Here’s The Next Obama-Era Reg Trump’s Energy Department Is Preparing To Nix

From The Daily Caller

Chris White Tech Reporter

July 03, 2019 6:00 PM ET

The Department of Energy announced Tuesday a rule-making process that could ding an Obama-era environmental regulation slowing down dishwashers.

DOE decided to grant a petition to the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) to allow a dishwasher product class with a cycle time for the normal cycle of less than one hour. Former President Barack Obama enacted a rule in 2016 making the average dishwasher cycle more than two hours — Americans enjoyed a cycle time of one hour decades ago.

The Obama-era rule was part of the DOE’s plan at the time to impose 23 different energy efficiency regulations for household appliances by 2018. Obama issued more energy standards for household appliances than any previous administration, all in the name of fighting global warming.

President Barack Obama reacts with a gesture on stage as he listens to a speech by Hillary Clinton at the Charlotte Convention Center. Shutterstock
President Barack Obama reacts with a gesture on stage as he listens to a speech by Hillary Clinton at the Charlotte Convention Center. Shutterstock

“CEI’s petition, for dishwashers that benefit consumers by cleaning fast and well, was supported by an avalanche of comments from individual Americans who were fed up with today’s slow, lousy models,” CEI attorney Devin Watkins said in a statement. (RELATED: Americans Are Complaining That DOE Regs Are Ruining Their New Dishwashers)

He added: “This situation is the result of government so-called ‘efficiency’ rules that, over the years, have more than doubled the time that dishwashers take to operate.”

Americans demanded the DOE reconfigure rules governing newer model dishwashers.

More than 2,300 comments were filed with the DOE in 2018 asking federal regulators allow faster dishwashers before the comment period closed June of that year, according to government data. The agency fielded requests from the public on the issue after receiving a petition in March from CEI, a free-market group based in Washington, D.C.

A rule making washing machines more efficient required “manufacturers” to “increase the cycle time” to compensate for the regulation’s inability to effectively clean dishes, DOE acknowledged in 2016. A few of the comments suggested the dishwashers are effectively useless and require more than one cycle to get dishes fully clean.

“Until we went to my parents house, who have a much older dishwasher than us, we had no clue how terrible of a job our newer dishwasher was doing compared to theirs,” one person wrote the DOE in 2018. “We are left doing hand washing a lot at home because of how poorly the top rack cleans dishes. What a waste of water.”

Another commenter argued the new dishwashers waste water and are too expensive.

“On our second dishwasher and still dishes come out smelly and not fully clean with long run times,” another person wrote. “Spent $900 on a dishwasher that is far worse than my first one bought in the early nineties that cost $200. Aren’t we supposed to be improving?”

The DOE has not responded to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment.

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Tom Halla
July 4, 2019 6:35 am

The greens don’t care.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 4, 2019 7:14 am

Make them care. If you can’t clean your dishes, switch to disposable paper plates and plastic cutlery.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 4, 2019 9:52 am

What has this to do with being “green”, just tell the kids to wash the dishes instead of spending every free minute on Instragram and Farcebook. Very “low carbon ” solution.

Also if you wash everything straight after eating you don’t a high temp jet cleaner to get the food off.

Never owned a dish-washer, never needed a dish-washer, neither slow nor fast, Bush/Obamha/Trump flavour nor otherwise.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 4, 2019 1:54 pm

So keeping my 1998 dishwasher wasn’t such a bad idea, after all? Yeah, I thought so.

Energy efficiency? How is doubling the cycle more energy efficient? How? Anyone have an answer to that? Anyone? Bueller?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Sara
July 4, 2019 4:11 pm

So keeping my 1998 dishwasher wasn’t such a bad idea,

I guess that my wife’s Whirlpool dishwasher must have been built on a Wednesday morning because it is still functioning properly after 25+ years of use.

R Terrell
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
July 17, 2019 7:59 am

In 2003 we bought a house that was built in the late 70’s, which came with t a Kitchen Aid dishwasher. It is STILL working today and it gets our dishes clean in an hour! I see no reason to replace it any time soon! How can dishwasher be ‘more efficient’ if it take TWICE as long and STILL doesn’t get the dishes clean? It sounds like ‘liberal logic’, to me!

