Aussie Leaders Bow To Change In Political Climate And Back Coal

From The GWPF

Climate change was supposed to have won the party the Australian election. But yesterday, routed in the polls, panicking Labor Party leaders backed the opening of a coal field bigger than the UK to mining.

Concern over jobs in coal mining at sites like this one in the Hunter Valley have taken precedence over climate fears in Australia

Concern over jobs in coal mining at sites like this one in the Hunter Valley have taken precedence over climate fears in Australia

Fearing a wipeout in state elections next year amid a rising tide of pro-coal workers and a rebellion against its plans to halve Australia’s carbon emissions, the Labor state government in Queensland accelerated its decision on 105,000 square miles of coal-rich outback land known as the Galilee Basin.

It came days after the party lost what was dubbed as the “climate election” to the incumbent centre-right, pro-coal government of Scott Morrison, suffering the most damage with swings of up to 20 per cent in the coal country of central Queensland and the Hunter Valley of New South Wales.

Queensland’s premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk, announced she was overturning all attempts to block mining and all outstanding approvals would be resolved within three weeks. She said she was “fed up” with her own government’s processes, and that the election had been a “wake-up call” on mining the basin. The move was welcomed by the federal resources minister, Matt Canavan, who told The Times yesterday that the Galilee Basin represented a victory for the “hi-vis workers’ revolution” — a reference to the armies of mine workers, dressed in high-visibility shirts, who make Australia the world’s biggest coal exporter, and seemingly a reference to the “yellow vest” movement in France which battled President Macron on his climate policies.

The international climate action movement argues that if the Galilee Basin’s estimated 27 billion tons of coal was extracted, exported and burned, the extra carbon dioxide released each year would be far more than Australia’s total emissions, and would set back the world’s chances of keeping the increase in global warming under 2C.

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104 thoughts on “Aussie Leaders Bow To Change In Political Climate And Back Coal

      • That last run on sentence is at the heart of the problem. Thinking and writing as if is was certain that the globe is warming irreversibly and it is all because of a blanket of CO2 trapping heat in the atmosphere caused by man burning fossil fuel for energy.

        You would never hear from any world government nor their puppet propaganda press if one of two things where to happen over the next decade 1) Global surface Temperatures ceased rising at all. 2) Global surface temperature reversed and we began a short but steady move towards another LIA.

        in either scenario the elitists and their puppet bureaucrat propagandists will continue to beat the drum that the world is burning up and will be coming to an end if we don’t stop burning fossil fuel. Because it is fossil fuel they wish to reserve for their own elite use and there in lies the problem.

  1. Interesting development. So Australian Labor Party members in a state government are abandoning some of the green policies of the Federal candidates that just lost running on that issue? Truly astounding!

    • Amazing – some politicians even have a sense of self preservation! When they are slapped in the face with reality.

      • Noting of course that this is only “self preservation”. They don’t believe what they say, but want to sell it to the public to get back into power.

        Thieves and Liars the lot of em’.

        • Liars and thieves, likely, but that does not mean they should be scorned on the one time they decide to represent the wishes of those who elect them.

          The international climate action movement argues that if the Galilee Basin’s estimated 27 billion tons of coal was extracted, exported and burned, the extra carbon dioxide released each year would be far more than Australia’s total emissions, and would set back the world’s chances of keeping the increase in global warming under 2C.

          Maybe someone could use IPCCs figures to work out how many mirco-kelvin this is supposed to raise global temperatures by and ask Greta Iceberg what she thinks.

          • I don’t see the logic in that. They should be vilified for being chancers and only seeking to save their skins. They should wear that round their necks at the next election where they can be sent to oblivion.

        • The type of person who is scared to death of losing their nice easy jobs, because they have no clue as to how they would make a living in the real world.

    • Which goes to show that the politicians don’t care a bit about “saving the climate”, as soon as the wind turns against this crusade, they fall over themselves running away from it. This is true cowardice. Alarmists should take note; as soon as climate crises no longer pays off politically, they can say goodbye to what they my have come to believe is a massive and permanent political consensus. And politicians have long experience in deflecting any difficult questions, so don’t expect any real debate, they refused the skeptics that priviledge, the alarmists will get stonewalled as well. For politicians, there is only one salivating salvation: Voters’ votes.

