Mann and Lewandowsky’s Climate Lament: “We Have Lost Australia For Now”

Disappointed Scientists Stephan Lewandowsky and Michael Mann

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Stew Green – It just keeps getting funnier.

‘We have lost Australia for now,’ warns climate scientist in wake of election upset

The unexpected victory of conservatives in Australia’s election is bad news for the future of global climate action.

JOE ROMM MAY 18, 2019, 3:27 PM

“Australians elected someone who once brought a lump of coal into Parliament urging us to dismiss the warnings from climate scientists, and to dig up more coal instead,” Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, an Australian cognitive scientist, told ThinkProgress in an email. “There is little doubt that his government will do precisely that.”

We have lost Australia for now,” warned Penn State climatologist Michael Mann in an email.  “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said.

Read more: https://thinkprogress.org/we-have-lost-australia-warns-climate-scientist-scott-morrison-upset-92008fabb597/

A sad day for the climate establishment – but a great day for the rest of us.

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178 thoughts on “Mann and Lewandowsky’s Climate Lament: “We Have Lost Australia For Now”

  1. They are banking on the continuing brainwashing in schools and universities to take them over the line in the future.

    • The only thing that got them over the line this time was billionaire Clive Palmer’s personal $60M campaign against the opposition. In a knife-edge election that was decisive.

      • Really? Nothing to do with the ALP wanting to tax the living daylights out of retirees etc etc? Qld voters sent a VERY strong message to the ALP.

          • Not as much as Clive owing ordinary QLDers some $70 million in entitlements.

            The very fact that he was spending $80 million on advertising absolutely disgusted them!

          • You mean like advertising and a totally censored media convinced occupants of the old Soviet states they were living in Utopia? No, it didn’t. The sillier advertising gets and the more hysterical the claims made (climate crisis indeed!), the less Jill Public believes.

      • If Clive’s advertising actually worked he might have actually won a seat somewhere, he got nothing.
        Clive’s advertising was about as effective as Getups both monumental fails.

        As per Patrick MJ, Labor has no-one to blame but themselves.

        • Palmer preferences did not win the Libs the election ,that’s total rubbish and Palmer managed to steal a few votes from the Socialist Labor .

        • LdB is on the money.

          Economist, Judith Sloan, commented yesterday that the problem for Labor was not the size of the target presented by its range of policies – it was that so many of the policies in that range were bad policies. One such bad policy was the proposed attack on self funded retirees through a retrospective change in dividend imputation rules which would have reduced the flow of income from carefully planned investment portfolios.

          A particularly barking mad policy was the plan to mandate, after a short adjustment period, that 50% of annual new car purchases were to be electric vehicles. In a largish country with a dispersed smallish population living mainly on the coastal fringes such a policy might have made sense if the electricity grid was up to the task. But years of poor governance by both Labor and Liberal governments has produced an Australian electricity grid which is rundown and unreliable. The capacity of the electricity generators to provide reliable baseload power has been reduced substantially by replacing coal and gas generation assets by relatively unreliable wind and solar assets.

          There has been much controversy in Oz about the Liberal Federal government approval of the large Adani coal mine in central Queensland. The Qld state Labor government has been dragging its feet on providing the environmental and bird protection approvals necessary for the mine to go ahead. During the election campaign attempted the impossible by appearing to agree with the Adani critics who live in the Southern states and the Adani supporters who live in Qld.
          Not surprisingly the Labor party lost almost all of its Lower House seats in Qld.

      • lol,

        weird comment. !

        NOBODY take Palmer seriously.

        A noisy rasping sound is about all the effect he had.

      • Nonsense – the thought of paying taxes without these taxes being for a sensible purpose was what caused the victory. If the opposition had only been able to specify a good reason for more tax, most people probably wouldn’t have minded. But just “Fight climate change” is too vague and airy-fairy.

      • Oh, and the Ozzie electorate. You forgot about the deplorables. They are awakening all around the world. Progress in phasing out elections, or rather outsourcing constituents in the NWO has ground to a halt. They hit a big bump in 2016.

      • Try Green Slime Bob Brown’s convoy of soy latte sippers driving into Qld to protest against Adani. The hostility that group of inner-city Southerners engendered is what won Qld for the LNP. Good job Bob!

