Tufts Professor: If China Stops Building Lots of Coal Plants they will be a Climate Leader

Smog hangs over a construction site in Weifang city, Shandong province, Oct 16. 2015. Air quality went down in many parts of China since Oct 15 and most cities are shrounded by haze. [Photo/IC]

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

All that potential to embarrass the USA not being realised…

China is positioned to lead on climate change as the US rolls back its policies
September 12, 2019 9.05pm AEST

Kelly Sims Gallagher Professor of Energy and Environmental Policy and Director, Center for International Environment and Resource Policy at The Fletcher School, Tufts University

Fang ZhangChina Research Coordinator and Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Tufts University

We study many aspects of China’s energy and climate policy, including industrial energy efficiency and reforestration. Our analysis indicates that if China fully executes existing policies and finishes reforming its electric power sector into a market-based system, its carbon dioxide emissions are likely to peak well before its 2030 target.

China’s climate portfolio
Over the last decade China has positioned itself as a global leader on climate action through aggressive investments and a bold mix of climate, renewable energy, energy efficiency and economic policies. As one of us (Kelly Sims Gallagher) documents in the recent book “Titans of the Climate,” China has implemented more than 100 policies related to lowering its energy use and greenhouse gas emissions. 

China has added vast wind and solar installations to its grid and developed large domestic industries to manufacture solar panels, batteries and electric vehicles. In late 2017 it launched a national emissions trading system, which creates a market for buying and selling carbon dioxide emissions allowances. This was a profoundly symbolic step, given that the United States still has not adopted a national market-based climate policy.

Even as China made big investments in wind and solar power in recent years, it also kept building coal plants. Power sector reform will help reduce the resulting overcapacity by stopping planned additions and encouraging market competition.

But success is not guaranteed. The affected companies are giant state-owned enterprises. There is political resistance from owners of existing coal-fired power plants and from provinces that produce and use a lot of coal. The current U.S.-China trade war is slowing China’s economic growth and spurring rising concerns about employment, which could further complicate the reform process.

Read more: https://theconversation.com/china-is-positioned-to-lead-on-climate-change-as-the-us-rolls-back-its-policies-114897 

The professor leaves out a few details, like China’s commitment to massively increase their already colossal coal fleet, and their tendency to classify synthetic gas made from coal as climate friendly gas projects.

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markl
September 12, 2019 10:13 pm

And if pigs had wings. “China has positioned itself as a global leader on climate action…”? You have to be kidding.

brians356
Reply to  markl
September 13, 2019 12:20 am

That thick yellow “smog” hanging over Weifang City is almost certainly dust blown in from the Gobi Desert.

Scissor
Reply to  brians356
September 13, 2019 5:40 am

That’s possible, but to me, having been to several areas of China many times it looks just like the air that surrounds their coal fired power plants. From the ground and the air, there is no mistaking their lack of or use of emission controls.

BC
Reply to  brians356
September 14, 2019 3:40 am

Maybe those who claim people can see carbon dioxide are mistaking soot (particulate matter) for an invisible trace gas.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/02/quote-of-the-week-greta-thunberg-claims-to-be-able-to-see-carbon-dioxide-in-the-air/

brians356
Reply to  markl
September 13, 2019 12:23 am

If we had some ham, we could make ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  brians356
September 13, 2019 6:40 am

Thank you for the best laugh of the morning!

Ken
Reply to  brians356
September 13, 2019 8:00 am

… if we had a frying pan.

Komrade KUma
Reply to  markl
September 13, 2019 1:06 am

But China is now positioned to have those wings retrofitted markl. I imagine the wings are in the last stages of design and will be fitted by re-educated Uigars as proof of the superiority of Chinese communism over western liberal democracy…….

Meanwhile the virtues of pig wings are being praised by the fellow travellers at Tuft University.

Ben of Houston
Reply to  markl
September 13, 2019 8:14 am

If things were completely different they would be completely different.
Perhaps we should nominate the professor for the captain of the tautology club.

Jeff Mitchell
Reply to  markl
September 13, 2019 9:02 am

Pigs with wings was my first thought too.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  markl
September 15, 2019 7:01 pm

“brians356 September 13, 2019 at 12:20 am

That thick yellow “smog” hanging over Weifang City is almost certainly dust blown in from the Gobi Desert.”
________________________________________

But 1st of all from taklamakan / no return:

https://www.google.com/search?q=taklamakan+no+return&oq=taklamakan+no+return+&aqs=chrome.

