Failure on National Grid network affects train services and road users
Large parts of England and Wales have been left without electricity following a major power cut, electricity network operators have said, with a serious impact reported on rail and road services, including city traffic lights.
Passengers were shut out of some of the country’s busiest train stations during the Friday evening rush hour, while hundreds of thousands of homes were left without electricity after what the National Grid described as a problem with two generators.
The British Transport police said officers were asked to help as services on the east coast mainline were suspended, with many customers being advised not to travel; and London’s Euston station, the southern hub for the west coast mainline, was closed because of “exceptionally high passenger numbers”. The outage was reportedly also affecting other rail services and traffic lights.
Shortly before 6.30pm, a National Grid spokesperson said the generator issues had caused “loss of power in selected UK areas”. The spokesperson said the issue was “now resolved” and the system had returned to normal.
About 500,000 customers in Wales, south-west England and the Midlands were affected and 300,000 customers in south-east England were left without power, the local distributors said. A further 110,000 in Yorkshire and north-east England were affected, alongside about 26,000 in north-west England, according to the electricity distributors in those areas.
There won’t be at the moment – all lines are blocked between London and Welwyn. Will update you as soon as I can.
-ZG
— Hull Trains (@Hull_Trains) August 9, 2019
Enappsys, an energy consultancy, said the blackout may have been caused by the unexpected shutdowns of the Hornsea offshore wind farm, which is owned by the Danish wind farm company Orsted, and the Little Barford gas-fired power plant, owned by German utility giant RWE.
National Grid data showed both of the generators dropped from the grid at around the same time. The twin outages caused a sudden loss of frequency of the electricity grid, to below 49Hz, which would have caused certain parts of the network to disconnect automatically, causing the power cuts.
https://twitter.com/MarisaOrRisa/status/1159870080324423680
⚠️ #TLUpdates – Trains are currently at a stand between Farringdon & Bedford.
This is having a wider impact to services across the whole network. More information once we have it.
Full details, service updates, travel advice & ticket acceptance ℹ️👇https://t.co/iYMraBkjSy
— Thameslink (@TLRailUK) August 9, 2019
I had a look at:
http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
but have difficulties reading the blackout event from the charts. Somebody help explain, please.
The display there is a current display – showing only the latest readings [output and demand].
To examine past events, it is necessary to download data [top left, a light blue download button]; this is in 5 minute intervals [like the updates to the gauges].
Having done this, it is clear that about 1600-1605 GMT [so 1700-1705 British Summer Time], a fairly interesting – if not unexpected – event took place. Wind and CC Gas power dropped very sharply; Hydro leapt by three fold, some 600 MW.
My take is that, although this could be a directly wind-related failure, and noting the reluctance of some sites to blame the unicorn-dust, there is not, yet, any clear cause of this put out to the public.
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The journalist Ross Clark writing in Saturday’s Telegraph reports: “Just before the power cut at 4.17pm yesterday, ESO (i.e. National Grid) put out a tweet boasting a new record: that 47.6% of the nation’s electricity was being generated by wind.”
Now, call me a cynic but I am deeply suspicious about why the BBC etc hasn’t been trumpeting this “unprecedented” statistic all over the planet, every hour. Could it be that this electricity breakdown will prove to have resulted from the very significant instability of wind power that grid engineers have been warning our ridiculous governments about for years?
Spot on. It seems they were prepared to risk low levels of grid inertia in pursuit of the record, which came to bite them on the posterior when the wind farm transmission line to shore tripped out and they couldn’t slow the decline in grid frequency fast enough to prevent blackouts. Now they’ve done their little experiment, expect them to be more judicious about curtailing wind in low demand situations and running more spinning reserve and inertia providing conventional generators.
And many cars lost to the floods as well.
What happens to a fleet of electric cars when they’re submerged? Not an unusual occurrence in the UK.
A shorted Li-On battery isn’t a good thing.
From Zoom Zoom to Boom Boom ? lol
From alBBC
“National Grid has said it will “learn the lessons” after nearly one million people across England and Wales lost power on Friday.
But director of operations Duncan Burt told the BBC that its systems “worked well” after the “incredibly rare event” of two power stations disconnecting.”
He said he did not believe that a cyber-attack or unpredictable wind power generation were to blame.
Nice inclusion of the diversionary “cyber-attack”. No doubt the Russians will be fingered in the fullness of time.
