Let the Hate Flow: Climate Activists Celebrate the Death of David Koch

David Koch. By Gage Skidmore, CC BY-SA 3.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

In his life David Koch helped create thousands of jobs. He supported mass immigration and opposed President Trump. But none of this was enough to overcome the bogeyman image created by the green movement.

David Koch, a Bad Man, Has Died

Jack Mirkinson
Yesterday 9:37am

David Koch, the conservative billionaire who, along with his brother Charles, helped to make the world a worse placehas died at 79, Charles Koch announced on Friday.

David Koch was a major philanthropist in the arts world; if you live in New York, you will see his name plastered all over the place in cultural citadels like the Metropolitan Museum and Lincoln Center. But what animated him most was using the vast sums of wealth he and his brother amassed through their company, Koch Industries—his net worth was an astounding $58.7 billion—to fund the conservative movement in America. The Koch brothers have been very successful in doing this, to the detriment of the rest of us.

Read more: https://splinternews.com/david-koch-a-bad-man-has-died-1837504323

There’s more;

David Koch’s Monstrous Legacy

By Sarah Jones

By the time he died on Friday at the age of 79, David Koch was worth $42.4 billion. He will be remembered for what he did with it. Some people will probably praise his charitable spirit, perhaps even his support for criminal-justice reform, or his skepticism of military intervention. “The vast bulk of Koch’s philanthropy was not political,” Brian Doherty noted in an obit for Reason magazine. “It included hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research (he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1992) and major arts and sciences institutions, museums, schools, and public television, with much of his institutional philanthropy centered in New York City, his home for decades.”

But Koch’s largesse wasn’t free. We are paying for it now, and have been paying for it for decades. Koch’s legacy is a testament to the power of weaponized philanthropy. For Koch did not restrict himself to supporting artists and scientists. He, along with his brother Charles, who survives him, committed their vast family fortune to the construction of a powerful conservative network. We live in the world that he helped build, and it is on fire.

Read more: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/david-kochs-monstrous-legacy.html

A more balanced memorial from The Independent;

David Koch’s legacy wasn’t perfect – but it was far more positive than you’ve been led to believe

Caleb Franz

To celebrate the death of one of America’s greatest philanthropists because it is politically convenient is a disservice to his true legacy

David Koch, the political philanthropist who nearly everyone has an opinion on, has passed away at the age of 79. Many remember him as a cartoon villain of modern politics; however, the truth of his legacy is that, along with his brother, he championed many positive and noble causes that tend to be supported across the political aisle. 

David was philosophically a libertarian, and even once, in 1980, ran as the VP candidate on the Libertarian Party ticket. 

When he stepped down from his position at Koch Industries due to his failing health during June of last year, the LP reflected on all he and his brother gave to the movement: “The Kochs have teamed with the American Civil Liberties Union, the Centre for American Progress, Families Against Mandatory Minimums, the Coalition for Public Safety, and the MacArthur Foundation to reduce incarceration and promote criminal justice reform. It’s informative that Koch political activism and charitable activities are motivated by classical liberal idealism, not by crony capitalist self-interest. They have changed the political atmosphere in a way that both conservatives and liberals can comfortably move in a more libertarian direction.”

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-koch-death-cancer-brother-money-charles-a9076881.html

It is sad that someone who did so much good has passed.

But it is also sad that a large number of people today are marching to a philosophy of green intolerance, a philosophy which is so rigid and unforgiving, they can’t find anything good to say about someone who supported at least some of their ideas, someone who gave billions of dollars of his own money and many hours of his time to worthy causes.

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111 thoughts on “Let the Hate Flow: Climate Activists Celebrate the Death of David Koch

      • It’s a sad commentary that the Democratic party of “love and acceptance” is filled with haters such as Maher. I understand that not all Democrats are haters, but neither I or any of my conservative friends would wish ill health or a painful demise on anyone.

        I used to like watching Maher, Silverman and other comedic talents but their hate and meanness have just gotten boring, unfunny and dismissable. As Jerry Seinfeld once said, “If you’re not going for a laugh, why are you talking?” Maher et. al ceased saying anything interesting long ago.

        Too bad; such talent wasted.

        • I have read a lot of nasty comments from right leaning individuals (republicans?) this weekend about Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I am not a fan of a lot of her work, but I also don’t wish her dead.

