much national treasure we will blow tilting at windmills.”

Mark,
It was worth reading the entire column just to get this quote from you.
Fair Warning, this, I’m steeling it! Thank you.

Yooper
Reply to  KcTaz
September 17, 2019 4:58 am

….stealing…… unless you meant that you were making it stronger… 😉

KcTaz
Reply to  Yooper
September 17, 2019 8:13 pm

Yikes and a big Oops! Thank you. I know that but posting late at night with a scotch and water has its hazards. This error is one of them.

michel
September 16, 2019 6:52 am

Nice. Prolix, but the general dialectical approach is reminiscent of the late Sidney Morgenbesser. Who had learned his argumentative style in a hard school – that of the study of the Talmud.

Sidney once said: We were taught never to cross a picket line. Did that mean you don’t cross a picket line manned by Albert Shanker’s Teachers Union?

Quite.

Jeff Id
September 16, 2019 6:53 am

Nobody credible denies warming, they deny catastrophic warming — cause that is exactly what the data shows. Minimal warming that doesn’t match climate model expectations. The climate models have statistically failed to predict warming, so the only deniers, are those who continue on the path of doing something about AGW which seems to be minimal and beneficial.

That’s the whole argument.

So all this gook about “denial” shows a premise which fails the test of the argument. It is a label falsely applied to those of us in science who can objectively read a graph. Not coincidentally, we are also not monetarily compensated and lauded for claiming doom like the activist scientists are either. No prestige, nothing but fake “denier” labels but we can’t do much about that – can we.

I’m afraid therefore, that like the fake news comparison, your entire diatribe misses the point. I suppose that doesn’t matter much in philosophy where the premise of an argument starts with erroneous assumptions hidden in flowery words and from that foundation builds an argument that cannot stand.

ronnie
Reply to  Jeff Id
September 16, 2019 10:19 am

“Nobody credible denies warming”

Incorrect
The facts (presented previously in numerous posts) appear to show the “warming” to be a function of artificially adjusted data.

The argument for 1°C warming fails when one removes the two ‘corrections’ found in the global temperature records.

A reasonable and credible argument CAN be made for a global non-linear cooling trend based on the original (unadjusted) data.

Add to the above …the traditional orthodox view that the planet has been trending cooler for the past ~8000 years. Now we have a second leg of support for global cooling.

A third leg of support for the ‘global cooling’ argument comes in the form of statistical rekevence:
To pretend that 1800 MONTHS of altered data has the statistical significance to reverse an ~8000 YEAR trend line is nothing more than wishful thinking when discussing systems as chaotic as the global changes in climates.

Bottom line:
Far more credible arguments exist for global cooling than that which exists for global warming ….without the need for post hoc revisionism.

Reply to  ronnie
September 16, 2019 10:40 am

Warming or cooling depends on the start and end points of a linear trend line.

Linear trend lines can be deceptive for non linear temperature data.

The planet is always warming or cooling.

I prefer warming.

Some ski bums prefer cooling.

The evidence, however accurate it is, says:
(rounded to nearest 10,000 years):

20,000 to 10,000 years ago = warming

10,000 years ago to late 1600’s = cooling

Late 1600s to today = warming.

Reply to  Richard Greene
September 17, 2019 12:35 pm

I suspect that by the time a sufficient interval has elapsed to see the 10,000 trend starting in 1600…it will once again be cooling, very sharp cooling this next time.
We should be celebrating our clement climate regime.
Instead we are driving children to depression, panic, addiction, suicide, and tens of thousands of overdose deaths every year…and that trend is a real hockey stick.
It is like what Agent Smith said to Neo at the beginning of the first Matrix movie…when things are too pleasant, people become convinced something is terribly wrong.
Some, it seems, go insane without some perception of severe danger.

Jeff Id
Reply to  ronnie
September 16, 2019 3:02 pm

Well, unlike you, I’ve spent a decade working the data and publishing it online. You may not have been around for that part. Warming trends are statistically non-zero by a tiny amount last I checked.

Thus ‘credible’ is the operative word. Cooling as an argument, while emotionally fun to say, is not statistically rational in any context Ive seen. Your statements are not mathematical, not scientific and absolutely not correct.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Jeff Id
September 16, 2019 6:28 pm

The problem, Jeff, is that there is no “it”. No global temperature. some places have warmed, some have cooled, some have remained relatively static. You can’t combine them all and call it good.

Robert Beckman
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 16, 2019 10:31 pm

You can, and for some purposes should, combine them all.

But those purposes have essentially nothing to do with life on earth, but more about effective solar insolence based on atmospheric mix, which is the sort of knowledge we’ll need to master for really effective terraforming once we get off this rock.

I realize that’s not what you had in mind, and were rather thinking of the abuse of using a high level aggregate when only low level aggregates matter, just that such a metric really does have a use.

