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China appears to have fanned the flames of Pacific Islander anger over Australia’s failure to provide heaps of extra money embrace a more pro-active approach to helping Pacific Islanders prepare for global warming.
Beijing suggests Australia reflect on how it treats Pacific neighbours after climate change fallout
Beijing has suggested Australia reflect on how it engages its Pacific neighbours after Fiji’s Prime Minister accused Scott Morrison of being “insulting and condescending” at last week’s Pacific Islands Forum (PIF) in Tuvalu.
Key points:
- Pacific leaders were unhappy with Australia’s stance on climate change at last week’s forum
- China’s Foreign Ministry accused Australia of being condescending and insulting
- China insists its aid comes with no strings attached
After hours of negotiations, Pacific leaders failed to reach agreement on climate change action, and instead issued a watered-down communique after Australia refused to endorse statements calling for a ban on new coal mines and rapid reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.
The discussions on climate change reduced the Tongan Prime Minister Akilisi Pohiva to tears while other Pacific leaders also expressed their disappointment.
Fiji’s PM Frank Bainimarama told The Guardian that when Mr Morrison was “[backed] into a corner by the leaders” at the forum, he started talking about how much money Australia had been giving to the Pacific — a move Mr Bainimarama described as “very insulting, very condescending.”
In response to Mr Bainimarama’s comments, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told reporters “it wasn’t the first time that leaders of Pacific island countries resented Australia’s behaviour.”
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What can I say – Clearly China’s generous “no strings attached” approach to helping Pacific Islanders prepare for climate change carried the day.
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Of course, China wants everyone else to cut back while they themselves put out 99.9999% of green house gases.
China and India are the problem. Australia (and the west in general) had no part in the large populations of China and India. That is why the “per capita” emissions game is a fraud.
China yes, India no. The emission numbers are hugely different.
You’ve made the critical mistake of assuming there IS a “problem.”
CO2 emissions are no “problem,” and there IS no “climate crisis.”
Stop being a sucker for the propaganda.
Every Australian should send Xi Jinping a small ball-peen hammer
And a chunk of rock salt.
Perhaps 24 million small hammers and rock salt chunks wrapped in maps of the South China Sea would convey the proper message.
The Pacific nations are simply taking advantage of the nonsense from the UN’s IPCC that the sea is rising. Even if true, its far too slow to matter, the Coral grows fatter, but of course the Islanders are so used to getting money from Australia and New Zealand that its always worth a try.
As Australia already gives a total of one billion a year, mostly to PNG, then tell them to ask China for some, but of course China wants something in return.
Remember that China has a vested interest in being the number one exporter of goods, so if t can at least decrease the ability of the Western countries to prosper, then so be it. .
I seem to recall Napoleon saying ” Never stop a enemy from making a
mistake” and from China’s point of view the West is at least a economic enemy. One can but hope that Trump’s efforts to reverse that does not turn into a proper War. Its said that the Fist World War was a mix of feuding royal cousins, frustrated Generals on both sides and economics, that German goods were both cheaper and better than the UK’s as Germany was in “”Industrial Revolution Mark two””. More modern machinery and a better educated work force.
MJE VK5ELL
From The Australian (Aug 21st)-
‘A confidential submission to the party’s post-election review from the Labor Environment Action Network, obtained by The Australian, expresses “anger and disappointment”, and also “grief”, over the party’s failure to win what was expected to be an unlosable election. The submission is brutal about policy, political and leadership failures.
“Labor was unable to put a price on its climate change action plan,” a LEAN member says in the submission. “It couldn’t say how much it would cost, where the money was coming from or what economic dividend it would deliver or save. It is basic Australian politics — how much, who pays, what does it save. We had no answers.”’……
“LEAN members … felt we had many, many good and great policies but our narrative around them was problematic,”…..
“Creating a narrative that connects with voters was identified as most important to win an election.”….
“Labor’s policies were generally well received by the climate change, environment and renewables ‘industries’,” the submission notes.
“This support, however, didn’t translate to the voting public.”
So to our pacific neighbours- You don’t want to listen to the spin of lefties either particularly diehard Commies as doing so slaughters and inters millions.
My 2 bob’s worth.
Firstly
Australia’s BOM has installed tide guages at several pacific islands. Data from these gauges show little or no rise.
Secondly
If Australia has to cut its emissions then do should the pacific islands cut a commensurate amount. Ok they don’t have coal but they do rely heavily on hydrocarbon fuels (diesel for transport and electricity and jet fuel)
Let them consider their options of doing something for themselves and ban tourist ships and jets visiting. Just do the maths and see the damage to their economic and compare that to the climate benefits that are actually achieved
Please explain how burning fossil fuels cause sea levels to rise. Proof of causation required, not reeeeee.
Burning fossil fuels doesn’t cause temperature OR sea levels to rise. Just more extrapolations of the “hypothetical bullshit.”
