Washington Times: The Two Recent Mass Shooters Had Eco-Terrorist Beliefs

The Ecoterrorist Unabomber Ted Kaczynski. Theodore Kaczynski.jpg, Public Domain, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

I’m not suggesting that normal climate activists advocate this kind of violence, more likely the insanity was there first, and the madmen fitted apocalyptic climate beliefs around their desire to cause harm.

Gunman’s left-wing views thwart Democratic efforts to pin mass shootings on Trump

By Valerie Richardson – The Washington Times – Updated: 7:51 p.m. on Tuesday, August 6, 2019

Democrats blaming President Trump for last weekend’s mass shootings saw their argument continue to unravel Tuesday as more details emerged indicating that the suspected gunmen held some avowedly left-wing views.

Connor Betts, the 24-year-old suspect in the deadly shooting in Dayton, Ohio, expressed pro-antifa, pro-socialist and anti-ICE positions on a now-suspended Twitter account believed to be his, as well as support for Democratic Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

The El Paso suspect, 21-year-old Patrick Crusius, is believed to have authored a 2,300-word manifesto saying he was motivated by the “Hispanic invasion of Texas,” criticizing “race mixing,” and warning of “cultural and ethnic replacement.”

Along with such white-nationalist stances, however, are positions that would fit in with the agenda of the climate-change movement, including blasts at corporations, consumerism and environmental degradation.

[O]ur lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country,” said the document. “The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources.”

The “next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources,” said the document.

He said other mass shooters have also sounded “eco-terrorist” themes, including the gunman who killed 51 worshipers in March at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, and the 2011 Norway attacker who killed 77, both of whom also railed against immigration.

Read more: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/6/connor-betts-left-wing-views-thwart-democrats-effo/

The Washington Times points out several Democrat challengers have been trying to pin recent mass shootings on President Trump, a cynical political ploy which is rapidly unravelling as more is learned about the beliefs the shooters expressed.

I have personally made the mistake in the past of trying to draw meaning from the irrational eco-terrorist rants of mass murderers. I am sorry for any upset I caused.

Frankly it is time everyone grew up and stopped trying to turn horrific acts of violence into a political point scoring opportunity. It is way too easy to fall into the trap of trying to use reason to explain the irrational. Trying to gain some kind of political advantage out of an interpretation of the statements of these murderers, I think this does a disservice to memory of their victims.

The shooters were insane or evil, first and foremost they wanted to hurt people. Anything else, the bizarre twisted eco-beliefs or hard left or other extreme beliefs they expressed, are just a symptom of that vicious desire to cause harm. I believe it is just chance that recent mass shooters fixated on eco-terrorist ideas, my belief is such people randomly accumulate whatever garbage is current news in their pressure cooker minds, then explode when they decide the time has come to hurt people.

The focus should be on preventing future acts of violence, figuring out how to identify and defuse or contain crazy people before they cause harm, not on scoring points over whatever insane babble the terrorists spouted before they went out and killed.

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168 thoughts on “Washington Times: The Two Recent Mass Shooters Had Eco-Terrorist Beliefs

  1. I believe it is the sick desire to be famous, infamous actually, that drives these sick puppies. The content of their insanity changes, but it is the knowledge that the legacy media will assure that everyone is reminded of their name and face for several weeks at least.
    The Texas Tower shooter is remembered more than 50 years later.

    • The Texas Tower shooter was literally sick, an autopsy revealed a brain tumour. And a string of missed opportunities to provide medical care.

      It’s a Hollywood movie about the incident that I remember, the bravery of law enforcement that ended it, the apparent negligence of the medical system that could have prevented it, and the tragedy of innocent lives lost. The movie certainly wasn’t about glorifying the shooter.

      I think it’s an escalation of the problem of the media glorifying anarchists in general, and pandering to noisy protesters and axe grinders.

      • “…The movie certainly wasn’t about glorifying the shooter…”

        Very true. Actor was Kurt Russell. Rare to not like him in a movie.

    • If we could get everyone to quit trying to score political points – then I think the following strategy would reduce the incidence of mass shooters.

      All media will refer to, “The despicable, cowardly, scumbag in the –blank– shooting …” and then give the rest of the facts in their news story.

      Never, ever, speak the name of the perpetrator.

      (Of course that would never happen, but I can dream.)

      • I would like the news media to clinically report such events ONE TIME ONLY, followed up with the editorial remark that this new event is just the latest in a sick and tragic fad, and to STOP covering the grief of survivors and friends and family members completely. And I do mean completely. They should discontinue coverage after the first, dispassionate report. One news cycle is all the coverage it gets. No more delving into the personal lives and the personal grief of classmates and family members, no further mention of the incidents or the shooter. That attention and seemingly endless wallowing is precisely the sick porn that these fad following bastages enjoy.

      • “If we could get everyone to quit trying to score political points ”

        Trump calls for unity and bipartisan approach … Dems go full moron on divisive point scoring even when one of the shooters was decidedly Antifa / Dem supporter.

        • Trump should stop using obviously racist language like “go back to where you came from”. A good idea would be to let the number of daily racist rants equal the number of minority members of his cabinet.

          • @Donald Speaking of divisive … You took what President Trump tweeted, pulled out one sentence, changed it to something else, and wrongly call it a quote in an apparent attempt to score political points.

            Here’s the whole, misquoted sentence from the longer July 14, 2019 tweet storm:

            “Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done”

            The “come back and show us” phrase completely changes the meaning from what you said it means. Trump also later clarified his meaning as something like: if the US is as bad as you say, go somewhere better.

            That tweet is wrong in that The Squad is foreign born when only one of the four is an immigrant.

          • “Go back to where you came from” is a perfectly reasonable comment to make to someone who sneaks into the country illegally. There’s nothing racist about it.
            Yet, it is patently racist to judge a group of people by how many members of it are a “minority”. Are you always this clueless, or are you just having a bad day?

          • “The “come back and show us” phrase completely changes the meaning from what you said it means.”

            Yeah, the Democrats are bad about using partial quotes to demonize Trump. If you want to know what Trump really said you can’t depend on Democrats or the MSM to tell you because they will distort his meaning. What you have to do is look at Trump’s actual words if you want to know what he said. Assume any interpretation is a distortion of the facts and you will be on the right track.

          • Now I live in Calif. If I went to Washington and spoke out against the President, he would be well within his rights to tell me to “Go Back to Where I Came From”. He could be told the same thing, we all came from someplace. Bending statements into a form of Hate Speech is something Liberals are prone to doing. Many are dysfunctionaly tuned to see Hate and *isms everywhere.
            Like Modesto and their proposed Straight Pride Parade. If L’s G’s B’s T’s and Q’s can express pride with parades, and if Minorities can express pride with parades, why is it then wrong for non L G B T Q Minority to also express pride with parades?

          • Go back to where you came from is not racial. Sorry. When I went to school in Oregon, back in the 1980s, a common bumper sticker read: “Welcome to Oregon, now go home.” It was directed at people from California, not any racial group.

            Nice try, but one might suggest you look for information sources beyond twitter.

          • 🤣 LOL!! Remember the Oregon Un-greeting Cards? One of them on the cover said “Governor Tom McCall of Oregon welcomes you to….” and on the inside it continued “Washington, Idaho, Montana, or Nevada.” And there was a map where I-5 detoured around the state of Oregon. The one I like the best had on the front “Last year Oregonians spotted a UFO…..” “…..It was the Sun.”

          • Twisting his words to create a narrative for your TDS
            He also said in same tweet after
            “Come back”
            A”RACIST” wouldn’t say that
            you are as deceptive as the MSM

      • No people die every day by being murdered by someone or other or ending their own lives it is all a tragedy. These mass murderers are seeking to make a statement to tell the rest of the something. If they become aware that by doing what they’re doing it will get to us then it will continue. Whether their names are known or not. Society can cope with none of it being reported. First if you can get the mainstream media to not report it at all it will be a start. Then it should be impressed on the populace that if they know of such things by setting up public discussions and advertising it they are helping to create these tragic shootings.

    • The following article provides an interesting mis-direction.

      The global warming /aka climate change scam has always been tool of the far-left, not the right.