Wonderful mental pictures of Russians being fingered. Reminds me of the wartime news headline “British push bottles up Germans”
The most likely weak link in the chain, seems to be the reliance on the power from the offshore wind farm, Hornsea One. It is still being built, but is in parts operational.
This statement was made recently by the owners. “However, in the half yearly results published earlier this week, president and chief executive Henrik Poulsen did sound a note of caution, stating how the company was “not fully satisfied with generation in the first half year where the number of outages and curtailments across the portfolio has been higher than normal”. Availability of the wind farm fleet dropped two per cent over like-for-like periods.”
So it could be that in the dash for green, the National Grid relied on an as yet unproved power source.
Good here, innit…_
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/huge-uk-power-cut-involved-3195918
That’s a very good report: sticking to facts and avoiding misleading speculation.
I wasn’t stuck on a train in London so can be more sanguine about it, though it was annoying that neighbors alarms went off when power came back on.
Perhaps it was a good thing in that it reminds everyone about the importance of a stable electricity supply and that politicians and greens mess with it at their peril.
A couple of years ago the head of the National Grid said in an interview that in future we would only have electricity when it was available. Welcome to his world.
Couldn’t happen to nicer people on that funny island!
A great week it were!
First BA IT system goes t..ts up,so those who wanted to go ON HOLIDAY were stranded.
Next thing that happens, people who want to gGO HOME FROM WORK on Friday eve can’t because the grid goes t..ts up.
It all smacks of a country of maximum (in)-competence, like another greeny spotted peeing in the pees to give “added flavour” to the mix.
Where’s John Cleese to give the final laugh to this all?
Lucky they’re leaving the EU, no doubt the Macron greeny toad will push the premium price of all them VOLTS crossing the channel from Frog nuclear ‘lectric thru the roof, once he gets it in his silly mind to punish the Brits for leaving.
More than 50% of of the UK power supply capacity is in EU companies ownership
EON – German utility
EDF – French state
Scottish Power – Spanish Iberdrola
NPower -German Innogy
So they had better start behaving if they want to continue doing business here. There’s been plenty of companies trying to bully the UK Government and UK Voters about the terrible consequences of us leaving. Maybe they should also start familiarising themselves with WTO trade rules.
And on the other side of the trade coin, like the rest of the world, (sorry about the incoming shouting) WE DON’T NEED PERMISSION TO BUY ANYTHING FROM EU COUNTRIES. WE BUY MORE FROM THEM, THAN THEY DO FROM US.
Add in Statkraft/Equinor, Ørsted (the owner of Hornsea wind farm) and many others in the renewables game.
John Cleese left the UK some years ago because of the very things you talk of. He’s taken up residence in the West Indies.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/11/pge-wins-court-case-allowing-it-to-renegotiate-34-billion-in-renewable-energy-contracts/#comment-2721666
Told you so – 17 YEARS AGO!
The four most beautiful words in our common language: “I told you so.”
– Gore Vidal, October 3, 1925 – July 31, 2012
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/23/irony-can-be-so-ironic-grid-storage-increases-carbon-emissions/#comment-2412177
We published in 2002:
“THE ULTIMATE AGENDA OF PRO-KYOTO ADVOCATES IS TO ELIMINATE FOSSIL FUELS, BUT THIS WOULD RESULT IN A CATASTROPHIC SHORTFALL IN GLOBAL ENERGY SUPPLY – THE WASTEFUL, INEFFICIENT ENERGY SOLUTIONS PROPOSED BY KYOTO ADVOCATES SIMPLY CANNOT REPLACE FOSSIL FUELS.”
Source:
DEBATE ON THE KYOTO ACCORD
PEGG, reprinted in edited form at their request by several other professional journals, the Globe and Mail and La Presse in translation, by Baliunas, Patterson and MacRae.
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf
Wind and solar power do NOT contribute significant economic (dispatchable) electric power to the grid.
This is a simple, proved hypothesis, yet tens of trillions of dollars have been wasted globally on this green energy nonsense.
So next time, good people, please listen to your Uncle Allan, who cares for your well-being, and does not want you to waste trillions on foolish green energy schemes/scams – just to drive up energy costs, reduce grid reliability, and needlessly increase Winter Deaths – that is the job of our idiot leftist politicians – if you ever voted for any of these leftist idiots, please just do not vote anymore because you are ‘way too stupid to vote – thank you for your kind consideration!