          Sadly, the left does not have a monopoly on this type of hate.

    • Maher also thinks he is a libertarian, which pretty much makes him an ignorant fool who “knows too much that isn’t so.” If I may paraphrase Ronald Reagan.

      • Libertarian socialist does not compute.

        Maybe that means a socialist who thinks that recreational drugs should be legalized. And heavily taxed of course, which means that the black market and gang turf wars to control it will continue.

        States which have legalized MJ still have black markets, and legal weed is smuggled into nearby states where it’s still illegal, such as from NV, OR and WA into ID and from CO into UT (also from NV) and WY.

        The medical MJ states also practice the smuggling trade.

        • Oooohhhh nooo … marijuana is so bad and so important. Wake up and grow some tolerance yourself. Do you realize how much money and how many lives have been ruined by intolerance to a natural plant.

          • Where did I say that I objected to legalized MJ?

            My friends grow hemp.

            I merely pointed out the fact that legalization doesn’t end illegal growing, transporting and selling.

            Not that legalization isn’t also without significant negative issues. No intolerance, only looking for and stating the facts.

          • Well, it was only legalized because for users, it’s another great life-wasting distraction from the ways the people who legalized it are f*cking them. That’s why I call it “soma.” And it does adversely affect the development of the brain in young people and has lasting negative effects on executive function with users of all ages. And it does often lead to the abuse of other, even more pernicious drugs. And it makes users smell like a burning dunghill and look and act like an idiot hippie loser, and indulge in the sort of sad rationalizations all addicts do – like you just did, lowercase jake.

            Apart from that, really marvellous stuff! When discussing tolerance, always think about what it is you’re being told to tolerate. Tolerate brain-rot? NO.

          • Mike, are you aware of recent research? Your comment sounds like it comes from the Nixon-commissioned scientologists of the 70’s.

          • Oops, forgot: causes dependency in a great many users, and at the potencies being bred for now, can result in psychotic episodes that may require an extended stay in a mental health facility, as I’ve seen happen.

            Want some? 🙂

          • Psychotic behavior from Cannabis? You must have seen “Reefer Madness” to know that. What are your own experiences?

          • On second thought, let’s save this discussion for an on-topic blog somewhere and quit derailing this thread like a couple of pot-heads. 😉

          • @Pop Piasa: Everything I’ve just mentioned is current, including actually meeting a man who had to be committed. You’re the one behind the times, frivolously mentioning Reefer Madness and Nixon as if they have some bearing on this discussion. Apart from actual research as opposed to listening to bottom-feeders who positioned themselves to profit off legalization, I’ve spoken to several MDs about it. And yes, I’ve heard it alleviates pain – in combination with opiates, otherwise anecdotal only. Don’t make me do your work for you, look it up. Or maybe it works on mice, but I don’t think the mice are saying.

            Tried it myself when young and ignorant, had two episodes of ventricular tachycardia so off to emergency and no more Stupid Weed for me. Really quite amazing, the sheer variety of ill affects it can induce. And aside from the universally acknowledged view of the medical community, all you have to do is meet a lot of users to learn that they fall apart if they don’t start their day with it, end their day with it, and get as many puffs in during the day as possible. That’s no different from sucking on a pint of vodka hidden in your desk all day, and if there’s another definition of dependency I’d like to know what it is.

            Anyway at the end of the day it all comes down to one thing for me: I’d like to see people do better with the one life and one brain they’re issued. Pandemic substance abuse might be the norm now, but it doesn’t have to be, and it’s part of the legacy of exactly the same people who want to pull civilization down, which I kind of think this whole blog is about. 🙂

            No soma thanks, I want to stay at firing on all cylinders – I think the times demand that.

    • Screw Maher. David was a nice man and to wish a painful death on him is sick. I worked for David in the early 1980s and liked him immensely.

    • Disgusting attitude. Bill Maher used to be funny about 20y ago, now he’s a jerk.

      Most of the people railing again David Koch probably can not name one thing he did that they think was wrong. It’s sufficient just to hate the Koch brothers, to show you are “politically correct”.

      Doubtless Farcebook and Twatter will be deleting millions of accounts for posting “hateful” remarks contrary to service policy rules.

  1. One of the big differences between most conservatives and most leftists is that leftists believe that conservatives are evil, while conservatives view leftist agendas as evil. They demonize the man, and we demonize the ideology.