      However some in the media are saying that the shooters were right-wing.

      There are no limits to the duplicity of the radical green extremists and their minions in the media.

      Regards, Allan

      “How Climate Change Is Becoming a Deadly Part of White Nationalism”

      https://earther.gizmodo.com/how-climate-change-is-becoming-a-deadly-part-of-white-n-1837010929

  2. “Frankly it is time everyone grew up and stopped trying to turn horrific acts of violence into a political point scoring opportunity. ”

    Amen to that Brother. It needs to start with our Propaganda Press They feed this nonsense fuel and oxygen, and then it needs to filter down to our public school education systems. FInally we need to shut down all safe zone echo chambers on our college campuses. You want to discuss these issue freely do so in an open classroom when thinking people, starting with non-ideologue professors can challenge the unfounded lies that are politically motivated.

    But don’t hold your breath

    • The only problem with trying to reason with people in the MSM this way is many of them are not reasonable.

      I have to laugh when I hear some Republican lament that the MSM doesn’t do an honest job and then goes on to appeal to the MSM’s better angels to start doing their job of reporting fairly. What they don’t seem to understand is the MSM doesn’t have any better angels. You are wasting your breath trying to reason with socialist fanatics.

      • So true, also true for the leftist Democrats. The Republicans are not even in the game, except for trump

      • Yep, you’ll have no more luck reasoning with the NRA nuts about their “God-given right to carry machine guns with armour piercing bullets”

        • Go ahead, just lie. We’ve come to expect it.

          Better yet, move to England. They’ve already banned guns… and knives. I think they’re working on banning rocks and sticks now.

          ~¿~

          • “Better yet, move to England. They’ve already banned guns”

            I do wish foreigners with obviously no knowledge of UK Firearms laws would stop this nonsense. If I want i can shoot a handgun in the UK, I can shoot a 50cal. rifle on my own land (and own it too). I can put silencers (suppressors) on any of my guns and I can have high capacity magazines too, if I want.
            If you don’t know about a subject, don’t comment about a subject unless you are looking to find out about a subject.

            https://www.ukpreppersguide.co.uk/uk-weapons-and-firearms-law-2018/

            RS

          • Schitzree

            Guns aren’t banned in the UK. One can buy a shotgun or a hunting rifle relatively easily.

            Knives aren’t banned either, I carry one with me every day, and I have lots of them in the kitchen.

          • RS from your link “you must be able to have a good reason to do so.” Of which self defense is not one. So your own link proves you wrong. You state you can have one if you choose to, that is false you can only have one if you have a “good” reason deemed acceptable by the government only. So you are both wrong. In England you can’t even legally protect your home from a burglar with your bare hands. I feel sorry for you. PS how many times has knife registration been proposed their?

        • They are Constitutional rights. They were put in place to protect the citizens from the Government. This is clearly stated.

          And some of your argument is flawed. Humans have been killing Humans long before the arrival of guns and clearly it has nothing to do with guns or gun ownership especially considering how many guns are actually owned. And we rarely hear how a gun protected or saved someone life.

          • The English “Bill of Rights” (1689) has a clause along the lines: “Those subjects who are Protestants may have arms for their defense suitable to their class, and according to law.” (available at yale.edu -in the “Avalon Project”) Three restrictions: religion, social class, and Parliament.

            A phrase from the “Declaration of Independence” – “… all men are created equal …” That is where the US Second Amendment came from, but it uses the expression, “the right of the people”, not “subjects”, no religious test, and “shall not be infringed”. Militia? See “Second Congress, First Session, Chapter 33” (1792) for details. (I like the part about a “sufficient bayonet”.)

            Prohibition has never worked, from the Georgia Colony in 1634 to National in 1920. The amount of money to be gained supplying banned objects or substances ensures that the demand will be met.

        • I believe the weapon referred to in the second amendment was a musket. Weapons have evolved but the language (or thinking) hasn’t. Maybe it is time to wind back to muskets being the only legal weapon – oh, and you can only carry it after you have joined a militia.

          • Oklahoma just passed a law effective Nov. 1, 2019, that allows any legal Oklahoma citizen to carry a gun concealed or not, and no license is required.

            We are all in the militia. We ask Russia and China to take note that if they are thinking they might want to invade the USA they will be facing several hundred million armed civilians who will be waiting for them. Come and get it!

            The criminals all ready have guns. They don’t care about obeying laws. It’s time private citizens were as well armed as the criminals. After Nov. 1, in Oklahoma, a purse snatcher might think twice before trying to steal that little old lady’s purse because she might be packing heat.

          • Besides the fact that the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans make it well nigh impossible to invade the U.S. there is truth in what you said. After the fall of the Soviet Union a member of the KGB was asked if Russia had ever contemplated invading the United States, and his response was, “Are you kidding? Everyone has a gun!”

          • I believe the weapon referred to in the second amendment was a musket. Weapons have evolved but the language (or thinking) hasn’t.

            I believe that the press referred to in the First Amendment was something called a “newspaper” and, as the name implies, it was printed on paper. Oh, and there was no internet.

          • Then you would be wrong. The word “musket” does not appear there. duckduckgo is your friend.

        • AG,

          I am the NRA. I am also an independent self sustaining American citizen. I grow my own vegetables and harvest my own meat, much of which is shared with family and neighbors. I am a very real threat to the regional ‘gang bangers’ as they don’t know whether me or my fellow Americans may be packing and a much better shot and not in the mood to be robbed or mugged. A phone call to the police will bring YOU help in only 10 – 15 minutes, if they don’t steal your phone. But as I told a neighbor once that had an attitude like yourself, I promised not offer them any assistance if they needed it because they felt that people like me were a threat. I and my fellow Americans help keep you safe without you even realizing it

    • The MSM’s mission statement is to smear and crush every conservative on the planet. Nothing will dissuade them from their “mission”. They’re taught in “Journalism” school that they; stopped the Vietnam war, obtained Gay marriage, legalized marijuana, opened our borders, and have engineered every single “transformation” of American culture in the last 100 years. The media believe THEY control the narrative … control the culture. So they missed Trump’s election … they just got lulled into complacency by HER. After that FAIL … the knives have been out for Trump. Russia, Russia, Russia … Racist, Racist, Racist … blah, blah, blah. Not working MSM … The People are back in control. And your jobs are evaporating.

  3. Terrorism of all sorts, including eco-terrorism isn’t limited to the political left, just as white supremacy and racism isn’t limited to the political right. After all, the KKK arose from the political left and the loudest racists are the anti-Semites led by AOC+3.

    • All the MSM can talk about lately is the danger of white supremacy and racism. But these hateful groups have NO PATH TO POWER anywhere.

      None of the supremacist leaders are popular or well known (Name One…you can’t). They are tiny groups. I don’t personally know any supremacists…or know anybody who does.

      On the other hand…the historically most successful genocidal groups, namely Socialists/Communists… with 200 Million dead and counting…
      Currently Control:
      ○ Print and Broadcast Media (i.e. the Democratic Party Propaganda Machine)
      ○ Democratic Party Leadership
      ○ Academia (All the Social Sciences and Humanities; Crony Activist Scientists)
      ○ Government (Deep State and Government $$ Corrupted Science…like NASA and NOAA)
      ○ Entertainment Industry…almost no exceptions
      ○ Big Data (all are Anti-American proponents of political censorship)
      ○ Law (9th “Circus” Court and the like)
      ○ Commerce (Crony Capitalists)

      When these guys obtain enough power, they always establish Reeducation Camps, Concentration Camps, and Death Camps.

      White Supremacists have no real foothold and no political power…but these Socialists (like the proponents of the CAGW Fraud) already control most of our major institutions.

      They have no allegiance to the US Constitution. They hate it. It stands in the way of their acquisition of power.

      Meanwhile the Republicans “play the fiddle”.

      • Meanwhile the Republicans “play the fiddle”.

        Many Republicans are afraid of speaking out for fear of being seen as against the ‘greater good’ which is how the left falsely portrays its destructive agendas as they use shame to get buy in.