    • Federal labour will walk backwards as well, the right wing has already started making itself felt in the leadership moves that saw Albenese unopposed.

    • Let’s dig it up and burn it to offset all the CO2 that is not being released due to “action on climate change”. We owe it to the plants.

  2. Vote the greenies out of existence in the government. Watch your economy grow and thrive. Watch your power grid actually work…

  3. Now they need to add some coal fired plants for electricity production to lower the cost and improve the energy reliability for the people. Like the US this will be a huge boost to their economy and it will be hard to reverse. The scam is falling apart. People are willing to save the world but not on flimsy evidence and the requirement and regress their standard of living back a 100 years.

    • Once the people get a taste of prosperity they will be reluctant to go back. Australia has a population of about 25 million people, most concentrated around a couple of large population centers. The last thing they have to worry about is their environment. As for CO2, it is plant food, not a pollutant – tell the biggest lie you can think of and a large number of people will fall for the climate con.

    • You can add coal plants, or you can have cheap electricity, you can’t have both. The cheapest way to add electricity to Australia’s grid is to add more wind and solar, firmed by pumped hydro. Both the large energy companies (E.g. AGL) and the energy market operator, AEMO agree on this.

      In other coal news, mining leases near the Adani coal mine, 3x as large, have been abandoned. Also, Australia’s largest mining company BHP, says it is winding down its thermal coal operations, as demand is expected to collapse, the second largest (RIO) has already completely abandoned coal. So perhaps a little early for coal triumphalism.

      • Tony, EVERY country that has embraced the wind & solar grid-scale base load power fantasy has unreliable, VERY expensive electricity.
        Closer to home for you, look at the outcome in South Australia.
        How are those arrays of back-up diesel generators working out for them?
        (Those installations that produce the only reliable power South Australia can generate)

      • what a fantasist, “firmed by pumped hydro” on one of the driest continents on Earth, a grid spread across 4000km+ , needing 18-30GW. Firmed indeed, firmed with Kool Aid.

        Of I guess we can use sea water because tidal and wave power has gone so well, we will be able to do that no problem. Coal power has a long and useful future despite spin doctors, virtue signalers, fantasists, liars and wishful thinkers.

        • “Firmed by pumped hydro”! That amused me too, although with a touch of despair at anyone actually believing it.

          • Tony has a long history of believing everything his handlers tell him to believe.
            He’s a good little Winston.

      • What drug are you on? The greenies have known from the beginning that “renewables” can never match fossil fuels and nuclear. But they don’t care anyway. Their true goal is the reduction of the population of the world, mostly by the poor dying off because they cannot afford power.

      • “The cheapest way to add electricity to Australia’s grid is to add more wind and solar, firmed by pumped hydro.”

        We South Australians live in the driest State in the driest continent and we’re too flat and low for pumped seawater hydro so which exact valleys in The Great Dividing Range have you pumped hydro fans earmarked for flooding with seawater given all our cities are into desal plants already? Perhaps the Greens can pinpoint them for us all and run with it at the next election or a rerun with damming the Franklin in Tasmania? Speaking of reruns ScoMo and I will look forward to such handy suggestions.

        • Here is a list of 22,000 locations for potential pumped hydro boondoggles for you guys in Oz courtesy of the UK “charity”, The Conversation:

          https://theconversation.com/want-energy-storage-here-are-22-000-sites-for-pumped-hydro-across-australia-84275

          I realise not everyone will want to follow the link, so here are a few quotables extracted:
          “PHES can readily be developed to balance the grid with any amount of solar and wind power, all the way up to 100%”
          “PV and wind are likely to accelerate away from other generation technologies because of their lower cost”
          “Although PV and wind are variable energy resources, the approaches to support them to achieve a reliable 100% renewable electricity grid are straightforward”

          Good luck, guys.