    • I have always put it like this: “Conservatives think liberals are people with bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people.”

        • Correction: libertarians love liberty; liberals are the ones who believe all people should have the liberty to do anything that liberals approve of.

          • You have fallen for leftist Newspeak. They only call themselves liberals to fool the sheep. Did you not see my link?

          • Nope. Merriam Webster still defines it as it always has. Lying leftists, sheep, and the ill informed have changed its usage, but not it’s definition. The root word is “liberty”.

            From Merriam Webster:

            Definition of liberal

            1a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts
            liberal education
            b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
            2a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED
            a liberal giver
            b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way
            a liberal meal
            c : AMPLE, FULL
            3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS
            4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE
            a liberal translation
            5 : BROAD-MINDED
            especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
            6a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism
            b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism
            especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

            Now you have a choice. Keep calling fascists “liberal”, or call them what they truly are. Stupid vs smart. You decide.

            Why would any intelligent human being want to flatter leftists by calling them liberal?

      • Sorry, but imo some people with bad ideas are also evil, to wit, Hillary Clinton and George Soros. If I should outlive either of them, I will have a few drinks to celebrate their departure.

        But I would not say their supporters are evil (though some may be), just badly misguided.

      • I think the phrase “weaponized philanthropy” more accurately describes the efforts those who claim to be saving the world. Maybe it’s actually “weaponized gaianthropy” instead, but I think it’s all about projecting your own behavior into your opponent.

  2. The face of the Progressive/Democrat Party. Rage. Hate. Violence. You can vote for that or against that. Your choice.

  3. Celebrating the death of a fellow human displays a stunted morality. The Left can, and does, go too far.

    We know the left can go too far. The Soviets taught us that. The Maoists and the Khmer Rouge taught us that. The North Koreans, and the Cubans, and the Venezuelans continue to teach us in the same manner. link

  4. His alleged offence was to be slightly more to the right than the elite leftist authoritarians who are now seeking control globally and to thereby act as a brake on the ongoing attempts towards leftist world domination.
    For that he is demonised despite all the good that he did.
    For leftist authoritarians, anyone who is even a smidgeon reluctant to actively support their world view has to be categorised as irredeemably evil.
    Dehumanisation of their political opponents is now and always has been a primary authoritarian aim. There is no room for debate or honestly held differences in opinion for that way lies their ultimate defeat.

  5. reckon theres a lot of envy in the hate side as well, funny how gates is worth billions but manages his pr spin better.
    something I saw header on ZH about the Koch bros n soros joining for some funding
    dunno what and it mightsnt go ahead
    but dealing with soros is a good way to get bad publicity too.
    my two bobs worth

  6. Always funny to hear people who gnash their teeth over the Koch brothers actually try to pronounce “Koch.” Just bogeymen/boogeymen in print.

    • I hear it pronounced like “Coke” most of the time. I have always pronounced it “Kosh”.

      Where I grew up, there were some wealthy(ish) brothers named Koch who owned several car dealerships. They pronounced their name “Kosh”, so that is how I have always pronounced the more famous “Koch Brothers”.

  7. I find the Left’s putrid hate for David Koch to be puzzling since, as a Libertarian, Koch was for more left on many issues (open borders, free the weed, homosexual marriage, etc) than he was to the right.

    Yet, the Left’s nasty bigotry persists.

    • One possible reason for being pro-immigration is it provides a source of cheap labor. When ICE raided one of Koch Industries chicken processing plants in Mississippi, they got rid of 300 illegals. They had a job fair the next day and hired 300 locals at $12-$15/hour.

      • Correction
        “They had a job fair the next day and hired 300 locals legal Americans at $12-$15/hour. “Locals” could still be illegals…Nitpicking, I know….lol

      • That was a different Koch not related at all. Every article I read made it clear. How did you get it wrong?

  8. Bill Maher’s comments about painful death were truly demented. I see that Ruth Bader Ginsberg has another incidence of pancreatic cancer. I do not like her politics or legal ideation, but I admire her feisty character and hard work, and I do not hope she dies. The difference between conservatives and liberals is alarming, and the liberals activism, often in self-indulgent rages, is out of control.

  9. It never ceases to amaze me how a philosophy that preaches tolerance can have so little tolerance towards anyone who disagrees with them, on anything.

      • Be afraid, be very afraid.