Reply to  Sara
July 5, 2019 6:33 am

Chemistry. Your dishes are primarily cleaned by chemicals. The longer dwell times between rinses use less water. Unfortunately, most of the EPA energy savings from your appliances come from limiting water use. The EPA assigns an energy value to water. Don’t believe me? Look at your energy star rating for your front load washer. It will say something like Energy savings 71% and Water savings 72%. It’s a scam. Concentrated detergents clean better, but they need more rinsing. Unfortunately, you have to hit the ‘extra rinse’ button to remove the chemical residue left by most appliances. The regular cycles are there to appease the EPA.

Reply to  JohnM
July 6, 2019 5:45 pm

Has anyone bought a Maytag clothes washer recently? My God, my wife says ours has a built-in water governor that absolutely controls/limits the water used in all cleaning cycles. No override allowed. I told her it probably has a chip that requires it to report such attempts to authorities.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 4, 2019 9:13 pm

Trump should stop tinkering with the Obama laws and regulations. Just pass one Omnibus Bill that repeals EVERYTHING that happened in the Obama era, and throw in a bunch of Clinton era and other stuff too. Scrap the lot!

We’re definitely going to have to do this with Trudeau here in Canada, as well as reversing all his patronage appointments, including all the functional illiterates who are now federal Justices, heads of government boards etc.

“Team Trudeau appointing family, friends and donors as judges … again!”
Brian Lilley, Published: July 2, 2019

Regards, Allan in Canazuela

Samuel C Cogar
July 5, 2019 4:10 am

Trump should stop tinkering with” ……. those lefty liberal Judges that get their “marching orders” from the Democrats.

I think President Trump should “outsmart” the treasonist Democrats by getting a pro-Republican Federal Circuit Court Judge to immediately declare his Executive Orders legal and binding as soon as Trump announces them, …….. then the Democrats will have to find a “higher authority” to stop Trump.

Tom Halla
July 5, 2019 4:56 am

Hell, the US hasn’t repealed some of Jimmy Carter’s executive orders on how to follow the Environmental Impact procedures, which lead to endless delays on many projects.

July 4, 2019 7:10 am

Could someone please bump ventless gas cans to the top of the list?

Reply to  Rod
July 4, 2019 8:52 am

You can get a “replacement kit” that has a useable spout and vent kit. These are often right next to the gas cans. If you don’t want to do your own modification (I had a great time fixing mine! Loved every minute of it!), just buy a replacement spout. Apparently, the regulation only covers the original spout on the ventless can and does not address any modifications thereafter. Doesn’t address the need for the can to remain ventless either. Hopefully, lawmakers won’t be bothered enought to fix that loophole.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Sheri
July 4, 2019 9:27 am

You can thank California’s Air Resource Board (CARB) for the self-closing non-vented gas can spout engineering disaster.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
July 4, 2019 10:51 am

The CARB gas can I own causes me to SPILL more gasoline than I ever had using “wasteful, polluting” cans of the past. Where is that little factoid in the CARB analysis? Ohhhhh yeah … REALITY means nothing to a government bureaucrat.

Reply to  Kenji
July 5, 2019 6:35 am

True. I’ve gotten so much gas on my hands messing with these things.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Sheri
July 4, 2019 9:27 am

You can thank California’s Air Resource Board (CARB) for the self-closing non-vented gas can spout engineering disaster.

R Terrell
Reply to  Sheri
July 17, 2019 8:04 am

Just find a suitable plastic plug and punch a hole in the can! When it needs venting, just pull the plug out, replacing when you are done! Simple! MOST of Obama’s EO’s were just bone-stupid! He thought he was an expert in everything!

Reply to  Rod
July 4, 2019 10:04 am

Easiest solution for a plastic can is to drill a small hole opposite the pour spout and put a screw in it, then remove the screw to let in air. In plastic the screw is self sealing.

Rod Everson
Reply to  BFL
July 5, 2019 7:55 am

That sounds like a great idea (the screw) and I won’t feel a big bad drilling a hole in the plastic can either because in its current form I value it less than worthless. My solution has been to prop it up against a wall with the spout inserted into another (older, vented) gas can and just let it sit there, emptying into the usable can, hoping it doesn’t tip and spill the lot. It’s a five-gallon can and takes four to five minutes to empty completely. Idiot bureaucrats.