        The greatest existential threat we face is not the climate, but is if a Progressive/Socialist connives their way into the Whitehouse. Obama was bad enough even as the current crop of Democrat hopefuls considers him to have been far too conservative, while people who can think for themselves consider a conservative Socialist to be an oxymoron.

        • “Many Republicans are afraid of speaking out for fear of being seen as against the ‘greater good’ which is how the left falsely portrays its destructive agendas as they use shame to get buy in.”

          If a Republican speaks out, they will be trashed by the Democrats and the MSM like Trump is trashed. So the Republicans, for the most part, stay silent because they don’t like beig the object of derision,, although some Republicans, a couple of dozen, are doing good work and speaking out regularly.

          I would credit Trump’s example for showing some Republcians that they can fight back effectively against the MSM. As he continues to succeed, more Republicans will become vocal. He was innocent of all charges of collusion with Russia, and now he is going to look like the victim of the Obama administration illegally attempting to prevent Trump from being elected and then illegally trying to undermine his presidency. Treason and sedition. Hillary and Obama.

          Things are getting ready to blow up on the Obama administration traitors who tried to overthrow the will of the American people in the 2016 presidential election.

          • I read somewhere that the Democrats have been playing smash mouth for decades, especially during the W administration, and finally the GOP elected a guy who plays smash mouth right back.

          • The vile rhetoric ramped up significantly when Bush beat Gore, who like Hillary, thought he was unbeatable as he also had the MSM rooting for him and the top levels of government doing whatever they could to assist. The sore losers then stole all the W keys from the keyboards on their way out. This childish behavior from the left continued throughout the Bush administration, where their obstruction paved the way for Obama. It then turned criminal as they attempted to prevent Trump from winning and then when he won, they attempted an illegal coup that failed spectacularly that will likely lead to high level Obama officials ending up in orange jump suits. None the less, Napoleon Nadler doesn’t want to let it go.

      • “None of the supremacist leaders are popular or well known (Name One…you can’t). They are tiny groups.”

        This is the truth. These fanatics have very small numbers and have no influence on American politics other than the Democrats using them to demonize Republicans. No self-respecting Republican or conservative would have anything to do with a White Supremacist.

        Trump at one time in the past had joined an alternate political party (I forget the name of the party) but then Trump found out that David Duke, the only White Supremacist we know by name, was trying to join or had joined and so Trump withdrew from that party and stated specifically that he had done so because he didn’t want to be associated with David Duke or White Supremacy.

        As Trump says, he is the least racist person you know. He and race-baiter Al Sharpton used to pal around. Now Al is calling Trump a racist and a White Supremacist. It’s all a game to them, but their game seriously affects the lives of millions of people.

        Trump isn’t a racist and it looks like the Democrats efforts to paint him as one are backfiring on them. They can’t knock his numbers down no matter how hard they try or how much they lie.

        • Worse if a real racist starts to get power no one will believe they are racists after all false claims of racism.
          Interesting factiod FBI hate crimes statistics show minorities are more likely to commit hate crimes then whites. But, you won’t see that pointed out only how many hate crimes whites commit as percentage of total.

    • Good point. We have been conditioned to believe only the right are racists and white supremacists yet here is a left winger with these traits.

      You would find it pretty difficult to identify many right wing conservatives who are anti-capitalist, anti-consumerism, anti-social, “eco-terrorists”.

  4. It might explain why the NZ government didn’t want people reading the Christchurch killer’s manifesto.

  5. There’s nothing good to expect from a “new age” religion money dwelling cult that swings between overpopulation phobias and extinction ultimatums.

  6. A recent report highlighted how many mass-shooters were still on or had for years previously been on prescription drugs for attention deficit disorder and other associated syndromes. It also highlighted the number of unprovoked murders of a family member by people on these classes of drugs.

    In looking at these horrendous events it is the mental health aspect and any medication that needs proper understanding and exploration – politics has nothing to do with it. Any politician with a responsible attitude and mature thinking should understand that.

    • And if not taking legal drugs they turn out to be cannabis users or something else mind-altering. All the Islamic terrorists in Europe have been found to be users which prompted a doctor to suggest this needs further investigation. Not going to happen in the UK as the governing elite have all taken drugs and barely enforce the anti-drugs laws while also claiming that the war against drugs isn’t working so legalise them. And then they can be taxed and all criminal drug smuggling will cease. Hmmm, how’s that working out for tobacco? No smuggling or counterfeiting there – not!

  7. Frankly it is time everyone grew up and stopped trying to turn horrific acts of violence into a political point scoring opportunity. It is way too easy to fall into the trap of trying to use reason to explain the irrational.

    I wholeheartedly disagree. All this information was known within hours after the shootings, yet can you find a WaPo, NYT, MSN, or any other fnews source even acknowledging these facts, let alone able to admit that the radical left narrative is leading to increased violent and disruptive acts all around the world? This is Nazi-level propaganda, so this is not the time to get weak knees and kowtow to the Death Cult of Zero Worship (DCoZW).

    On one side we have people blaming the POTUS for random public shootings because he wants to enforce immigration laws and make it harder for illegal immigrants to circumvent immigration laws, as well as supports the Bill of Rights. On the other side, you have literal manifestos from the sickos that explicitly state their reasons for doing these things as being things that are common talking points from the DCoZW- from Charles Manson to the recent shootings and many in between.

    I’m sure in 1920’s Germany there were many people admonishing the things that the National Socialist Party was saying, and many others saying that those detractors just needed to grow up. I for one want to be remembered as one that fought against the rising tide of nu-post modernism DCoZW. Unless the passive bystanders stand up against it too, radical socialism will be here soon, then soon after all the things that follow.

    • Hear, hear. Evil is evil. Racist evil or anti-civilization environmentalist evil, I have no problem understanding how both pathologies can exist together, and just in case it wasn’t already abundantly clear to everyone who’s had even the slightest exposure to the news in the last few years, almost everything imaginable has been used by the Democrats as a political scoring point against Trump. Nice to see the narrative getting a little scrutiny once in a while.

      To anyone repeating the stale trope that Trump is a racist, or a homophobe, that “his racism encourages violence,” or any of the other CRAP that constitutes what now passes for journalistic insight in the 21st century, please don’t insult my intelligence. I already get quite enough of that by osmosis, and I certainly don’t come here to read it.

    • Wow, the last sentence was on point.

      “Betts sounds like a potential Bernie Sanders recruit. Crusius seems closer to Extinction Rebellion than to Donald Trump.”

    • Oh boy… Is terrorism changing face ? Suddenly I’m less comfortable with the taught of what the upcoming safety update briefing might be about.

      With that many outlets openly preaching insane environmentalism dogmas round the clock.

      Guess the no-fly lists will need a serious rework to cope with the rising threats.

  8. I am not sure how we contain these events in the little bit of “free” society we have left without more surrendering of our “freedoms”.

    There will always be bad actors. You cannot and will not change a fundamental nature of the animal homo sapien.

    These next statements will upset people…

    All manufacturing processes will have defective units. The degree and severity can be quantified and qualified even biological evolutionarily based processes at the genetic level. Not every human being produced is created with the same care or control of the legend or host resource. The current health status and experiences of the progenitors weigh heavily on the viable outcome on the offspring. Learned behavior plays a critical role as well but it is not one or the other.

    While we are at the beginning levels genetic engineering and we could quantify and qualify the outcome, I am very sure as a society, global civilization and species we are not ready for this. This is the only way to remove these things from our lives.

    And before anyone mentions gun control. Human beings were killing Human beings long before the arrival of guns. Quite effectively and efficiently, I might add. And purely from personal and emotional level, I would much rather be shot and cease to exist then have acid splashed on me or be knifed and lived disfigured and be a burden to all around me.

    I forget who said: “Trade Liberity or Freedom for Security and you will have neither.”

    • “These next statements will upset people…”

      You really think we need Trigger Warnings here?

      RS

  9. “The shooters were insane or evil, first and foremost they wanted to hurt people.”
    That is true, but the problem I have is I can’t see how you can ignore the racial comments by Trump in connection with the shooters in Christchurch and El Paso. Both those guys were specifically targeting racial groups. It is not difficult to join the dots that when you have a political leader inciting racial tension, it gives these nutters permission to take their racial hatred one step further. It fuels their fire. And that’s what happened.
    It is also blindingly obvious that when it is so easy for anyone to get these high powered weapons, even those who have extreme views they are prepared to act on, then you have a deadly cocktail.