Peter
September 12, 2019 10:17 pm

Why is it that China, the world’s biggest emitter and rising, is always sanctified by the left, whereas the US, whose emissions are half those of China and falling , is demonised?

I think it’s a case of never let reality interfere with your perceptions.

Editor
Reply to  Peter
September 13, 2019 12:18 am

And maybe this – “if China fully executes existing policies and finishes reforming its electric power sector into a market-based system, its carbon dioxide emissions are likely to peak well before its 2030 target” – isn’t quite as “good” as they think. Maybe it means that China is increasing CO2 emissions so much faster than expected they will reach their high emissions target earlier.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mike Jonas
September 13, 2019 5:20 am

“if China fully executes existing policies and finishes reforming its electric power sector into a market-based system, its carbon dioxide emissions are likely to peak well before its 2030 target”

I assume this analysis doesn’t include the coal-fired powerplants China is building all over the world. Shouldn’t those be included in the total for the CO2 China is producing?

As far as I know, Chna doesn’t have any emission goals. My understanding is they can increase their CO2 output without restrictions until 2030, and then they will reassess their position at that time.

Adam
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 13, 2019 7:04 am

Yeah, China is the white hat! Even the most obtuse or willfully-blind leftist knows that China is wearing a soot-stained black hat.

BTW: Tufts hosts a Confucius Institute, which is essentially a Chinese Government center of control on campus. So, Tufts, just STFU!

Lee L
Reply to  Mike Jonas
September 13, 2019 9:04 am

As if you could believe ANYTHING the CCP releases in the way of data about ANYTHING.

griff
Reply to  Peter
September 13, 2019 12:23 am

Because the USA is the largest emitter without a plan to actually do something and is actively in denial of the problem.

If you accept the science, then the USA is actually the biggest problem and also has the biggest potential for remediative action.

Besides which there is also a technological and infrastructure revolution going on out there, which the US is ignoring. It is sad to see it falling behind, like the fading Spanish empire of the 19th century

Editor
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 1:44 am

China is the largest emitter, but admittedly they do have a plan.

They will continue to increase emissions until their population begins to decrease.

Great plan.

Adam
Reply to  Les Johnson
September 13, 2019 8:36 am

And, they will build scores of coal-fired plants around the world, and then disclaim responsibility. That’s the plan.

Has anyone looked into Chinese funding here in the US. Remember, Saudis/Russia funded anti-fracking “movement”.

Bryan A
Reply to  Adam
September 14, 2019 8:21 am

China has grown their emissions from 1/4 of total global output to almost 1/3 of total global output. That’s right Griff, one out of every three human released CO2 molecules is sourced from China.

kwinterkorn
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 3:03 am

Who thinks that the mandarins running the Chinese Communist Party actually believe in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming? They are hard headed ruthless types with no tolerance for soft-headed BS. They are watching the ongoing self-destruction of the EU with its abandonment of nuclear, coal, and gas-derived energy. They watch Obama buy seaside property and think, “See, even Obama isn’t worried.”

They see the luke-warming of the Earth over the last centuries since the Little Ice Age and think, “Why should we compromise China?”

I do believe that over time the Chinese will address dirty air and dirty water as the US and Europe did in the 1970’s-1980’s. They no doubt like to breathe good air. But Chinese power comes first.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  kwinterkorn
September 13, 2019 5:40 am

“They see the luke-warming of the Earth over the last centuries since the Little Ice Age and think, “Why should we compromise China?”

Exactly what the Chinese leadership is thinking.

A group of Chinese scientists recently came out and said that a Tmax temperature chart of China shows that China’s climate was just as warm in the recent past as it is today, which means CO2 warming is negligible. This article was published on WUWT recently.

So, no, I don’t think China’s leaders believe CO2 is a problem for the Earth’s atmosphere. They are just sitting back and letting the West self-destruct over this unproven CO2 speculation.

The Chinese even managed to make it look like they are onboard with the CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming) agenda, by signing on to the Paris Climate Agreement, where they cleverly managed to keep China from having to restrict its CO2 output in any way. Brilliant! Of course, it was pretty easy to swing such a deal because they knew Obama would give them anything they wanted if they would just sign on to the deal.

Western socialists are SO ignorant!