To try to get this message across to the lower-end of the intellectual spectrum, especially our politicians, I rephrased the message about a decade ago:
“WIND POWER – IT DOESN’T JUST BLOW – IT SUCKS!”
“SOLAR POWER – STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE!”
It seems to s-l-o-w-l-y be working! 🙂
____________________________
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/29/collapse-of-wind-power-threatens-germanys-green-energy-transition/#comment-2756579
Dennis Sandberg wrote:
“Additional renewable’s for the German grid can only further destabilize it. Each additional 1000 MW of renewable capacity enables retiring 5 MW of “Fossil Fuels”, a net 5% fuel saving.”
All correct, thank you Dennis. These facts were written in the highly credible report “Wind Report 2005”, published that year by E.ON Netz of Germany, then the largest wind power generator in the world. That report is cited below and the pertinent words are quoted verbatim.
We knew all this in 2005 – I published similar thoughts in 2002, and yet here we are, with ten of trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of lives squandered, based on false climate hysteria and intermittent, diffuse green energy nonsense.
So my question is:
ARE OUR GOVERNMENT LEADERS AND THEIR ADVISORS REALLY THAT STUPID, as even today they parrot global warming and green energy falsehoods, or do they have a darker, more sinister agenda?
My conclusion is that they are knowingly trying to destroy our Western economies, to turn our countries into serfdoms with themselves at the helm, the new kings of a totalitarian world.
If you think this is an outlandish hypothesis, look around. More than half the people in the world already live under such oppression. Venezuela and Zimbabwe are fully destroyed, as is much of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Continental Europe is failing due to green energy fiascos and unchecked immigration, and Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the USA are all under attack. The popular media keeps repeating the same green energy falsehoods, and suppresses and distorts dissent from the few skeptics who dare to speak out.
Canada, led by a child-prince with no apparent education or intellect and surrounded by ultra-green, uber-left energy advisors, is not Canada anymore. We are Canazuela, part way to the economic ruin that has devastated Venezuela, once the most prosperous country in Latin America due to its heavy-oil resources.
Regards, Allan
____________________
Reference: E.ON Netz Wind Report 2005
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wp-content/uploads/eonwindreport2005.pdf
(apparently no longer available from E.ON Netz website).
This is a really old post I wrote – probably circa 2005 to 2008:
Quote:
The Duke has it right – the fatal flaw of wind power is that it requires almost 100% backup capacity from conventional power stations.
This is even true of very large, country-wide distributed grids.
Willis, to verify, check Figure 7 of the E.On Netz Wind Report 2005 that I emailed you today, which refers to Germany’s power grid.
E.On Netz was in 2005, and may still be, the largest wind power generator in the world.
(Quote from Wind Report 2005)
Fig 7. Falling substitution capacity
The more wind power capacity is in the grid, the lower the percentage of traditional generation it can replace.
As wind power capacity rises, the lower availability of the wind farms determines the reliability of the system as a whole to an ever increasing extent. Consequently the greater reliability of traditional power stations becomes increasingly eclipsed.
As a result, the relative contribution of wind power to the guaranteed capacity of our supply system up to the year 2020 will fall continuously to around 4% (FIGURE 7).
In concrete terms, this means that in 2020, with a forecast wind power capacity of over 48,000MW (Source: dena grid study), 2,000MW of traditional power production can be replaced by these wind farms.
(End of quote)
Also, wind power can dangerously destabilize the entire power grid. See Figure 5 & 6 in the same report.
(Quote)
FIGURE 5 shows the annual curve of wind power feed-in in the E.ON control area for 2004, from which it is possible to derive the wind power feed-in during the past year:
1. The highest wind power feed-in in the E.ON grid was just above 6,000MW for a brief period, or put another way the feed-in was around 85% of the installed wind power capacity at the time.
2. The average feed-in over the year was 1,295MW, around one fifth of the average installed wind power capacity over the year.
3. Over half of the year, the wind power feed-in was less than 14% of the average installed wind power capacity over the year.
The feed-in capacity can change frequently within a few hours. This is shown in FIGURE 6, which reproduces the course of wind power feedin during the Christmas week from 20 to 26 December 2004.