        When Bill C. passes, all the men in the US will have to wear their trousers at half-mast for a month…..

  10. And these are the folks who claim to stand for diversity, inclusion and tolerance. Yeah, right!

  11. Not a conservative. Yet they hate him for being a conservative. They hate him for undermining their paths to power that involve removal of individual freedom and reasoning based on careful identification of fact. Otherwise, he agreed with them on most of their argumentative positions. The Left is nasty, nasty deranged.

    • As a libertarian, Koch was a kind of conservative. His brand was a mix of neo- and paleo-conservatism, or classical liberalism, mixed with elements of modern progressivism on issues of individual liberty.

      Koch supported individual liberty, free market principles, reduced government spending and a non-interventionist foreign policy. He opposed the Iraq War. He supported women’s right to choose, gay rights, same-sex marriage and stem-cell research, and opposed the war on drugs.

      I guess besides being pro-business, his unforgivable sin was funding the Tea Party. In other grievous error, he was against Obamacare and the Dodd–Frank Act. His skepticism about anthropogenic global warming was of course rank heresy for which he must be cast into outer darkness.

      No amount of good works could earn him indulgence for such mortal sins.

      • All correct.
        I voted for him in 1980 when he ran as Ron Paul’s VP.
        The LP had open borders as a platform plank then.
        I wish the LP had had the imagination to run Clint Eastwood and Russell Means as the Cowboy and Indian ticket. But they flubbed a chance to be 30 years ahead in reality TV politicking.
        When Gore ran against W, I stopped voting LP.
        Between the PMRC and Earth in The Balance, I was ready to vote for one of the Old Ones against Gore.

  12. If the CAGW alarmist claims are correct, we should note sudden downward inflections in both the Keeling curve and the curve of global temperatures over time, coincident with August 23, 2019.

    I’m not holding my breath to see if these happen.

    David Koch may not have been as good as some, but he was far better than most.

  13. Truly some sick, sick, sick people are gaining positions of prominence. I can only hope that the world sees that before the next generation gets screwed by arrogance and self righteousness that without fail leads to The cruelest regimes.
    As I like to say conservatives want to be left alone to live life within our means. The new left seems to admire the most evil despots history has spawned on the human race.
    Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it…

  14. The Koch Brothers will be remembered for being good people that ran businesses very well and were rewarded for their success. This is the way of life that some people cannot understand as they can only run their businesses by seeking support form government. I have worked indirectly with two Koch entities, neither involved in exploration and production, but in technology development and deployment. Both are first rate organizations which means that Koch and his brother selected their management well.
    I morn the loss of people that can make the economic system work by pulling together the many desperate parts that make a successful business effort: Sound ideas, execution of these ideas, financing, business development. managing, and customer satisfaction. Without all these aspects and more, businesses will fail.
    Just look at GE that once was a powerhouse (pun intended) in the electric industry. Vertically integrated in all aspects. Then branching out from turbine power to turbine jet engines and being successful there too. But they started to fail when they reached too far or took too political views of what they were doing. They lost billions in wind and solar and nearly bankrupted the company. They purchased Baker-Hughes then managed it into the ground with stupid HR issues (from personal communications with employees). They they will sell it off at a loss a few years later. Such is the fate of poorly managed companies.

    • GE’s going into financing in a big way turned out to be leveraged the wrong way in a ZIRP environment also.

    • GE Finance and GE Capital Management made the biggest errors, although their smart LED bulbs are none too bright.

  15. Totalitarianism is an evil that must be opposed without regard to whether it comes from the right, the left or the middle, or whether it is justified by belief or in support of good causes, such as protecting the world we all live in. The pursuit of what may seem like good causes with totalitarian zeal turns those seemingly good causes into a form of evil. With regard to the Koch brothers, there is entirely too much focus on ad hominem attacks and precious little reasoned evaluation of actual policies they have supported. Democracy is supposed to be all about the open discussion of public policy. It is policy that ultimately affects our lives. We are all mortal but policies tend to have much longer lifespans than individuals, hence the importance of focusing on policies instead of individuals.

  16. “We live in the world that he helped build, and it is on fire.” – Monstrous Legacy

    It is? I don’t see no smoke risin’ in the sky, not nowhere, nohow.

    Gee whiz, these people sure are letting us know loudly that they are nothing but loud-mouthed, bad tempered spoiled brats!

