Claim: Criticism of Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg is Toxic Masculinity

Greta Thunberg in front of the Swedish parliament in Stockholm, August 2018 – image: Wikipedia

According to The Conversation, the reason people get angry at the high tax job destroying policies advocated by female green leaders is because we are expressing our toxic masculinity.

Green with rage: Women climate change leaders face online attacks

September 13, 2019 6.44am AEST
Tracey Raney Associate Professor of Politics and Public Administration, Ryerson University
Mackenzie Gregory Master’s Student, Ryerson University

Catherine McKenna, Canada’s environment and climate change minister, recently announced that she’s had to hire security to protect herself and her family while in public. With an election now on, it’s likely she’ll face further abuse in the weeks to come.

McKenna hired security after she was out with her children and a driver rolled down his window and shouted: “F-k you, Climate Barbie.” This sexist taunt was popularized by Conservative MP Gerry Ritz, who once used the slur in reference to McKenna on Twitter.

Maxime Bernier, leader of the Peoples’ Party of Canada, recently tweeted at 16-year-old activist Greta Thunbergcalling her:

“…clearly mentally unstable. Not only autistic, but obsessive-compulsive, eating disorder, depression and lethargy, and she lives in a constant state of fear.” 

Following the proposal of the New Green Deal by U.S. congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, critics attacked her intelligence and her personal and professional background. National Review writer Charles Cooke referred to her as an “unmarried, childless bartender” who “somehow has the temerity to fancy herself a congressional representative.” He claimed the New Green Deal she supports is:
“ …an untrammeled Dear Santa letter without form, purpose, borders, or basis in reality.”

Misogyny at work

Climate denialism has also been linked to traditional assumptions of masculinity. Research shows that climate deniers are more likely to adhere to older forms of industrial modern masculinity that helped to push society towards “industrialization, mechanism and capitalism.” 

Accordingly, some climate deniers prefer this older form of masculinity over a newer “eco-modern masculinity” of care and compassion for the environment. 

A 2019 study found that some men will avoid certain environmental actions, such as recycling or using reusable shopping bags, in order to maintain “an outward-facing heterosexual identity.” 

These versions of heterosexual masculinity appear to be predicated upon the domination and exploitation, rather than the preservation, of the environment.

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I’m personally disgusted at efforts by climate activists to shut down criticism by accusing their critics of being racists or misogynists.

I do not support whoever allegedly yelled “f-k you climate barbie” at Catherine McKenna in the middle of the street, making someone feel personally unsafe should never be an acceptable part of democratic political discourse.

But the fact is climate activists legitimately deserve criticism. They want us to spend billions, maybe trillions of dollars on their wild ideas, and they want to seize control of untold trillions of dollars worth of assets which don’t belong to them, based on the flimsiest of evidence.

Climate activists suggesting their opponents have bad motives is a transparent and shameless attempt to silence legitimate criticism of their outrageously awful policy ideas.

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Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 6:10 am

“I do not support whoever allegedly yelled “f-k you climate barbie” at Catherine McKenna in the middle of the street, making someone feel personally unsafe should never be an acceptable part of democratic political discourse.”

It’s only ok when they do it ! (and suggest to others to also do it.)

Great post….

Matthew Sykes
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 9:00 am

McKenna is taking thousands of dollars a year out of that mans pocket because of her BS. He has every right to insult her where ever he wants.

Reply to  Matthew Sykes
September 13, 2019 10:12 am

That is not civility.

We have a government, with its policies and processes.

We don’t decide how we govern by terrorizing those who are duly elected or appointed.

Here in the USA, and likewise in Canada.

To fall from civilization, follow this logic: once I define any opponent or opposition as immoral, I should feel free to use any means against them to thwart them, since they have gone beyond the bounds of reason, as judged by me.

This is the uncivilized strategy used by The Progs when they declare things such as: “climate wilding is not a matter of politics; it is an existential threat, and we must supersede all political process to save ourselves.”

This is how the Progs incite people to violence. This is how Mob Rules is coming to a city near you.

This is also how some small factions of the pro-life movement found it OK to kill an abortionist or two.

When you go down this path, there is no end except: the Strongest Wins.

If you want that, then carry on as a terrorist.

Civility includes a great measure of tolerance and patience.

Sorry if you are intolerant or impatient.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
September 13, 2019 11:12 am

Inane sophistry, from someone who claims to be the last of a party that uses demonization as their first weapon of public policy.

Bryan A
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 12:23 pm

Or simple Misandry

Bill Powers
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
September 13, 2019 11:47 am

TLD, I agree with most of your point but disagree that telling someone, who is actively wielding centralized power in a way that adversely alters your quality of life, to go get f-ked, is an act of terror.

The Left want us to believe that words can hurt us and use the premise to silence discussion and debate. The foul mouthed person the article refers to is a boorish lout who might well be a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, troglodyte but he is not a terrorist What i detest the most about this highway of double standards the leftists have us traveling on is this ideological litmus test that determines whether something is bad or a non-issue

First they want us to believe that it is a greater crime to offend someone with words than to physically assault them.

Second they travel exclusively on one-way highways. Where it is okay to offend certain groups but not the protected classes.

For instance it is “Terrorism” to yell an obscenity at a left-wing political figure but “Speaking Truth to Power” for a leftist mop to accost a right-wing political figure.

I can harass, verbally abuse, and hound a White House Press Secretary out of a restaurant and down the street for no other reason than I just don’t like her or that she is a conservative but don’t you dare tell a leftist environmental minister, who is using the force of government to dip into your discretionary income, to go f- k herself.

Civility has to be a two way street and the left is the stick in that spoke.

Reply to  Bill Powers
September 13, 2019 1:47 pm

Appeasement only makes it worse. They want war and can only be stopped if they fear us enough.
Soft healers make stinking wounds.

Reply to  Bill Powers
September 13, 2019 2:12 pm

+1 Well put. Someday we’ll learn to fight back against these minority interests that attempt to control us to their standards.

Reply to  Bill Powers
September 13, 2019 9:00 pm

“suggesting their opponents have bad motives is a transparent and shameless attempt to silence”

Sure Eric. You’ve devised this piece to illicit as much bile, gnashing of teeth and allegation of bad motives as possible. Hopefully a little misogyny as an added bonus. Naked, hypocritical dog-whistling.

As far as I can tell the research
is accurate and revealing about this claque of older, conservative, white males afraid of the future.

Not in the least bit surprising, since your one of them.

Sam Pyeatte
Reply to  Bill Powers
September 14, 2019 11:44 am

I have no patience for the insane far-left field mice like AOC and Greta. Both should go home and crawl back into their rat-holes. Stop bothering people.

Reply to  Bill Powers
September 14, 2019 11:49 am

Loydo – you are clearly an uneducated dolt, who chants leftist mantras rather than engaging in intelligent thought.

BTW Loydo, the correct spelling for the contraction of “you are” is “you’re”, not “your”.

This is just the beginning of your education Loydo – you have a long way to go before you can speak intelligently to this company.

Sam Pyeatte
Reply to  Bill Powers
September 14, 2019 12:02 pm

The left does not hesitate to use physical force against conservatives. The answer to this situation is to start returning the favor. Their favorite weapon is the gang, Antifa. We need an anti-Antifa “gang” that can “bust-up” the vermin. As of now, they are getting a free ride, as the police refuse to act.

Reply to  Bill Powers
September 14, 2019 12:25 pm

Lloyd, Every time you comment you reveal more of your ignorance.

Illicit: adjective: forbidden by law, rules, or custom.

Elicit: verb: evoke or draw out (a response, answer, or fact) from someone in reaction to one’s own actions or questions.

Reply to  Bill Powers
September 14, 2019 4:14 pm

Here boy, good dog. Roll over.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Bill Powers
September 16, 2019 8:43 am

‘Sure Eric. You’ve devised this piece to illicit as much bile, gnashing of teeth and allegation of bad motives as possible. Hopefully a little misogyny as an added bonus. Naked, hypocritical dog-whistling. ‘

Actually Loydo, you’ve outlined your methods and projected them – again. All with the appropriate by-rote stereotyping – so, were you cloned from a stain of Goebbels mattress or what?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Bill Powers
September 16, 2019 8:51 am

‘claque of older, conservative, white males afraid of the future. Not in the least bit surprising, since your one of them.’

I see Loydo’s come out as openly racist – and quite proudly too.

You really are a caricature aren’t you? About half-a-dozen different kinds of bigot.

Reply to  Matthew Sykes
September 13, 2019 6:51 pm

Spot on.

Here in Indianapolis our delusional, leftist mayor, Joe Hogsett, has embraced every whacko Progressive idea possible. He has decided that cars, and their drivers, are the enemy of the people and begun to transform the city into some Eco-Marxist “paradise”.

I was travelling the neglected streets of our city when I saw him being interviewed by a pliant media outlet, no doubt praising his valient efforts to transform our city into a carbon neutral, people’s republic.

His dereliction of civic duty has earned the name “Pot Hole Joe”.

So I yelled, “Hey Pot Hole Joe! Fix the goddamn roads!”

I don’t feel at all guilty about it nor should the person who yelled “F*** you climate Barbie!”

Reply to  Matthew Sykes
September 14, 2019 5:03 am

Agreed. I wholeheartedly support the man.

Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 9:05 am

I rate the chances of this having actually happened as falling somewhere between pigs flying and Bernie Sanders proposing a tax cut.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 11:15 am

A Russian born violinist by the name of Jascha Heifetz once said: “No matter what side of an argument you are on, you always find some people on your side that you wish were on the other side.”