Whilst wind power feed-in at 9.15am on Christmas Eve reached its maximum for the year at 6,024MW, it fell to below 2,000MW within only 10 hours, a difference of over 4,000MW. This corresponds to the capacity of 8 x 500MW coal fired power station blocks. On Boxing Day, wind power feed-in in the E.ON grid fell to below 40MW.
Handling such significant differences in feed-in levels poses a major challenge to grid operators.
(End of quote)
This reliable information has been available for years, and has been ignored. I know this is true, because I published it online and in newspaper articles, starting in 2002.
A trillion dollars [now tens of trillions of dollars] has been squandered worldwide on climate hysteria, much of it on nonsensical wind power. Jesus wept.
*****************
Allan, I have an anecdote about the Minister for Energy and Climate change on a post up on Independence Daily. Briefly, he didn’t know that you use electrical power or you store it. No wonder we’re in trouble.
JF
ALLAN
I could do with some help dealing with our government.
Short version: I wrote to my MP with some facts about the £1Tn legacy Theresa May left us. I had a BS reply, from our Minister for Energy and Clean Growth, Chris Skidmore, via my MP and I would like to respond but I don’t have the scientific credibility to do so.
If you’re up for it, I will post a once used email address here for you to respond to so I can send you the details.
Thanks.
HotScot.
OK HotScot – or contact me through my website – click on my name above.
Here are recent papers that may help, but don’t expect your government to make sense – they typically just repeat the same nonsense.
Best, Allan
Jul 20, 2019
WHAT THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS REALLY ABOUT — AND IT’S NOT THE CLIMATE
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/20/what-the-green-new-deal-is-really-about-and-its-not-the-climate/
Jul 04, 2019
THE COST TO SOCIETY OF RADICAL ENVIRONMENTALISM
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/04/the-cost-to-society-of-radical-environmentalism/
Jun 15, 2019
CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY
by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., P.Eng.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/
May 25, 2019
SCIENCE’S UNTOLD SCANDAL: THE LOCKSTEP MARCH OF PROFESSIONAL SOCIETIES TO PROMOTE THE CLIMATE CHANGE SCARE
By Tom Harris and Dr. Jay Lehr
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/25/sciences-untold-scandal-the-lockstep-march-of-professional-societies-to-promote-the-climate-change-scare/
April 14, 2019
HYPOTHESIS: RADICAL GREENS ARE THE GREAT KILLERS OF OUR AGE
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/14/hypothesis-radical-greens-are-the-great-killers-of-our-age/
If you look at https://gridwatch.co.uk/ the revamped site, today – Sat 10th August, and look at yesterdays chart, titled “Yesterday (10 Minute Averages)” and look at 16:10, (times are GMT) you will see a dip in wind output.
Wind output and times are:
GMT GW
15:50 8.92
16:00 8.05
16:10 7.94
16:20 8.14
16:30 8.43
16:40 8.53
16:50 8.48
17:00 8.45
You can see the averaged lowest output was 16:10 (17:10 local) but averages can hide a lot of data.
Wind was providing around 8.9 before the problem occurred.
Currently it looks like the wind farm tripped and they could not make up the loss quickly enough so they shed some load (London!!). Not sure why the second generator tripped. It is not visible in the gridwatch averaged output. But conventional generators can always respond more quickly than wind, so any conventional loss of a few seconds would be missed from our view.
One strange ting the BBC and sky news reported was that when a train stops due to loss of track power, a technician is needed to reboot the train systems. Bizarre! (that is each train) which is why the trains took a long time to get going again after just a 20 minute power down.
I used to chuckle at the great South Australian black out, but it has now reached the shores of the UK.
Apparently the gas-fired turbine was in idle mode, and couldn’t ramp up fast enough to meet the sudden demand so shut down. Welcome to the Brave New Greenie World.
Echoes of Chernobyl only without the radioactivity.
This is from http://www.bmreports.com ‘Generation by fuel type’.
Time CCGT Wind Pumped (Dinorwig)
15:50:00 8473 8948 293
15:55:00 8547 8896 313
16:00:00 8172 8037 958
16:05:00 8086 8061 582
16:10:00 8051 7912 480
Times in UTC on 2019/08/09. The numbers are MW. So, both the CCGT and Wind dropped preciptately. Dinorwig pumped storage picked up some of the shortfall but couldn’t prevent the frequency drop, then other capacity picked up the load on a slower timescale but by that time a lot of the load had already been shed. Why London came off so badly I don’t know. They must have their frequency-sensitive shedding relays set rather sensitively (lots of frequency-sensitive load that would be damaged otherwise?)