  17. Didn’t Billionaire Tom Steyer make his fortune from coal? Therefore, shouldn’t ALL of his “environmental philanthropy” be put into question? Shouldn’t he receive daily HATE mail, and get a HATEFUL sendoff from these “eco”-Loons?

    • Yes, partly.

      After Steyer stepped down in 2012 from running his hedge fund Farallon Capital, he began advocating for alternative energy and disposing of his fossil fuel investments. Loony Leftie critics accused him of not getting rid of them fast enough, and noted that the lifespan of the facilities he funded would extend through 2030.

      The NYT charged in 2014 that Faralon under Steyer had invested in or lent money to coal-mining companies which increased their coal production by 70 million tons annually, and that Steyer remained invested in the Maules Creek coal mine. Prior to Steyer’s departure, a student activist group called UnFarallon criticized the fund for investments in companies with anti-environmental policies.

      He’s just your average, garden variety Leftist hypocrite.

      • Thanks JT, for that accurate description of Steyer’s enrichment through the VALUE of fossil fuels. Yes, MEGA (not MAGA) hypocrite.

  18. Coming from the Death Cult of Zero Worship? It was predictable and I didn’t even bother looking at what the loons had to say on his passing.

  19. Mr Smirkinson clearly is full of his own deranged agitprop. What an asset to humanity. Not.

  20. So, who are Jack Mirkinson and Sarah Jones, and why should I give a rat’s posterior what they think about anything?

  21. This was posted on my fb: “Reading an article about a happily all-gender cabin at a Jewish summer camp right above an article about david koch’s death, feeling pretty good about both.”

    • Tom

      I’m not sure whether to laugh or vomit.

      I think it’s disturbing, but can’t imagine anyone evil enough to post that, about anyone. Did they just express themselves badly?

  22. This was in the AP report in the Winnipeg Free Press:
    **Among other things, the Kochs and their company bankrolled a decades-long movement to cast doubt on man-made climate change and to thwart efforts to fight global warming through reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

    “David Koch will likely be remembered as one of a small handful of individuals who singlehandedly thwarted efforts to act on climate change and other pressing environmental threats aimed at preserving our planet for future generations,” said Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann. **
    They had to dig low to get that comment.
    Has anyone shown how Koch brothers “thwarted efforts” or funded anyone”
    Of course if they did, they would have been showing how not to waste money on a useless effort.

  23. Several people here have commented that the left attacks the person rather than the policies or ideas. This is pure Saul Alinsky. Alinsky was the father of “Community Organization” as a career path. In his “Rules for Radials” published in 1971, his 13th rule (one he felt was the most important) follows:

    “13 Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”

    Need I say more?

  24. From the article: “But what animated him most was using the vast sums of wealth he and his brother amassed through their company, Koch Industries—his net worth was an astounding $58.7 billion—to fund the conservative movement in America. The Koch brothers have been very successful in doing this, to the detriment of the rest of us.”

    “The rest of us” should actually read “the rest of us socialists”.

    Leftists and socialists have a bad habit of assuming they speak for everyone. They don’t. They speak for themselves and other socialists.

    They don’t speak for conservatives who have large enough numbers to elect a President of the United States, and those tens of millions of Americans like the conservative movement just fine.

  25. He must have crossed Obama at some stage. Obama has a very powerful propaganda machine at his disposal – even today – and it pulled out all stops to demonise the Kochs.
    Interesting that that same propaganda machine never focussed its baleful glare on Jeffery Epstein?

  26. Many people in this country are starting to realize that “mass immigration” is one of the truly evil events to have happened in the US this century. It facilitates many of the other truly evil actions that are happening to undermine the fundamental goodness of this country.

  27. From the article: “But Koch’s largesse wasn’t free. We are paying for it now, and have been paying for it for decades. Koch’s legacy is a testament to the power of weaponized philanthropy. For Koch did not restrict himself to supporting artists and scientists. He, along with his brother Charles, who survives him, committed their vast family fortune to the construction of a powerful conservative network. We live in the world that he helped build, and it is on fire.”

    The author, Sarah Jones, does live in a world on fire: The Delusional Socialist World.

    The Real World is doing just fine.

  28. The left – the self-proclaimed luvvies are united in their love of hate. Their tactics are the same as those of a rather well known regime of hate who thought of themselves as benefactors. So, what was that reviled regime based on twisted logic and Nationalist and Socialist ideals? What is the name of that reviled regime that the left faithfully follow in logic and tactics, but refuse to allow their name to be uttered unless it is them accusing others of being them?