Tom Rezek
Reply to  Rod Everson
July 6, 2019 11:26 am

I drilled the hole and used JB weld to a fix a machine nut and screw the bolt in when not using

Bruce Cobb
July 4, 2019 7:17 am

“Energy – efficient” used to mean doing the same amount of work in the same time, and using less energy. It also used to mean it was entirely up to consumer demand to determine whether a new, more energy-efficient product was worth the (presumably) higher initial cost, not the goobermint. Trump sure has his work cut out for him rolling back crap regulations forcing crap products down consumer’s throats. Four more years! And even that won’t be enough to undo all the damage done, by both Dems and Republicans I might add.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 4, 2019 9:46 am

Well said, Mr. Cobb.

July 4, 2019 7:58 am

Just like the rules on the amount of water in a flush. With the One Gallon flush I now have two choices; If Number 1 – flush once, if number 2 flush Twice or count on calling the plumber about every six months to clean out the main drain line.
The dumbest EPA rules are those allowing Biofuels. How does cutting down a million acres of rain forests reduce CO2? Then you need to consider the massive slaughter/deaths of the animal life in those forests. INSANE.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Usurbrain
July 4, 2019 10:03 am

Keep a quart-size jar or can of water by the open mouth of the beast.
Pour the water in as you flush, with a little flurry at the end to celebrate
your victory.
The size of your extra water can may vary depending on things.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
July 4, 2019 11:20 am

Inotherwords … live like a pioneer on the prairie in 1823. Nope. When I ride the porcelain pony, it is with my iPhone in hand … not buckets of water.

Here in CA, I purchase the low flow toilets and fluorescent bulbs … install them to pass building inspection … then replace them with proper fixtures when the building inspectors have gone.

After all … it’s called INDEPENDENCE day … not bureaucrat slaveholder day.

nw sage
Reply to  Kenji
July 5, 2019 5:38 pm

Heck, I always thought the porcelain pots were for growing plants and the fluorescent lights were grow lamps – help my plants grow better, for sure.

Reply to  John F. Hultquist
July 4, 2019 12:05 pm

I let the shower run into a bucket until the water is warm. Later, I use the bucket for a mega-flush.

A friend went all green and installed low-flush toilets. Over the next years, she spent hundreds of dollars on plumber calls and saved maybe $100 on her water bill.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 4, 2019 2:48 pm

I have that problem in my kitchen. We are forced to have spiggots with low flow – but the house was designed for the older high flow water so the kitchen sink drain always gets clogged because the food gets stuck in the drain pipes. Newer houses have bigger drain pipes (6″ vs 3″) and a steeper slope so they can handle the low flow.

Reply to  marque2
July 5, 2019 2:44 am

The slope of sewer pipes in older systems (nearly every city in the country) was chosen to accommodate the water-to-solids ratio of the era of tub baths (not trickle showers), high-flow toilets, sink dishwashing, and no garbage disposals. Our “modern, water-saving” life style has completely altered this ratio, allowing solids to settle and dry in many low-slope pipe sections. Lots of sewer pipe replacement in our future!

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 6, 2019 1:39 pm

Just hold the handle down until you get a good flush!

Reply to  Usurbrain
July 5, 2019 9:33 am

You just don’t get it, do you?

Coach Springer
July 4, 2019 8:06 am

Just had to replace our 3 year-old dishwasher because the control board went out. Very, very expensive repair. It was top of the line. Was scratching my head over the energy efficiency statement on the new one saying it ran longer to save energy “like a car driving slower to save gas.” Your explanation makes a lot of sense.

And yes, these Obama era dishwashers are proven junk.

Bryan A
Reply to  Coach Springer
July 4, 2019 8:38 am

Yep, twice the cycle length equates to twice the electricity usage

July 4, 2019 8:36 am

Noticed the same with each new toploader washing machine until the last one was taking over an hour and half to do a load with some pathetic feeble action. Then the missus complained it was stopping on her although I had no problem except it took so long the daughter would forget it and then next day or so decide to wash her stuff again because it was ‘musty’. So much for saving my resources. Then I discovered the missus was putting bed sheets and full wash stuff on Delicates cycle to try and cut down the laborious time and it would trip out of balance. Aaaaargh!