Derg
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 3:45 am

Griff what color is the sky in your world?

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Derg
September 13, 2019 4:03 am

>..Rainbows ? : )

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
September 13, 2019 7:03 am

What color is CO2?

Neil Jordan
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2019 7:51 am

Griff – if you don’t know the answer, you can ask that girl who can see the stuff.

Roger Knights
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 5:00 am

“the USA is the largest emitter without a plan ”

But it has accomplished the greatest reduction. Maybe “plans” aren’t so great. What good did their five-year plans do for the USSR and China?

MarkW
Reply to  Roger Knights
September 13, 2019 7:05 am

To those on the left, what you say is way more important that what you do.

So if you go around chastising other people for using fossil fuel, there is no need for you to actually reduce your own fossil fuel usage.

Bill Capron
Reply to  Roger Knights
September 13, 2019 7:10 am

Right on, Roger! Maybe it’s the invisible hand of capitalism …

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 5:27 am

“Besides which there is also a technological and infrastructure revolution going on out there, which the US is ignoring.”

Yeah, we see how well that techonolgy (windmills and solar) is doing in places like South Australia and Germany and the UK. That’s why we are ignoring it. We see the harm this technology is doing to their power grids and to their economies. They are demonstrating that the technology is not for us. We appreciate them serving as our crash-test dummies and showing us what to avoid.

Lee L
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 13, 2019 9:21 am

Actually…if there is a technological revolution…the one that the USA IS ignoring..China is not.

World Nuclear Association:
“Mainland China has about 45 nuclear power reactors in operation, about 15 under construction, and more about to start construction
The government’s long-term target, as outlined in its Energy Development Strategy Action Plan 2014-2020, is for 58 GWe capacity by 2020, with 30 GWe more under construction.”… ie. it has a 50 percent increase (over 2020 capacity) already in the pipeline and more than that in the planning stages.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lee L
September 13, 2019 10:45 am

China doesn’t have to deal with the Greens. They can build all the nuclear powerplants they want.

If one has to deal with the Greens then you are likely to end up like the Germans who are giving up already constructed and operating nuclear reactors because a tidal wave happened over in Japan.

I understand that German manufacturing is already in recession, with the rest of the economy to follow. I wonder how much of this economic downturn is due to how Merkel has bungled the energy situation in Germany, doing away with perfectly usable nuclear powerplants and substituting costly windmills and other unworkable solutions.

Increasing energy costs is just like increasing taxes on people: It reduces the disposable income of people and causes the economy to slow down as consumers spend less because they have less to spend.

Scissor
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 5:45 am

I thought that communists should love seeing their plans come to fruition. Yes, in many ways the U.S. is in decline but it’s because of its own cultural revolution.

Alasdair Fairbairn
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 5:45 am

You love stirring the pot griff.

Scissor
Reply to  Alasdair Fairbairn
September 13, 2019 6:51 am

Too bad it’s always with a spoon full or two of you know what.

Latitude
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 5:46 am

Because the USA is the largest emitter without a plan to actually do something …

you know griff…when you move the goal posts…..they still have to be in sight of each other

Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 6:03 am

Is that Sarc? Or do you get your info from NGD/GND etc.? Thanks

Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 6:44 am

Somehow griff is ignorant about the plans the U.S, does have, but stupidly has not talked about : gen 4+ nuclear power, which even those greenies with common sense understand is the only real (and practical) means of redducing CO2 emissions. Small modular molten salt reactors are being developed and have been receiving grants from the Dept of Energy. Wind and solar totally suck, as does anyone dumb enough to advocate these expensive, unreliable, environmentally attrocious and primitive means of producing sometimes power. China, India both are racing the U.S. in developing this technology, which bllows away any and all other types of power production.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 6:51 am

If the USA gets a plan, then they will be the largest country to not have a plan to get a plan.
And if they keep not having a plan, they will continue to be the most productive economic engine, and the economic bright spot of the entire world.
Because plans suck.
We have freedom, not self absorbed lying leftist idiot central planners making our energy policy while knowing not the first thing about energy or successful policies.
The US has done more with no plan than any country with a plan has done to reduce emissions. And done so while our economy, stock market and total population have moved sharply higher.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 7:02 am

Fascinating, China is the biggest emitter and their emissions are growing rapidly.
The US is either the 2nd or 3rd largest emitter and our emissions are falling.

However the US is the biggest problem.