    • Nothing to do with Unis etc it was Russian interference. Scomo is a Russian agent. We need a Royal Commission appointed.

  2. Punching above our weight!

    Bragging aside, Australia has had a dedicated ‘green’ party for decades.

    It is called (wait for it) The Greens and over 90% of voters prefer someone else.

    You haven’t lost Australia, Michael. You never owned it.

      • Note to Messrs Messers Mann and Lewandowsky…
        You lost the World (war) once you tried to equate Skeptics with Deniers and Moon Hoaxers.
        Throwing out Ad-Hominem attacks against those who argue your point is incorrect
        Messer Lewandowsky should look up and study the precept of Psychological Projection.

      • Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, an Australian cognitive scientist lol cow, told ThinkProgress in an email. “There is little doubt that his government will do precisely that.”

        Let’s hope he is right, though history suggests otherwise.

    • Well said Craig. The greens are considered a dirty brown around my home town where the “deplorables” want jobs, not stupid inner city luvvies who cannot actually define what the problem is anyway, turning up in gas guzzling SUVs to tell the locals why they must make sacrifices so the latte set can continue to have their smashed avocado on toast while smugly considering that they have taken action on climate.

      The “deplorable” moment in the Oz election was when the smug shadow treasurer, Chris Bowen, told Australians that if they didn’t like higher taxes on their retirement incomes , don’t vote for us. We took his advice and didn’t.

      This is a win for ordinary Australians and many of those who voted for the Morrison government were considered rusted on Labor.
      I am really enjoying the expressions on the faces of the ABC commentators who are invariable left wing despite a requirement that they be even handed while on the taxpayer dollar.

      • It was a better result then the opposite but the basic infrastructure of climate fraud remains intact. “We must do something about human co2 ” is still left on the table instead of being completely dismissed as pseudoscience for a statist agenda.

        The US leading the exit on the UN Climate Protocol and denouncing the IPCC as politically contrived is worth a victory lap. We’re no where near that kind of win. Greenshirt pandering still the norm.

  3. When will climate elites realise the cost of living is and always will be more important

    • When will the climate elites realize…?

      When they start practicing what they preach we should do.

      Or in other words it ain’t going to happen.

  4. Maybe they need a ‘People’s Vote” in Australia too, the voters clearly didn’t understand what they were voting for. That’s how democracy works, right? If you don’t get the result you want, you get a do-over.

    Voters and the population in general are tuning out the alarmists. What do they expect, with their track record of being 100% wrong.

    • Except that the Australian King of AGW scepticism former Prime Minister and WUWT pin-up Tony Abbot was absolutely trounced with a swing of 20% by a candidate whose only policy was on climate change.

      Some lines from Scott Morrison’s “climate change” policy:
      – We will reduce emissions by 26-28 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030,
      – $2 billion Climate Solutions Fund will ensure we meet our 2030 Paris commitments,

      What? It turns out they are alarmists? Who’d have thought.

      That was all *with* their biggest sceptic.

      • Don’t forget the millions GetUp! spent in Warringah (no tunnel now, lol@leftytwaddle) and the hundreds of loyal useful idiots who helped get the downhill skier over the line into uselessness.

        • well at least as a sockpuppet she wont(hopefully) be doing much but blathering greenfroth, and will be ignored.
          getup sure put a huge effort into corrupting the results there.
          and a moaning email from them kept using the term first nations peoples…
          which is NOT an aussie term so some loking into backers n funding is long overdue re getup
          get up -and leave- is the preferred option;-)
          dont let the door catch you on the way out.

      • So… If, as you claim, Morrison completely agrees with them on “climate issues” – why the loud wailing, gnashing of teeth, and rending of garments coming from Lewandowsky and Mann?

        Is it, perhaps, NOT anything to do with “climate issues”? Perhaps it is that he is not supporting a Marxist-style dictatorship (with them as the Commissars of Climate)?

      • You keep telling yourself that, Loydo.

        Not sure where you got 20% from. Did 97% of scientists tell you this?