          • @PGB: I had a look at your source. Utterly stupid. Someone idiot has worked out how to convert Google Earth elevations to 3D imaging and has mapped what they think are all the plateau sites on the GDR (Great Dividing Range). Half of the “sites” on the eastern shoreline are in the Wet Tropics World Heritage area. One of the oldest extant rainforest areas on the planet. Reservoirs all over the ridge lines? Mate – the greenies don’t like reservoirs. There is no water lower down to be pumped and no power stations to pump it if it was there. If there was power available for all that pumping then the pumped hydro would not be needed would it? You obviously have no idea how big the pumps would need to be. Not something that can be picked up at a hardware store I can assure you.

          • ‘Good luck guys’

            Where’s all the water coming from with the evaporation in our summers?

            “Off-river PHES requires pairs of modestly sized reservoirs at different altitudes, typically with an area of 10 to 100 hectares. The reservoirs are joined by a pipe with a pump and turbine. Water is pumped uphill when electricity generation is plentiful; then, when generation tails off, electricity can be dispatched on demand by releasing the stored water downhill through the turbine. Off-river PHES typically delivers maximum power for between five and 25 hours, depending on the size of the reservoirs.”

            We’ve already plucked the low hanging fruit with Snowy Hydro and they’re already propping it up with fossil fuels you’ll note-
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_Hydro

            ‘In addition Snowy Hydro has developed its gas-fired power station portfolio to reduce risks to the business due to its reliance on water as an energy source’
            in addition to the cloud seeding and why would that be? Perhaps all the pumped hydro could run on Kool Aid in future?

          • Oh dear, “pumped hydro” out in the middle of Pilbarra and around Alice Springs. I wonder where they think the water is coming from.

      • And how are these solar panels to be produced? With coal powered Chinese polycrystalline silicon. You do realize that the worldwide installed base of solar panels are still many years from energy breakeven. They all have to keep producing for at least 10 years to just tread water.

        And if, as you propose, massive numbers of additional solar panels are produced, the breakeven date will move farther into the future.

        If NONE of the existing solar farms we’re produced, the current level of CO2 would be LOWER than it is today.

      • the near adani lease apps were placed BY china..who are miffed we also agreed with usa over huawei, so this isnt about coal at all but playing politics
        and frankly we dont need chinas owning the coal leases along with so much other like ports in melb and darwin especially in the current political climate.
        announced today was hikes in imported luxury cars and land taxes for os buyers and absentee os owners

      • Tony: How DO you keep rose-colored glasses on when your head is in the sand? So Mr. Soros wants you folks to switch from “firmed by Musk batteries” to “firmed by pumped hydro”. Guess that election result was a failure to communicate the new “firming” solution. So what do you do when the majority of voters want to destroy the planet? We have a few out-of-work election insurance guys who might want work and may be motivated in the very near future to get as far away from USA as possible. Can we send Comey, Brennan and Clapper to AU by low-carbon sail boat? Wind powered you know.

      • I seriously don’t understand where this ‘Pumped Hydro will save Renewables’ meme is coming from. Greens HATE Hydro, especially Large Scale Hydro, which any Pumped Hydro would have to be to be effective. They don’t even count it as Renewable in most Western Nations were they push for Renewable Energy.
        The Greens have a decades old history of blocking Large Hydro from being built and even getting them removed if possible. And now we are supposed to believe they are going to allow a massive increase in building, just to help make the Solar and Wind industry a little less godawfully uneconomical? When they wouldn’t even bend on Nuclear, which has a much lower ecological footprint, and better safety record as well?

        Please.

        ~¿~

      • Only total idiots believe that wind and solar are cheap.
        The reason for this is simple enough that even a socialist should be able to understand it.
        Whenever you build wind and solar, you have to build an equal amount of fossil or nuclear power generation capacity, ready to come on line the minute the wind stops blowing or the sun stops shining. Secondly, because the other non-renewable power plants have to be ready to be brought on line on a moments notice, they have to be kept running at or near capacity all the time.