Once again griff demonstrates that he doesn’t actually stop to think about what it is saying.

PS, saying that you are going to do something in 20 years, is not a plan.

Kerry Eubanks
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 7:24 am

Griff,

“If you accept the science, then the USA is actually the biggest problem and also has the biggest potential for remediative action.”

Of all the nonsense you have spewed, this is perhaps the most nonsensical. Congrats on jumping over a very high bar that you’ve set for yourself. I’d love to hear your explanation of how “science” says the USA is the “biggest problem” but you couldn’t if you tried and you know it. I don’t think you are even a troll. Just an idiot who has had way too much Kool-Aid.

observa
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 7:27 am

“Because the USA is the largest emitter without a plan to actually do something and is actively in denial of the problem.”

Fake news Griff as they’re working on your unreliables big problem right now-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/brand-new-renewable-technology-harnesses-electricity-from-the-cold-dark-night/ar-AAHeivY
What your commies got?

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 9:36 am

Griff Are you a Communist or a socialist? What is your stand on the CCP? Do you think they are our friends like Joe Biden does? Your 3 paragraphs were all complete lies. Communists lie at every turn to advance their agenda. I was just wondering if you are a Communist.

John Dilks
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 12:19 pm

griff,
There is no need for a plan as CO2 is not a problem.

William Astley
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 12:56 pm

Ignoring the fact that humans caused less than 10% of the recent increase in atmospheric CO2 so there is no AGW issue. The science is a 100% incorrect.

China emits twice as much CO2 as the US. The CAGW imaginary problem is how much CO2 enters the atmosphere. It does not matter the source. China’s CAGW problem is too many people.

http://johnley.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/China-emissions-in-climate-change-vs-US-Europe.gif

I do not see any plan that works.

What we have done is CAGW light. Waste a few billion here and there with almost no measure change except higher energy prices and increase in environmental damage due to biofuels and wind farms.

Actual CO2 reductions of say 50% requires war time like changes in American life to reduce energy consumption, such as banning private cars, banning second homes, banning tourism air travel, massive taxes on gasoline and diesel, and so on. The public support CAGW light, not CAGW justified state control of their lives.

We have run out money to spend and there is a long list of things Democrats are promising to spend more money on.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2019 3:57 pm

If I had a dollar for every time Griff said something truthful or that made sense, I’d be broke.

Joel
Reply to  Peter
September 13, 2019 5:13 am

They are Communists. Our leftists love Communism, even if in name only. I think they love the idea of state control of the economy which gives power to mediocre people lile themselves.
I bet these guys admire Mao.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel
September 13, 2019 7:30 am

Bernie was making excuses for socialsim (communism) last night at the Democrat presidential debate. Bernie said Venezuela was not a good representative model of socialism. In other words, Bernie implies he can make socialism work even though others cannot.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Joel
September 13, 2019 7:48 am

I think they like Euro-socialism with an un-elected set of rulers who are all “experts”, which means those with expertise who will not challenge or change the dominant paradigm. A lot of people like the idea of Euro-socialism because it delivers where crony capitalism doesn’t. If Westerners don’t understand this, they will be disappointed by the response of the general population of the planet.

It boils down to materialism – the love and worship of things. Materialism is a cancer that is eating its way into the furthest reaches of the globe. A healthy organism doesn’t have malignant growth. The energy problem will be solved. That doesn’t mean we all have to share smaller pies, but for the first time the whole system will be examined to see that it is sustainable.

I am not worried about energy – there is lots of energy. Ambition? That is a problem.

Derg
Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
September 14, 2019 3:35 am

“Materialism is a cancer that is eating its way into the furthest reaches of the globe. ”

Would you explain further?

Wade
Reply to  Peter
September 13, 2019 5:32 am

“Why is it that China, the world’s biggest emitter and rising, is always sanctified by the left, whereas the US, whose emissions are half those of China and falling , is demonised?”

Because China is already communist.

Ken
Reply to  Peter
September 13, 2019 8:02 am

Not perceptions. Ambitions.

GoatGuy
Reply to  Peter
September 13, 2019 8:52 am

The answer couldn’t be more obvious, right?

Because of MONEY, POWER and FACE.

China’s once proudly disseminated 100 year master plan was and remains the same today as it was in decades following 1949. She intends to dominate energy, technology, commerce, manufacturing, distribution and monopolization of every sector that — soon formerly — the West has come to be renowned for in the post-WW2-technological revolution.