China buys a LOT of ore from Australia…I would be more careful about my relationships if I were China.
The islander’s just want more free stuff…typical. Let them deal with China and end up a part of that growing empire – then see how they like communism.
The U.S. could help EVERYONE out by investing in MSR technologies, and then exporting the construction. Good for the U.S., good for our allies, and good for the environment (as opposed to covering the country side with giant spinning turbines, giant arrays of mirrors, and square miles of glass waiting to be broken).
“China appears to have fanned the flames of Pacific Islander anger over Australia’s failure to provide heaps of extra money embrace a more pro-active approach to helping Pacific Islanders prepare for global warming.”
Prepare for warming? It’s supposed to be already happening and has been for several decades which suggests they have sat on their hands waiting for the handout of free money!
The prime ministers of many South Pacific nations, being critical of Australia for not providing more money to assist them with probable affects of climate change, is indicative of their “cargo cult” mentality. And, we also have our own Obama of the South West Pacific, Jacinta Ardern; NZ’s PM joining in, which assist China’s economic take over of these nations with the Belt and Road initiative.
These nations never tell the world how they generate their own electrical power do they – from diesel generators or that satellite images indicate that they are currently not affected by rising sea levels as they claim.
Australia could everything it could possibly do to combat what it believes are human causes of climate change….but it would effectively accomplish absolutely nothing globally. It wouldn’t even be discernible from the noise.
China Criticises Australia for Not Doing Enough about Climate Change:
China has its own “environmental problems” with Hong Kong, this rocky island that was once occupied by the British Merchant Navy to expand the British Empires’ business.
When the brits realized that they had nothing to offer the citizens of the Chinese Empire needed, the British flooded the Chinese Empire with opium by gunboat politics – which almost destroyed the 2000 years old Chinese civilization.
The descendants of these Hong Kong combattants of the British occupiers are now rebelling against their own country – which was almost ruined by their ancestors.
the “shame” is still with those “white men” that today point their fingers on China.
I don’t agree that the “shame” is still with those “white men” that today point their fingers on China. That is like trying to blame the current Japanese population for the sins of their grandfathers in WW2, which is a lot nearer in time than the Opium Wars of 150-200 years ago. Or any other example that could be raised of historical perspective in one race against another, even Europeans against fellow Europeans. There are a lot of examples by a lot of peoples and ethnic groups causing harm to others over the ages. What are you proposing, that we just now give China a pass to do whatever they want to do in the 21st century because they were harmed in the past?
We don’t want a repeat of historical transgressions against anyone in this century, which happened by nearly everyone to someone throughout some time scale and I find your logic totally racist against all present day white people of what happened to China by those in power in the British empire circa 1831. The whole point is that while we recognize all that did happen by various Gov’ts and ethnic groups against other ethnic groups, we now want to end that cycle of violence against others in this day and age. That includes China dominating anyone they can just because they are now stronger than they have been in centuries.
Unfortunately if the Chinese communists were going to moderate their behavior in such an enlightened way it would have occurred already, at home first. The CCP are interested only in remaining in power, in their dictate, and in their communist system and hierarchy’s preservation above all else.
It looks like the chip-on-the-shoulder routine of blaming also the descendants for past wrongs will continue. If the CCP were not still ruling in China, there might have been a chance for a different outcome and sentiment. It’s a pity they did not also fold and go away with the Soviet Union.
In that respect, how the Chinese mainland and external Chinese now respond to Beijing’s threats to use para-military forces once again against Chinese popular dissent, will determine a lot of the trajectory of what occurs externally thereafter and how ugly things become with delusional and opportunistic Pacific neighbors.
Moving right along ….
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2019/08/your-move-president-xi/
The USA also suffered at the hands of the British in its early days. When George Washington won the Revolutionary War against the British, he had the opportunity to make himself king, people would have done whatever he asked.
If Washington had demanded that he be President for Life, nobody would have said no to him.
But Washington chose to do something greater. He gave his power back to the people, and founded the United States of America.
Strong people can also be good people.
“But Washington chose to do something greater. He gave his power back to the people, and founded the United States of America.”
Contrast that with Barack Obama who tried to steal the power from the American people through his efforts to undermne the U.S. Constitution and a presidential election with the aim of preventing Trump from getting elected, and when that didn’t work the aim was switched to trying to get Trump removed from Office using the power of the Federal Governent as a political weapon.
“the “shame” is still with those “white men” that today point their fingers on China.”
All those guilty white people are dead. Those pointing fingers today didn’t force opium on the Chinese, and thus should feel no guilt over crimes they had nothing to do with..
China has more than doubled their CO2 output since 2002 when they past the USA.