    • “Both those guys were specifically targeting racial groups. It is not difficult to join the dots that when you have a political leader inciting racial tension, it gives these nutters permission to take their racial hatred one step further. It fuels their fire.”

      Yes because they were instructed by the media on who to attack. Christchurch was very clear that he attacked muslims because that would bring about the best results for his goal…. banning “white supremacy” and guns. The El Paso shooter targets his targets via math and media results. First he learned that things like universal healthcare and universal basic income would be impossible with open borders. He saw his attack as fixing a few “problems”. First he’s attack would highlight this “new found” math. Second his attack would help push for gun control , healthcare and basic income. Both of these terror attacks were massively successful. Not because they killed alot of people but because the media lionized these people. Further they got exactly what they wanted. When reward terrorism your going to get more of it.

      “It is also blindingly obvious that when it is so easy for anyone to get these high powered weapons, even those who have extreme views they are prepared to act on, then you have a deadly cocktail.”

      Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Further almost all(believe its 92%) mass killings in the western world happen in gun free zones. Making more gun free zones will only increase both the amount of mass killings and the amount of bodies per mass killing.

      • “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. ”
        And crazy people with high semi automatic rifles kill a whole lot more people than crazy people without them. Come on it is not rocket science….

        • “Come on it is not rocket science….”

          Actually shooting a gun and the resultant vectors of the bullet is exactly like rocket science, from a chemical kinetics and classic Newtonian physics perspective…

          Just sayin’

      • Trump was never accused of racism before he beat the Demonrats. Had a very pretty black girlfriend in early 90s.

    • The Dayton shooter was not targeting any race. He was antifa. The left are the ones inciting violence with their identity politics.

    • Trump has not indulged or fostered diversity (i.e. color judgments).

      That said, did the declaration of a low risk target offer an incentive to commit mass abortion?

    • “That is true, but the problem I have is I can’t see how you can ignore the racial comments by Trump in connection with the shooters in Christchurch and El Paso.”

      What racial comments? Please be specific. I’m glad you raised this issue.

    • Well said. While Eric’s motives are transparent, trying to shoehorn these right-wing extremists into some “eco” box is bizarre.

      • Neither were right-wing. The El Paso shooter was an eco-Malthusian who wanted to reduce all races to save the environment, and the Dayton shooter was antifa.

      • Both were actually LEFT WING in their respective beliefs (just read their manifestos) and so should be more accurately referred to as Left Wing Extremists

      • Trying to call them right wing is equally bizarre, they have extreme views from both sides. You seem to be conflating racism with right wing but the reality is there are just as many left wing racist groups.

    • Simon,
      There were never any racial comments made by President Trump. Check the recordings not the news feeds.

      • “So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how….”
        Given three of the four women he is talking about here were born in the US, makes this statement not just racist, but ignorant…. Once again mo attempt to check his facts before mouthing off.

        • The president didn’t even identify the congresswomen or their race. Where is the “racist” part of the comment?

          • Please note if you have an IQ over 50 you would have noticed he made no reference to their race.

          • “Please note if you have an IQ over 50 you would have noticed he made no reference to their race.”
            They are not white… that’s enough for his extreme supporters.

          • @Simon

            It is sad that all you are only able to see in the humans that you hate is hatred( imagined hatred at that ) and that you seemingly have become they very thing you are railing against. What’s even more sad is that your hatred for Trump has turned you into a hater and that you cannot even see the irony and hypocrisy.

            I challenge you to say one good thing about Trump to prove me wrong.

          • “They are not white… that’s enough for his extreme supporters.”

            His extreme supporters come from diverse races. It’s only those blindly marinated in leftist identity politics who see race in everything, specifically white vs. everything else. Sounds like you have a PhD in TV.

          • “They are not white… that’s enough for his extreme supporters.”

            That’s a very distorted view of Trump supporters, Simon.

            I can understand how you might look at it that way considering the blizzard of anti-Trump propaganda and lies that have been put out by the Democrats and the MSM over the last three years.

            I’m a Trump supporter, Simon. Do you think I was salivating over Trump telling those women to leave the country? No, I was salivating over Trump calling out their lies and distortions. That’s not racist, Simon.

        • Trump: “Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how”

          Well, I commend you, Simon for posting the full quote. You didn’t do like the partisan Democrats and leave out the “Then come back and show us how” part of the quote. They did this so they could calim Trump was racist by trying to run these four women out of the country, but as you can see from Trump’s own words, he wasn’t trying to run them out of the country, because he invited them back. A racist would have said go away and don’t come back. Trump wasn’t being racist he was trying to contrast the s”holes these women are from with the good ole USA.

          Now you claim he must be racist because he criticized four women of color. Is that the definition of racism? A white man cannot criticize anyone of color? You’re not really serious are you?

          If a person of color needs criticizing then they should be criticized and people who say it is racist just don’t like the criticism and want to change the subject. The Four Women of Color were out of line and Trump called them on it, and I’m sure he will do the very same in the future when these women next make an insane political rant. And he should and it’s not racist.

      • Extremists from the left or right are hard to reign in. That’s why they call them extremists.

          • “Kindly describe a ‘right wing’ extremist.”
            Someone who has extreme right wing views and is prepared to use violence and or other extreme measures to express them. Did I pass?

          • Yes, please do describe a right wing extremist. Is there anything the Republican Party does that can be described as extreme?

          • Is there anything the Republican Party does that can be described as extreme?

            Watching the Dems over that last 30 years or so, I can tell you their definition of an extremist is anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Therefore all Republicans are extreme.

    • Simon ,,, spewing this crap that Trump has said anything racists is the problem. What you are really referring to is the biased interpretation of Trumps words and policies as being racists by the propagandist in the MSM, who are purely left wing. In particular, a call to enforce our already existing immigration laws. Those laws transcend race, but it just so happens that the majority of illegals have been for decades, and still are from south of the border. But upholding his vow to uphold the laws of the USA, while calling on a do nothing congress to fix the laws, is NOT racists, it is what he took a vow to do.

      OTOH …. The Democrats are breaking their vows, and in fact fostering the breaking of law.

      • Here is the dictionary definition of racism…
        “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.”

        Do I need to cut and paste the parts of Trumps tweet (it is his tweet nothing is changed)that meet this definition or are you clever enough to do it yourself?

        • People keep asking you to explicitly state what racist comment you are referring to but you instead use more words than would be necessary to supposedly support your claim with these vapid diversions. Anyone without perma-concussion can see why.

        • You are assuming that he believes that the white race is superior. You lack proof of that so your argument falls apart.

        • Racialism is the belief that one or more races have raised themselves above others.
          It is a fact that a race for example introduced into Africa, dams, irrigation, electricity, water treatment, the modern city with hospitals and schools, transport and highways. And that’s a fact.
          Racism is to take that belief and use it to justify oppression.
          Black or White the upper class screw the lower class.
          Lets stop all this talk about God damned racism and God damned racists, it is largely a nonsense promoted by the left wing. There are no White Supremacists. They simply do not exist. There are however White Nationalists and they are not Supremacists.

        • “Do I need to cut and paste the parts of Trumps tweet (it is his tweet nothing is changed)that meet this definition or are you clever enough to do it yourself?. . .

          based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.”

          Are you a mind reader, Simon? None of Trumps words say to me that he thinks his own race is superior to another, and I’ll bet you don’t have a quote of him doing so. That leaves mindreading as the only way you can know Trump’s true feelings.

        • Yes, what part shows “based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.” News flash the US is a COUNTRY not a race. News flash Mexico is a COUNTRY not a race.

    • Simon,
      B.S. All the racial division and hate is being spewed by the Left with their identity politics. They see everything as being about race, which makes them the most racist people on the planet. But in the final analysis, I don’t for one second believe this had any effect on these execrable mass murders. If it was that easy to incite people to murder, we’d have hundreds of these happening every day. Stop trying to blame people you hate for these evil deeds; blame the people pulling the trigger.