The abuse of course happens when someone tries to say that the “average temperature of your house when cooking dinner remains constant to within 1C, so you must not be cooking.” While ignoring that I don’t care about the averages, I just care that my steak gets cooked.

Jeff Id
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 17, 2019 4:04 am

I haven’t heard that opinion in a while. Are you aware that any measurement of temperature of any object is an average of that object’s state? Even a marble on your counter has multiple temperature states within the same body. Would you also claim that the marble doesn’t have a valid temperature?

Didn’t think so because the argument is silly.

Measuring the Earth’s average temperature is absolutely OK to do, it does have meaning, and in the recent years the trend is NOT cooling.

Sorry.

It wasn’t warming very much either.

Seriously, this stuff is all common sense. You can combine them all, you can actually combine even more of them.

-ronnie
Reply to  Jeff Id
September 17, 2019 12:22 pm

Mr. Id writes:
“Measuring the Earth’s average temperature is absolutely OK to do, it does have meaning, and in the recent years the trend is NOT cooling.”

Dear Mr. Id,
FYI:
Global average temperature anomolies are the result of complex computer calculations.

So, if or when the time comes that I embrace a belief in the idea that “Earth’s average temperature” is a measurement ….is when I ask to become a devout member of the congregation of True Believers In A Coming Atmospheric/Oceanic Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide Driven Catastrophic Global Climate Armegeddon.

Jeff Id
Reply to  -ronnie
September 18, 2019 6:24 am

Dear Mr. ronnie,

FYI: I’ve done the calculations. https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/111-2/

You can choose not to believe anything you want. I can’t influence that, but all you are doing is being wrong. I can’t really stop that either.

SkepticGoneWild
Reply to  -ronnie
September 20, 2019 3:43 pm

There is no global surface temperature data. That is an illusion.

Jeff Id
Reply to  -ronnie
September 22, 2019 3:46 am

SkepticGoneWild

“There is no global surface temperature data. That is an illusion.”

You can write words but it doesn’t make them true. Willful ignorance of science is the worst kind of skepticism. Everyone who reads the nonsense you wrote is dumber for it AND there is literally zero point in your argument.

The thing you stupidly claim doesn’t exist, is the problem this entire blog discusses and those who can’t grok the science shouldn’t really use their keyboards so much, they should use their eyes and strain to their last neuron to catch up.

Very frustrating.

JEHILL
Reply to  Jeff Id
September 16, 2019 12:47 pm

“Nobody credible denies warming…”

I deny a bunch of ideas in the AGW space. I deny we can even see a 1C processed average change which is buried in the daily diurnal distribution of a place’s temperatures (which can vary 38C in some places between day time highs and night time lows). I have personally traveled from LA, CA at 24C to Boston, MA at -5C in January somehow nothing catastrophic happened to me nor to the other ~250 humans on that plane. I deny that climate models are validated and calibrated in any way that allows them to be robust and rigorous.

You do realize the planet also cools; from the high temperature of the day to low temperatures, about 2 hours, before sunrise the planet cools.

The planet warms and it cools. Big deal, so what?
Why does the CAGW crowd only care about a warming planet? The planet is both geologically and biologically active; to desire or stipulate that it is OK for one of these to have an effect but not the other is illogical and hubris. Was it not biology that led to the formation of fossil fuels left the geology? Was it not the dead carcasses of marine biology that led to Coral Reefs. All the biology I am aware of consumes energy from its environment; be it chemical, solar, geothermal or other biology.

Mark Broderick
September 16, 2019 6:55 am

Excellent job…

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 16, 2019 11:29 am

Agreed – makes one think about what consensus really is and how ill-defined and fluid terms such as denier really are. The discussion is wordy to a scientist who’s objective is to be accurate and brief but to some of the consensus folks, it’s language they may better connect with.

Ron Long
September 16, 2019 6:59 am

First off, Paul does not remember the dinner table conversation from when he was six years ole, he remembers a memory of the event, and the proof is that he memory is not addressable, ie, he cannot remember his fathers answer. Then Paul goes downhill from there, engaging in rambling nonsense, to such an extent that this whole exercise is nothing but grass recycled by a horse.

ozspeaksup
September 16, 2019 7:00 am

Imust be in the can’t parse crew;-)
gotta be a shorter,less convoluted way to say that surely?

September 16, 2019 7:15 am

I’m looking forward to Paul Viminitz writing a shorter essay on skepticism.
🙂

Reply to  Bob Hoye
September 16, 2019 10:43 am

I’m looking forward to Paul Viminitz never being published in a climate science website again. A great article to cure insomnia, however.

September 16, 2019 7:15 am

Written as a philosopher would. I get the gist, but I may need an interlocutor.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 16, 2019 7:22 am

A good read which reminded me of the old gag that a philosopher is someone with too much free time on their hands. So far the science is being 97 per cent silenced and that is why “climate denier” is the most respectable climate game in town. I never trust people who say the science is settled and there is no need of further discussion. Especially if they are academic empire building or making a fast buck off other, usually poorer, people.