        When I looked at AEC on Sunday the 2PP was looking at 57/43, yet that is with no postals counted. 2016 there were about 10,000 postals, of which 65% went to Abbott, so while it is statistically unlikely for Abbott to come back – which would be embarrassing to be honest after the submission speech – it is extremely likely that GetUp! will only just scrap in.

        So what does this mean?

        Well in real terms it looks like $20million dollars only buys you 8000 votes. This is what Abbott seems on target to have been reduced by in primary votes. Not really that impressive. Having been involved in political campaigns at Federal level $20 million is about 40 times what parties normally seem to run on for a single seat. So money well spent, especially since ‘winner’ Steggall now has to carefully distance herself from ‘supporters’ who stooped as low as to stab people with corkscrews in order to gain her win.

        Plus, and this is the really funny part, Tony Abbott still exists, is still probably THE most influential public figure in Australia (mainly because the MSM wont shut up about him) and how has much more freedom of speech.

        GetUp! would have been better off trying to convince Australia that Shorten could tie his own shoe laces and they might have won the election. Instead they spent $20million to bring police attention onto themselves. Smart.

      • And yet there are reports of GetUp sticking posters over Abbot’s election materials. And that was GetUp’s only win. Seems like a battle was won and a war lost.

      • Lets face it Abott was rolled by Liberals because he is a flog there only to extract some revenge because he got dumped and his little ego was bruised. It took a while for the realization to drop on most of the liberal faithful but in the end they did what we do to all flogs, ignore them.

        • Tony Abbott was one of the truly good guys in our Parliament. He has been a surf lifesaver volunteer all his adult life, is a volunteer bushfire fighter, spends time in indigenous communities every year, for years has run the pollie pedal which has raised a lot of money for charity. I don’t agree with all his politics but I admire the man as a genuinely good citizen.
          Now what is it you do for your community, LdB?

          People that have met Tony Abbott generally like the guy even if they disagree with him. The vitriol comes from people like you and it isnt correct. The nicest thing about this election is Malcolm who? and his son got well and truly rolled by the voters. Now there is someone who had a bruised ego.

          Thanks Tony Abbott for your service to my country. I rather suspect you will continue to do good things.

          • It’s not about what he did out of parliament (he may be a saint) but he remained in parliament for one reason to grind an axe. We elect politicians to represent us not there own cause and he was dumped because he no longer represented his electorate.

            Not disputing Malcom has the same issue but at least he moral compass to stop trying to pretend he was representing people.

            Tony failed to do his job, he was sacked by the people and that is how democracy works.

          • Malcom has the same issue but at least he moral compass

            You present that Turncoat as a moral compass?
            LOL

            Abbott has consistently tried to support those who have common cause with him in the party’s policies – that is his agenda and if that undermines the left leaning ministers, that’s their bad luck for being on the side of big government, climate change and LGTB.

            And he isn’t finished by any means. The media report him as being retired from public office but they are reading too much from his concession speech on Saturday night (probably out of wishful thinking).

            I fully expect him to stay as the Liberal candidate for Warringah and contest the seat at the next election and win it back. Zali Steggall has a singular platform of Climate Change action and, being an independent, will be powerless and irrelevant now that the coalition has a majority in the lower house

        • Quick, hook Loydo up to the mains, all that spinning must be good for electricity generation.

      • Only one win for all those $oro$ bots? I heard bad language directed at one gormless GetUp! prat at an election booth in Canberra, where $oro$ and the unions blew a coal skip of cash to unseat Senator Zed. The bad language came from me and he scurried away like the rats in the ranks they are.

    • A do-over in Aus maybe – in the USA and Canada you get four years of the mainstream media and celebrities in lockstep with the far left working 24/7/365 to slander and depose the winner.

  5. ” … It’s not even science! … ”

    Worse!

    “It’s not even climate science.”

    It’s ideolo-religio-geopolitical mental disorder from a very small number of bad actors.

    ” … Democracy be damned! …” – UN IPCC

  6. We have lost Australia for now,” warned Penn State climatologist Michael Mann in an email. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said……..Really????
    I thought Australia contributes only around 1% of global emissions. Even if the CO2 theory is correct, how could we possibly be a threat to the ”survivability of our species” anyway????
    Alarmist supreme.