Their efforts toward the “Global Climate Crisis” are laughable, but first, they should try merely cleaning the air in China to a minimum level of breathability. Till then, don’t even pretend to use the “Global Climate Crisis” as a method to gain economic advantage.
Thats hysterical Pooh boy. If anyone had any doubts about your credibility, they are gone now.
Guess my card is marked now for when the Chinese invade. Oh well, its been a nice life.
“The descendants of these Hong Kong combattants of the British occupiers are now rebelling against their own country – which was almost ruined by their ancestors.”
All those beneficent sweetness and light Imperial Dynasty rulers culminating in Chairman Mao you seem to have amnesia about-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasties_in_Chinese_history
Welcome to country Hong Kongers but they’re all being manipulated by dastardly white men now. As for that old dead bearded white guy his mum called Karl well that’s different. LOL.
Pacific islanders will have little knowledge of Achaean history & the significance of the wooden horse of Troy. Nor will they be aware that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has stated that 97% of CO2 in the atmosphere is naturally produced, which means 3% is produced by human activity. Of that 3%, Australia produces just 1.5%.
China uses mendacious calumnies to spread discord amongst those whose relatively unsophisticated awareness of the ploys & blandishments of a totalitarian government, results in the Pacific islanders mistakenly volunteering to shackle themselves with Chinese manacles. You cannot legislate stupidity out of the stupid.
“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us’.”- Saint Anthony the Great (c251-356 CE).
I guess the phrase that most clearly sums up the position now adopted by China regarding its desire to achieve authority in the Pacific is “divide and conquer”.
For those who haven’t visited Australia in recent years, it is worth noting, the major Australian cities are now more Chinese that European.
My three year old grandson who had spent a week on holiday in Hong Kong, a month earlier asked, are we in Hong Kong when we arrived in Melbourne. It wasn’t the high rise building that prompted that innocent question. It was all the attention he was getting on the street from the Chinese people passing by.
My point is, China has massive reach and physical presence across the world and particularly in Australasia.
It is also worth noting, the population of Hong Kong and Shenzhen together forming a continuous metropolis, is greater than the whole of Australia….
The latest piece of theatre by the Chinese leader, has nothing to do with climate change per se, other than, it provides a convenient stick ready to use when needed.
That’s the way totalitarians roll folks.
Its increasingly obvious that much of the chatter on alarmist forums (such as the Guardian and Ars Technica) is Chinese lobbying, one assumes paid for. Any suggestion that China is in any way responsible for the worlds emissions, is burning and mining a lot of coal, is increasing rather than decreasing its emissions…. and you will be buried in an avalanche of abuse from the lobby.
The same people will repeat endlessly that we have anything between 2 and 10 years to save the planet by moving to wind and solar for all electricity generation, and that anything less than zero emissions will lead to the end of civilization.
They will then without missing a beat furiously reject any suggestion that this might require China actually to reduce the tonnage it emits, actually to reduce its use and extraction of coal.
Its impossible to avoid the conclusion that this is a huge paid lobbying effort to dominate social media and advocate the de-industrialization of the West.
Chinas strategy is pretty clear. Just as we have seen in the South China Sea, they are acutely aware of their lack of long range strike capability with no Aircraft carrier fleet. They wish to build military bases in the South Pacific so they need allies there which means making them dependant on Chinese money not Australian money.
If they achieve this they will have a military presence between Australia and the USA which both weakens the Pacific alliance and places them in a stronger position to negotiate over Australia’s resources.
So China is really, actually technically confiscating Australian coal just so to stop Aussies burning it and degrading the environment and air quality? “Sure, we’ll burn it for you”.
Best crappiest attempt at virtue signalling evah. I’m sure none of this has anything to do with Pacific expansionism and wanting potential drilling rights for methane hydrate in people’s backyards in the future. None whatsoever…ahem.
This has nothing to do with Climate Change(tm).
This has everything to do with China gaining political leverage.
If these nations are foolish enough to go down this part one of the first actions China will take will be to ensure that the airports are big enough to operate Chinese air force “CO2” monitoring aircraft.
Napoleon said that if an enemy makes a mistake you better not tell him. Mr Xi takes it a step further: he actually encourages his opponents in their mistakes.
Hi Mr Xi.
Thank you for your advice. Whilst you are there, could you tell me what the Chinese word for ‘hypocrisy’ is, assuming it is a concept you recognise.
When you feed pigeons, you get more pigeons. Cut back on the food and they attack.
Remember that when giving money as a charitable act. After a while, you’re the bad guy for cutting back the money regardless of the reason.
Too good an opportunity for China to pass up, appealing to fears of warming from UNFCCC Figueres’s favoured system for dealing with it. Surely the irony was not lost on the Chinese. who would much rather have access to territory than money anyway. Shame on NZ for playing right into their hands.
Xi Jinping kinda overdid his lipstick…..
Good catch. lol
Crazy back at you Australia. So there.