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 16, 2019 7:28 am

The idiots on the left are the ones that deny that climate has been changing naturally for over 4 billion years ! They seem to think the Earth was the “Garden of Eden” until evil Humans came along……D’OH !

Mark Broderick
September 16, 2019 7:24 am

Sheesh, you impatient “peoplekind” have no sense of humor….lol

badEnglish
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 16, 2019 2:56 pm

Canadian, Mark?! I’m looking to build a list of top five reasons to vote Liberal October 21. So far: 1) Winning record beating ethics violations: 60% success! 2) record-setting ejection of two female cabinet ministers from the party 3) bought Canada a used pipeline at a mere $1bn over market value 4)…

Any help is appreciated!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  badEnglish
September 16, 2019 6:30 pm

4) Eh?

badEnglish
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 17, 2019 11:43 am

Was supposed to be/sarc, sorry!

Andrew J Roman
Reply to  badEnglish
September 17, 2019 2:28 pm

Wears nice outfits when visiting India.

September 16, 2019 7:40 am

How many philosophers does it take to replace a lightbulb?

But seriously, if the issue is dinner invitations I suggest that Dr. Viminitz should be cautious with denial of the Climate Emergency, even at a university that is funded significantly by oil.

Sweet Old Bob
September 16, 2019 7:46 am

Kudos PV ! You paint the walls well !
😉

H.R.
September 16, 2019 7:57 am

Professor Viminitz admits he knows little about AGW and then uses an inordinate amount of flowery words to prove it.

Still, it was an entertaining read for me, although I doubt if it produced the result the Professor was aiming for.

Bruce Cobb
September 16, 2019 7:58 am

Nope. There is no talking to Warmunists. This is war, and one they started, but we on the side of truth and actual science will finish.

September 16, 2019 8:02 am

In one of the older parts if not oldest of the Jewish Scriptures, the Book of Job (38:25-30), there are serious questions about weather. Despite all our scientific insights we cannot give conclusive answers:
Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain, and a path for the thunderstorm,
to water a land where no one lives, an uninhabited desert,
to satisfy a desolate wasteland and make it sprout with grass?
Does the rain have a father? Who fathers the drops of dew?
From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 16, 2019 6:32 pm

Wrong questions. There doesn’t need to be a “who”, and so far no evidence of one.

Marion Pettie
September 16, 2019 8:12 am

>And unlike defending pedophilia
I heard it’s a bad idea to mess with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation.

-ronnie
Reply to  Marion Pettie
September 17, 2019 12:35 pm

Mr. Id writes:
“Measuring the Earth’s average temperature is absolutely OK to do, it does have meaning, and in the recent years the trend is NOT cooling.”

Dear Mr. Id,
FYI:
Global average temperature anomolies are the result of complex computer calculations.

So, if or when the time comes that I embrace a belief in the idea that “Earth’s average temperature” is a measurement ….is when I ask to become a devout member of the congregation of True Believers In A Coming Atmospheric/Oceanic Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide Driven Catastrophic Global Climate Armegeddon.

Dave Miller
September 16, 2019 8:22 am

Wow.

I think 97% of you failed to understand, even a little bit.

Was it the “atheist” thing?

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Dave Miller
September 16, 2019 9:16 am

Well said…

Schitzree
Reply to  Dave Miller
September 16, 2019 1:45 pm

I’d say only about a half dozen or so didn’t understand it. They were the ones who came right out and said they didn’t.

Of course, many more may have not understood it, but didn’t feel the need to inform the rest of us.

^¿^

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Schitzree
September 16, 2019 6:33 pm

I didn’t read enough of it to worry about understanding.

A C Osborn
September 16, 2019 8:30 am

That is a lot of minutes I will never get back.

September 16, 2019 8:30 am

Scholars and doctors who don’t know a shit about climate and still are sceptic to Thermageddon are not more impressive in print than similarly ignorant alarmists who chase deniers as their meaning of life.
Why is any bla bla philosophying jerk, sceptic or alarmist, so anxious to claim the right to write pages up and down about a topic they don’t understand anyway?
They just legitimate that expressing climate idiocy is a basic human right, and as such unconsciously keeps the mania alive.
I actually once met a philosopher who claimed to having seen snow recently. It nearly cost him his job.
Why couldn’t he just shut up? The climate madness management couldn’t care less.

icisil
September 16, 2019 8:32 am

Biosketch: Paul Viminitz is a professor of P̶h̶i̶l̶o̶s̶o̶p̶h̶y̶ Intellectual Onanism at the University of Lethridge in Canada

Mark Broderick
Reply to  icisil
September 16, 2019 9:21 am

Well, that was certainly childish ! Open your mind a bit…..

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