    The answer is, as many should recognise is ………….the NAZIS.

    • Not sure what we’ll say. But the fact is Soros funds violent radicals. And he made his initial fortune by nearly collapsing the British economy. There is no comparison between the two men.

    • I’ll be saying, “Slainte!” (been binge watching too many UK productions). But I’m not condemning anyone for their glee over someone’s death (although I strongly disagree with them on this one). IMO, he is evil, but in some respects, evil may somewhat depend upon your point of view. The H-man still has his followers today, but most people of all political bent would call him evil.

      I also toasted the death of Ted Bundy. No idea what his political leanings were. I can’t think of anyone on the far-right whom I would classify as evil, though I’m sure there must be some. I’ll toast their departures as well.

      Evil stands on its own, independent of political leanings.

      • Ted Bundy’s upbringing and psychological profile were akin to Bill Clinton’s, with comparable results. Impulses just a little more under control for Clinton.

  29. I read a similar article to the ones included in the story. In it the author claimed that David Koch contributed $127 million to climate change denial over the last 20 years and essentially claimed that money is why nothing has been done to prevent “hell on earth”. So $6 million per year was all it took to prevent the world from taking action. Really?

    The left needs a boogeymen and the Koch Brothers are definitely it.

    • “The left needs a boogeymen and the Koch Brothers are definitely it.”

      Yes, the left always has to have a political obstacle on which to vent their rage and hate and if it wasn’t Koch, it would be someone else they would demonize.

      Look at how they demonize Trump. This is Standard Operating Procedure for the Democrats/Left and has been going on for decades with the only change today being that now the volume of the personal attacks has been turned up to 11.

    • “the author claimed that David Koch contributed $127 million to climate change denial over the last 20 years”

      That amount was donated to pro-business think tanks, which in turn spent only 10–15% of it on the climate change issue.

  30. Oh please. As if the conservative side won’t do the exact same thing when, say, George Soros passes away. People are flaming hypocrites.

    • The fact is Soros funds violent radicals. And he made his initial fortune by nearly collapsing the British economy. There is no comparison between the two men.

    • You’re probably right, but I don’t think the Koch brothers participated in the Holocaust on the NAZI side like Soros did.

    • Conservative? Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, Bill of Rights, predominantly pro-life conservative? Prophecy?

  31. Nothing new. This is simply the convenient focal point of the day fro the focus of their endless hate and bottomless ignorance.

  32. One of the things we learned traveling around a lot of the US with a travel trailer is how many public works have been long funded or endowed by the “ROBBER BARONS.” Using local public libraries, often not well appreciated by government types, (among other observations) produced convincing evidence that private money can be better spent for the public than government. It is easier to stop a private troublemaker than a government one.

  33. When I was responsible for our share of the Syncrude oil sands project, Koch Industries owned a large, sophisticated refinery that was a valued customer for our product.

    My impression of Koch Industries was positive – it was competently-run, which reflects well on senior management and ownership.

    I believe the Koch family were great contributors to America. RIP David Koch – a very good man.

    Regards and condolences to the Koch family,
    Allan MacRae – another retired engineer.
    ______________________

    Those who vilify fossil fuels are woefully ignorant, and are apparently motivated by hatred and intense stupidity. Here is why:

    12. Fossil fuels comprise fully 85% of global primary energy, unchanged in decades, and unlikely to change in future decades.

    The remaining 15% of global primary energy is almost all hydro and nuclear.

    Eliminate fossil fuels tomorrow and almost everyone in the developed world would be dead in about a month from starvation and exposure.

    Despite trillions of dollars in squandered subsidies, global green energy has increased from above 1% to below 2% is recent decades.

    Intermittent energy from wind and/or solar generation cannot supply the electric grid with reliable, uninterrupted power.

    “Green energy” schemes are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, because they require almost 100% conventional backup from fossil fuels, nuclear or hydro when the wind does not blow and the Sun does not shine.

    There is no widely-available, practical, cost-effective means of solving the fatal flaw of intermittency in grid-connected wind and solar power generation.

    Hydro backup and pumped storage are only available in a few locations. Other grid-storage systems are very costly, although costs are decreasing.