She will do so by every means possible, including as needed planting moles and operatives throughout the academic sphere, sanitizing her often deliberately nefarious and unflinchingly insidious practices. Whitewashing her coal use. Whitewashing her prisoners-are-good-organ-donors. Whitewashing her South China Sea sovereignty grabs. Whitewashing her industrial waste debacle. Whitewashing her environmental intransigence. Whitewashing, whitewashing, whitewashing.

Is it any wonder co-conspirator (ahem… co-author…) of the paper is Fang Zhang is the China Studies post-doc? Whaddya think the odds are that Fang reports back regularly to China’s pölïtical apparatus; when pretty whitewashing ‘studies’ come out, Fang gets more departmental funding. Tufts not only doesn’t give a fûque, but rather applauds the friendly delegate committee visits every year to secure yet-another-round of well-heeled undergraduate foreign students to their august halls.

That’s what I mean: one must be very alert to view the mendaciousness in camera lucida. Very alert. Because China has invested half-a-hundred-years in shape-shifting, story-telling, smoke-blowing, and paper maché panda modeling. She’s Very good at it. Long game. Doubtless to me, she’ll win it, too.

Just saying,
GoatGuy ✓

John F. Hultquist
September 12, 2019 10:21 pm

See 1948 Donora smog.

Thus began the clean up of the air in the USA.

In China’s case, that is what they seek, also.
Climate has nothing to do with their actions.
Except when they can make propaganda from it.

Kelly and Fang see a couple of trees and miss seeing the forest.
Happens with climate cult members.

Betapug
September 12, 2019 10:24 pm

If their programs to develop Gen IV nuclear reactors suitable for mass production and placing into existing coal powered generation plants, I would not be surprised.

commieBob
Reply to  Betapug
September 13, 2019 12:52 am

The old idea was that China would always be ten years behind us technologically.

We have noticed that the Chinese are ahead of us in quantum computing. That would mean that they could crack all our encrypted communications in milliseconds and their communications would be completely dark to us. link Folks are seriously worried.

I would not underestimate China’s technological capabilities. I would also not underestimate their ability to innovate.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  commieBob
September 13, 2019 5:44 am

“I would not underestimate China’s technological capabilities. I would also not underestimate their ability to innovate.”

We also should not underestimate China’s ability or determination to steal from others.

commieBob
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 14, 2019 12:11 am

Yeah, they play to win … unlike whatever the Democrats think we should be doing.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  commieBob
September 15, 2019 7:33 pm

commieBob,

quantum encryption utilisation till now is as real as travelling at tachyon speed.

Greg
September 12, 2019 10:28 pm

China’s main aim is to become more competitive through improving energy efficiency and to reduce REAL air pollution from thousands of low quality coal burning stations.

If they are playing the CO2 card, it is because they know they can get paid money by masochistic, guilt-ridden developed nations for doing what they wanted to do anyway for other reasons.

September 12, 2019 10:29 pm

They can become a Climate Leader only if they come to President Trump and ask him if they can purchase the trade secrets of America’s Carbon Capture Utilization System that will remove over 90% of their regular coal fired power plants CO2 emissions.
China is now building HELE coal fired power plants. These cost much more, but with the Sidel CCU System at much less cost they can emit much less CO2.

Reply to  Sid Abma
September 12, 2019 10:50 pm

Pls just go away Sid.
Anyone with a brain knows CCS as an end to itself is dumb beyond belief.

Scissor
Reply to  Sid Abma
September 13, 2019 5:50 am

CO2 is certainly not their problem; not our problem.

MarkW
Reply to  Sid Abma
September 13, 2019 7:07 am

I see Sid hasn’t found enough investors for his Ponzi scheme.

ggm
September 12, 2019 10:32 pm

China is building massive over capacity because they plan on exporting electricity to Europe once the idiot Euroweenies destroy their power generating capacity.

MarkW
Reply to  ggm
September 13, 2019 7:08 am

Are they going to put it into tankers?

brians356
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2019 9:15 am

No, they’ll just run high-tension transmission lines straight to Europe. That way the recipients can easily ignore the dirty source of the power. Electricity is colorless, tasteless, odorless. And free if you ask a Tesla owner.