    • Just remind yourself that there is no simple or easy way to deny criminals access to the tools of violence. Mere passing of laws does no more to halt murder or disarm psychopaths than it does to change the climate.

      These events are not spontaneous. Best we know, they always involve planning by a person who is typically prepared to pay a price to achieve his minute of fame. A few extra dollars for a black market purchase is no deterrent in comparison to death or life imprisonment. It is fantasy to think otherwise.

      My personal view is that these episodes are a compound of personal experience as a victim of bullying, with a culture of victim hood. Speaking from personal experience, many of us day-dream about reversing roles and becoming the one everyone fears, instead of the helpless one who fears everyone else. Perhaps that explains the popularity of disaffected loner “Superheroes” like the Hulk, or vampire movies.

      Couple that with inculcation into a political theory that personal victimhood is enhanced by group victimhood – that anyone more successful than you (money, women, life…. however you measure it) is an “oppressor” and that their group identity is more Germaine than their personal actions and responsibility – and hitting back becomes almost a moral requirement in that twisted mindset.

      There will always be hurt and disturbed people. It is certain ideologies that encourage them to act out their fantasies.

      • “There will always be hurt and disturbed people. It is certain ideologies that encourage them to act out their fantasies.”
        So can you please explain to me why we allow nutter like this to get their hands on semi automatic rifles? What is the problem with making it tougher for anyone to get these weapons?

        • Tougher? Nothing really. But does it PREVENT someone from getting them? Nope. Anyone willing to break the law and kill a bunch of people will have no issue breaking the law to buy an illegal gun to do it with.

          Really, you’re out to punish people that are NOT going to kill people… those are the ones that would respect outlawing it. Unless of course, they decide to become outlaws in response to what they feel is an immoral law. Congrats… you may have just created a criminal.

        • I will explain the problem for you since you asked. First, I will assume by “tougher” you mean laws that give vague definitions of dangerous or any mental illness to justify either the denial of purchase or to confiscate all dangerous arms from an individual. By passing such a law any individual who has been clinically depressed (almost all people at one time in their lives) is barred from gun ownership. Also, anyone who is dangerous such as someone who has expressed support for the Muslim Brotherhood, antifa, the RNC or the DNC depending on those whom are in power (say Trump) deem to be radicals can now be barred from gun ownership. You use the term anyone so assuming that you just want to ban guns entirely, let’s do a cost benefit analysis to this scenario using dead people as our metric. A few thousand die by guns each year. I would say about half would still die either by illegal guns or other murder methods regardless. Subtract lives saved by guns. Now if we get a Tyrannical gov’t because they no longer fear the people a civil war or oppression would cost millions of lives. It would take 100s of years of huge mass shootings to come close the loss of life that could be imposed on a defenseless population. This is disregarding the loss of freedoms.

          • I am conflicted on this point.

            The first time I was held at gunpoint I was in my late teens, hitchhiking back to my summer job at a mining camp near Red Lake, Ontario.

            Since then, I’ve lost count on the number of times I’ve had similar experiences – typically passing through a ~third-world checkpoint guarded by penniless thugs armed with automatic weapons. I still really dislike that experience, so I became anti-gun for a while.

            Then, upon reflection, I realized that almost all of these guns were in the hands of government or pseudo-government officials.

            Here in Calgary in 2016, our Calgary Police Service shot ten civilians, many more than much-larger, gang-infested Toronto and Vancouver. Not one of these Calgary police shootings was justified, and some were outright police-murder. Two of our Calgary police officers have each shot two civilians, and the odds of that happening are infinitesimally small, unless these cops are trigger-happy.

            And it also became obvious how the far-left was trying to take control by opposing gun ownership and the US Second Amendment, and promoting false global warming/climate change fraud.

            So now, here I am in Canada, where the only people who can carry guns are ~trigger-happy cops and armed criminals. I don’t feel that safe when the only people who have guns are violent sociopaths. Based on the realities of this city, I am much more worried about being shot by a cop than by a criminal.

            Recognizing how stupid the average person is (consider how many voted for Trudeau, Obama and Hillary), I don’t really like the idea of an armed populace. However, I am comforted that the Second Amendment exists, because the western democracies are under attack by leftist extremists who want to seize total control of our lives, and as long as there is an armed civilian population in the USA, that is unlikely to happen there.

        • “So can you please explain to me why we allow nutter like this to get their hands on semi automatic rifles? ”

          We didn’t know he was a nutter until he started pulling the trigger.

    • Pls note that the Christchurch shooter did NOT target a racial group but a religious one – he shot only Muslims.

      As much as those driving the efforts to have “islamophobia” condemned as racist, it is not. It is the dislike of a religion, not of a race or a people.

      • “Pls note that the Christchurch shooter did NOT target a racial group but a religious one – he shot only Muslims”…. who just all happened to be non white

        • The destruction of human diversity and its cultures is the dream of lefty socialists(social engineering), funny how they can’t seem to picture polar bears,grizzlies and black bears committing extinction thru social justice, but if there was a political advantage, even bears would be called racists.
          Climate hysteria(among others) is blinding the left from the real threat, the act of trying to take over the world in their ideology.

        • “he shot only Muslims”…. who just all happened to be non white”

          Aren’t Arabs caucasians? That would make them technically white, wouldn’t it? White with a good suntan.

    • Simon, you’re treating the content of what these violent madmen say as if it has some kind of meaning.

      You don’t know what triggered them, it could have been something Trump said, it could have been something Al Gore or Bernie Sanders said, it could have been something their next door neighbour said.

      None of it makes sense, they are first and foremost violent nutcases. I think you just tie yourself in knots trying to pick meaning out of madness.

      • I think…. it doesn’t help when leading politicians on the left or right make statements that can potentially ignite these nutters. Racists of any color don’t need much encouragement. Trump should have shut the white extremists down after Charlottesville, but he didn’t. It was a missed opportunity… in my opinion. And if you want my full opinion I think Trump is probably not particularly racist. He is an opportunist. I believe his comments were racist, but he was appealing to the knuckle draggers on the far right… and it seemed to work. If he thinks he can win a few votes from the white nutters he will do it. He would be just as happy to win them from the colored nutters. Hell, he will even court the Christians if he thinks they will vote for him. This from a man who has not a Christian bone in his body.

        • “Trump should have shut the white extremists down after Charlottesville, but he didn’t. It was a missed opportunity… in my opinion.”

          You are wrong about this one, Simon. Please do like you did earlier and provide the full statements of Trump at Charlottesville and you will see that this is also a distortion of the truth.

          Trump specifically condemned White supremacists at this time. The Democrats have seized on Trump’s statment that: “There are good people on both sides of this issue.” to claim that Trump was praising White Supremacists, when the truth is Trump was talking about the people who were there concerned about what was about to happen to their history. A lot of people didn’t want the statues torn down, they said it was part of their hsitory, good or bad. That’s who Trump was praising but the Democrats have distorted his words and now the presidential candidates are citing this incident as evidence of Trump’s support for White Supremacists.

          Get the full text, Simon, and you will see. The Democrats are lying to you. Deliberately lying.

          • Tom
            Provide a link to the full text I’d like to read it. And while you are at it I’m still waiting for you to provide proof the planet was warmer in the earlier 20th century than it is today… something you seem to say quite a lot.

          • Simon, most of us dislike having to do simple research for you.
            If I provide the text will you stop repeating mis-information?

            I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say…….

            (Shouting)…

            Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group ….. (shouting)….. excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

            It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

            (The ellipses are where the press are shouting at him and making him pause in mid sentence.)

            To others reading the blog I apologize for such a long quote, but Progressives like Simon, who love to take phrases out of context, but then when it is convenient, argue that the rebuttal to one of their arguments was “a sentence taken out of context”; (see their responses to the quotes from EAU email leaks for an example.)

          • Simon: “Tom, Provide a link to the full text I’d like to read it.

            Here’s a link that ought to convince you:

            https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08/09/limbaugh-breitbarts-pollak-traveling-around-trying-to-set-the-record-straight/

            Simon: “And while you are at it I’m still waiting for you to provide proof the planet was warmer in the earlier 20th century than it is today… something you seem to say quite a lot.”