That’s when it hit me how you could blow a wash through the caravan park WMs in 35-40 mins flat like the ones of old. So I brought home a brand spanking commercial Speed Queen and peed the less than one year old Green horror off on some poor dumb shmuck and peace in our time.

Taking all bloody weekend to do simple household chores with these ‘green’ whitegoods and appliances is all about trying to reduce peak demand on their horrible unreliables power grid and it could be as simple as that to bring their whole rotten edifice crashing down around their ears. Don’t ever mess with my commercial Speed Queen watermelons or it’s WWIII.

Ron Long
Reply to  observa
July 4, 2019 10:14 am

You peed on a less than one year old Greenie? While I admire your style maybe they might start looking for you? Wow.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  observa
July 4, 2019 10:30 am

Agreed modern appliances suck. I was really pissed at how bad toasters are today. I used to love my grandmothers toaster so I bought a similar model a 1952 Sunbeam radiant fully automatic toaster. It is the best toaster I have ever used, incredibly fast and perfectly toasted every time. Brown and crispy on the outside and soft on the inside. Doesn’t care if the bread is frozen or thawed. Yum Yum. Thanks for the washer idea. I will check on the availability.

Smart Rock
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 4, 2019 1:06 pm

In Canada, anyway, you can still buy toasters where the elements glow a bright orange and toast your bread in a minute or less. You have to go to discount stores and be prepared to pay less than $20.

Or you can buy a “quality” toaster for anything up to $100 (or even more if it has an Italian name) and you’ll see elements that heat up to dull red and, in 3 or 4 minutes, give you toast that’s sort of brown in places, but is dried out and often brittle. We have both kinds, one for me and one for my ex-fiancée who still thinks expensive is good.

Paul Watkinson
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 4, 2019 4:15 pm

Vacuum cleaners are bad too – a distinct lack of vacuum! Cleaning takes more than twice as long.Electricity consumed + 10%. Peak demand for the utility unaltered.

old construction worker
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 8, 2019 1:33 am

‘… Sunbeam radiant fully automatic toaster.’ My sister almost divorced her husband over a old Sunbeam Toaster. Instead of fixing the plug he threw it out and bought her a new toaster.

Bob Buchanan
Reply to  observa
July 4, 2019 12:38 pm

Our “old” high efficiency washer never removed the soap from our clothes. When it died an early death we too opted for a Speed Queen. It uses however much water we tell it. Does three rinses. Any temperature, long or short cycle … and gets the clothes clean quickly. Great machine and based on published reports will last much longer than the high end junk.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  observa
July 4, 2019 1:21 pm

We got suckered into a Maytag “green” gas dryer for our last purchase. It came with a nice rebate. However, all the various “energy saving” settings would not get the clothes dry. Maybe on the third time through. So now, it’s 90 minutes on low for every type of load.

Paul Watkinson
Reply to  observa
July 4, 2019 4:04 pm

Agreed Observa, peak demand reduction is a myth trotted out to make us believe that the use of less powerful ‘green’ devices is reducing the energy consumed. The fact that the less powerful device has to work for longer to achieve equivalent performance contradicts that. Furthermore, peak demand seen at the generator is unaffected.

Reply to  observa
July 5, 2019 4:20 am

That is interesting that you purchased a commercial grade appliance. You have a brave dealer since he could lose his franchise by selling commercial appliances to regular consumers.

Apparently this obvious loophole was anticipated by the bureaucrats when they applied their personal demonstration of contempt for We The People in this regulative obscenity.

Reply to  AWG
July 5, 2019 7:52 am

“You have a brave dealer since he could lose his franchise by selling commercial appliances to regular consumers.”

I’m in South Oz mate so they haven’t cottoned on to your rules by the sounds of things. They’re not cheap here and not widely available in retail stores so you have to go looking but there’s many reports they’ll last 25 years without trouble in a domestic situation.

Forget electronic motherboards and digital displays as you want the trusty electromechanical timer in a humid laundry. The secret with any washer is to get out the spirit level and make sure it’s plumb and firm on its feet from day one and dontcha just love that 1 star energy rating-
Means it kicks butt quick and it’s no dearer to run than spreading the power over your weekend to pander to the fickle wind and solar grid ripoff.