Greg
September 12, 2019 10:34 pm

Obama met Xi and explained how to jerk off the West with CO2. They are doing nothing that they would not already be doing for other reasons, they just want us to pay for it while they finish destroying what is left of our industrial infrastructure.

J Mac
September 12, 2019 10:35 pm

China will do whatever advances the Chinese economy and military. Nothing else has priority.

M Courtney
Reply to  J Mac
September 12, 2019 11:53 pm

Those sound like sensible priorities to me.

It would be nice if freedom and justice were also include but that isn’t the traditional Chinese culture.

commieBob
Reply to  M Courtney
September 13, 2019 1:11 am

China has a deep tradition of justice. When it comes to freedom, I find that the Chinese members of the family can get away with stuff I wouldn’t even think of trying.

The reason I post anonymously is that I deeply fear the Social Justice Warriors I find myself surrounded by. That’s not freedom.

John Burdick
September 12, 2019 10:40 pm

I have traveled to China twice in the past few years and the air pollution is the worst I have ever experienced anywhere including Los Angeles in the 70’s.

I traveled to Beijing, Shanghai, Wuhan, Chengdu and Xian by bullet train. The smog was like thick smoke everywhere apparently caused by coal generating plants, industry, and charcoal burning in the countryside.

The talk about China making “Green” strides may be true but this is a drop in the bucket compared to what the US has done with clean air and water. Greens in this country would do well to travel to China and India in order to understand the magnitude of the difference. We can be thankful for our regulations yet the cost already has been enormous to our economy. Given an equal playground of regulations like we have, China would immediately crash into a deep recession.

One other interesting fact is China and India have the greatest number of cities in the world with the highest particulate matter air pollution. Furthermore, the US has no cities in the top 500 for this type of pollution. We should be proud of this accomplishment yet the current bevy of Presidential hopefuls want to drive a dagger into our economy with draconian energy policies.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Burdick
September 13, 2019 5:53 am

“I have traveled to China twice in the past few years and the air pollution is the worst I have ever experienced anywhere including Los Angeles in the 70’s.”

That was some bad pollution in Los Angeles! The sky was brown and yellow, and you could smell and taste the air. That was my first visit to Los Angeles and, being from a non-polluted part of the country, I was shocked at the situation I found there. I stayed there a couple of weeks and was getting headaches just from breathing the air. I never get headaches, otherwise, so I assume it was the air.

Los Angeles is a much different place today, thank Goodness!

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 13, 2019 8:18 am

It was some bad pollution! I first got to LA (Pasadena) a January ’72 midweek on a tour, skies were thickly hazy. I was amazed on Saturday morning to see that there were mountains so close!

September 12, 2019 10:41 pm

The problem in China is not coal as such, but the fact that smoke is not cleaned from particles as is done in Europe.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Hans Erren
September 13, 2019 5:11 am

“smoke is not cleaned from particles as is done in Europe.”

I’ve read that Chinese plant managers turn off the scrubbers when the inspectors leave (perhaps after being paid off), because the scrubbers make their plants less efficient.

Craig from Oz
September 12, 2019 10:47 pm

All in the wording.

‘A Global Leader in Climate *ACTION*’

These people do realise that not only is Climate not something you can action on in the first place, but even within their own context, you only really need action if you have a problem.

As example, I personally have zero action plans revolving around reducing my use of cigarettes. Many other people have very detailed plans for cigarette use reduction. Relative to me they lead me on ‘action’.

I however do not smoke.

Still, this article came from the Australian left. The only way for them to ever openly criticise China would be for Trump to take it over.

Dan J. Cody
September 12, 2019 11:00 pm

As long as they don’t stop making won tons,lo mein, chow fun,chow mein,mei fun, shrimp & pork fried rice,shrimp & spring rolls, then I’m a happy camper.
Did you hear about the 2 new Chinese restaurants that opened up?
Won Hung Lo and Wee Sukim Yung.

jorgekafkazar
September 12, 2019 11:29 pm

“Climate leader” is ecoclownese for “lead lemming.”

pat
September 12, 2019 11:36 pm

This man is insane. A delusional idiot.

Bernie
September 12, 2019 11:51 pm

I have visited a number of China’s coal fired power stations and it is a fact that they have to meet high standards for low particulate, NOx and sulphur dioxide emissions. There is nothing backward about their coal fired power stations that I saw.