I wish the car yelling jackwad was on the left of this Climate Hoax. But just because there are jerks skeptical of man’s role in climate change doesn’t make the faith based religion we have come to know as CAGW righteous or real.

William Astley
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 1:10 pm

I completely disagree.

Attacking politicians in their personal life should be treated as a serious crime.

It is not protesting, it is fascism. Using force to frighten and intimate.

Attacking politicians in their personal life is a left tactic, in the US. It is wrong and not effective.

Now calling McKenna a climate barbie in a forum, is not hateful it is just plain talking to make a point.

McKenna is a blond lady who is pushing policies that will accomplish nothing except waste money, increase the Canadian debt, reduce exports, and so on.

Robert Firth
Reply to  William Astley
September 21, 2019 4:38 am

I respectfully disagree. For example, when a politician attacks my personal life, I believe I have a right to retaliate in kind. A politician for example, who seeks to destroy my livelihood or take my freedom, for using the “wrong” pronoun to a hairy male or flabby female. Who imprisons me on ridiculous charges, for showing my fellow countrymen just who is gang raping their underage daughters. Who seeks to have me banned from all discourse, for stating that even “affirmative action” cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

It was the Left that adopted the creed that the political is personal. I say we fight fire with fire.

wayne McKee
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 3:32 pm

Very sad the argument put forward by climate clowns. A shiftimg sands rhetoric that can’t be mailed down. The age of misinformation is here and headed up by emotive feminism….very sad.

Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 14, 2019 3:23 am

“[M]aking someone feel personally unsafe should never be an acceptable part of democratic political discourse.”

Whut? Are you serious? What is this – the 19th century? Where have you been the last decade – under a bridge? In a van down by the river?

Ever hear of ANTIFA? They’re the enforcement arm of the Democrat party. Obama famously said of his political opponents, “they bring a knife, we bring a gun.” Obama also chastised his supporters to “get in the faces” of Republicans and others who embrace reality.

Leftists have been spoiling for a fight since the French Revolution. Violence is all they understand. You can’t talk your way out of this. Submit or fight. Those are your options.

Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 14, 2019 10:25 am

Hi Eric,

Climate Barbie and Climate Ken lie about everything, like their leftist fellow-travellers, aka Lenin’s “useful idiots”.

Who says this actually happened? Where is the video? Are you actually going to believe Climate Barbie? This may just be another leftist lie – a publicity stunt, to get votes from the usual warmist imbeciles.

And how is the hiring of (unarmed?) private security going to safeguard her from further verbal harassment? Will she hire someone with a loud voice who can shout back even louder?

This is Canada, remember, with an unarmed populace, except for the criminals and the cops. Shouting is our only weapon, and poor Barbie is so sensitive. When someone shouts she feels unsafe – she needs her safe space. Maybe her security guard will carry a soundproof tent – or a boom box playing Barry White.

In the meantime, Barbie’s odious ilk, the radical greens, have killed tens or hundreds of millions of innocents, mostly children, with their horrific, destructive policies to “Save the Planet”. Their motto is incomplete: it should be “Save the Planet – Kill the Children!”

By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., April 14, 2019

Best personal regards, Allan

David MacRae
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 18, 2019 3:17 pm

One thing which should be understood is that Barbie is slang in French, which translates into English as Dumb Blonde. doubt that anyone actually yelled “f-k you” but I have no doubt she was called a Barbie. From her photograph it fits to a tee. I

September 13, 2019 6:11 am

As I finished reading the “conversation” I wondered whether it was written by a quackademic?

Why yes it was and also a quackademic to be?

R Taylor
September 13, 2019 6:15 am

Are you equally disgusted when Climate Barbie, et al., accuse their opponents of being killers of children and grandchildren?

Dr. Alex Emodi
Reply to  R Taylor
September 13, 2019 6:53 am

There is no evidence to support that Climate Change Questioners are killers of children or grandchildren. None, nada, nothing. You know, historical documented climate change as opposed to computer modelling.

The kind of radical and unsupported policies the climate change proponents are proposing are not dissimilar to Communism which has been proven time and time again to ruin economies and most adversely affect the least well off in our societies. And seriously, Greta Thunberg has very well documented medical conditions. Is she bright, sure. Does her message make sense. Not really. Is it emotional. Yes. Is that how good decision making is done. No.


Reply to  R Taylor
September 13, 2019 6:56 am

Are we sure the alleged “Climate Barbie” incident actually occurred. It’s awfully convenient. The left has a long history of fabricating thuggery when it suits.

Reply to  Adam
September 13, 2019 8:31 am
Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Adam
September 13, 2019 8:52 am

I have no doubt it happened. This is the land of bears, bitching, beer and backbacon, after all.

Unfortunately for her, the mischaracterization fits so well, it is unforgettable. Her ignorant proposals advanced in the name of “saving the planet” are impossible to implement.

But why is the insult “misogynist”? She’s a woman. Is every claim that some male exhibits “toxic masculinity” misanthropist? Even using the word “toxic” in reference to a male is a misanthropic remark, I suppose.

Objecting to misanthropy is not misogynistic. She should ponder what a Climate Barbie represents and typifies, and stop hiding behind the concept of gender. Were Elizabeth May (Green Party leader) a male, calling him Climate Ken would be appropriate.

Climate Barbie and Climate Ken are the cookie-cutter cartoon characters of Climate Alarm, lampoons of real scientists, available off the shelf from Mattel Corporation, complete with recyclable plastic wrapping.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 11:18 am

Here in the US, every single allegation of a public hate crime has been found to be a hoax, most commonly by the person who reports the story.
Very often it is a complete fantasy, although a few have been found to be instances of one or more leftists starting a fight and then later morphing into an unprovoked attack on THEM.

So far there are zero instances of these types of stories being verified, and literally hundreds of nearly identical made up ones…some quite egregious, involving hugely expensive vandalism, accusations that got someone arrested, etc.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 14, 2019 8:23 am

Many hoaxes never make it in the msm, like this one

Anytime you see MAGA as part of the hate crime, you can expect it to be a hoax.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 11:20 am

The big tell is that this is not how conservatives behave.
It is how leftists behave, and so when they make some crap up, it sounds like the kind of BS they are involved in every day.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 1:34 pm

Global Warming Is Now A ‘Women ’s Issue’ Due To ‘Ecofeminism
Environmentalists are increasingly claiming that global warming is a “women’s issue” and that the world needs “eco-feminism” as a path forward.
Ecofeminists believe that women and nature are bonded by traditionally “feminine” values and their shared history of oppression by a patriarchal Western society. This patriarchal society is built on four intersectional pillars of sexism, racism, class exploitation, and environmental destruction.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  brent
September 14, 2019 6:15 am

This will become a real woman’s issue;

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 14, 2019 11:38 am

Crispin wrote:
“I have no doubt it happened. This is the land of bears, bitching, beer and backbacon, after all.”

That’s your evidence? Crispin, you are a scientist, and apparently a good one. That is not even evidence, it is thin gruel indeed – not at all credible!

BTW, “Climate Ken” is Justin Trudeau, forever being “whipped” by Climate Barbie.

Reply to  R Taylor
September 13, 2019 7:00 am

Not really as I’m not the one blowing them up in class or dropping poley bears on them off skyscrapers. Have they caught them yet?

Ben of Houston
Reply to  R Taylor
September 13, 2019 8:17 am

Yes, actually. I am. However, two wrongs do not make a right, and being rude never convinces anyone (aside from, it seems, Trump, but that man’s persuasion doesn’t seem to follow normal laws of reality).

Call her a liar, a fool, a fraud, or even a lunatic. However, childish insults don’t do anything. There is no reason to ever call a woman a “Barbie” unless her name is actually “Barbara”

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Ben of Houston
September 13, 2019 8:57 am

I think calling someone Barbie or Pinocchio is appropriate as they are well known cultural characters. Doesn’t the Washington Post rate articles’ truthfulness in “Pinocchios”?

Using the metric of “Barbies” could serve some other purpose, or is it OK to use male icons but not female ones? What happened to gender equality ?

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 11:52 am

How ’bout THIS bumper sticker, applicable to all genders:


Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 5:18 pm

“or is it OK to use male icons but not female ones? What happened to gender equality ?”

Male and female are sexes, not genders.

Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 6:20 am


Greg Gutfeld-“Sep. 07, 2019 – 6:05 – Climate activist celebrities and business leaders are facing backlash after arriving at Google Camp in Italy in private jets and yachts.”

September 13, 2019 6:24 am

“climate deniers are more likely to adhere to older forms of industrial modern masculinity that helped to push society towards “industrialization, mechanism and capitalism.

“Accordingly, some climate deniers prefer this older form of masculinity over a newer “eco-modern masculinity” of care and compassion for the environment. ”

In other words, the alpha version of masculinity that built the country versus the fairy cupcake version that’s now dismantling it before our very eyes.

Ron Long
Reply to  Scute
September 13, 2019 7:20 am

So, Scute, you think have identified why CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon don’t make comments critical of Greta? I’m wondering what one has to do to achieve “eco-modern masculinity”? Don’t think I am going there.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Ron Long
September 13, 2019 8:39 am

I don’t think Cooper or Lemon are anyone’s idea of ‘masculine’.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Joel Snider
September 13, 2019 9:45 am

Joel S, ………. “girly-men” …….. is the word you are looking for.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
September 13, 2019 2:15 pm

Yeah, but I don’t quote ‘Ahh-nold’ anymore.

Reply to  Scute
September 13, 2019 8:33 am

Forget the Alpha male, even the Beta’s aren’t neutered enough to satisfy the modern ‘gender’ obsessed Left. We will soon have Gamma, Delta and Epsilon males.