    To date, vital electric grids have been destabilized, electricity costs have increased greatly, and Excess Winter Deaths have increased due to grid-connected green energy schemes.

    REFERENCES:
    1. “CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY”
    by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., P.Eng., Jun 15, 2019
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/

    2. “STATISTICAL REVIEW OF WORLD ENERGY”
    https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/statistical-review-of-world-energy.html

    3. “WIND REPORT 2005” – note Figs. 6 & 7 re intermittency.
    http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wp-content/uploads/eonwindreport2005.pdf

  34. Those celebrating a death are to be condemned. But I wonder, who here would not celebrate Mike Mann suffering a massive stroke and being cremated next week? The left’s celebration of Kock’s death is shameful, yes. But would you rise above this level of shame?

    • SteveF:

      The evidence does not support your hypothesis.

      I have been active on this blog since ~forever, and the worst anyone has recommended for these criminal warmists is to throw them in jail – which they richly deserve.

      I do not recall anyone in the skeptics’ camp advocating the death of the miscreants who have promoted false runaway global warming hysteria and wilder weather falsehoods, despite the fact that they have squandered trillions of dollars and caused the deaths of many millions of innocents.

      Upon reflection, the warmist leadership are world-class criminals and mass-murderers. Hmmm…

    • SteveF has just illustrated Progressive rationalization/projection/justification – the ‘both sides do it’ line.

      No. One side does it.

    • No, I for one wouldn’t, and I suppose that most skeptics here would not wish Mann a painful death.

      The humiliation which he so richly deserves, yes. Painful death, no.

  35. My condolences to the Koch family.

    Green intolerance is always built on raw emotion, rather than the use of the higher mental faculties of which the human brain is capable. Thus whether it be nuclear power, carbon dioxide, or plastic drinking straws, they always need something to despise. Being able to blame and hate individual people is a bonus as far as they are concerned.

  36. There are some sick people out there. Most of us recognize them and ignore their delusional rants. Unfortunately the mainstream media has enough sympathizers with this particular species of sicko that they publish their tripe. Yet another indictment of the mainstream media mob.

  37. The New York Times referred to David Koch as a “right-wing libertarian”.
    Such a construct is a bit hard to fathom.

  38. Well at least he didn’t die from fuel poverty like the 10,000 per year in the UK .
    Their very own home grown population culling strategy .

  39. Bill maher’s attitude is disgusting. Maybe we should start responding to them with hatred like they do to us. There’s no excuse for this type of hate mongering. He and all others like him are a waste of skin .

  40. It’s a another good example of why the climate war has little to do with science or data.

    Yet, a substantial and influential set of skeptics, many of whom are found in this forum, refuse to acknowledge the ideological underpinnings of the climate and greater green agenda. They heap praise to largely political deniers such as Dr. Curry who is only 1/2 contrite about her alarmist supporting career and plays the trivial pursuit debate points like none other and well represents the broad skeptical climate debate delusion. Her half baked epiphany is less than a decade and seems to have missed 50 years of virulent leftist green activism from the inception of her field and the later 20th century of Greenshirt emergence in general. No one says a word, this brand of skepticism and skeptics are welcomed like heroes here and elsewhere.

    A solid lump of skeptic’s are fools or fifth columnist’s. They’re staring right at totalitarianism but want play kiss-in-the-ring make believe because of their twisted contradictions, weaknesses and need to get along. What they pretend doesn’t exist are ready to send them to re-education camps and prisons as needed. Consider what alarmists do socially to marginal skeptics? They make them the focus, the most extreme dissent imaginable while the bulk of hard line climate dissent is completely dismissed as nonexistent. Skeptics comply to these social rules of the public debate. The cowering RINO model in another form. SINO (skeptic’s in name only).

    So skeptic’s are about as effective as White Russians arguing outside of Moscow in 1918. Born to lose. I never see an internal audit among skeptic’s at all to a common political goal. Where is the common ground lobby to exit the UN Climate Framework? Denounce it all as leftist globalism? When I see that emerge I might become more optimistic.

    Perhaps even a plurality of skeptic’s are a pathetic disgrace of hoo-ha obtuseness. Some of it clearly willful.

  41. “Soma?” It’s a term I’ve been using for years. I define it as the drug millions become addicted to in the form of a government handout, grant, forgiven government loan or debt, or any other kind of government dependency.

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