
Original title before update: Breaking: Dr. Tim Ball wins @MichaelEMann lawsuit – Mann has to pay
See the update below.
Readers surely recall that the easily offended Dr. Michael Mann launched a court case for defamation against climate skeptic Dr. Tim Ball of Canada.
In Feburary 2018 there was a complete dismissal in the lawsuit brought against Dr. Ball by Andrew Weaver of Canada, also for “defamation”.
The Weaver defamation case involved an article Ball wrote saying that the IPCC had diverted almost all climate research funding and scientific investigation to anthropogenic global warming (AGW). This meant that there was virtually no advance in the wider understanding of climate and climate change. Ball referenced an interview with Weaver and attempts by a student to arrange a debate. Ball made some comments that were not fully substantiated, so they became the base of the defamation lawsuit.
That case was completely dismissed, you can read more here.
Now in the Mann case, which goes back to 2011, there’s also a complete dismissal. Ball wrote to me less than an hour ago, asking me to announce it here.
He writes:
Hi Anthony
Michael Mann’s case against me was dismissed this morning by the BC Supreme Court and they awarded me [court] costs.
Tim Ball
This is a developing story, I’ll add more as we know more.
UPDATE:
Dr. Mann Has Posted On Twitter In Reply To This Article
Mann’s statement is here: https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1164910044414189568
For those who are blocked by Dr. Mann: (including me)

And if you’re blocked on Facebook by Dr. Mann, here is that statement:

John O’Sullivan of PSI wrote to one of our moderators with this intro and statement given by Dr. Ball that I was not aware of. Mann of course does not tell his readers this other very important fact, sort of like what he did in “hide the decline” by not reporting negative results that compromised his argument. Mann was doing most of the foot dragging that caused such long delays as the case has been active since 2011.
As Mark Steyn once pointed out; “the process is the punishment “.
O’Sullivan writes:
In short, Mann’s responsive statement is:
- Stark admission he lost fair and square
- A disingenuous argument that the Dismissal was granted merely on the basis of Mann’s “delay” in not submitting his R2 numbers in a timely fashion.
The case has gone on an entire nine years.
On that point, this is where readers may wish to refer to the article ‘Fatal Courtroom Act Ruins Michael ‘Hockey Stick’ Mann‘ (July 4, 2017). In it they offered analysis as to Mann’s fatal legal error. As Dr Ball explained at that time:
“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions. The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”
As I explained in the article, Mann (and his crooked lawyer) had shown bad faith, thereby rendering his case liable for dismissal. I urged Tim to pursue that winning tactic and thankfully he did.
Assisting Dr Ball has been a huge honor for me and probably one of the greatest achievements of my life. But Tim only won this famous courtroom battle thanks to massive worldwide grassroots support.
Anthony: So, as usual, in my opinion Dr. Mann’s ego interprets the facts only in ways that suit his viewpoint, which is the whole reason he got into trouble with the hockey-stick in the first place.
And it isn’t just me who thinks Mann’s arguments are merit-less, in the other defamation case he is pursuing, he has no friends:
Mann’s media buddies leave him high and dry – oppose his lawsuit
Twenty-four media organizations, including The Washington Post, NBC Universal, and Fox News, have sided with the conservative National Review and free market-leaning Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) over a defamation lawsuit brought by a leading climate scientist.
The organizations, which also included the Society of Professional Journalists and the American Civil Liberties Union of the District of Columbia, were signatories to a Feb. 13, letter filed with the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, in which both the National Review and the Competitive Enterprise Institute requested a rehearing of their case before the full appeals court.
In December 2018, a three-judge panel amended a previous ruling against them. But according to the Reporters Committee for the Freedom of the Press, which represents the two-dozen media groups, a full rehearing of the case is now “warranted.”
“The panel’s decision on the merits of plaintiff’s defamation claim … may have unintended and undesirable consequences in future cases implicating the exercise of amici’s right to freedom of speech and of the press,” attorneys for the Reporters Committee stated.
Read it here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/22/manns-media-buddies-leave-him-high-and-dry-oppose-his-lawsuit/
These two quotes seem relevant to Dr. Mann’s travails, and I think the first one speaks loudly to his “save the planet from global warming” machinations:
When any man is more stupidly vain and outrageously egotistic than his fellows, he will hide his hideousness in humanitarianism. –George Moore
Egotism is the anesthetic which nature gives us to deaden the pain of being a fool. Dr. Herbert Shofield
UPDATE #2
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This is excellent news! Am very happy for Dr. Ball.