And Oh, what a Brave New World it will be, to have such people in.


Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Schitzree
September 16, 2019 5:23 am

Can polygamy be far behind?
Women will insist on it.
It happens everywhere there are far too few men to go around over a long enough period of time.

Reply to  Scute
September 13, 2019 9:08 am

And who exactly is denying climate changes ? Those on the global warming bandwagon.

John F. Hultquist
September 13, 2019 6:25 am

Is it okay if skeptics make fun of male climate cult members?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
September 13, 2019 6:43 am

No, you can’t make fun of male alarmists, either. Both male and female alarmists are very triggered by any criticism.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 16, 2019 5:24 am

That is what makes it fun.
Pointless to make fun of the imperturbable.

Michael Jankowski
September 13, 2019 6:26 am

Why don’t they take a look at how Judith Curry is treated, including by people like Michael Mann?

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
September 13, 2019 6:49 am

Getting death threats is an almost daily occurrence for many climate realists.

However, that’s never bad. It’s only when they start feeling “uncomfortable”, that a line has to be drawn.

September 13, 2019 6:28 am

The next great innovation of simple minded green libs will be AI and with no need for quantum computers. The argumentation is so simple a robot can do it while the logical and the fact checkers struggle on to counter it with the usual time lags. The combinations derived from using a key word list from social issues with some climate change terms and debate has ended labels and assurances means you can get tenure and promotions while letting the algorithm do the bomb throwing and publication submission. Get rich at the beach while the AI engine runs in the background on such combinatorials as rising seas and people of color and wealth disparity.

September 13, 2019 6:31 am

She can actually see CO2 all around herself, thus she is right, and CO2 is bad because a 16 year old person can see it blocking the suns heat. We should all stop doing anything which involves fossil fuels.. No new construction, no food transportation, no clothes, no Electric vehicles, as they use a bucket load of plastic for its panels, dash, and interior, not forgetting the tires and miles of plastic insulation… Even the batteries are covered in plastic. Oh and bernie said we need new light bulbs to save the climate, doesn’t each light blub have a plastic housing???

Reply to  Sunny
September 13, 2019 7:52 am

yeah the led bulbs use FAR more manmade plastic phenolics for the circuit board or the newer whatever? the circuity etc
theyre so greeeeen u know.

as for Greta well last time I looked iIwas female;-) and she gives me the utter irrits and I would yell FU to her and climate Barbie quite happily and I could think of a fair bit more less kindly to add to that

and the conversation is soyboy central so it figures;-)

Reply to  Sunny
September 13, 2019 9:12 am

Don’t forget to stop breathing.

Reply to  Sunny
September 13, 2019 9:15 am

Take plastic out of agriculture and see how much food we can grow.

Reply to  Sunny
September 13, 2019 1:56 pm

No fancy sailing boats.

Les Segal
September 13, 2019 6:32 am

Maxime Bernier is correct. Greta has been brainwashed and her parents should feel deeply ashamed. Of course, I’m sure that a conversation with her parents would reveal that they’re “deep green religionists” and are convinced of their righteous cause. How sad.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Les Segal
September 13, 2019 5:28 pm

Nordic Thanks might be brainwashed, but I am pretty sure she was the one first running around buying soap.

Tom Abbott
September 13, 2019 6:36 am

From the article: “Climate activists suggesting their opponents have bad motives is a transparent and shameless attempt to silence legitimate criticism of their outrageously awful policy ideas.”

That’s exactly what it is, a means to shut down the debate.

Tom Abbott
September 13, 2019 6:39 am

From the article: “I do not support whoever allegedly yelled “f-k you climate barbie” at Catherine McKenna in the middle of the street”

Assuming that actually happened.

Did Ms McKenna have her window rolled down at the time, or did she just read the person’s lips?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 13, 2019 10:19 am

From the article: “I do not support whoever allegedly yelled “f-k you climate barbie” at Catherine McKenna in the middle of the street”

That is about the 10th time someone has posted the above, …. so I guess its up to me to explain “the problem”.

Actually, for Catherine McKenna to be bitching and complaining about someone yelling at her …. “f-k you climate Barbie” , ….. it is obvious that Catherine didn’t like the looks of or the gender of the person in question, …. therefore she exercised her legal Right to claim ….. Sexual Harassment, ….. a prosecutable act that garners tons of sympathy from avid feminists and girly-men.

But now iffen Catherine had liked the looks of or the gender of the person in question, ….. she would probably have acknowledged said comment with a “wink”, a “smile” or a “nod n’ twitch” …… and never reported it as ever happening. Except maybe to her best friend.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
September 13, 2019 5:22 pm

I think you mean “sex” not “gender”.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 14, 2019 4:54 am

I’m “old school”, ……. gender is specific, …… sex can mean several things.

September 13, 2019 6:45 am

The left knows they can’t win a debate (any debate), so instead they seek to shut down debate, and criticism in general.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2019 8:42 am

And change the subject to conflate and push the sexist-narrative. Isn’t it interesting how all their lyrics go to the same tunes?

September 13, 2019 6:47 am

During his first presidential run, Obama instructed his followers to actively confront those who disagree with Obama.
It really is funny how liberals melt when confronted by the same tactics they use on others.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2019 8:44 am

While at the same time having created a street-thug organization called ANTIFA that will ambush and attack anyone they perceive as being in political opposition – with the blessing of blue-city leaders- AND while claiming their battling ‘hatred’.

Any historical parallels there?

John K. Sutherland.
September 13, 2019 6:55 am

Dang. They got me pegged. I don’t recycle (it’s stupid and ineffective 95% of the time), and I demand plastic disposable bags for my groceries (they are cheap, and I get lots of other uses out of them). So sue me.

Charles Higley
Reply to  John K. Sutherland.
September 13, 2019 7:55 am

Reusable grocery bags are a very bad idea. Something over 80% of grocery bags in California were found to have fecal material on and/or in resuable bags.

Then, there are the chemicals, water, and energy needed to keep the bags clean, if one bothers to do so.

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Charles Higley
September 13, 2019 8:17 am

Ummmm, in California, the STREETS are covered in “fecal material ” ! D’OH !

Bryan A
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 13, 2019 12:35 pm

That ain’t fecal material, it’s (whocutthe) Cheese

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Charles Higley
September 13, 2019 10:40 am

Reusable grocery bags are a very bad idea. Something over 80% of grocery bags in California were found to have fecal material on and/or in resuable bags.

Well now, Charley Higley, ….. would you prefer all that human feces be excreted directly on the sidewalks, rather than in grocery bags, so that you can “track” it into stores, cars, buses, etc.? Or maybe you would prefer “slipin n’ slidin” on it.

And ps, I don’t think those plastic bags are “reusable” after someone takes a crap in one. At least not by me.

Reply to  John K. Sutherland.
September 13, 2019 3:41 pm

When I was in college, collecting and selling aluminum cans kept me in soda money.

Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 7:03 am

I agree that everyone should stop calling her Climate Barbie.
Climate Betsy Wetsy is far more apropos.

Eric H
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 7:15 am

Plus, Barbie is an attractive successful young adult….McKenna CLEARLY is none of these…

So, lets stop insulting Barbie!

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 8:20 am

Some high school friends and I used one of those as a prop for a group book report presented as a skit. Without telling the guy tasked with holding the doll during the presentation, we filled it with water, and then gave it to him when it was his turn to talk. No one in the class, not even the teacher, could stop laughing when it started wetting on him as he was talking. Except him. He was tripping hard on acid; toasted. His astonished reaction was priceless.

Reply to  icisil
September 13, 2019 11:27 am

Ah, the good old days!!

Lee L
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 8:22 am


EVERYONE doesn’t call her Climate Barbie.
I don’t for one. That doesn’t mean I don’t have to restrain myself every time I hear her speak.
Last night it was ‘I have NO TIME for anyone who …’ insert here ‘doesn’t believe there his a climate emergency” or any other dangerous climatist meme. So one of my federal cabinet’s senior ministers has NO TIME for anyone who doesn’t adhere to the dogma. This is my objection to her representing me in government. She needs to have time and an open mind. She states that she doesn’t and implies that anyone who would have time and an open mind is, essentially, a DEPLORABLE.

She isn’t an idiot at all and in fact most anyone would be proud to be able to match her career accomplishments. However, those accomplishments do not include learning any foundational science or mathematics.
International legal social justice warrior seems to be more her speed. What else to expect from that bastion of lefty indoctrination.. London School of Economics.

The Climate Barbie moniker, however, is in the same category as DENIER and is equally inappropriate and disrespectful neither of which are helpful comments.

It appeared in the press that she has applied the phrase ‘gendered climate denier’ whatever that must mean. Equally inappropriate.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Lee L
September 13, 2019 11:25 am

For the record, my true feelings on the subject, all joking aside, is that people who are hateful fools deserve all the scorn that one might wish to heap upon them.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 8:29 am

They could have a Greta version of that doll with a speech box. As it pees all over you it could say “I want you to feel my fear”. There could even be a Stephan Rahmsdorf version that pees so much it causes sea level to rise several feet.

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Reply to  icisil
September 13, 2019 9:03 am

Greta Wetta

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  icisil
September 13, 2019 1:50 pm

Wetta Greta is betta!

I laughed so hard, thanks for that.

Reply to  icisil
September 13, 2019 10:58 am


“‘I don’t want you to be hopeful, I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day…” Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Reply to  icisil
September 13, 2019 4:35 pm

There’s so much potential for Climate Patch Kids dolls.

There could be a Michael Mann version that looks like a Cabbage Patch Kid, with a voice sensor and motorized arms that whacks you with a hockey stick when you say “Show me your data”.