Beauty of a top loader with the muddy footy gear or greasy work clobber is you can load it up and let it start and mix the suds and then open the lid and let it all soak overnight if need be. Drop the lid in the morning and by the time you’ve had the heart starter coffee it’s ready for the Hills Hoist and man those Speed Queens can spin stuff dry. By the time you’ve finished hanging out a load it’s time to go round to the start and bring it in 😉

Christopher Erikson
July 4, 2019 8:39 am

It’s appalling that a supposedly free people in a supposedly free market have to come crawling to a govt mandarin to play ‘mother may I’ , with some arbitrary official with power over something like this triviality. Since when did liberty mean crawling to some dishwasher commissar to beg for a change to their Official Judgement on how your washing machine should work.

Gary Mount
July 4, 2019 8:40 am

The following makes me very very sad:

Powerplay Wireless Charging System
Due to the Canadian wireless charging regulation, the Logitech POWERPLAY WIRELESS CHARGING SYSTEM (sold seperately, part number 943-000109) is not available in Canada.

July 4, 2019 9:04 am

For about 10 years, from 2005 to 2015 or so, one of my primary jobs was installing Dishwashers for Sears. I still remember when we started seeing the new Green ‘European Style’ Dishwashers. The first couple were a real shock. Before only the cheapest of the econo boxes didn’t have a heating element. Yet here were 4 to 6 hundred dollars models that were drip dry, or MAYBE had a little fan to blow air through them (from UNDER the dishwasher?! Euw!)
That would take forever to dry. Also, no heating element meant no heating the water to sterilized the dishes. Around here most people have turned down their water heater to save money, which worked because the only time you really needed water above 110°F was for Dishwashing anyway, and it had a heater.
The first time we hooked one up and tested it was one hell of a shock. We always tested them by running them for a couple minutes, then useing the cancel/drain feature to make sure it drained properly. So we fire it up and the timer read 148 minutes. I turned to my partner and said ‘That can’t be right? That’s more then two hours!” Actually it was almost two and a half, and as I came to learn, probably would still need more to dry completely.
Then we find out (with plenty of searching through the manual) that this model, a Bosh I think, didn’t have a cancel and drain feature. The only way we could figure out to test it was to just let it run its whole 2+ hour cycle.

We did eventually figure out that if you canceled a cycle, then started a new one, it would drain first (after thinking about what to do with all this water siting here for 30 or 40 seconds, first) before starting the new cycle. Then you just needed to cancel again before the new cycle got going. Definitely NOT an improvement over the old system, aka “Hold the cancel button for 3 sec to drain”

Honestly, it was watching the Dishwashers flounder into time wasting inefficiency that didn’t even do a good job washing dishes that convinced me that ‘Green’ was mostly a crock.


Loren Wilson
Reply to  Schitzree
July 4, 2019 10:31 am

Bosch has a heating element, but it is not exposed in the tub, but inside the plumbing. It gets the water plenty hot.

Reply to  Loren Wilson
July 4, 2019 6:12 pm

Maybe the new Bosch have one, I haven’t done Dishwashers in a few years. They definitely didn’t have a sterilize cycle back then, and the water never got hotter then what came from the tap.

And if the heater now just heats the water, it still doesn’t help in drying. That was WHY the element was in the bottom of the tub. Of course, it also was a potential problem if a fork or something fell down on top of it… especially if it also had a plastic tub. Once saw a fork that landed on the element get hot enough to melt a hole in the tub. ;p

Have to say, the last few years I was doing installs ALL the appliances seemed to be getting cheaper and cheaper. Not just ‘Green’ efficiency things, but plain cheap construction. And they certainly didn’t last like theyes used to. Can’t even blame it on foreign construction, because most were made right here in the US… or at least assembled here. Regardless, no reason for the flimsy construction or junk electronics. They were just throwing out trash expecting to get by on the companies once good names.

Sad to see all the old Companies being run into the ground this way, with scum bags like Eddie Lampert fleecing them for everything they can steal.


Reply to  Schitzree
July 4, 2019 11:44 am

We have a three year old Bosch dishwasher. Should have just spent the money to repair the old Kenmore… coulda, woulda, shoulda. Anyway, fortunately we live in a soft water area and get by fine using the 40 minute “Express Wash” cycle. Lots of bells and whistles on this thing, and since the first month we have not used any of them. I also removed the tiny Bosch silverware rack and squeezed in the old Kenmore rack.