        In other words, There is no savings to be had from renewables, just lots of extra cost.

        The truth of this can easily be demonstrated by the fact that everywhere renewables are added to the mix, the total cost has gone up.

        • MarkW says: “equal amount of fossil or nuclear power generation capacity, ready to come on line the minute the wind stops blowing or the sun stops shining”

          MarkW shows he does not know how a power distribution grid operates.

          • Hey Mr. Fakename: Why don’t you tell us how a grid operates? Don’t you wanna really put it to MarkW by showing us he’s wrong (hint-you can’t)? You really think a drive-by will work here?

          • So, what exactly happens at night when the wind isn’t blowing? Assuming that the wind is blowing somewhere else that’s connected to the grid? These are not difficult questions….

        • Also MarkW, you have to deal with the fact that that everywhere renewables are not added to the mix, costs have gone up.

          • That’s a ridiculous statement with nothing to back it up. Try telling that to the States in the U.S. Where power is now 7c/kWh. In fact the opposite is true.

      • Tony, your grasp of history is sadly lacking.

        Prior to the mania of ‘renewables’, pretty much ALL electricity was generated using coal-fired power stations. In Oz, the Snowy Mountain Scheme being the standout exception.

        Back then, power was cheap and allowed us to build the ‘Lucky Country’ so your statement that we cannot have both coal plants and cheap electricity is demonstrably false..

  4. Shameful environmentally for the landscape, the water to be used to wash the coal, depleting aquifers, etc.

    Adani was granted a 60 year lease in 2017 on unlimited volumes of water from the Great Artesian Basin,
    a vast underground reservoir which spans most of Queensland and parts of the NT, South Australia and northern NSW. Now Clive Palmer and G. Rinehardt will want and get approval for their mines in the same area as Adani.

  5. The leftists have always adhered to the principle of Semper Gumby (always flexible). It’s the only one they know as long as it leads, to or keeps them in, power.

  6. Australian politicians clearly have to sever ties with climate alarmist propagandists and learn to read the pulses of the real people,such as the main creators of national wealth.
    How much does Greenpeace contribute? Only ignorance of science and economics, I suggest.

  7. Australian politicians clearly have to sever ties with climate alarmist propagandists and learn to read the pulses of the real people,such as the main creators of national wealth.
    How much does Greenpeace contribute? Only ignorance of science and economics, I suggest.

  8. And again, why is 2 degrees of warming always a bad thing. Why is there never a scenario where it is actually a benefit….

  9. The backdown by The Australian Labor Party in Queensland has been truly astonishing.
    After nearly a decade of persistent opposition to the Adani Coal mine proposal from the Queensland government accompanied by about 8 vexatious environmental and judicial claims by greens, the mine should receive the final OK on 13 June next.
    A last ditch attempt to require the applicant company to count the number of black-throated finches ( a « rare » bird) in the environs of the mine before approval was the final straw.
    This has now collapsed and the company will count them during the progress of the mining.
    I am not making this up.
    The only endangered species at the moment are some red-faced politicians!

    • This is the same government that have paid Manbearpig to come over lecture them about the nasties of coal , $320,000.00 wasted .

    • The Queensland Labor government is in a panic because the state election is only 12 months away and coal is not the only thing they have messed up.

  10. Slowly reality returns to planet Earth, ahhhhhhh 🙂
    Time to release some CO2 from a brew and celebrate. We are getting so many wins I could get real blotto!

  11. “The international climate action movement argues that…”

    …argues that somebody should take them seriously and give in to all their outrageous demands, as usual?

    There’s nothing quite like a grandiose title to make a pitifully small bunch of self-aggrandising ignorant politicized envirotards feel important, is there? They only ever achieve their political ends by making sure that nobody actually gets to vote on the question. When voters do see the question, they vote against. Tsk, tsk, pesky voters. How they would love to do away with all of us.

  12. Hurrah for Queensland’s premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk! More Winning!
    Clearly, she is not afflicted by Climate Change psychosis!

    • She is deeply affected, and could have done what she is doing long ago.