Or a Gavin Schmidt version that walks, and turns and runs away when you say, “Let’s debate”. Kind of like this:

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 11:13 am

‘Climate Barbie’ is my NICE name for Minister McKenna. If she insists on something different, I’m afraid it’s going to be ‘climate double dumb ass.’

Rhys Jaggar
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 14, 2019 7:33 am

The whole point of equality is that women, blacks, Jews, muslims, gays, transgenders etc are equally acountable for their actions and statements.

Criticising any of them for their opinions says nothing about their gender, sexuality, religion or race. It says something about their opinions.

My opinions on weather are based on having experienced quite a bit of weather, from blizzards to heatwaves, droughts to floods etc. They have nothing to do with my taste in women or my non-affiliation to organised religion.

If theoretically I were to tell Greta Thunberg or AOC that their statements were factually inaccurate, their pronouncements were not the most likely future outcomes or the like, I would be treating them as adult figures, irrespective of the fact that they are capable of gestating foetuses when I am not. I would likely say precisely the same to Owen Jones or some male BBC newsreader if they were blethering climate bollocks whilst coincidently holding socialist political views.

My experiences of political discourse tells me that I agree with some things almost everyone says but can also disagree profoundly on some issues with those I often agree with. I guess this shows my immaturity in refusing to join a tribe and mouth things conscientiously that I know to be wrong.

Now as it happens, I happen to not find Greta Thunberg my cup of tea in physical terms, whereas AOC is in female form IMHO an attractive specimen. As I am not homosexual, I do not have any desire to wrap my arms around Owen Jones in a gay bar either.

It so happens I am capable of addressing the GND pronouncements of AOC without calling her a childless bartender. Bartenders often learn more about human nature quickly than academic swots, as they deal with hundreds of different humans daily. They learn to handle rudeness, aggression, intolerance, sexist leering and much more. It might be a good idea to make all prospective Congressfolk and Senators work a bar for three months as a qualification in dealing with people….I learned more about human beings organising their holidays and serving them in a religious bookshop than I ever did at University…

After all, Michael Mann has been known to express inaccuracies in public and so has Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England. AOC is not alone in that regard…

Toxic Masculinity is basically about being rude and obnoxious. It is frustration coming out in a thuggish immature preadolescent way. It does not make men superior talking like that, it means they do not have higher skills in winning arguments calmly.

However, most men are not like that and ambitious women should not imply they are. I have known some truly horrible women on this earth but most women are pleasant people. I do not go around implying all women are aggressive feminazis….even though a small percentage undoubtedly are.

As a public figure, AOC like every other public figure will realise they cannot please everyone all of the time. They are going to have disagreements, battles and spats.

They have a right to be treated courteously and with respect so long as they give the same back. Many might question whether AOC is being respectful if she tells 95% of people to cut out air travel if she does not lead by example….

The ultimate test for politicians is whether they can change their opinions when the facts change.

If they cannot, they do not seek to serve, they seek to acquire and maintain power.

When the latter becomes clear, respect for electors has been lost and hence respect for the public figure should no longer be a given…..

September 13, 2019 7:10 am

So…trying to find a dividing line between “toxic masculinity” and “toxic femininity” or just what do the word spinners think they are up to ?

September 13, 2019 7:18 am

Whatever has happened to Greta?
Since her landing in NY as far as I have seen she has gone off the radar.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  roger
September 13, 2019 8:09 am

Her brand of ridiculous nonsense does not play here the same as in places where the general public is easily duped and endlessly guilt-ridden.
She has her little crowd of sycophants, and no one else gives a rat’s tiny tuchus about another bedwetter.
“Please panic” is not a message people who have real concerns in life are receptive to.

Brent Hargreaves
Reply to  roger
September 13, 2019 8:24 am

Yeah, and when does she fly back to Sweden?

Reply to  Brent Hargreaves
September 14, 2019 5:35 am

She won’t fly. Didn’t you hear how the yacht crew will be flying back over from Europe (after flying home having delivered her to your shores) to sail her back when she’s finished “educating” you Americans?

Reply to  roger
September 13, 2019 8:25 am

Some others are heading there : “Climate Strike” week, Sept. 20-27, is bringing anarchists and greenies to Manhattan to demonstrate at the UN during the opening week of the General Assembly, leading to an
“International Rebellion” against scientific and industrial progress beginning October 7, organized by the eco-fascist Extinction Rebellion, founded and led by psychedelic drug-user and -promoter Gail Bradbrook.

So Greta could be in very bad company indeed.

Curious George
Reply to  bonbon
September 13, 2019 9:12 am

You are in a very bad company when you have no money, or too much money.

Reply to  bonbon
September 15, 2019 12:40 pm

For those of us whose only reason for entering the US was tourism and visiting the National Parks, getting a visa was quite a serious business, and even with it entry involved further questions and finger- printing and retinal scans.
Gail Bradbrook has been arrested 3 times for civil disobedience and invasion of legitimately operating fracking and power station sites.
Given what this implies about her motives for entering the US should not questions be asked about the wisdom of allowing her a visa, or do the rules not apply to such people. And if so: Why?

Reply to  roger
September 13, 2019 8:32 am

Outside the Whitehouse!

George Daddis
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 10:09 am

Wow! That demonstration is impressive. Almost 2 or 3 deep!! Must be SCORES of people there. /sarc

Again, they can’t help revealing this is not about climate.
At about 27 minutes in, a young protester announces that “this government must realize that the economic system of today will not work with the climate of tomorrow.”

At about 15 years of age he has already mastered Climate Science AND Economics.

Bryan A
Reply to  George Daddis
September 13, 2019 12:30 pm

They Did manage to get everyone in attendance into the picture though, including the head of the audience member

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 10:35 am

Wow…several dozen (well, it looks like it must be at least 20) fifth graders who skipped school are gathered to demand a new form of government outside the White House (two words)!
You can see how awful the climate has been where they are gathered, as they stand around singing on green grass near spreading shade trees, attired comfortably in shirtsleeves, with nary a bead of sweat in sight, despite lugging around a large sign!
Some have sweatshirts on, indicating it is a rather cool day even though it is Summertime in scorchingly toasty hot Washington D.C.!
And we all know it is among the hottest weeks of the whole Summer in that part of the US. Turns out a rare backdoor cold front has moved into that region, bringing clouds on an Easterly wind as cool high pressure drops down from Eastern Canada. At 1:30 PM the temp near there is about 67°F (20°C).
It will be a crisis…if she did not bring a nice warm jacket.

Bryan A
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 12:32 pm

SCORE 1 for climate alarmism
1 SCORE for climate alarmism

Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 11:14 am

Greta at the White House

“Right now, she is very quietly chanting “hey hey ho ho climate change has got to go” with the other teens on the scene.”

She must practice that scowl, hours in front of a mirror.
Count the cameras in the other photo.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 11:54 am

Outside the White House (NB. TWO words!), maybe, probably somewhere on the Mall or Ellipse, but not right outside the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue. Wonder why they are not camped on the sidewalk in front of the main entrance…there they might even run the chance of being arrested and carted off by the Metro Police. Now that would be interesting, but 30 minutes of a bunch of brainwashed adolescents chanting to the direction of some equally-brainwashed adults is sadly lacking in appeal.

Reply to  griff
September 14, 2019 6:08 am

This is a good example of orchestrated fake outrage by useful idiots. A busker could generate a bigger crowd with a good card trick.

Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2019 7:21 am

Alinsky tactics: for when you have zero science backing you. The fact that St. Greta is both female, and still a child very conveniently provides double-cover for the Climate Liars. She’s a God-send to them.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2019 8:31 am

In centuries past girls like her came home with stories of visions of the Virgin Mary plus prophesies about impending doom. Also then the gullibles fell for it. Plus ca change.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2019 10:42 am

The funny thing is, for nearly every single 16 year old I have ever met, especially girls, 16 is more like a young woman than a child or little girl.
Some 16 year old’s look as if they are going on 30.
Here is a link to a Bing search for images of typical 16 year old young woman.
Many look distinctly adult-like. Some look young. I saw none that look like growth stunted little girls.
It is pretty strange iffen you ask me, which no one did.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 2:04 pm

Gretta is in fact in that lineup you’ve got. 7 pictures past the RISK-TAKING non-picture.

And after careful study of all the girls, Greta is the only one still in pig tails.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
September 16, 2019 5:29 am

Everyone gets a different selection of search results on just about any of the large search engines.
Part based on location, partly on what one has clicked on in the past…
I am not seeing any of her and I scrolled down pretty far.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2019 10:50 am

16 year old singer Taylor Swift:
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16 year old daughter of Madonna w/ her mom:
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Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 11:18 am

That Swift girl is talented. She can pull her pants down almost to her crotch.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  icisil
September 13, 2019 12:15 pm

It is a classy look.
Almost as trashy as a whale tail with a tramp stamp.
But light years below the pants around the knees and boxers falling off sported by the young men, although that fashion trend is suffering a noticeable decline on recent years.
Turns out it is hard to outrun the police when your pants are around your ankles.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  icisil
September 13, 2019 1:52 pm

I think though, that Taylor is actually wearing those jeans pulled up.
It is how they are cut.
Distance from crotch to waistband is called the “rise”.
There was a trend for a time to see who could manufacture and sell the lowest rise pants.

September 13, 2019 7:23 am

Leave the poor girl alone, talk about low hanging fruit.

Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 13, 2019 8:50 am

see Andy comment below.

Reply to  DonM
September 13, 2019 10:19 am

Like I said, low hanging fruit.
Of no consequence.
Maybe she can escape ?