Reply to  Schitzree
July 6, 2019 11:29 am

We did renovations in 2004/5 and bought a high end Bosch. It’s been great, heats the water. I used to use the quick wash cycle, 42 mins, until I decided that the dishes weren’t getting clean enough then switched to the regular wash cycle which is 107 mins. Now that I know current dishwashers suck, I hope it lasts for a long time.

July 4, 2019 9:30 am

We bought a Kenmore dishwasher after these regs were put into place. It wasn’t cheap and it takes 3 to 4 hours to clean, but it is whisper quiet and cleans better than any dishwasher we owned. I am thinking it is not so much the regulations, but the quality. But I do remember I had to search long and hard to find a dishwasher with a heater in it. If I had to guess, my guess would be the dishwashers that are no good have no heater element to save energy because “global warming”.

July 4, 2019 9:33 am

Similar with clothes washers.
Have to do an extra rinse cycle to make sure the detergent is gone.

Reply to  Bob Hoye
July 5, 2019 4:07 am

add vinegar half cup or so to the last rinse and you wont have to do the extra one;-)
doesnt affect the clothes but does kill the suds

Reply to  Bob Hoye
July 5, 2019 4:57 pm

For clothes I bought a Schulthess. Very good energy rating on the program you never use. All other programs use water like 20 years ago. Clean and fast.
3 whashes of 3 hours would simply force us to change day schedule, just for whashing. The Schulthess does not have that problem.

July 4, 2019 9:41 am

A decent dishwasher seems like such a small thing, but I and several of my friends have been holding onto our old dishwashers because they are so much faster than the new ones. This is actually similar to the “broken window” philosophy of maintaining law and order. Get on the small stuff, and everything seems to improve.

I’m not yet tired of winning. This is a great time to be alive!

I don’t expect to see a lot of naysayers today. This is the day they go about sullen as folks who love America celebrate one of the greatest days in world history.

July 4, 2019 9:50 am

Love the picture of Obama smirking as he creates an array of regulations and EOs intended to lower the standard of living for the average American. Only politicians and bureaucrats thrived.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  KaliforniaKook
July 4, 2019 10:13 am

Obama ==> worst president ever

Loren Wilson
July 4, 2019 10:26 am

I had one of these, made by GE. It had no scrubbing power whatsoever. If there was food stuck to a plate when it went into the dishwasher, it was still there when it came out. It also used so little water that the dishes did not get rinsed properly. Many loads had to be prewashed, or run twice, eliminating any energy and water savings. My wife did some research and bought a better dishwasher (a Bosch). Still needs a more effective rinse cycle but at least the dishes get cleaner. All these rules did was make the dishwashers cost twice as much to gain a tiny bit of potential efficiency, which was all lost because the dishwashers no longer get the dishes clean. I have seriously considered hacking the program in the dishwasher and reprogramming it to actually become a dishwasher.

Bill Chunko
July 4, 2019 10:35 am

And while we’re at it, let’s talk about “Strike Anywhere” matches. The government forced a change in the materials so that drug dealers couldn’t use them to make Meth. Now they don’t work worth a damn! Not funny when you’re out in the wilderness and need to make a campfire.

Reply to  Bill Chunko
July 5, 2019 12:54 am

Actually, it looks like the real problem was increased shipping cost because there was the possibility of self-ignition during transit. There’s a good article on it here.

We used to use nothing but Ohio Blue Tip strike anywhere matches. Dad would buy them by the case. Not sure why it’s so hard to ship them now when they managed it 40 years ago.


michael hart
July 4, 2019 10:43 am

Back over here in front-loader land, I observed our new (clothes) washing machine only does one rinse cycle. I consider my skin to be sensitive to un-rinsed detergents so I now always put it on another rinse cycle after it has finished.

Even if I am wrong, and washing machines never did do more than one rinse cycle, they have lost my trust and therefore lost the game, at least until such time as they can entirely prevent me from ruling over my own machines (though now I think about it, I suddenly remembered:

R Terrell
Reply to  michael hart
July 17, 2019 8:12 am

I own a new GE super washer, and it o ffers the option of a second rinse. My old Maytag, which I bought new in 1995, also had a second rinse. The buyer/owner should have the FULL control over their own machines! What I DON’T like about this new machine is, there are NO AGITATORS! As a result, clothes do not get clean! It is a water saving machine, but the clothes do NOT get clean! Where, then, is the saving?
The clothes just get get scooted around the inside of the tub and then spun out!