The odd thing about the Gridwatch data and the BM Reports data on which it is based is that there is a disconnect between the reported times of the drop in power generation and the real event, which started at 15:52:32Z (Zulu, or GMT), as revealed by frequency data. Just one of the questions that National Grid need to answer.
I think they have to re-boot the train’s computer because everything on-board is computer-controlled. Wasn’t it nice when we relied on resistors and contactors?
Imagine if this power failure happened during a cold winter – it will, unless drastic steps are taken ASAP.
This green energy debacle was all predictable AND PREDICTED – by me and others.
Regards, Allan
_________________________
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/10/ee-democrat-climate-change-committee-members-own-shares-in-fossil-fuel-companies/#comment-2621626
Excerpt from the article:
“I don’t agree with the Democrat public position on climate change, I think genuine action to shut down fossil fuel would be terrible for the US economy, which is currently booming thanks to the flood of cheap energy unleashed by President Trump and the previous Republican Congress and current Republican dominated Senate.”
It is even clearer than that, for the USA and for the world:
Fossil fuels comprise fully 85% of global primary energy, unchanged in decades, and unlikely to change in future decades. Ban fossil fuels and ~everyone in the developed world is dead in a month. The remaining 15% of global primary energy is almost all hydro and nuclear.
Despite many trillions in squandered subsidies, global green energy has increased from above 1% to below 2% is recent decades.
My concern, as an energy expert, is that intermittent energy from wind and/or solar power cannot supply the grid with reliable, uninterrupted power. These so-called green energy technologies are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, because they require almost 100% conventional backup from fossil fuels, nuclear or hydro for periods when the wind does not blow and the Sun does not shine.
Green energy does not even reduce CO2 emissions, because of the need for almost 100% conventional spinning reserve. There is no current grid-scale “super-battery” technology that can economically solve the intermittency problem, except for Pumped Storage that requires special siting that exists in only a few places in the world. My home province of Alberta covers 662,000 sq. km in area, larger than many countries, and we have exactly ZERO sites suitable for pumped storage – we have no sites suitable for hydro dams with a large reservoir at the bottom of the dam.
SO HERE IS MY “EXPERT SOLUTION” TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF INTERMITTENCY IN WIND AND SOLAR POWER:
1. Build your wind or solar power system and connect it to the grid.
2. Build your back-up system consisting of 100% equivalent capacity in gas turbine generators.
3. Using high explosives, blow your wind or solar power system all to hell.
4. Run your back-up gas turbine generators 24/7.
5. To save even more money, skip steps 1 and 3. 🙂
A final note of humour – the extremists are now claiming that this numbing cold spell is caused by global warming – yes, really! But none of the global warming alarmists predicted this cold. They said “kids would not know what snow looked like anymore” and other such nonsense.
In 2002 I predicted a return to global cooling, such as was experienced from ~1940 to 1977, to recommence by 2020 to 2030. Solar activity in SC24 has crashed – it is the lowest solar cycle since the Dalton Minimum circa 1800, when much of Napoléon’s Grande Armée of 680,000 men froze to death in the Russian campaign.
Try to stay warm during this current cold blast from the North. Cold kills, and cold weather kills 20 times more people globally than hot and warm weather. Excess Winter Deaths in the USA average about 100,000 per year – equivalent to two 9-11’s per week for 17 weeks every year. Remember that when someone tells you “we’re all going to die from global warming”. Earth is cooler-than-optimum for humanity and the environment.
Regards to all, Allan
Great plan, Allan!
I love it!
It could be like “Cinco De Maya” celebrations. Only we burn wind and solar effigies instead.
And the running operating grid reserve at this time was ? Like 6% or less ? Is this is the dirty little secret behind it all ?
Another uneasy question is how to provide predictable reliable grid reserve with weather dependent energy sources.
They should have had at least contingency on losing the French interconnector which was running at 1GW at the time. But what caught them out was that the lack of grid inertia was such that the frequency fell to load shedding levels before any reserve could get going, and the loss of the CCGT about 30 seconds after the wind farm became too much.
I think the problem was the slew rate rather than the absolute loss of power.