What I did see is many small coal fired plants like brick-works that appeared to have no fluegas cleanup at all. The filthy black plumes from these plants were causing significant degradation of air quality. I think the other big sources of air pollution are motor vehicles, particularly diesel trucks and also dust storms. Beijing is close to Inner Mongolia which has vast deserts and when the wind blows from there the visibility can be very poor.

michael hart
September 13, 2019 12:00 am

Professor of Energy and Environmental Policy and Director, Center for International Environment and Resource Policy at The Fletcher School, Tufts University

In other words, “Professor of Nothing Useful but enjoys telling other people what to do.”

September 13, 2019 12:03 am

It doesn’t mention China’s massively increasing export of coal fired power plants to Developing Countries!
Neither does it consider India’s increasing CO2 contributions in their programme of new CFPS’s – as needed in a desperate attempt to fill the massive Power Gap generated by extending cities and industries and increases in a population that is massively increasing power usage per person..

William Haas
September 13, 2019 12:05 am

Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and there is plenty of scientific rationale that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. So even if China completely stopped making use of fossil fuels, such efforts would have no effect on climate. There are many good reasons for conserving on the use of fossil fuels but climate change is not one of them.

StephenP
September 13, 2019 12:06 am

CCS: you produce double the energy so you can then put half the emissions underground. Back where you started.

Chris Hanley
September 13, 2019 12:08 am

I don’t see the relevance of the photo of Weifang ‘kite capital of the world’.
Sure some cities in China have a smog problem that has nothing to do with CO2, or necessarily coal-fired electricity generation.
The google ‘Weifang’ image page shows a bright sunny city and google earth indicates a coal-fired station to the East well away from the city centre.
“… Weifang has a monsoon-influenced, four-season humid continental climate (Köppen Dwa), with hot, humid summers, and cold but dry winters.the city receives 2,536 hours of bright sunshine annually, sunshine is abundant except during the summer months …” (Wiki).
Heavy fog is a common occurrence in East China provinces:
https://www.google.com/search?q=fog+shrouds+Chinese+provinces&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieoI3-nc3kAhWYfCsKHfjMAKwQ_AUIEigB&biw=1208&bih=613
Also Chinese traditional art:
https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+art+%2B+mist+%2B+fog&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj99rOVnM3kAhVNSX0KHQrxCFYQ_AUIEigB&biw=1208&bih=613

Patrick MJD
September 13, 2019 12:27 am

Images like that are usually taken through a telephoto lens, it “enhances” these sorts of images. Like back lit steam and water vapour, looks bad!

September 13, 2019 2:16 am

The US Democrats have a dream. They think that China is a Socialist
country, therefore it cannot do anything wrong. True they arere building
coal fired power stations, but wait, Kyoto said that was OK, after all they
have to catch up with the Western countries.

So what about the CC stuff, well; yes that is a problem, but we must realise
that China is aware of that too, but it has to be allowed to do what it does.

All of this does not mean that we in the Western countries can do the same,
we have to lead the World, after all we have so few years left .

Now if you really believe this rubbish, then go down to the bottom of the
garden and play with the Fairies.

MJE VK5ELL

GeoNC
September 13, 2019 4:50 am

I guess speaking in cliches is the modern vernacular. Using “Rolling back” instantly means something is bad but if you use “change” or “moving forward” you are a thoughtful, progressive person interested in the common good. If you took away those phrases a politician would have trouble putting a sentence together.

John
September 13, 2019 4:57 am

That’s like saying “If we had bread we could have a ham sandwich if we had ham.”

Jeremiah Puckett
September 13, 2019 5:05 am

I’m not even going to bother reading the article. China promised in the Paris Agreement to CONTINUE INCREASING EMISSIONS UNTIL 2030 with no promise to decrease in the future. So, what is the “if” you are dreaming of? You have to invent fake news to be published? If you want to be published, then open the eyes of the world that who really promised what in Paris.

Roger Knights
September 13, 2019 5:05 am

“China has added vast wind and solar installations to its grid …”

The last I heard, the new wind turbines were disconnected because they were disrupting the grid, and wind-and-solar are only being added to the grid if they can prove their cost-effectiveness before construction.

Crispin in Waterloo
September 13, 2019 5:07 am

Shame on you for using a photo of the air in a Shandong Province city polluted by the annual crop waste burning event, which lasts for about 5 days each year, typically starting on the 15th of October, and then under it, writing about coal fired power plant emissions.