“There’s no good way to be the center of a media maelstrom you did not choose for yourself.”
Michelle Dean

Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 13, 2019 11:50 am

Ah, but she did chose it for herself, or are you saying she was manipulated by her parents and has thus been abused? Either way she is fair game, to expose her as responsible, or to start an investigation into her parents for abuse. In the majority of states and countries she has reached the age of consent which is mostly 16. In Sweden it is 15.

Now Nick Sandmann is, of course, a totally different matter. A lying liar “native” activist, well known as a activist, harassed him by beating a drum in his face and then going on TV to lie about the situation. And US courts think, so far, that that was OK.

Reply to  Drake
September 13, 2019 1:52 pm

I’m of the opinion that some lessons are best learned the hard way, but you can’t just send them out to slaughter.

Joel Snider
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 13, 2019 12:14 pm

Unfortunately, that’s exactly what greenie-progressives want when they hide behind these little human shields.
When they start these well-funded movements, they have to be checked – there’s too much at stake.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 13, 2019 2:09 pm

Leave her alone? Why.

It is she who has put herself in the limelight and her who traveled to the UN to give a speech.

If she wants to tell us what to do and how to do it, then she needs to put up or shut up.

Telling us not to talk about her is just silly. She pretends to be a veteran intelligentsia with wisdom beyond her years, therefor we can treat her as the adult she thinks she is.

September 13, 2019 7:29 am

Sorry, but I have zero masculinity to throw at anyone, never mind toxic masculinity. I think AOC is a ridiculously self-absorbed twit who hasn’t had an original thought since the day she was conceived, and I have no use at all for the hypocrites who glue themselves to manhole covers and destroy someone else’s property to “save the planet”.

So what does that make me? Just fed up with the whole ecohippie Greenbeaner clown car show.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Sara
September 13, 2019 2:11 pm

For them, probably toxic femininity.
Whatever it is, you are radioactive kroptonite to the self-absorbed class.

Sal Minella
September 13, 2019 7:37 am

Anthrocatastrophists come in two forms: those who deny science because they are ignorant and/or indoctrinated and those who profit from promulgating the faith/fear, Chicken Little and Foghorn Leghorn, if you will. Neither flavor of this phenomenon is desirous or capable of addressing any existential (their favorite word) issue.

There will always be the crazy walking in circles on the street corner carrying “The end is nigh” sign and mumbling incoherently. The real problem is not the already-lost but the future-lost. To save the future from becoming the past (scientifically) we must understand and shut down the vectors (for AOC) of indoctrination.

If you think that today’s eco-warriors are idiotic and easily triggered wait until you meet the new crop who have been intensely propagandized from day one. They don’t even know which of the 26 sexes they are much less anything to do with logical thought.

Reply to  Sal Minella
September 13, 2019 11:16 am

Thanks, Sal, for noting this –
each of my kids have come home from elementary school, after the same edumakation, and told me not to “waste” water – such as by making sure to turn off the tap while brushing my teeth.

So, I get to walk them through this.
Where does the water come from?
the pipes.
where does that water come from?
the treatment plant.
where does that water come from?
the reservoir.

ok, where does the water go when i waste it?
down the pipe.
then where?
treatment plant.
then where?
out to the ocean.
then where?
it evaporates and makes clouds.
then where?
it rains.
where does the rain go?
into streams.
then where?
into the reservoir.

So, where is it wasted? Is some leaving the planet? Isn’t it all just moving from one place to another?

–Marxists are against the Nukelar Family. They want to undercut me, the parent, so they can use the kid in the future as a useful idiot.

With this kind of prep, my kids will hold the belief that School teaches one thing, and Dad teaches another.

School will present themselves as the Authority. [Right. A bunch of elementary school teachers with a bachelors in education versus my degrees and what I have self-taught along the way, including having worked as an environmentalist.]

Sal Minella
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
September 13, 2019 2:02 pm

TLD, I have six grown children who attended public schools in the 80’s, 90’s, and early 2000’s. I had to correct almost everything that they “learned” so, yes there is what Dad teaches vs what the minimally educated teachers throw at them. Kids don’t want to stand out as different so, I told them the truth and also told them that they had to regurgitate what was taught at school (when at school).

They had it easy compared to my 9 year old grandson who had to stand up and identify his sexual identify preference last week.

Reply to  Sal Minella
September 15, 2019 3:40 am

Hey! I resemble that remark!

Andy Pattullo
September 13, 2019 7:46 am

While civil people would not support personal attacks based on gender, race, etc. they certainly have reason to criticize those who have influence on public policy when they advocate for social and economic suicide based on imaginary threats supported by no scientific observational evidence. The misguided soul standing on the corner with a sign stating “the end is nigh” is harmless. The politician, influential environmental advocate or liberal billionaire who does the same is massively dangerous to the well-being of people and the Earth. They should be continuously and frequently criticized and the holes in their logic laid bare for all to see. If not then we will remake the world in the image of the now skeletal Venezuela or something even worse.

Reply to  Andy Pattullo
September 13, 2019 8:49 am


Joel Snider
September 13, 2019 7:46 am

So. Are female skeptics ‘toxically masculine’ as well?

Ladies? Your opinion?

Reply to  Joel Snider
September 13, 2019 8:19 am

No. I know I’m not, and I’m quite a skeptic. Thanks for asking! 🙂

Joel Snider
Reply to  Sara
September 13, 2019 11:37 am

Then surely you must be subservient to a toxic male?

Reply to  Joel Snider
September 13, 2019 11:25 am

They’re worse, e.g., Sarah Myrhe, aka banshee from hell.

Reply to  Joel Snider
September 13, 2019 11:31 am

Nah, harpy or harridanfrom hell is more apropos.

September 13, 2019 7:46 am

Any article which uses the phrase “climate denial” has no legitimacy. It really doesn’t matter what the authors have to say, they have disqualified themselves by totally devaluing their own opinion.


September 13, 2019 7:51 am

They left out old, white (particularly Southern) men. I’ve been told for several decades that as one of those I’m responsible for every evil in the world for the past 2-4 thousand years. Might as well be blamed for not jumping on the 16-year-old, school dropout with a number of mental disorders ban wagon.

September 13, 2019 7:52 am

versions of heterosexual masculinity … gay people can’t be butch?

…talk about sterotyping

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Latitude
September 13, 2019 2:13 pm

What about the other 13590972435 sexes? or are you being exclusionary?

Gerald Machnee
September 13, 2019 8:00 am

McKenna sais she has no use for “climate deniers”. Yet she lies when she said she tries to engage. She never replied or acknowledged my letter to her. It is likely the flunkies filtered it out before she could read it. I got my MP to read it after I spoke to him and sent it to a more private e-mail.

Keen Observer
September 13, 2019 8:00 am

I love how self-proclaimed experts who’ve never met me, let alone spoken to me in any medium, can intuit my motivations for anything that I do. Perhaps all women truly do think that men can read their minds, because they seem to act like they can read ours.

Recycling programs, as instituted in the current urban world, are laughably dumb and were never a good idea. (Coincidentally, or not, so are Climate Barbie and many of her Cabinet-mates, and especially her nominal boss.) The only way plastic store bags have ever been single-use for me is when they’re made so poorly, that they get holes in them before I get home. Safeway in Canada is particularly bad for this, to the point that they just automatically double-bag almost everything anyway (helpful, but not eco-logical). And as I’ve stated to others, the best way to designate almost any product as “crap” is to use the prefix “Eco-“.

If Climate Barbie is so triggered by someone shouting expletives at her and calling her names that she thinks she needs personal security, perhaps she should withdraw her election candidacy and find a safe space somewhere. No one will miss her vapid, empty-headed commentary on matters about which she has no knowledge or expertise. Greta, on the other hand, is more tragedy than farce, and it should be stopped, instead of being enabled by all and sundry in the media and elsewhere.

Stewart Pid
Reply to  Keen Observer
September 13, 2019 8:14 am

Climate Barbie is an expert on the environment courtesy of her degree in French Literature and International Relationships.
I love these climate experts who avoided all science classes in high school and university because the sciences are hard.

Keen Observer
Reply to  Stewart Pid
September 13, 2019 10:24 am

“Are you an atmospheric physicist?”
“No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.”

I also had the pleasure awhile back of running off our local Liberal incumbent when he came around electioneering long before it was called. He didn’t like being challenged about CO2 not being “carbon pollution”, the pipeline and other talking points, or the bribery payout to the Canadian media. That was actually the one that sent him scurrying. He realised his talking points weren’t gonna work. His reaction actually did more damage than he thinks: he kind of knows my wife socially through a mutual organisation of theirs, and she was stunned he turned tail so rudely. Even having grown up under a literal one-party system, she thought that was beyond the pale. She does not like him any more (I didn’t think he was likable to begin with).

Bryan A
Reply to  Keen Observer
September 13, 2019 12:44 pm


Reply to  Keen Observer
September 13, 2019 8:24 am

Ah, those thin plastic grocery store shopping bags: I use mine as a means of disposing of used cat litter from the catboxes. Does two things: recycles something that is otherwise useless, and contains cat litter quite nicely so that it can be transported safely to the nearest garbage hill, and the wet contents that the cat leaves behind will degrade into – guess what???? METHANE!!!!!

Keen Observer
Reply to  Sara
September 13, 2019 10:27 am

That was one of my usages for them. When they didn’t charge for them, I also used them generally as garbage bags or short-term carry bags for various things. Now, I don’t so much, but they still get used that way from time to time, especially in the car.