      However, Labor has lost federally, her State was an anti Labor landslide, and she has an election coming.

      Same thing happened in Sth Australia. The State Labor Govt finally realised that renewables dont actually work in a first world grid, had an election coming up in summer (peak power time). Panic stations!!! spend half a billion estimated(nobody really knows , they hid the figures) on diesel/gas generators and a virtue signalling battery to avoid disruption in the election cycle. Still got voted out.

    • No, given her imprimatur on solar and wind projects in Queensland, she’s betting two bob each way so as to not appear to be the self-serving chameleon that she is.

    • Gents,
      Your perspectives are appreciated. But life has taught me this: When your have fair winds and following seas, put up all the sail you’ve got and make best speed while you can! God’s speed, Queensland!

  13. The international climate action movement” doyens don’t know what they’re talking about.

    The whole AGW movement has been a perfect storm of lies, partisanship, incompetence, political thuggery, and moral cowardice.

    • No it’s not encouraging. They don’t believe what they say, they just want to get voted in again based on the new lies they’re telling.

  14. The media here in Queensland have failed to explain what is actually going on. This article was far more enlightening. Guess who controls the media of Australia? the same goons who want wars in the Middle East and a war against Russia and China. Total psychopaths who never serve in the military.

    • Alfred (Cairns) May 24, 2019 at 7:58 pm

      strange comment. Which media in queensland are calling for war?
      While I am in the U.S. I have never heard of such a thing.

      michael

  15. ” … The international climate action movement argues that if the Galilee Basin’s estimated 27 billion tons of coal was extracted, exported and burned, the extra carbon dioxide released each year would be far more than Australia’s total emissions, and would set back the world’s chances of keeping the increase in global warming under 2C. … ” https://www.thegwpf.com/aussie-leaders-bow-to-change-in-political-climate-and-back-coal/
    >>

    This is laughable, coal measures are never developed in that way (just look at the Bowen Basin or the other major coal basins further south). The amount extracted is always a small fraction of the total deposit present, as companies only develop mines within the most economically viable parts of the deposit.

    This baseless assertion that the entire Galilee Basin coal deposit will be extracted and burnt is absurdist political propaganda. It’s not going to happen as it will not be economically viable to extract more than maybe 5 to 10% of the total coal present, over say 100 years or more.

    Get you’re red herring cheeeeeaap at the Global Warming Policy Forum.

  16. What the greenies don’t understand is that countries like China and India are going to get their coal one way or another. If not Australia then another source. So not mining it won’t do a thing to decrease co2

        • The Aussies are not ‘alone’, as long as the USA has leadership with more of a spine than Barackward Hussein Obama.

        • Population of Taiwan is 23.57 million and the PLA would be hard pressed dealing with them at less than 200 km range from the mainland. And to get to Australia for a general attack they’d have to defeat a LOT of intervening armies, navies and air forces and we would be supporting them as well. China will not be brushing Australia’s population aside any more than Japan could brush it aside in 1942, or multiple Arab armies and air forces could brushed aside Israel’s small population in 1948.

  17. There is a widening gap between what rural voters see with their own eyes, and what urban elites tell them to believe with regards to climate issues, Brexit, immigration, etc etc. The ‘eyes’ will likely win.

    Remeber that ancient ‘science’ started with Greek seafarers in the eastern Mediterranean/Aegean, with many historians think largely had to do with their having to being realists and in touch with their day-to-day environment, inventing machines and believing in ideas that had to work, and who were largely independant and separated from state politics and religio-political distortions of the time. It did not spring from state institutions, endless conferences, and from politics, it sprang from independant inventors, enterpeneurs, and adventurers.

  18. I’ll believe Premier Palachook’s change of heart on coal when I see that she has deregulated the Green energy scam and allows new Coal fired ultra critical power stations to be built for the future energy needs of Queensland residents and industry….. But still, I applaud her quick political change of heart. I’ve long passed being tribal in politics…. I’ll vote for any politician that puts their policies where their mouths are now. If Queensland Labor wants to abandon the politics of AGW…. Then I’ll vote for them.