Cheers!!!
More good news….
“Protests erupt after DNC puts kibosh on climate change-focused debate”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/protests-dnc-kibosh-on-climate-change-debate
“The Democratic National Committee’s summer meeting in San Francisco erupted into a hail of protests on Thursday, as unruly environmentalist activists condemned the party’s decision not to hold a presidential primary debate focused exclusively on climate change — a demand long sought by left-wing activists.”
LOL
I would’ve preferred them to make collective fools of themselves on the big stage (again).
I too would have preferred a debate dedicated to CAGW. It would have been a three-ring circus!
The DNC spokesperson said they thought it better to focus on a variety of subjects than just one, but that CAGW (my words, not hers:) would be one of them. So the Democrats can still make fools of themselves over CAGW, it just won’t last as long. Which is probably the main reason they nixed a dedicated CAGW debate.
This should be front page news WORLDWIDE!!! Oh, the HYPPCRISY of the Chicago GRIFTERS…I wonder what effect it will have on the Alarmist movement….huh?…..NONE?
WHAT ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE?! Internet Has A Blast After Obamas Buy $15 Million Beachfront Mansion
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/what-about-climate-change-internet-has-a-blast-after-obamas-buy-15-million-beachfront-mansion/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=daily
So Barack Obama has bought yet another house. He’s got a mansion in California, another in Chicago, plus there’s his massive residence in Washington, D.C., the one with the walls and fences to keep the riff-raff away.
The internet, as it is wont to do, immediately weighed in on the news.
This one was among the best on Twitter: “If you truly believe that climate change is going to be as devastating as the pundits are saying (ex: the island of Manhatten will soon be underwater), why would you gamble $15M to buy an island estate directly on the water?”

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/obama-california-home
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https://www.enjoyillinois.com/travel-illinois/obama-home-chicago-hyde-park/
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https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/real-estate/news/g2535/obama-new-house-photos/
Waiting to read about this in the MSM …
Get it into the comments sections of climate nut case stories. If enough of us do it, the censors can’t keep up.
supreme court of BC has nothing about it in its record of official judgments
MSM Folks usually wait for publishing of actual court papers.
If there was a dismissal, Ball should have a copy to post. Personally I will wait
to see the court official filing.
I am sure many of us will take much pleasure in reading the court official filing.
Steven you have a first hand account from one of the participants in the suit – the MSM usually waits for publishing of court papers because they’re not participants in the suit. unless you have reason to believe Dr Ball is lying about what transpired in the courtroom mere hours ago at the time you responded, you are just being petty in your response (as usual).
“unless you have reason to believe Dr Ball is lying about what transpired in the courtroom mere hours ago at the time you responded, you are just being petty in your response (as usual).”
Given his previous misrepresentations I do have reason to wait
You do have quite the imagination, don’t you.
mark. you are welcome to go to the supreme court of BC. pay 6 dollars and get the actual court record including the action on the 20th.
chuckles
The imagination has to do with your delusional belief in various prevarications allegedly committed by Dr. Ball.
What you fail to realize is that disagreeing with your sainted opinions is not the logical equivalent to lying.
Well well Steven Mosher ,
Are you a backer of Mike Manns .
You believe that his hockey stick was legitimate ?
Why take eight years to bring forward his proof ?
Why did he not produce his code and proof?
What about listing your proof Steven. and what about listing Dr Ball’s lies that you are insinuating .
Come on Steve Mann up.
Graham
Mr. Mosher: After your wait and the Decision is filed, please do return for more comment. Because then we’ll all be waiting for your apology to Dr. Ball. Given your previous representations, you’ll have to adjust something along the way, and I won’t hold my breath.
“Mr. Mosher: After your wait and the Decision is filed, please do return for more comment. Because then we’ll all be waiting for your apology to Dr. Ball. Given your previous representations, you’ll have to adjust something along the way, and I won’t hold .my breath.”
Apologize?
For what? I dont trust Mann or Ball.
I trust an official court document
I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you paul, regardless of his past glories, Mosh has long since proven himself a disingenuous troll on these boards the past few years, and trolls never apologize.
MarekW: You do have quite the imagination, don’t you.