There were always solutions available for plastic: the ones they came up were just horribly conceived.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Sara
September 13, 2019 3:49 pm

Yes. Plastic grocery bags. Banned in my hometown after local schools decided to encourage their students to become environmentally active and ‘participate in the law-making process’ – basically letting children write legislation – and of course, hiding the agenda behind human shields, who we just CAN’T criticize because it would be mean.

I’m sure they all love Greta.

Steve Oregon
September 13, 2019 8:03 am

Add that to the list of skeptic’s defects?
Climate change critics, skeptics, must have things wrong with them.
Otherwise they would’t be so critical of science, smarty pants people.

September 13, 2019 8:04 am

Stop criticizing her. Modern day Nongqawuse will lead the world to a brighter future.

September 13, 2019 8:06 am

Saying masculitity is “toxic” is ad Hominem.
What to expect from a movement that wants to reduce population by 5 billion – Ad Hominens?

September 13, 2019 8:15 am

I hope this election in Oct…she is voted out and off the island too!

Ed Zuiderwijk
September 13, 2019 8:20 am

Ask an African woman in a country with at best 3 hours of electricity per day whether she sees Greta as a ‘green Messiah’ and she will tell you that she sees a spoilt, well-fed, well-off white woman who tells the poorest of poor people that there is a standard of living they are not allowed to aspire to. Just like in good old colonial days, actually.

Adam Gallon
September 13, 2019 8:26 am

A politician gets abuse in public?
Part of the job.

September 13, 2019 8:30 am

“I’m personally disgusted at efforts by climate activists to shut down criticism by accusing their critics of being racists or misogynists. ”

Me too, but they have no choice, as the truth isn’t on their side. It’s a pox on science and humanity that the rest of the world can’t see through these obvious attempts at deflection and projection.

Steve Oregon
September 13, 2019 8:31 am

The notion that young Greta has some sort of acquired or gifted knowledge behind her demands for action is just plain stupid.
It’s the kind of empty gibberish so prevalent with all things progressive.

Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 8:37 am

There is no excuse for criticising the girl.

Stick to the points she raises and solutions she promotes. There is no reason she cannot be your friend and co-worker, while disagreeing profoundly about the problem definition and reasonable solutions.

Learn to consult properly without becoming a back-biting gossip.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 11:08 am

The points she raises are very often that she is a child and so we must do as she says because the future is hers and not ours.
If she and her communist ilk ever get the future they want for us all, people will sit around wondering how the Hell it was allowed to happen.
People with evil plans want to be left alone.
We should not give them their wish.
They use her exactly because they know many people will react the way you do.
Her message is toxic waste, and a large part of it is based on exactly who she is.
And no…no one who wants to panic the world and scare the bejeebers out of small children, promising them they live on a doomed planet, can be my friend.
And I would not work anyplace that employed such scoundrels.
Scoundrel? Sounds harsh?
One of her very loud messages is to tell other kids it is 100% pointless for them to go to school.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 11:30 am

Leave the kid alone, right.
How about going after the much older girls, like Ms Getty, who pledged $600,000 to the Extinction Rebellion? Or Rory Kennedy, the daughter of Robert Kennedy, along with the “philanthropist” Trevor Neilson?
Let’s see how brave the “masculines” really are!
Follow the money trail, guys!

September 13, 2019 8:38 am

“I’m personally disgusted at efforts by climate activists to shut down criticism by accusing their critics of being racists or misogynists.”

Meh. This kind of thing is par for the course for the leftists. If you espouse anything thought outside the position they are promoting you are denigrated and dehumanized. The leftist position is; everything within the message, nothing outside the message, nothing against the message.

CD in Wisconsin
September 13, 2019 8:39 am

The people behind “The Conversation” and the authors of this piece may be unaware of the fact that misogyny has an opposite known as misandry — the fear and hatred of men.

In this day and age of leftism, it becomes all too easy for women (especially feminist women in academia) to go on the attack against men and masculinity without caring (or realizing?) that misogyny has an opposite. I will suggest here that this “toxic masculinity” idea has been created largely as a political excuse for left wing females to rub men’s gender in their own faces in the hopes that their own sexism will not be exposed. Misandrism (misandryism?) is legitimized by masking or reformulating it as “toxic masculinity’ as it becomes a political tool against those of the male gender who do not toe the correct party line on an issue of the day, including climate change. Misandrism by any other name is still misandrism.

That sexism (like racism) is a two-way street seems to be lost among those who are so wrapped up in their own self-righteousness that they are blind to the fact of it. We have a mainstream media today which is all too obsessed with the idea that the street goes only in one direction. Is it okay for women to hate men and blacks to hate whites? It would appear so.

Having said all of this though, I think we should remind ourselves here that the REAL problem is not Greta’s position on climate change, but that of the adults behind her. The adults hiding behind her who do not come forward are demonstrating that Greta is just a tool to appeal to the emotions of the scientifically illiterate on the subject of climate. Minors should not be the tools for any adults to abuse for such a purpose.

The use of misandrism (a.k.a. toxic masculinity) in the climate wars (among other things) seems to have been legitimized as a means to an end in academia. As such, women become easily manipulated into believing that the so-called “climate crisis” actually exists.

Regarding toxic masculinity, have any feminist activists ever heard of a male hormone called testosterone? Have they read about or studied how it affects male behavior?

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
September 13, 2019 9:07 am

CD in W

Thanks for your observations and correction of my misuse of “misanthropy” above. I should have used misandry. It is so rarely used that I remembered the wrong word.

You are correct that misandry is common in complaints about toxic masculinity. The result is people tune out. Attention spans are short so mischaracterizing people and problems means the contribution is skipped.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
September 13, 2019 10:03 am

Women also have testosterone, as men also have estrogen. Both hormones are necessary for normal function. Many years ago, an old boyfriend did’n just jump for safety when a car climbed the curb – he threw me to the safety of the adjacent flower bed. That behaviour is masculinity, and it does not necessarly correlate with being a great muscle bound lump.

September 13, 2019 8:54 am

You only have to look at Greta’s parents and the timing of their book release, and Greta’s ‘strike’ and being pushed into the public eye to realise that it’s all a carefully orchestrated PR job.
The catch is that the ‘front girl’ is triply protected from criticism on account of being female, a child, and having mental health problems.
Criticise a white woman promoting some insane policy – MISOGYNIST!
Criticise a dark-skinned man promoting same – RACIST!
etc. ad nauseam.
The more ‘protected’ categories the better the insulation.
There is abuse going on with respect to Greta, child abuse, by her parents, aided by the sycophantic media and virtue signalling politicos.
The ‘Greta’ spectacle is bad enough, but the general climate change/crisis/catastrophe/emergency frenzy in the media has got me so angry I am finding it harder to keep my mouth shut these days.
I’m off to the pub to cheer myself up.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  sonofametman
September 13, 2019 2:29 pm

I love the fact that her claim to fame is skipping school and encouraging others to do the same.

She’s only protected if you think she is.

While she pretends to be an adult, you are free to treat her as an adult.
While she puts herself in the public discourse, she should be asked the hard questions.
While she thinks she’s got the answers to all the world’s problems, she needs to explain herself more fully.

There is no sexuality, age, injury, education or mental issues that should protect someone who wants to force the world to transition into their idea of utopia. They need to be smacked-down as often as possible, lest they try to do their best to make it all happen.

September 13, 2019 8:55 am

“Research shows that climate deniers are more likely to adhere to older forms of industrial modern masculinity that helped to push society towards “industrialization, mechanism and capitalism.”

The journal article states “We contend that climate sceptics in Sweden can be understood as being intertwined with a masculinity of industrial modernity that is on decline.”

Somehow this morphs into “Research shows”. These gender studies graduates are just too full of themselves.

September 13, 2019 8:59 am

The “study”cited in in the journal “NORMA — International Journal for Masculinity Studies” . It apparently doesn’t allow anything except anti-male findings…..

Yet another nonsense “studies” field.

Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2019 9:02 am

The toxicity is all them. Classic projection.

Tom Crozier
September 13, 2019 9:41 am

Com play with us Danny, for ever, and ever, and ever….

September 13, 2019 9:43 am

Greta is useful especially for the message her visage projects of purity of purpose and strength of will. Because her demeanor never changes she never appears to waver in her commitment and zeal. This type of appearance is iconographic in art and movies.
One early example from Archaic Greece is the female statues termed ‘kore’ (singular) and ‘korai’ (plural).

Note that the expression of the face of a kore statue does not convey emotion. The adoption by propagandists of Greta as the face of the faction supporting CAGW seems very deliberate. How can you argue (persuade) with that person? Her mind is made up.

Brian Valentine
Reply to  Clint
September 13, 2019 12:58 pm

She doesn’t have a mind to change

Tom Crozier
September 13, 2019 9:44 am

Come play with us Danny, for ever, and ever, and ever….

Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2019 10:55 am

She and her fellow climate morons are now demonstrating how moronic they are, in front of the White House, chanting ““No more coal, no more oil, keep your carbon in the soil”
More .
Next Friday the climate morons are striking globally. Fun.

September 13, 2019 11:21 am

Why so Pro-Choice? No, the First Amendment is not sex or gender selective.

Reply to  n.n
September 13, 2019 2:13 pm

Your first attempt at trolling ?

Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 13, 2019 4:50 pm

Which part? The first: Pro-Choice quasi-religion (“ethics”), selective, opportunistic, politically congruent? The second: First Amendment, a basket of civil rights weaponized by social justice adventurists. Or, the last: sex and gender, which has suffered a progressive conflation since it became politically congruent… convenient? That said, I strive to ignore the political myths, the sociopolitical constructs, the bullies, and return to principles, observable, reproducible, internally, externally, and mutually consistent.

Reply to  n.n
September 13, 2019 5:31 pm

Nice job.
You left 5-6 fires burning in your wake.