            Thanks for asking, Simon. Here are four Tmax charts from both the northern and southern hemispheres that show it was just as warm in the 20th century as it is today.

            US chart:

            https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Figure-11.png

            China chart:

            https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Figure-12-1.png

            India chart:

            https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Figure-13-1.png

            Norway chart:

            https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Figure-13-2.png

            Australia chart:

            https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Figure-12-2.png

            All those charts are saying the same thng, Simon.

          • @George Daddis: It looks like you finally got Simon to shut up. Thank you! That transcript of the president’s statement should be memorized by every one of his supporters, and shouted back every time the left tries to perpetuate the Big Lie.

    • Simon, You are correct if the media hadn’t lied and twisted and made Trump out to be racist, morons who can’t think or research for themselves would not believe he is racist and on their side. Thus, it is the media and the morons who parrot their lies whom are most responsible (besides the shooters of course).

  10. The cult of CAGW is dangerous in a spend all the money on junk that does not work, bankrupt the country, and stop the progress of science. Mass murder … not so much.

    People naturally like other people (some people) have friends, interests, care what others think about them, and so on.

    Mass murder is hence not common, natural.

    The alternative to the ideological hypothesis for the increase in mass killings is the use of psychoactive prescription drugs, for example, Ritalin that have been shown to alter the frontal lobes of the brain and to reduce inhibiting chemicals in the brain.

    There has an interesting program about the massive increase in the use of Ritalin specifically in Texas schools.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting#/media/File:Total_deaths_in_US_mass_shootings.png

  11. Avowedly left-wing views and vocal support for Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, ….. HUH?

    I heard someone say that both Connor Betts, the Dayton, Ohio, shooter …….. and Patrick Crusius, the El Paso shooter, …… were both Registered Democrat voters.

    Has anyone checked their “voting” registration and voting preferences?

    Or are they keeping that “mum”? Top secret?

  12. From the article: “my belief is such people randomly accumulate whatever garbage is current news in their pressure cooker minds, then explode when they decide the time has come to hurt people.”

    I agree.

    The Democrats claim Trump’s rhetoric is racist, and hateful and divisive, and I would disagree with that, but the Democrats put out several orders of magnitude more vitriol than anything Trump or the Right generates, and no doubt all the hate and lies the Democrats spew upset mentally unbalanced individuals who then act on it.

    Trump has said nothing that is racist, or hateful or divisive. That’s just the percerption/interpretation of those on the Left who think anything that doesn’t agree with their agenda is racist, hateful and divisive.

    The Democrats claim Trump praised White Supremacists at the Charlotteville incident but Trump said just the opposite of that and actually condemned extremist groups. That’s what you hear when you listen to Trump’s actual words, and not the interpretation given them by his political opponents. The Democrats have completely distorted Charlottesville, just like they distort every word Trump says.

    All Trump does is tell the truth and the Democrats can’t stand the truth and call him names as a result.

    I hear Trump got a pretty godd reception in Dayton Ohio. This constant Trump bashing by the MSM and the Democrats doesn’t seem to be gaining much traction.

  13. several Democrat challengers have been trying to pin recent mass shootings on President Trump

    That’s the point. And so around, and around, and around, we go.

  14. and the Washington Times is known to be completely unbiased?

    Really, should talk about the Garlic killer and the El Paso killer, who both posted “manifestos.” Appears, so far, that the Dayton (or is that Toledo?) killer was just very sick.

    and remind me how this is relevant to climate change? were they going to force everyone to buy solar panels to save on electric bills?

  15. This post is completely despicable – trying to use deaths of innocents to further your argument.

    Have you read his supposed manifesto – the link is here but I’ve made it unclickable as it is not good to spread the vitriol drudgereport . com / flashtx . htm. It is all about hatred and fear of certain non-americans. there is little about the environment. what there is is copied here – nothing about agw

    “The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heaing the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over harvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades. For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades
    old classic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in myshort life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience.”

    • “This post is completely despicable – trying to use deaths of innocents to further your argument.”

      It seems like you didn’t bother to read the post. You don’t have access to weapons, do you?

      “It is all about hatred and fear of certain non-americans. there is little about the environment. what there is is copied here – nothing about agw”

      You claim there is “little” about the environment, then copy a “lot” about the environment.
      The WashingtonTimes article is quoted “positions that would fit in with the agenda of the climate-change movement”. AGW is just one facet of the movement.

      Take a look at https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/the-emergency/
      On second thought, perhaps you shouldn’t be encouraged.

    • So what you are saying is that it is “completely despicable” for the Democrats and their supporters in the MSM to “use deaths of innocents to further” their political aims by blaming President Trump for the actions of these two murderers. I’m glad we could finally agree on something. By the way, that’s exactly the point the OP was making, in case you missed it.

  16. President Trump called them monsters. Indeed they are monsters, but calling them that is probably what they want. It makes them sound scary, people to be afraid of. It might be better to call them cowardly punks who murdered innocent defenseless people. They’re too cowardly to take on anyone in a fair fight. I don’t think they want to be thought of that way. Maybe that would discourage future shooters.

  17. If you are mentally unstable, the perfect belief system is one based on illogical belief in doomsday scenario’s.

  18. Lest it get buried in other people’s threads.

    Take someone who has a history of feeling bullied. Powerless and unable to help themselves. It is quite common for them to fantasise about becoming the one that everyone fears. Superheroes like the Hulk, or cool vampire movies put an acceptable face on that motivation, because the average victim has enough moral compass to only want to hurt the “bad” people (and maybe scare the others just a little . After all, the others “should” have protected them, somehow).

    But when you immerse such a person in the group identity and victimhood ideologies of extreme politics – of which the Left is most notable – or at least one un-named religion and “fighting back against the oppressors” becomes almost a moral imperative. It’s that group identity metric that removes the need for personal responsibility and the need to identify specific abusers by their actions.

    “Oppressors” are simply those who belong to the other group. The group that is not like you and does not validate your thinking.

    • PeterW. – August 7, 2019 at 3:20 pm

      Take someone (mass-shooters) who has a history of feeling bullied. Powerless and unable to help themselves. It is quite common for them to fantasise about becoming the one that everyone fears.

      PeterW, you had it correct ….. right up until your last six (6) words as noted by my included “boldface”.

      Me thinks that said “mass shootings” by individuals is the only way they can think of to “get even” for all their years of being bullied, embarrassed, ignored, berated, cheated and/or defamed by their parents, guardians, peers, work associates and/or other societal members.

      One has to survive their own actions in order to “repeat” them again ….. iffen they have any expectations of becoming “someone that everyone fears”. Only the true weirdos fear dead people.

  19. As RP MacMurphy (Jack Nicholson) observed in “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest” –

    “you’re no crazier than the average a$$#oles walking around out there in the streets”

    (I think he was referring to greens in general)

  20. The article and comments achieve and prove nothing.
    I have no proof though the shootings appear to be deep state.
    Why?
    To generate fear and paranoia to bring about the disarming of America.
    They did it in Australia and gun crime went up.
    The big question is: Why do They want to disarm America?
    I suggest an answer: To bring about an authoritarian order, as some would say, a police state.
    George Orwell’s 1984 gives a very good insight. He was ahead of his time.
    Non gun owners in America are for the Second Amendment. Informed.
    A recommended book is Gunfight by Adam Winkler.

      • TonyM – August 8, 2019 at 1:41 am

        Certainly homicides and suicide rates declined by over 50% after the guns buy back.

        The people who believe government funded/published statistics (percentages) ….. are the same people who will “take things back” ……. that they never took “to begin with”.

        A voluntary “gun buyback program” could have very easily caused a “50% decrease in homicides and suicide rates” simply because it took the guns “off-the-streets” that the owners had no use for, …… thus preventing a family member, friend, neighbor, thief or criminal gaining possession of said gun …. plus the fact that any “would-be-criminal” knows for a fact that the gun owners who didn’t participate in said “gun buyback program” wouldn’t hesitate for more than a “second” before shooting the sorry arse of a criminal.

        Yea though I walk through the valley of death I fear no evil, ….. because I am the meanest SOB there”.