Mark, trolls usually do. Steven is no exception.
mark. you are welcome to go to the supreme court of BC. pay 6 dollars and get the actual court record including the action on the 20th.
steven, you are the one that insists on waiting for the court documents (despite both Mann and Ball agreeing that there was a dismissal even if they disagree on the details of it), so if anyone needs to pay the 6 dollars to get the actual court record, that would be you. Mark doesn’t need the court record as he takes it as read that when the participants in the suit say it was dismissed that means the suit actually was dismissed. So when are you going to pay the 6 bucks to get those record Steven?
“For what? I dont (sic) trust Mann or Ball.”
Once again, rather than deal with the original question, Steve determines that his safest route is to change the subject.
The claim was that when the court documents show that you are wrong, will you apologize.
As you have demonstrated, you aren’t man enough to do that.
Now that both Mann and Ball (both sides of the suit) have said there was a dismissal (even if they disagree on the details) do you still need to wait for “publishing of actual court papers”to acknowledge that the court did indeed dismiss the case? :rollseyes:
Great news! Congratulations Dr. Ball!
I looked into whatever info was available on the suits Mann brought against Dr. Ball.
Here are links to what I found for past history.
Dr Ball’s sceptic lawyers in big win…Mann loses
Posted on November 11, 2011
https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/02/13/alert-canadian-judge-dismissed-all-charges-in-lawsuit-against-skeptical-climatologist-dr-tim-ball/
The judge ruled that Weaver was not defamed by me and dismissed the claim completely. This was after almost seven years and thousands of dollars in legal costs.
Court Battle: Michael Mann Losing, Gives Tim Ball ‘Concessions’
http://bit.ly/2HbByrK
The judge ordered Mann to turn this data over. He refused.
.…Seems more like it is Mann who is assaulting science. If temperatures have risen “dramatically” and Mann’s work is “key” to proving it then journalists should do their job and challenge him for cynically keeping secret his disputed R2 regression data
Now we prepare to bring the Mann case back to the court.
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Breaking: Fatal Courtroom Act Ruins Michael ‘hockey stick’ Mann
July 4, 2017
https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/
…As Dr Ball explains:
“…Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions. The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”
…s Ball explains:
“We believe he [Mann] withheld on the basis of a US court ruling that it was all his intellectual property. This ruling was made despite the fact the US taxpayer paid for the research and the research results were used as the basis of literally earth-shattering policies on energy and environment. The problem for him is that the Canadian court holds that you cannot withhold documents that are central to your charge of defamation regardless of the US ruling.”
More here.
Should Michael ‘Hockey Stick’ Mann be Prosecuted for Climate Fraud?
May 23, 2018
https://principia-scientific.org/should-michael-hockey-stick-mann-be-prosecuted-for-climate-fraud/
Looks like more that a 97% consensus that justice was done.
A wise judge.
Excellent – very glad to hear this!
Best news of the month!!
Congratulations Dr. Tim Ball. We all missed you at ICCC 13 in DC last month, but enjoyed the video.
Well-earned award for “Lifetime Achievement in Climate Science” presented by the Heartland Institute.
Carry on!
So at least in this case, crime does not pay! And the good guys win one. I have a big smile on my face. I hope to smile even more in the future!
COSTS? 8 years of work defending himself and all he gets are costs?!
That is not justice yet.
But Steyn sued Mann–let us know how that one goes.
Did Mann succeed in hiding his, probably incriminating, emails?
Thanks
JK
Congrats Dr. Ball!
Excellent news.l Congrats Dr. Ball.
Thrilled to hear this good news for Dr. Tim Ball, whom I am enjoyed reading for many years since the the days of The Western Producer many years ago. Keep up the good fight Tim, stay healthy, keep writing and speaking. Your voice has been from the political and scientific wilderness for many years, but it is now becoming main stream thanks to your dogged determinism to tell the truth about climate science, you being one of the true first geographical climate scientists from many years ago.
Show me the green. Heh. Heh. Awesome.
Mann’s legal cases attorney fees are being funded by the GreenSlime.
That’s why he appears at the drop of a hat on TWC to yell “It’s Climate Change” with every tornado or tropical storm they profile. It’s a Quid pro quo for they GreenSlime paying his legal bills.