Rudolf Huber
September 13, 2019 12:13 pm

That’s a kid. To be treated with some care. And ad hominem attacks deserve harsh consequences. We are no animals and if we behave as such we should not be surprised to be treated in kind. That being said, Greta has put herself into the harsh wind – she wanted that. Criticizing her for what she says and does must be allowed, even harsh criticism. If she is wrong, it must be OK to say so. If she spouts opinions and cannot back them up, it must be OK to point that out. If she does things that fly in the face of protecting the climate for media exposure, she must deal with the calling out. She is not an innocent little girl anymore – she is a public persona by her own choice. Now she must deal with the backlash. Don’t like that? Tough …

September 13, 2019 12:14 pm

“…clearly mentally unstable. Not only autistic, but obsessive-compulsive, eating disorder, depression and lethargy, and she lives in a constant state of fear.”

I’m not sure about the mentally unstable part (I expect she is mostly emotionally unstable), but the rest of Bernier’s quote is arguably true. However, the authoritarian climate activists who hide behind her youth and naivety don’t want to argue with the opposition, they want to silence them.

September 13, 2019 12:29 pm

Greta Thunberg is a toxic teenager! They ought to start there!

michael hart
September 13, 2019 12:34 pm

“Research shows that climate deniers are more likely to adhere to older forms of industrial modern masculinity that helped to push society towards “industrialization, mechanism and capitalism.”

lol. If I remember correctly, didn’t Camille Paglia herself say some years ago that if it wasn’t for men, humans would still be living hungrily in cold caves?

A more recent retort to this sort of argument runs thus: “Look around where you sit in the modern comforts of a building in today’s world. Every brick in the wall you see is there because a man put it there. It’s much nicer to be inside that wall than on the outside.”

Brian Valentine
September 13, 2019 12:49 pm

No sympathy. If they don’t like the heat generated from cooking up and trying to serve some really awful ideas that do nothing but cause misery – they can get out of the kitchen

Rod Evans
September 13, 2019 1:10 pm

Are we now being criticised for being masculine? The conflation of toxicity and masculinity is about as ridiculous as it gets. Could someone tell us what the opposite of misogyny is? We all know the word for senseless dislike of females.
What is the senseless dislike of males? I am thinking it is misandry. Clearly, that is increasingly what we are seeing being expressed by the Green socialists.

September 13, 2019 1:39 pm

I do not support whoever allegedly yelled “f-k you climate barbie”

I’d say the “allegedly” is the key word in that sentence. Based on the veracity of claims of abuse by notable people over the past few decades, I’d be willing to bet money that incident never happened.

Those types of claims are just another way to dehumanize their enemy.

September 13, 2019 2:28 pm

Perhaps female green leaders represent “fetid femininity”.

Reply to  TedM
September 15, 2019 3:33 am

“Fetid feminism” perhaps. There is still some femininity around; a totally different critter.

Clarky of Oz
September 13, 2019 2:48 pm

I don’t approve of bad language being used against anybody including women and children but these people must realise they are playing politics. Politics on the biggest scale imaginable. Politics is a dirty business at the best of times.

We have a saying here. “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen”

September 13, 2019 3:38 pm

Now march through east DC….at night….on a Friday night or Sunday night. They train combat medicine in those ERs from all the gunshot wounds and of course the guns did it.

Robert of Ottawa
September 13, 2019 4:16 pm

Invasion of the mind=Snatchers/

Gunga Din
September 13, 2019 4:19 pm

I’m personally disgusted at efforts by climate activists to shut down criticism by accusing their critics of being racists or misogynists.

That’s common practice. Most of the “useful idiots” are motivated by emotion, not reason. So slap an emotional label on the those who disagree with what is being promated. (Homophobic, Islamophobic, Zeno-phobic, etc.)
Accuse THEM of being emotionally motivated.

September 13, 2019 4:51 pm

A messiah, perhaps. A Profit, certainly. The girl who would be a mortal goddess.

September 13, 2019 5:05 pm

To paraphrase from “The Social Network”, You think people criticize you because you are a female. No, people criticize you because your ideas don’t add up.

September 13, 2019 7:53 pm

“These versions of heterosexual masculinity appear to be predicated upon the domination and exploitation, rather than the preservation, of the environment.

I’m personally disgusted at efforts by climate activists to shut down criticism by accusing their critics of being racists or misogynists.”

Also known as flailing, wildly flailing without traction.

September 13, 2019 8:26 pm

I saw Greta on TV and she is just another version of the brainwashed supposedly “woke” ingenue. In fact, she looked like a stereotypical poster child of a multi-million dollar propaganda campaign by nefarious Leftwing Nazis. That’s it in a nutshell.

Mike Ozanne
September 13, 2019 8:53 pm

“industrial modern masculinity that helped to push society towards “industrialization, mechanism and capitalism”

the masculinity that didn’t fancy dying of diptheria, polio, typhus, cholera, smallpox, hypothermia, starvation; being crippled by rickets, suffering in poverty and ignorance, being a slave to subsistence agriculture or serfdom… what a bunch of bastards ehh

September 14, 2019 3:27 am

“50 Shades of Toxic Masculinity” – The Revelation of Saint Greta the Divine

September 14, 2019 4:22 am

There are two things Greta can’t avoid:

1 – she is nearing physical adulthood and will no longer be a “child”

2 – not everyone thinks she’s as wonderful as she’s been told she is

She’s just a source of money and attention for politicians to exploit. The sideshow will be over at some point, and it will be ‘who is this Greta you keep talking about?’ She really is a one-trick pony. Once the trick is played, she has nothing.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Sara
September 14, 2019 2:09 pm

A retarded child, everyone has mercy for. A retarded adult, none has cares about.

She’s got a hard future coming her way, and I don’t think she’s prepared for it at all.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
September 15, 2019 3:30 pm

I agree.
Years pass quickly, and at her age a handful of years pass and she is fully an adult plus a couple.
And nothing will change.
The climate crisis is a fake made-up fantasy non-event.
The hoped for end of fossil fuels will never happen, period*.
If she is actually belaboring under the delusion that some little kid is gonna cause the world to spontaneously deindustrialize because she is afraid, because her teacher told her the end of the world is coming because the weather is gonna change and thus sterilize the Earth, then for many reasons she has some very important lessons ahead. And not maybe.
Her mentality is no different from someone who reads a story about a crime, hears that a suspect has been arrested, and makes up their mind about every detail of the case and the suspect’s guilt or innocence, and will hear no more about it.
IOW…it is the state of mind seen in lynch mobs, or in any of the other instances where people with scant information (and all of it second hand opinions fed to them by someone else) nonetheless decide they know all they need to and so close their minds up tight.
This morning I was reading about some celebrity moron who proclaimed that Greta IS Jesus Christ himself. This celebrity, who is famous for being a jackass, goes on to cast widespread scorn and aspersions on everyone and anyone who has failed to see this obvious truth.
We are beyond the looking glass at this point, inhabiting a bizarro fantasy land where ignorant fools in the eyeballs biz give credence to the scientific opinions of professional dumbasses when they proclaim some silly mixed up ignorant child to be God!
And this is international news carried around the world by major wire services and networks and print media.
No one is pretending Greta has any specific knowledge, least of all Greta.
No one thinks Sarah Silverman has some gifted theological insight, and in fact she is an avowed atheist.
Everyone knows “journalists” are scientifically illiterate, and yet they all pretend to have prescient scientific insight.

*For proof of this, look at the headline of the financial news pages this evening.
Oil markets will be opening up soon, and the price will be jumping somewhere between 3 and 10% this evening due to the attack on the Saudi processing facility this weekend. So reliant is the world on all fossil fuels, that any interruption in supplies of even a few percent of world capacity has immediate and costly ripples throughout global financial markets and the entire global economy, perhaps for years to come.

Something like this is as likely to lead to a widening shooting war as any news I have seen in recent years.

Superpowers will go to war over disruptions in energy supplies…but yeah…a little girl saying “please panic, I ascared” will make everyone reassess their desire to stay supplied with the substances responsible for us all having food, heat, light, transportation, a job, our health, and pretty much everything else that has led us from a long history of fighting for survival in a dangerous and brutal world filled with filth and abject misery, to a prosperous and safe industrialized world.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 15, 2019 3:45 pm

Well, markets just opened and it is more like 10-15%.
Trump has authorized a release from the strategic petroleum reserve, which I think is the first of these in many years.
Stock markets are shaping up to open sharply lower on fears of prices rising enough to slow the world’s economies.
All this from ten little drones.

September 14, 2019 8:22 am

Up here in Saskatchewan we call Greta “the magical retard.” And we never apologize for it.

Ulric Lyons
September 14, 2019 1:23 pm

I think that Greta has too much masculinity, she has all the physical symptoms of too much testosterone.

Doug Coombes
September 14, 2019 5:42 pm

There is something truly wrong with anyone who attacks a child that only wants a future.

Real men protect children and make sure they have the best future possible. They don’t attack and threaten them and deny them any chance of a future at all.

I’m not sure what climate change deniers are but it certainly isn’t real men.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Doug Coombes
September 15, 2019 3:40 pm

I am not sure who you are Doug, but I know that the world we live in has advanced to give us long and prosperous lives in spite of people like you.
There is something truly demented about an adult who worships the inane sputtering of a confused and ignorant child.

Doug Coombes
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 15, 2019 8:37 pm

What an ironic statement considering the close ties between the oil and gas sector and evangelicals. You pretty much treat oil and gas on the same level as god and vilify anyone who threatens your “god” as apostates.