Normally losing 1.5GW with a demand of 30GW or what have you would just result in a lot of spinning mass slowly spinning down. Giving time to ramp up hydro and any spinning reserve; What seems to have happened in this case was that there was so little conventional kit online that what there was spun down hard, and that made for a massive drop in frequency. At that point that tripped load shedding. And I suspect that when load shed areas were reconnected, the same thing happened again,. because there were a lot of blackouts at different times.
I have it on authority that the grid is supposed to be able to cope with this. And there have been plenty of ‘assurances’ that it can.
There may be some good news. The current minster in charge of this is Andrea Leadsom, and she actually has been heard using the word ‘dispatch’ as if she understood what it meant.
I think she will get to the bottom of this.
In other worlds, they ran out of altitude and speed both at the same time when they lost some engines.
So what was the meaning of cruising the national grid that low ?
Hey, these are fundamental energy things one learns at school.
Gimme a break already, random weather dependent sources produce random weather dependent contributions. How do one master Cos(phi), the reactive power that is, in a grid powered by PWM driven inverters attached to random sources ?
The whole things gets downright scary, imagine, hospitals, schools, tunnels, airports, the entire safety factor of a reliable grid shifting that close to zero.
No need tactical war operations, green goons are top-notch commando force in strategic sabotage.
We need more flywheels.
Britain is locked in a deadly power struggle between incompetence and deceit. Will one of these triumph or will some kind of coalition emerge? A brutal drama to rival Game of Thrones.
Wrong.
Britain is locked in a deadly power struggle between incompetence and deceit, and people who are desperately trying to restore democracy and fact based pragmatic policies.
“WUT: Elizabeth May Says Humanity Must “Transition Off Fossil Fuels” Before The (Canadian) October Election”
https://www.spencerfernando.com/2019/08/09/wut-elizabeth-may-says-humanity-must-transition-off-fossil-fuels-before-the-october-election/?fbclid=IwAR3aqryDcfQRJtuuj0kePTVaB1ezwuheGNB7Y4wNhgozaiYscUtO0sQn6SU
Seriously ? Now we only have 2 months left ?
If by some illegal miracle the liberals get re-elected, then America, i’m coming back home to Trump’s World…
Get Used to it.
This will be a common problem with “Renewable Energy.
If you do not have a UPS for your desktop. Buy one.
According to the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets (Ofgem), the crisis began when a gas fired power station at Little Barford failed at 4.58pm, followed two minutes later by the Hornsea Offshore wind farm in the North Sea. Despite service being restored within 15 minutes, the impact of the disruption is still being felt today.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7343681/Government-launches-probe-mysterious-power-cut.html
OFGEM is I think incorrect. See my post below for why.
“One strange ting the BBC and sky news reported was that when a train stops due to loss of track power, a technician is needed to reboot the train systems”
You should see what happens when their stoopid onboard computer goes down.
(single point of failure land on steroids!).
The train is forbidden to move because the heads-up display goes out.
“ealff and safety” have then decreed, if the signals can’t be displayed on the !^@ur momisugly^!~@ur momisugly heads-up display, the train is not safe enough to be driven… I Kid you not!
So some numpty has to come along and try to reboot the dang thing (which may not work!).
Of course the fact trains have been able to do this all since the 19th century don’t matter to the HSE.
They have decreed, therefore the train will not move.
I lived thru one of these, then again stoopid onboard computer dropped out the lights further down the line (at night), so IDEM happened all over again.
With this mentality no progress can ever be made, and we haven’t even thought of what happens if there is a “carrington event”!
Will be same old story + “we are learning lessons” crap.
Apparently it was two generators failing at the same time, although originally it was suggested that the wind farm failed as a result of the failure 2 minutes earlier of little Barford https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49302996
Is it possibly that it is becoming clear that the stampede of stupids is now trampling all over the lives of ordinary people?
weird:
in may 2008 similar happened:
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/ofgem-publications/41426/nationalgrid-systemeventsof27mayfordswg16july.pdf
except 2 stations gave total of 1582MW lost and other back up systems failed
outage corrected after 7 hours
Yesterday
Little Barford Power Station is a 740 MWe gas-fired power station
Hornsea 1.2GW wind farm
disconnect almost simultaneously
1.8 GW lost and they have learned nothing since 2008.
and of course even more people affected
Power outage as seen by grid watch
of interest:
total loss 1.5 GW approx.