Tom Steyer can afford these legal costs. He just dropped $10M on Facebook ads to get enough support to make the September DNC debate. So legal costs are chump change to the GreenSlime, where they’ve got 10’s of Billions invested in wind and solar scam on the middle class.
I wonder if the financial backers of Mann will pay Ball? In another 8 years? After forcing Ball to come up with more legal costs “upfront.” As Steyn has said many a time, “The process is the punishment.”
Congratulation Dr. Ball
It must have been a relief after all those years at the courts against this creature…
So what will become of poor Michael Mann?
Absolutely nothing. He will add ‘martyr’ to his highly contrived resume and successfully flip this into another way to enrich his ego and his pocket book. I would be surprised if those court costs were not already covered by those with a vested interest in keeping the Mann afloat.
I am very happy that Tim Ball has finally been relieved of this unwarranted burden, but he deserves more than relief.
Mike makes himself out to be a martyr anytime he is in the public eye. That is part of his MO. It makes his congregation (The Model Fellowship Of Mann) more determined to uphold his authority, confident he is trying to save the planet from anthropogenic ruin and is being hobbled by the deniers.
Great news!!!!!!!!!!
Ha Ha! Take that, Justice Democrats! 😜
Winning!!!!!!! Keep it up Dr. Ball! Sadly the courts are probably the best way to defeat the AGW fraudsters.
Great news. Justice is now served, despite the punishment of the process.
The wheels of justice are indeed slow. 8 years, nothing should ever take that long.
Peter Ridd wins his case against James Cook University.
Then Tim Ball wins his case against Michael Mann.
Could it be that the tide is finally starting to turn?
Heartiest congratulations Tim from “Down Under” New Zealand. A great, well deserved victory far too long in the coming!
You know what’s strange? I’ve been in a war of words with a climate kook using the pseudonym ‘Derpitudinous_Neologism’. He hates and viciously attacks Tim Ball.
I’d drop-kicked Derp so hard that he’d gone silent, but he continued marking my comments on CFACT and Climate Depot as spam to make them disappear.
Today, my comments remain in place.
Is Michael Mann my kicktoy kook and the village idiot of CFACT and Climate Depot? LOL
Because if so… boy howdy is that going to be a major embarrassment for Mann and for the climate alarmism industry as a whole. LOL
Yes, I have enjoyed letting that nasty troll make a fool of himself and do serious damage to CAGW Alarmism. He really outdid himself during an exchange with me on CFACT recently. He is probably just a fool who can use a search engine and can blindly copy and paste whatever he finds on CAGW Alarmist blogs with NO comprehension of the content.
He mocked a statement I had made that temperature changes are in the same direction as changes in pressure.
, “‘Derpitudinous_Neologism the DOPE” doesn’t even understand BASIC GAS LAWS yet knows how to make a SPECTACLE of himself ridiculing them.
PV=nRT
OK, third graders, if P increases, what does T do?
http://www.calctool.org/CALC/chem/c_thermo/ideal_gas.png
PV=nRT does not tell you what the rise in temperature is when a gas is adiabatically compressed. It is Boyle’s law and Charles’ combined into one equation, that is all. This is very widely misunderstood at WUWT.
Just to make it obvious, think about the change in temperature when a given mass of gas is adiabatically compressed to half its previous volume. The absolute temperature does not anywhere near double.
Now don’t create a strawman out of my very simple assertion that TEMPERATURE and PRESSURE move in the SAME direction if they are the only variables that can change. Regardless of additional conditions being imposed and holding the others constant so as to examine ONLY the relationship between TEMPERATURE and PRESSURE, if the PRESSURE increases, the TEMPERATURE also INCREASES. That was the ONLY assertion I made, and the TROLL rejected it, showing his utter IGNORANCE…and his arrogance.
Exactly, you said nothing about V changing. I give cement-for-brains a half strawman. He doesn’t deserve a whole one.
What has happened to our beloved Science over the past half century or so? I still pull out my old (copyright 1960, 1962) “Physics for Students of Science and Engineering”, Halliday and Resnick that carried me through my undergraduate degree in Physics as an intern working for NASA on the Apollo Program as a contrast to some of the nonsense that passes for textbooks today.
We put men on the moon using slide rules and computer programs loaded with IBM cards and paper tape…today, could we repeat that feat even with all the advances in technology we have made during the intervening years if we can’t even get CLIMATE SCIENCE correct?