        • A lot of words which fail to address YOUR assertion viz:
          “They did it in Australia and gun crime went up.

          • TonyM – August 8, 2019 at 9:15 pm

            A lot of words which fail to address YOUR assertion viz:
            “They did it in Australia and gun crime went up. “

            TonyM, …. sorry, I just assumed you knew the difference between ….. “total number of gun crimes” …… and the “total number of gun related homicides and suicides”.

            Of course now, iffen you think suicide (via use of a gun) is a crime, …… that’s OK with me.

          • This is the claim you are backing:
            “They did it in Australia and gun crime went up. ”

            You were asked to show us your supporting statistics not waffle.

            It does not take much intelligence to read the article where it shows that both crime and suicides went down.

  21. “I’m not suggesting that normal climate activists advocate this kind of violence”

    Why not, that’s what the leftists do all the time.
    If they can tie an evil doer to someone they don’t like, they start proclaiming that the person they don’t like “influenced” the evil doer.

  22. Reason versus emotion.
    The reason it is hard to find a “conservative mass shooter” is simple,a reasonable person does not plan the murder of complete strangers and then attempt same.
    What would be conserved?
    Where as an emotionally disturbed person might.

    The politicians get lower every year,just when you think they have gone as low as public tolerance will permit,they dig even deeper.

    And our “progressive Comrades” are quite proud of their “playbook”, being power by any means possible.

    The endless temper tantrum and sheer contempt for citizens who differ from their “ideal” by the Democrat/Media Party since 2016 has been most revealing.
    Trump derangement Syndrome has been a wonderful spotlight.
    Emotionally disturbed is the polite version of the hatred,venality and spite from our progressive comrades.

    Young men are vulnerable to really bad ideas, the hate theatre of the power mad is aimed at inciting mad behaviour.
    Adults know better,than to incite a mob to riot.
    Emotional Thugs see riot as a means to power.

    Our media,our entertainment industry and our fearless leaders all profit from the fine art of glorifying violence.
    Then they condemn the young and stupid who believe them.

    On the brightside I notice more citizens are identifying evil earlier and reacting to that evil rather than the lies.

    We are from the government,we are here to help you!
    Only we can run your life as it should be!
    We know better than you!.

    The heart of Gang green and it is a deathcult. For never do they cheer any extention of time before catastrophe, never do they celebrate the planet not warming at their predicted rate.
    No cheering for the Greening of the SubSahara,no kudos for the polar bears 5 fold increase.

    Just Doom,doom,anger,lust and hatred.
    We can expect more, easily gulled children, to behave as these idiots have, because apocalyptic doom is all they hear being preached.
    By our virtue signalling comrades.

    it is possible we could stabilize social chaos,a little, by banishing the Cult of Calamitous Climate and all their fellow travellers to Gullibility Island, where they can live their dream.
    There are some mighty fine Islands in the Arctic,where they can enjoy Global Warming.
    Course what the advertising industry would do without them…

    • John Robertson, that was a beautifully written essay, chock full of social truth and facts, that can only be denied if one averts their eyes and their mind to its context/content.

      I have a “gut feeling” that if the “powers-in-charge” don’t put a ‘STOP’ to the dastardly devious political “infighting”, ….. there will be “more blood on the streets” by November.

  23. Local authorities have proven well prepared to handle these rare tragic events. The police, hospitals, courts and civilians near the events have responded well. President Obama argued that even international terrorism on our shores should be a police matter. If the US population were not so large, these rare events would not seem so common, but the chances of any one of us being victims of such an event is actually extremely small.

  24. ‘The focus should be on preventing future acts of violence, figuring out how to identify and defuse or contain crazy people before they cause harm’

    False. Dangerously WRONG. That approach has failed and will always fail.

    There is offense and there is defense. 325,000,000 citizens, tens of millions of invaders, and open borders, means that figuring out who might commit murderous offensive action is impossible. Trying to focus on the offensive side will always fail.

    The Left doesn’t want you to be able to defend yourself, your family, or your community. They want you absolutely dependent on government. They want you disarmed. So they focus on preventing the offensive action. Which cannot possibly work. Somebody shoots people in El Paso, and they demand more gun control laws. Not because they care about the dead in El Paso, but because they want to curtail your right to own guns. El Paso and Dayton are OPPORTUNITIES.

    The solution is to focus on the defensive side. What should have happened at El Paso and Dayton is that as soon as the perps started shooting, one or two armed citizens should have pulled their pistols and shot them 23 times. Turned them to hamburger.

    Response must be IMMEDIATE. When someone is shooting innocent people, you don’t have minutes for the police to arrive. In fact, at the Parkland shooting, the policeman refused to take action while a gunman shot children.

    “A mass shooting was carried out in Dayton, Ohio, United States, on August 4, 2019, at 1:05 a.m. EDT. Ten people were killed, including the perpetrator, and 27 others were injured (14 of the injured were injured by gunfire). The gunman was killed by police within 30 seconds of the first shots being fired.[5]” – Wiki

    30 seconds reaction time IS NOT ADEQUATE. Nor can that be guaranteed.

    Many areas of the U.S. now have people licensed to carry concealed weapons. The numbers are large enough that attacking the public is risky business. Yet we have government and private entities creating “gun free zones,” where only the bad guy has a gun. Government bans carrying in bars. Festival organizers declare their event “gun free.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/31/study-89-of-21st-century-mass-shootings-occurred-in-gun-free-zones/

    There was a report of one concealed carrier trying to stop the El Paso Walmart shooter, but he failed. Generally, Walmart does not ban concealed carry.

    We need an armed citizenry. Gunmen shooting into crowds should expect to be dead within 5 seconds. Once that happens just a few times, they’ll stop trying.

    Defense is the answer. Citizens are the only ones who can provide the defense. On scene. On time.

    • The gunman was killed by police within 30 seconds of the first shots being fired.”

      Shur nuff, …… just like Oswald was shooting “rapid fire” with a bolt-action rifle when JFK was assassinated.

      Shortly after 1 am local time, a gunman equipped with a military-style rifle and protective armor opened fire in Dayton’s Oregon district,

      So, was the gunman “hiding” underneath a streetlight when he opened fire …… and why did he open fire with so many cops standing close by?

      A curious mind wants to know.

    • “We need an armed citizenry. Gunmen shooting into crowds should expect to be dead within 5 seconds. Once that happens just a few times, they’ll stop trying.”

      I agree.

      • Right, if they are dead in “5 seconds” ……. them and their Lawyers would not be able to enjoy the “benefits” of the shooters crime for the next 20 years or so.

  25. In Canada the CBC has carefully tried to align the El Paso shootings with statements by Trump (which they do not cite) while never mentioning a word about the political leanings of the Ohio shooter.

    They are intimating by repetition and association, that both shooters were far right wingnuts, but carefully not actually saying so. The usual tack would be to interview someone who “thinks it is so” and not rebut.

    That one was a plain crazy political leftist and one a white nationalist (not sure why that is “right wing” instead of plain crazy) is studiously avoided and will remain so until it is sufficiently popularized on other media. Shameless. What a social embarrassment the CBC is. Independent investigation of truth is required, as usual.

  26. There are many great injustices in the world, in society, and in most people’s personal lives.

    The vast majority of people don’t respond to these great injustices with blind rage and violence. My problem with manifestos is that they are usually a consequence of someone being radicalized, not the cause. Most everyone could write a manifesto with a laundry list of all the great injustices that they feel strongly about, without the declaration of intent to harm others, of course.

    It’s true that the particular details of what these particular mass murderers professed make it more difficult for one group of politicians or the other to politicize it in their favor, but that won’t stop both sides from trying. They’re politicians, it’s what they do every minute of every day.

  27. We went through the kidnap for ransom era in the 30s, mad bomber era in the 60 and 70s, now we are in the mass shooter era, any guesses as to what the press will wind up the lunatics with next?

  28. Regarding “The “next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources,” said the document.

    He said other mass shooters have also sounded “eco-terrorist” themes”:

    If I read correctly where I saw this above, all of this came from the notably rightwing one of the two mass murderers being mentioned here. As in including, “other mass shooters have also sounded “eco-terrorist” themes” being a claim by the rightwing mass murderer.