Why did the pumped storage cover losses of only 750MW temporarily when 1.3GW was available.
If the system cannot handle 1.5GW loss then what happens if Hinkley C trips 1.6GW per reactor. 3.2GW total.
You have be to careful with understanding the data, which are only given at 5 minute intervals. Events kicked off in the middle of one of those, and a minute later large load shedding cuts had come into force, so the demand to be met was reduced by the time the interval ended.
The problem really was that the system was unable to respond rapidly enough to prevent the grid frequency reaching blackout trip levels.
I’ve done a lot of research on this, looking at the data from National Grid at BM Reports, Gridwatch, and a very helpful frequency chart at 1 second resolution from Upside Energy, a small company providing experimental token grid stabilisation services using distributed systems (a potential precursor to such things as V2G). You can see that their effort was very prompt but puny at under 6MW for about 3 minutes in this chart they tweeted
Here’s what I found:
I think the conclusive answer to the question is yes – the blackout’s primary cause was the sudden loss of output from Hornsea wind farm, though the precise cause of that remains unknown at this stage: likely candidates are a failure at the offshore transmission platform where the voltage is boosted to 220kV, somewhere along the cable to shore, or at the grid connection point (at Killingholme on the Humber) onshore. The really damning evidence comes in this tweet that shows grid frequency based on 1 second data:
The extremely rapid initial drop in frequency at 15:52:32Z to below the statutory minimum of 49.5Hz is compatible with the drop in wind generation of about 850MW recorded in grid 5 minute data (although there appear to be timing discrepancies between the frequency and power data – but I would regard the frequency data as conclusive, especially with wind). That is followed by a small bounce as the grid starts to try to recover, before a further smaller collapse in frequency to the nadir at around 48.8Hz, which is entirely consistent with the smaller drop in CCGT output recorded in grid data that suggest that Little Barford was probably operating at about 50% of its 727MW capacity. There is a major grid transmission line that runs from Keadby near Killingholme past Little Barford at St. Neots and on to the transmission ring around the North of London. It is almost certain that this power line was delivering power from the wind farm towards London. When that failed, there would have been a sudden extra demand on Little Barford, which would have caused its frequency to drop and that (if not the already rapid drop in grid frequency) would have tripped it out of operation.
Do not be deceived by the reported outage times on the plants. The formal record shows that Little Barford announced it had zero capacity at 15:55:37Z w.e.f. 15:57:40Z (compare with the chart above). Hornsea is shown as having zero capacity w.e.f. 16:00:00Z – which is a highly unlikely timing, except that it coincides with the start of the next settlement period. That report was not submitted until 16:19:48Z, over 20 minutes after the main event. By 16:00Z the grid frequency chart shows that balance had been restored by the combination of load shedding and running up Dinorwig pumped storage to nearly 1GW, OCGT rapid response, and diesel STOR. It seems that management decided not to report the real time of the loss of power for reasons that might vary between inadequate monitoring systems, or a failure to understand the need to report the true time rather than the next half hour settlement period time, or simply to lie to cover up having reviewed the evidence.
That these disturbances caused such a rapid and severe frequency drop that triggered load shedding is entirely due to the lack of grid inertia caused by the high proportion of generation from wind and solar, which had been running at over 40% most of the day. A 2016 presentation from National Grid has a chart that shows the relationship between the rate of change of frequency that can be expected for different amounts of load loss at different levels of grid inertia: it suggests that they were sailing far too close to the wind. You can think of grid inertia as the flywheel energy stored in the rotating heavy generator turbines. It is measured in GVA.s, which you can think of as gigawatt-seconds. Divide by the level of grid demand, and it tells you how long the energy would last if it instantaneously could become the only source of power on the grid. That gives a measure of the response speed required from backup generation (spinning reserve, fast start, grid batteries etc.) if grid frequency is to stay within limits that avoid blackouts. You have to suspect that at Grid HQ in Wokingham, they will be thinking about having a larger level of spinning reserve, and about curtailing wind to ensure that there is more inertia.
I note that today the formal record of the timing of the shutdowns has magically disappeared. More questions to be answered.
Yesterday was a very windy day, earlier in the day the NG was bragging that 50% of electricity was generated by wind farms. A VIP visited the NG operations during mid afternoon. Question is: did the NG take out some other generator out to demonstrate the renewable potential?