  19. How to tell when you’re looking at propaganda from a paid shill?
    Example: “routed in the polls”

    When actually there was only a swing of 1%.

    I wonder who is paying?

      • …and a 3% swing to Labor in Victoria. Out of 150 seats Labor’s tally went down 4 and the Coalition up 4 – hardly a rout. The one seat where there really was a rout was Warringah, the seat where climate change was THE main issue by far and where the conservative candidate was trounced, daylight second. The paid shills at the GWPF don’t even pretend to be accurate, you’ve got to be extemely sceptical of what they put out however scepticism seems to be dead here. The irony, it burns.

        • More than that burning you Loydo! You know globally the game is lost. Ozzies ate just holding out longer than the rest.

    • Rout (Cambridge dictionary) #2: to defeat an opponent completely. [Example: The Russian chess team routed all the rest].
      Given the atmosphere before the election – a betting company reportedly paid out bets on Labor before the election as it was “impossible” for them to lose – and given that the Lib-Nats won an absolute majority, it was certainly a “complete” win. Annastacia Palaszczuk’s instant change of attitude to Adani demonstrates that.
      Rout (Cambridge dictionary) #1: to defeat an opponent completely and force them to run away.
      It’s not that kind of “rout” yet. But with any luck the running away has started. First Adani, then …..

    • “suffering the most damage with swings of up to 20 per cent in the coal country of central Queensland and the Hunter Valley of New South Wales.” I’m in the USA, so if this isn’t so, please present the accurate figures.

    • This is great news providing Queensland’s premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk can out manoeuvre her deputy Jackie Trad, a known supporter of the left green agendas in Queensland. But you could bet your last dollar that the Premier is only doing this change of heart to stay in power in that state.

      • ‘change of heart to stay in power in that state.’
        She may have worked out that if she threatens the electorate’s jobs, they will return the compliment.
        However for the dialectic materialist Marxist this does not cut it, for the marxism will always triumph, because its ‘on the right side of history’.
        So the hard left will always fight on their principle, even if the democratic majority reject it or are better educated in the rights and wrongs of coal fired power for poor Indians.
        The Prime Minister touring these areas of Qld and talking about energy, water grids and dams actually speaks the language of those who are creating wealth for our country.
        Not good news though for the left of the Labor party.

      • If Jackie Trad had any real power she would have been the Premier. So she’s just an excuse, she has no real power, and never has.

        This whole time Anastasia Pluckachook has had the power to decide not Jackie Trad, and the pluckachook simply pretended to support Adani when it suited her political image projection needs, then constantly decided not to approve it any other time.

        Actions matter, not the words, and the road-block has always been the current Plucka Premier, who’s again pretending to support Adani’s approval.

        But I’m not falling for her hard-hats and orange vests schtick once again. She is a grand deceiver and excuse maker for doing nothing for Queensland’s future, while raising taxes, fines levies and stamp duty in every possible way.

        Thus you get a QLD budget ‘Surplus’ whilst Queenslanders are getting screwed and taken for granted as she lines up from another State election as our true savior.

        Your chook is cooked Plucka.

    • Funny, when the 1% swing was going the other way, the same voices were proclaiming a route.

  20. Losing certainly **should** sharpen one focus. At least Aussie’s Labours are smarter than the US Democrats.

    US Democrats never figure that out. Losing for US Democrats is just an exercise in denial.
    Here in the US they are still fighting 2016.
    Apparently they think most Americans aren’t noticing they are trying to subvert the US Constitution’s Presidential electoral college process. They think Americans are not watching the theatrics in the US House of Representatives with deranged Democrats having temper tantrums and meltdowns.

    They’ll probably will lose 2020 too they keep at it… fortunately.

  21. This is great news providing Queensland’s premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk can out manoeuvre her deputy Jackie Trad, a known supporter of the left green agendas in Queensland. But you could bet your last dollar that the Premier is only doing this change of heart to stay in power in that state/

  22. Overall the comments say it all, Gregory May 24 is one of the best.

    Now the State of Queensland is unusual , as all of the other States have
    more Urban than Rural voters, and it shows in their political thinking.