There is something truly disgusting about the same group of almost entirely men who have been lying about an existential threat for decades despite the overwhelming science against them, now going after a 16 year old girl who only wants a future.

Dress it up in an cynical terms you want, the optics of grown man attacking a 16 year old girl is perverse.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Doug Coombes
September 16, 2019 4:58 am

You are no better than the Palestinians who aim missiles at Israel from the roofs of schools and children’s hospitals.
Your usage of a child as a shield for your hatred is very telling.

Beyond that, your delusional ranting says far more about who you are than anything I could say.
So thanks for making it clear.

September 15, 2019 3:28 am

Good heavens! These people are so obsessed with sex and sexuality that they can’t even talk about “climate change” without dragging that improbability into it.
If the truth is somehow toxic masculinity, then I’ll take that in preference to the sex/gender obsessed every time.

Besides, what about we thinking (non-neo-feminist non-transgender or any other variant) women who aren’t “true believers” in the scam? We’re hardly toxically masculine. This really is all rather intriguing.

Since when did the “Green New Deal” become the “New Green Deal”? Could it possibly have something to do with it being satirised as the “Teen Nude Eel”? I suppose we could always call it the “Nu Greened Eel” instead. Either way, the whole idea needs to be ridiculed – loudly and often.

Doug Coombes
September 15, 2019 2:19 pm

“Climate Messiah”?

How totally lacking in empathy do you have to be to show such utter contempt for a child?

Greta Thundberg didn’t create the climate change catastrophe, she just paid attention to the vast amount of science that indicates what a threat it is. And it had a profound effect on a child with autism.

This entire site is a prime example of toxic behavior. But I wouldn’t refer to any of you here as masculine in the slightest.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Doug Coombes
September 15, 2019 3:37 pm

She is an ignorant child who knows nothing.
The contempt is for what she says, not for her.
You Doug, on the other hand, are apparently an adult, and so your doltish lunacy and doomsday hallucinations are indeed worthy of utter contempt.
If you want to know what toxic behavior and attitudes look like, find a mirror.

Doug Coombes
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 15, 2019 5:08 pm

She is an intelligent child who has paid attention to the facts.

What do you call grown men who have spent decades deny research they themselves have done. On an existential issue.

There is no question the Earth is rapidly warming and that the consequences which are already catastrophic are going to become much more so. mostly due to the massive use of fossil fuels which now dwarf nature emissions of CO2.

And now you’re attacking children because they don’t want to die early deaths due to your total inhumanity and hubris. It’s not just hate for women that is behind the vicious attacks on Greta Thunberg and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez by climate change deniers such as yourself, it’s hatred for life itself on Earth.

What are the chances your’re going to care about a 16 year old girl when you obviously don’t care if you take out most of the biosphere.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Doug Coombes
September 15, 2019 8:24 pm

I have good news and bad news, Doug:
The good news is, no one is “taking out the biosphere”.
That is a psychotic delusion, invented by your unwell mind.
The bad news is, you are unwell, suffering from severe psychotic delusions.
But if there was a climate catastrophe, all of your finger pointing and virtue signalling does not change the fact that you are as responsible as anyone. Neither you nor any of your psychotic ilk are living in mud huts. Your impact on the planet is just as large as the people you hallucinate are killing the planet.
And no one here is attacking anyone. This is an internet discussion, nothing more.
But people who travel around the globe spreading hateful propaganda are in fact engaging in a willful effort to harm others. And you are right there with them, on the attack against humanity itself. That is the only inhumanity in evidence, perpetrated by you and the sadistic haters you identify with.
Your preposterous imaginings and hateful lies are transparently obvious to sane people.

Doug Coombes
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 15, 2019 9:52 pm

Insect populations are plummeting.

Avian species are in collapse.

Half the great Barrier Reef system died in two years and most coral reef ecosystems will be gone by mid century.

The oceans themselves are dying, the source of most free oxygen all aerobic species need and home to 95% of species on Earth.

And the rapid migration of isotherms poleward due to climate change threatening many more species.

How is that not taking out the biosphere, we’re talking years not decades and the impacts of climate change alone are catastrophic as we are seeing with the massive coral bleaching and death of 50% of one of the richest biological systems on the planet in two years. 25% of marine species depend on coral reefs for their existence.

As for the rest of your post, it is science I’m presenting, you’re here defending attacking a young girl because she wants a future based on your unsupported opinions.

I’m confident who the deranged one is here.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 16, 2019 7:52 pm

“As for the rest of your post, it is science I’m presenting, you’re here defending attacking a young girl because she wants a future based on your unsupported opinions.”
What a laugh.
You started out talking about her, and ended up talking about her, and I only mentioned her in passing as a response to you.
You said nothing about any science. Exxon Knew is not science, it is discredited nonsense.
Posting about volcanoes has nothing to do with the issues at hand. Hardly anyone disputes that burning FF puts CO2 back into our starving biosphere.
Everything you have posted is either an ad hominem attack, or fake news.
Great Barrier Reef 50% dead? Fake News. D you ever read news?
Bleaching caused by climate change? Fake News. It was caused by an el nino and low water level. The same corals live in far warmer water north of Australia.
You are a fake news ignoramus.
No one here is susceptible to your BS.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
September 16, 2019 7:55 pm

As for insects and birds, are you in favor of wind turbines?
How do you feel about nuclear?
Your answer to those two questions reveals how much you care about birds and insects, and how much you care about CO2.

September 15, 2019 9:10 pm

Let the kid enjoy her childhood for goodness sake . According to the UN , AOC and a bunch of con-artists ‘
there is really only 11 years left .
Kind of like the ice free arctic claims of a failed politician , tobacco farmer with a heritage of slave ownership .

Isn’t it time the climate fear industry stopped the child abuse ?

September 16, 2019 7:53 am

What a toxic thread.
Unbelievable that watts would allow such postings on his “scientific ” blog

What is it with Thunberg that causes the loathsome slime people to emerge from their dens. She is a young adult, she fears for her future and she is trying to change things.

Why do you not post proofs that the next 100 years will be wonderful.

Doug Coombes thanks for talking some sense

Joel Snider
Reply to  ghalfrunt
September 16, 2019 8:47 am

‘Loathsome slime’. Yeah, right.

You’ve got a human shield being pushed to destroy our way of life – clearly as she’s been taught.
I guess in your world, that merits no pushback.

These people count on people like you.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  ghalfrunt
September 16, 2019 8:03 pm

The next 100 years will be awful if the communism she supports and advocates for is given all the power that is sought.
And no amount of proofs about anything that contradicts a person’s religion will ever change their mind.
Besides, do you think she is looking to be persuaded?
She has been quoted as saying, as part of her prepared remarks, that she does not want anyone’s hope.
She wants everyone to panic. She wants everyone to feel the fear she feels every day. She tells kids it is pointless to go to school because there is no future.
Unless we “leave all fossil fuels in the ground, starting immediately”.
If you think Doug Coombes is talking sense, you just destroyed any shred of credibility you might have had.
Coombes is a doomsday cultist.
Are you?

September 16, 2019 10:05 am

What if you disagree with her and are female?

Joel Snider
Reply to  JS
September 16, 2019 3:25 pm

Well, based on ghalfrunt’s post above, that just makes you generically ‘loathsome slime’.

September 16, 2019 8:07 pm

My comment was not with regard to all here just to the slime that posts comments like:

Up here in Saskatchewan we call Greta “the magical retard.” And we never apologize for it.
I think that Greta has too much masculinity, she has all the physical symptoms of too much testosterone.
Greta Thunberg is a toxic teenager! They ought to start there!
A retarded child being the spokesperson for the increasingly insane Left is utterly appropriate
if you look closely at her right braid, you can see an image of mohammed.
Insanity is as insanity does…..
that is not on to hope she dies.
Greta is the perfect example of child abuse. Very sad
Pray for hurricanes, or an iceberg…..
Someone with serious mental and associated health issues embarking on a two week voyage in a special purpose built racing yacht to cross the Atlantic?
She is a brain-washed child – there ought to be laws about abusing children that way.
etc. etc.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  ghalfrunt
September 17, 2019 8:18 am

All I can say is that perhaps it is best to post criticisms directed at certain people who make such remarks, rather than by a dismissive comment at the end of the thread.
I agree that a few have made some awful comments, but most here have simply pushed back against what her message is, and I think most here feel it is her parents and handlers who are really to blame.
Young people with irrational fears need to be educated and taught how to deal with their fears, and to understand the reasons they feel afraid.

As near as I can tell, and I have tried very hard to understand precisely why some people think there is an actual ongoing emergency, is that people are being taught that every adverse weather event is an avoidable consequence of burning fossil fuels.
There seems to be no awareness of how much safer we all are now than ever in human history, and that by any OBJECTIVE reckoning, the world is becoming a better place to live, we have more reason for and ability to enjoy life than ever, and are almost guaranteed to have more life than was ever possible for the average human even a handful of decades ago, let alone a hundred years ago.

Encouraging someone with such fears is incredibly irresponsible, IMO.
Reinforcing such fears and using them for political advantage (and this is political, not scientific) is arguably outright child abuse.

I know a few things about what causes people to harm themselves, to commit suicide, to fall into depression, to turn to drug abuse, and to die from it.
Tens of thousands of more young people are dying now from such causes than even a decade ago, but the number who are so suffering and not dying is many times higher.
It is impossible to believe that being told every single day from all sides that we live on a poisoned planet and are doomed, does not have a terrible and tragic consequence for a huge number of young people, who, like every young person, do not have a fully formed mind, have no larger perspective or contrary experience to draw on, and are at a stage of life that is difficult for many of them when everything is cheerful and happy all around them.

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