This is a trick used by the likes of the PBS, the BBC and Greenpeace, not writers that are knowledgeable and honest.

Look at the date and the colour of the smoke. This is China’s equivalent of the Indian Brown Cloud and comes 100% from the burning of renewable biomass.

It is misleading and unfair and a deliberate misrepresentation to use the effects of a so-called savior renewable fuel and claim it shows an effect of the fossil fuels they are supposed to supplant.

Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2019 5:15 am

Here’s the sitrep in a nutshell: With the exception of the US (so far, and only thanks to Trump), the developed world has pretty much gone full retard on climate and energy. The developing countries, including China pretend to be onboard the climate retard train, but only to the extent that they see it as a way to benefit from it. China is the biggest poser of all. While the climate retarded developed countries are busy knocking themselves on the head energy-wise with hammers, China both pretends to do likewise, while handing out hammers (or selling them). Win-win.

Scissor
September 13, 2019 5:50 am

CO2 is certainly not their problem; not our problem.

September 13, 2019 6:37 am

Th professor is wrong – China has halted all wind projects due to their disruption of the grid. China is building quite a few nuclear plants and will build more, something the professor somehow missed. Solar is likewise viewed as a disrupter of the grid due to its unreliability.

Nicholas McGinley
September 13, 2019 6:57 am

If Kelly Sims Gallagher’s pappy had had boobies, he would have been her mammy.

September 13, 2019 7:13 am

Thanks for sharing all of your experiences!

Chris
September 13, 2019 8:30 am

My Tufts degree just lost half of its value.

John Collis
September 13, 2019 9:24 am
Dennis G Sandberg
September 13, 2019 10:04 am

Meanwhile, back in the real world, China is poised to see the same thing that Germany is seeing in 2019; an 87% drop in new onshore wind farm construction concurrent with the end of subsidies.
Reuters, Sustainable Business, May 24, 2019:
“The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) said tariffs paid to onshore wind projects will be cut to as low as 0.29 yuan ($0.0420) per kWh in 2020, while grid price parity will apply to all new projects from Jan. 1 2021.”

fish
September 13, 2019 10:34 am

And if my aunt had knuts she’d be my uncle.

WR2
September 13, 2019 11:40 am

I love how smug leftist propaganda sites are given pompous self righteous names such as “the conversation”, when that conversation is rather one sided. The obviously don’t know what a conversation is. “The indoctrination” would be more accurate.

Rudolf Huber
September 13, 2019 12:02 pm

Climate leader? Those climate nuts never leave out any turd destined to embarrass them. If China cut its coal consumption by half, it would be the biggest coal consumer of the planet. Hell, it would remain nr. one even if they cut to 25% of current consumption. If they cut coal down to 10% of now, they would still be nr 3 worldwide. China is a coal monster without equal. Calling China a potential climate leader and the US the laggard is beyond lying. It’s criminal.

Justin McCarthy
September 13, 2019 3:12 pm

China has overcapacity in solar panel manufacturing. And, no doubt in wind also. Plus, a real need for energy independence given its dependency on imported oil across sea lanes protected (controlled) by the US Navy. Energy independence and maximum employment are China’s drivers. Nothing else. And, surely not saving the planet. China has stopped subsidizing electric cars. And, thus, EV sales have fallen.

Tuft’s University has a Confucian Institute also. Surprise, surprise! Virtue signaling for a donor.

ResourceGuy
September 13, 2019 3:43 pm

And if China stopped being the world’s factory, mine, refinery, blast furnace, and plastics plant ……it would move somewhere else long before the uninformed realized it had even moved out of the U.S. jobs base to China.

yarpos
September 13, 2019 7:21 pm

mmmm, all because “leading on climate change” whatever that means is sooooooooooo important. We wouldnt want to be left behind, oh the ignominy!

Art
September 13, 2019 7:35 pm

China has positioned itself as a global leader on climate action through aggressive investments and a bold mix of climate, renewable energy, energy efficiency and economic policies??????

OK, I get it. He lives on a different planet.

Jon Beard
September 14, 2019 4:45 pm

As Grandma used to say, “If ifs and buts were Soup and nuts then every day’d be Christmas.

September 17, 2019 8:24 am

China is only cutting back on coal because their economy is coming to a standstill. The Chinese miracle is over and while their future may be catastrophic or they may grow slowly the period of high growth is over.

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