    But Queensland has more voters who live outside of the State Capital,
    thus they live in the real world. Now over the last 30 years or so many
    thousands per year move from the colder States to the South to warmer
    Queensland, so a State which was truly once a “Workers Paradise” gradually
    changed to the usual city versus the countryside in the way that they think.

    The Primer has been dragging her feet for years over this matter, trying to
    keep both the inner city Green types happy, then saying nice words to the
    country folk. Recently just before this last election she was all for the
    development of Adami, but her vice Premier was violently against it.

    This election overall was not in my opinion all about the climate, but the
    high cost of living frequently got a mention, but neve a mention as to just
    why this was so, i.e. such as the cost of the renewables.

    The only significant mention was when Bill Shorten was asked what the
    cost of climate change measures was going to be to the community. He
    replied with the stock answer, “” What will be the cost of inaction. “”

    This led to one of the best short slogans, “The Bill that we cannot afford”.

    As for the mention of pumped Hydro. Yes the idea looks attractive ,
    the giant sized “Battery” that the Greens hated Hydro Scheme can be,
    but its many years in the future, if it ever gets started.

    The Premier was shocked at the swing through the rural heartland to the
    Liberal (Conservative) party, and reacted as all politicians do, survival
    is far more important than ideologies such as the myth of Climate Change.
    She has to face them come next years State election.

    But I expect the Greens to find a Aboriginal or two or a small creature that
    thy will say is in danger, so Adani is not there yet.

    MJE VK5ELL

  23. P.S. to my previous. If Adani finally goes ahead then expect more
    proposals to mine other parts of this vast coal bearing area. That is what
    the Green movement actually fears long term. Adani is just the tip of the
    iceberg.

    Palmer did not waste some 80 million dollars to just support the Liberal
    National party. It will be “Payback”time then.

    And expect the GBR to get a mention too. Coal dust can travel a very long way. Hi.

    MJE VK5ELL

    • Coal dust is no more toxic than dust, dust. Are we supposed to put Australia under a giant tarp because the GBR may get some minor dust input to it?

      Situation normal.

      • Carbon elemental is not regarded as toxic because of its specific chemical properties. Quite to the contrary. Most people meet it rarely and then as natural graphite (lead pencils) or coal from the fireplace. (Plus inert diamonds.)
        Organic carbon OTOH is everywhere including as a structural component of some of the most deadly poisons like botulism and plague. But it is absolutely wrong to regard organic carbon with fear, because it is everywherer involved in the essence of life. Geoff

  24. A “swing” of 20% in some districts in Qld, and from comments, really only a few percent overall. I was under the impression that there had been some sort of epiphany on the CO2 sham in Australia but the change is disappointingly marginal. What has been done to you Ozzies! What more has to be done!

    Com’on mates, kick all the totallytarios out. Be brave and scare your metabolisms back to life and see what happens! Hint, nothing bad is going to happen with the climate. Certainly nothing is going to be done about the climate with D. Trump having cancelled global warming. What’s happening now is your children are being scared to death by propaganda instead of given an education and your economy is being destroyed. Look at the Drongos that are telling you all these lies. Do a little research on your own. The rest of the world is waking up. Europe has “swings” 10x what you have experienced as they struggle to save the last bits of their economies.

  25. If the people of today do not plan to limit sea level rise the disruption to the world economy will be a financially disaster. The climate extremes will overwhelm the insurance industry, displace millions of citizens living close to the sea, coral will die, the fish that feed on them as a result. Anyone can be retrained, new industries will inevitably emerge after coal has been retired. Look to the future, not the past.

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    • Foregone concluder: Have you considered reading? I’m sure you do read, but don’t limit yourself to bumper stickers?

  26. I hope Oz is adding a per ton remediation fee to the coal so the ChiComs are paying for a lake and hiking trails…giant holes are actually kinda interesting if presented in the right way.

  27. Just backing off would be wise also. And take some time to get an educational also.

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