    I have noticed that most of the mass murder shootings and other high-body-count terroristic acts on US soil, and most of the body count from such terroristic acts on US soil, were committed by rightwing types such as white nationalists & supremacists and the like, or religious fundamentalists who disfavor freedom from (or even of) religion or other aspects of USA being a “free country” as I have heard described in the 1960s.

  29. There are people with mental illness, using ADD related drugs, exposed to the full swathe of the internet etc etc in every developed nation. Many of those nations have poorer mental health provision or a greater number of people espousing liberal or eco causes than the USA.

    Only in the USA are there this number of mass shootings.

    • The largest Army on the planet is the American People And considering how many guns are in America these events are actually rare. They also are hyped up for only political purposes.
      Also most governments have far more control over their media, so these events maybe woefully under-reported.

      You also never to rarely hear when a gun, the average citizen, was carrying or had access to saved a life or lives.

      There was another event in Texas about year ago where lives were saved because a citizen with a legally owned firearm went into “Let’s Roll” mode.

    • Absolutely, the Left in the USA, aided by the Socialist Liberal Media, are pushing climate hopelessness to such a degree that many have given up and decided to take others with them through extreme actions.
      Another view held by the left is overpopulation so these misdirected extremists are likely trying to “thin the herd”

    • You don’t take into account that the United States has the 3rd largest population in the world or that that the MSM doesn’t give Jack about what happens in the rest of the world (mostly). And you have selective memory. France has a LOT more mass shootings per capita than the United States. And it is organized terror groups, not isolated nut cases.

  30. Political parties seeking power without regard for truth or justice is at the root of harmful politics. This has been clear since the Ancient Greeks’ democracy.

    The Athenian Democracy in the Age of Demosthenes (1991, Blackwell) Mogen Herman Hansen

  31. The quote from the El Paso shooter’s exact quote (masked curse words):

    “I just want to say that I love the people of this country, but g** d*** most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.”

    Earlier, in his ethnic rant, he stated “… Of course these migrants and their children have contributed to the problem, but are not the sole cause of it.”

    The point: While ranting against corporations and multi-culturalism and Hispanics and migrants he was chose to kill, indiscriminately, anyone in America because of their impact on sustainability. One concludes had it not been for the Green agenda he may have stopped at just ranting. And don’t forget that he favored universal national income as a solution.

    If one reads the manifesto and the collective works of the extremists, they all have the themes of socialism, forced action by government (totalitarianism) and use of force as justified. Compare Antifas statements to the El Paso shooter to some of the Green statements side by side with Mein Kampf. Saying these folks suffer(ed) from mental illness is a stretch. The modern day Millennial shooters may have a valid mental argument (in court) if they were taking the host of mind-altering drugs proven in clinical trials to induce suicidal and homicidal tendencies from anti-depressants to those the attention deficit, et al. And the El Paso shooter works in the mental health professions.

  32. Mental illness is a disease with many conflicts and inconsistencies…and now about as many conflicted interpreters.

  33. And Thanos. Don’t forget Thanos. (Apologies for sarcasm, but when the Babylon Bee tries to do satire, it often just reports reality)

  34. Saw a report that the recent manifesto may not be authentic. But …. There does seem to be a lot of terrrorism for cause by disturbed, powerless people looking for a reaction. Why wouldn’t “the environment” appeal to the deranged to be an excuse to get everyone talking about an issue having nothing to do with his/her powerlessness and delusion?

  35. “I have personally made the mistake in the past of trying to draw meaning from the irrational eco-terrorist rants of mass murderers. I am sorry for any upset I caused.”
    No need to be sorry for attempting the impossible. We all at times try to draw rational conclusions from irrational data or to use rational arguments against irrational statements or ideas. All we succeed in doing is drawing ever more extreme and irrational argument.
    Best to just call bullshit to to all illogical argument or motive and ignore it from there on.

  36. Of course, the DNC and the MSM take no accountability whatsoever despite constantly screeching about “The Reistance” for three years. Throw in these two turds, and those who attempted to kill Republican politicians and attacked ICE facilities (which the media barely gave coverage to) and it’s suspiciously trend like.

    Maybe it’s not such a smart idea to keep pushing the crap about 12 years to save the Earth and Orange Man bad all the time. Especially seeing as some of those watching, listening or reading what are essentially nothing more than opinons without context or facts, are mentally unstable individuals who are generally pissed off at the World and how they are seen in society.

    The failing MSM and social media does more damage sowing division to the nation for financial profit in 24 hours, than any President could ever achieve in a century. Fewer people are watching or taking any notice as trust has long gone, but those who do are becoming more militant as a direct result of outrage for clicks to save a dying legacy media. “Any means necessary” is spoken far too often by commentators, journalists and social influencers with no criticism or any level of self reflection, or any concern for real world consequences.

  37. Having no agenda that most people want slander of their opponents and importing votes is all the democrats have to stay in power. While they talk violence against their opponents they accuse others of what they themselves are doing and are supported by the MSM with one sentence disparaging remarks as if they could not put a coherent paragraph in their comments.

  38. People aren’t born with “a spark of the divine” within them. They are born with “a spark of evil” within them.
    (I won’t get into the only thing that can change that. Some here already know that and that we need to keep it quenched.)
    We’ve seen some jump on a headline weather event promoted as proof of CAGW and the need for politicians to “control something!”.
    For much longer we’ve seen some jump on a headline shooting event as proof of the need to do away with the 2nd Amendment. (The politicians don’t have the guts or integrity to just come out and say that.) They call it “Gun Control” instead.
    I know there’s a logical fallacy “After the Fact therefore Because of the Fact”.
    It seems like there should be another along the lines of “After the Fact therefore Let’s Exploit the Fact”.
    Lies aren’t right or left know matter what the “Fact”.

  39. Remember, in any group of people you see, about 10 percent will be psychos of one degree or another.

  40. The two eco -anarchists perpetrating these killings are but a small example of what a whole batch of these
    people would do given half a chance .
    These tragic murders are in part the consequence of a massive global warming fraud promoted by MSM
    and rent seekers disguised as climate champions . The NYT , WP , LA T and many many others have been lying to the public for over a decade .
    Tens of thousands of deaths each year because people live in fuel poverty caused by misguided government policy and corporate greed .

    • Amber wrote:
      “Tens of thousands of deaths each year because people live in fuel poverty caused by misguided government policy and corporate greed .”

      Directionally correct Amber, but your mortality numbers are probably ‘way too low.

      Global Excess Winter Mortality probably totals well-in-excess of two million souls per year. Not all of these can be ascribed to fuel poverty, but many can.

      Regards, Allan

      https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-why-the-great-fossil-fuel-phase-out-is-scientific-economic-and-political-fantasy-akin-to-time-travel#comments-area

      In Winter 2017-18, 35,000 MORE Excess Winter Deaths occurred in England and Wales than the average rate in the USA – the UK government is killing off their elderly and poor with their destructive green energy policies.

      Joe d’Aleo and I co-authored the following paper on Excess Winter Mortality in 2015. The title states the reality that cold weather kills much more than warm weather.

      COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER
      by Joseph d’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015
      https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf

      Excess Winter Mortality is the number of deaths that occur in the four winter months (December through March in the NH) minus the number of deaths that occur in equivalent non-winter periods.

      About 100,000 Excess Winter Deaths occur annually in the USA, equivalent to about two-9-11’s per week for 17 weeks every year.

      Colder Canada typically experiences about 5000 to 10,000 Excess Winter Deaths per year.

      More than 50,000 Excess Winter Deaths occurred in England and Wales last winter (2017-2018) – an Excess Winter Death rate more than 2.5 times the per-capita average rate of the USA, and 2.5 to 5 times the per capita rate in Canada.

      Even in warm climates like Thailand and Brazil, there is a significant Excess Winter Death rate, but it is typically lower than in colder countries.

      The data suggests that Earth is significantly colder-than-optimum for human longevity. Other factors, such as energy pricing and the quality of housing insulation and heating systems are also important to reduce winter mortality.

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