Michael Jankowski
July 4, 2019 10:50 am

Yeah I have to do two dishwasher cycles…insane. The toilet analogy is quite appropriate. The new and LEED “Gold” building I used to work in had urinals and toilets that always required at least a second flush.

My hi-tech washing machine has all-sorts of bells-and-whistles, but “sanitary” cycle is 3 hrs 45 mins. Most of it seems to be sitting there and letting dirt particles settle-out so that the small amount of water being used for washing doesn’t get too dirty.

July 4, 2019 11:13 am

I am not a fan of complex dishwashers with 47 different cycles, and recently purchased a Bosch model (my old one died) with with about 6-cycles. When I brought it home and installed it … to my horror … 5 of the 6 cylcles … including my favorite “pot scrubber” setting took about 2-1/2 hours to run … and DID NOT use a heating element to dry the dishes. Dishes coming out of that cycle were dripping wet and needed to be dried by hand (a feature, not a bug for the eco-left).

Thankfully … Bosch somehow discovered how to get ONE cycle to run for exactly 1-hour. After discovering this cycle … it’s the only one I use. And I don’t know HOW they do it … but the dishes come out as clean (if not cleaner) as from the “stain” cycle. Hint: dishwashers MUST be loaded corrrectly to allow the spray arms to reach all dish surfaces. I even forced the wife to read the Bosch guide to properly load the silverware tray (handles-down). I’m grateful Bosch figured out how to game the regs

July 4, 2019 12:10 pm

Congrats on 4/7 ex-colonials!! You did the right thing, I hate tea.
Most washing machines / dishwashers here (UK) are cold fill only and so have heaters. Our main beef is with the EUSSR decreeing that vacuum cleaners must be limited to around 50% power of the old ones. Great.

July 4, 2019 12:29 pm

Now let’s get back our lightbulbs and get rid of those spirochete bulbs that don’t give enough light, don’r provide heat, and don’t last as long as incandescents.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 4, 2019 6:13 pm

Actually my LED bulbs are great! They are bright and last a very long time. Very advantageous for an old woman no bigger than a leprechaun.

Reply to  Pamela Gray
July 4, 2019 8:23 pm

Some LED’s in SOME configurations are successful and can actually save quite a bit of $$. But the temperature/color must be warmed. Not all LED fixtures are created equal. Some are absolute junk that overheat and put out disturbing light. The idea of MANDATING them … and DESTROYING incandescent fixtures is simply totalitarian and fascist.

James Clarke
July 4, 2019 12:38 pm

My biggest complaint is the regulated shower heads. I guess they made sense in when I lived in Phoenix, where the Salt River flows into the city and disappears. Now I live in the Midwest, where our biggest problem is too much water everywhere…except in our toilets, washing machines, dishwashers and especially, in our bathroom showers.

Today, that wonderful, soothing feeling of cascading hot water can only be enjoyed by one part of my body at a time, while the other parts suffer the chill of evaporation. I use to leave a shower feeling refreshed and relaxed. Now I leave the shower feeling disappointed and slightly soapy! Sometimes I take longer showers in the hope that more time will make up for the lack of flow, but just like the longer dishwasher cycles, I still come out feeling like the mission was not quite accomplished.

Can someone put me in touch with a dealer of black market, high-flow shower heads?

Reply to  James Clarke
July 4, 2019 1:20 pm

I literally drilled-out the flow restrictor in my fancy Grohe kitchen faucet. It is permanently attached to the spout … so I took my handy portable drill … and destroyed that muh restrictor. Now, I can quickly and thoroughly rinse the soap off my pots and pans. Man finds a way.

July 4, 2019 12:38 pm

now if my push lawn mower could just expel the grass clippings.

Linda Goodman
July 4, 2019 12:44 pm

The Obama Nation was slowly adapting Americans to accept less and less quality and more and more control. I can still smell the stench of that New World Odor we barely escaped on the Trump Train.