Later in the afternoon wind in the N. Sea got to strong and the wind farm may had to power down, and during the process the nearby gas and steam-fired power station in Cambridgeshire took extra load and drooped out. Just sayin..
First rate report and entirely consistent with all I have been able to hear.
May I suggest that you forward that to Andrea Leadsom at the appropriate ministry?
andrea.leadsom.mp@parliament.uk
This is an excellent analysis.
I would add one point. What went wrong with Dinorwig, why didn’t it kick in?
Well Dinorwig did react, see Tractor Gent’s report of bm data above:
Time CCGT Wind Pumped (Dinorwig)
15:50:00 8473 8948 293
15:55:00 8547 8896 313
16:00:00 8172 8037 958
16:05:00 8086 8061 582
16:10:00 8051 7912 480
(Allow for a UTC/BST discrepancy between these times and the plot you give above).
Dinorwig was late. Why? Normally Dinorwig would have been set with at least one unit to shift from spin-gen to full power on an LF relay (probably set to something like 49.9 Hz) and another unit part-loaded at 150 MW with droop set to either 1 %, or even 0.5 % droop. There’s no sign of that happening.
The bm reports show no sign of any response before 16:55 . I suspect NG TELEGRAPHED a request for extra power from Dinorwig sometime near to 16:55. That requires operator action in the Dinorwig control room, and a typical delay on that is between 30 and 60 S. So NOT Dinorwig’s fault.
I think the timestamps on the BM data are somewhat nominal in terms of the underlying reality, rather than publication time. I have also not been able to entirely clarify whether the data purport to represent the average over the preceding 5 minutes or an instantaneous measure, but I suspect the former. It is quite clear from the frequency chart that the event started at 15:52:32Z and response was started to haul the frequency back up again 30 seconds later before the second trip occurred reaching the nadir and load shed trip at 15:53:50Z. By 15:55:00Z frequency was back to 49.5Hz, and both Hornsea and Little Barford were completely out.
I don’t know whether the bm reports are spot or rolling averages either. But in either event, if Dinorwig had been properly carrying its usual amount of primary response, and whichever station tripped first, just one Dinorwig unit responding should have caught the frequency drop within 10 seconds. Allowing for the what looks like a much reduced system inertia, I would have expected that response to have brought the frequency back to no lower than 49.7 Hz.
Part of the problem was almost certainly how the transmission system was configured. When you lose a generator that is feeding a part of the system that is remote from Dinorwig you have to find a route to deliver power that won’t breach transmission constraints. Dinorwig is well placed to handle trips on Westernlink HVDC, but less well placed for meeting demand to the North of London. I suspect that grid configurations will have concentrated on the potential for losing 1-2GW on one of the interconnectors to the Continent as the biggest N-1 contingency. Sometimes a particular contingency can produce a very different feasible solution for transmission routing, and switching from one to the other can be complex.
I note we now have a report that there have been several frequency incidents in recent months – they just managed to hold the line at 49.5Hz below which statutory obligations would have been breached.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/aug/12/three-blackout-near-misses-in-three-months-says-national-grid
The last month with 1 second frequency data posted at their website is April. Perhaps we can understand the posting delay for later months!
The frequency chart does actually show that there was a real response well inside 30 seconds: some will have come from the available inertia anyway, and the fairly puny contributions of grid batteries that will have been triggered within a second. I’m sure we’ll get the nitty gritty on the nature of the response and the reasons for it in the final report.
It doesn’t add up
The reply nesting is collapsing.
Thanks for the reports of other frequency incidents – all grist to the mill.
What do we have here? The National Grid Summer Outlook 2019 – Executive Summary
https://www.nationalgrideso.com/document/140411/download
They ignored their own advice it would seem.
The monumental Stupid that underlies the notion of wind generation as a major component of saving the planet from deadly climate change or CO2 emissions, makes irony-based jokes nearly impossible. I suppose that I’ll keep trying.
Little Barford is 800 Mw. Hornsea Wind farm has a nameplate capacity of 6 Gw – about 7x as much
Well, only the first phase in in operation. That’s 1.2GW, and the loss of wind generation appears to have been about 850MW.
John – disregard plant ratings. They aare only maximum numbers. Look at what each plant was doing in the half hour before the event, and look at the dispatch instructions. This is what other posters have done. That information is a lot more illuminating.