John Robertson
July 4, 2019 1:05 pm

“We are from the government and we are here to help you”
Giving whole new meaning to the word “HELP”.
Government is bloated beyond all sanity.
Fire 50% today another 50% every six months there after.
Or term limit employment within the bureaus and forbidden all government paid individuals the right to vote.
For that conflict of interest has proven deadly to fiscally responsible government.

Cliff Hilton
July 4, 2019 3:17 pm

I, for one, am quite satisfied with my dishwasher. I don’t understand all the fuss. It’s, oh so quiet and never uses a drop of energy. Unless you close the door and hit the button.

It is, though, the most expensive drying rack on the market. I really wish someone would build a more affordable drying rack that looks like a dishwasher but isn’t.

I must confess, I do use it, from time to time. Like when it gets full of dust and slime, from the water pooling in the bottom. I never leave any dishes in there though. They would get dirty.

For you who lost loved ones in the fight for liberty and freedom; may God bless you. God bless America.

Pamela Gray
July 4, 2019 4:52 pm

Won’t buy a new dishwasher till I can get one better than my own two hands. Having a DW that takes two hours???????? Are you nuts?????? Take all of Obummer’s stupid decisions and put them through the sani wash! Wait…is that still an option?

Reply to  Pamela Gray
July 5, 2019 9:56 am

I have come to love my Samsung waterwall dishwasher. It is the most reviled dishwasher ever made, with everybody giving it bad ratings. But, it has an effective 1 hr cycle, and if you you rinse aid, this dishes come out dry without using the drying cycle. The wine glasses sparkle. I’ll never go back!
P.S. My daughter’s entry level Bosch has an effective 30 minute cycle.
Both these machines are fairly new, bought in the last three years.

July 4, 2019 5:07 pm

My clothes washer, bought in 2005, replaced the old one which broke the agitator spindle connection. This lovely thing has a double rinse cycle, which I use always. It’s a GE, and it works just fine. I guess I’ll just keep my non-EPA acceptable outdated but still working appliances for the time being and get on with laundry and cooking. At least my dryer gets clothing dry.

July 4, 2019 6:25 pm

If as per the comments, that President Obama was such a Dud, then how
come he was voted in for a second term ?

The old saying, “You get the sort of government that you deserve””.


Tom Halla
Reply to  Michael
July 4, 2019 6:44 pm

Obama was reelected largely because Mitt Romney was unwilling to go on the attack, acting as if wanting to win too much was beneath his dignity.

July 5, 2019 4:41 am

I think it would be far better to disband the DOE (both of em).

July 5, 2019 5:48 am

“Get Barack Insein Obama out of my dishwasher”

July 5, 2019 9:51 am

I want control of my clothes washer back. Can we get a petition on them, too?

I can’t use warm water, which I like primarily because the washing machine fills too slowly and having both taps on fills it faster. But it’s programmed to check the water temperature and if the cold water is warmer than the EPA’s definition for warm, the machine says, “your water is warm enough now” and it won’t turn on the hot water to mix in.

Which means I only get to wash clothes with a faster fill time on the coldest days of the year when the cold water meets the EPA definition of cold. The problem is that I live in Florida, which is why the cold tap water meets the EPA definition of warm almost 24/7/365 and the EPA forbids me to mix in hot water if I want to.

July 5, 2019 12:48 pm

“Pots and Pans” mode checked, “High Temp Wash” mode checked – does ok. Takes forever, but does ok.

Regular mode takes forever and leaves detergent on the dishes.

July 5, 2019 1:33 pm

We just purchased a needed dishwasher today. Looks like I will have to wait and see if they get better with the end of these regulations. Our clothes washer died several years ago, got lucky and a friend was getting rid of their 80’s model Kenmore, still working for us.


John F
July 7, 2019 2:54 am

What really gets my goat is that new clothes washing machines no longer have a Hot inlet,
I have solar water and it gets to well over 80degrees C but no I have to use cold water and then heat it with electric!

Johann Wundersamer
July 8, 2019 4:46 am

EU wants to go size down vacuum cleaners. EU does not understand that less performance means more work.

Johann Wundersamer
July 8, 2019 5:01 am

EU wants to size down vacuum cleaners.

German don’t get “half power is double work”.

Armselige Trotteln.

Johann Wundersamer
July 8, 2019 5:13 am

Armselige Trotteln.


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