    • Well I for one can’t wait for these two clowns to wash up in Beijing and harangue China about it’s CO2 problems.

      FYI: Kudos on two of the greatest mug shots you could have possibly found for this article.

    • It wasn’t a ‘small number of bad actors’ Mr Mann, it was a majority of Australian voters who saw right through the alarmist nonsense pushed as ‘climate policy’ by the ALP, who to cap it off gave us an arrogant brush-off non-answer when we voters demanded to know what it would cost us! POLITICAL FAIL.

  7. To call those two charlatans “scientists” is the same as calling the Taj Mahal a shithouse.

    • Even if they aren’t charlatans they are abusing their positions by being activists. link Activists can not be credible as dispassionate seekers of truth.

      Anyway, you are right, calling them scientists is something like calling a bowl of flowers a whale.

  8. And a majority too it looks like, with at least 77 seats, which is also enough to spare an elected member for the Speaker, and still have the majority required for 76 MP’s. Scott Morrison isn’t indebted to anyone politically, except the voters of Australia. Would be nice to see him axe the Paris Accord as his first act. The wheels are are coming off the climate change band wagon as evidenced by this election.

    • I suggest that neither of these two gentlemen would be welcome in North Queensland at the moment.
      Bob Brown and his Stop Adani convoy galvanized the electorate to vote against the green madness.
      Message to the pontificating alarmists, stop digging the hole you are in, the average worker in Australia no longer believes you.
      Good news is Malcolm Roberts is very likely to return to the Senate as well

    • Many of our friends in the USA possibly don’t know that Australia has a compulsory voting system – not a first past the post. It is system that allows every one to vote for their favourite party/candidate and then list their preferences in descending order. Meaning that if their fist choice doesn’t win their votes are then distributed to the next choice and so on.

      No-one can say that they didn’t have the chance to (a) vote and (b) ensure that their least favoured candidate can be relegated as low as they wish on the ballot paper to minimise the chances of gaining a seat in Parliament.

  9. Here in Australia, the “ climate emergency” has been put on hold for three years ( at least).
    Our Prime Minister famously took a hunk of coal into Parliament and taunted the Opposition not to be afraid of it.
    He is a pragmatist not an alarmist.

    • Take a quick look at the election results for the seat of Hunter in the heart of the Hunter valley coal mining country. It would appear that the sitting Labor member is close to losing his seat, the safest labor seat in the country.

    • As are most of Australia, frankly most of us simply don’t believe emission control will ever work because you are never going to be able to enforce it. No country is going to give up there sovereignty to a bunch of left wing crackpots.

  10. It is always framed in some moral failing of the other side, attempting to hold a moral high ground. They, like Hillary and her defeat, never really learn the lessons of why the public rejected them. They chalk it up to “bad actors.” Not their own dismal failing message and lack of ethics.

    Bjorn Lomborg’s work though thoroughly discredits that moral stance. When one realizes it is economic growth and a society’s prosperity that can save the local environment and prevent ecological devastation one one local environ (that occurs in poor Africa every day), the epiphany occurs.
    And China will have to solve their own. And each African country will have to solve their own.

    And after careful and full study of the on-going push for renewable and rejection of nuclear, that is when one realizes what the Green Blob is really up to and what motivates it, with enablers like Mann and Lew-boy.

    – Joel O’Bryan, PhD
    USAF retired, USAFA ’84.
    and mostly today — Proud Deplorable.

    • No country stands alone, sovereign yes, with freedom to join up with the Belt and Road Initiative – a win-win, positive-sum game (as Bangladesh Prime Minister’s International Affairs Adviser Dr. Gowher Rizvi said yesterday).
      The insane attempts to break the BRI will fail.
      A voice of sanity in this is Trump’s Artemis (Apollo’s twin sister) Moon program – boots on the regolith to stay.
      Back to thinking real big!

      • Heinlein’s “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” is probably the basis of the USA return to the moon. I assume Trump read that years ago. In war, control of the high ground is always necessary for success. See Gettysburg in the civil way. Currently the superiority of US air power provides the high ground in every conflict since and including WWII.

        I have always wondered why we didn’t go back to take control of that high ground, but we usually fail, as a country, to complete taking a dominant position when we can. Ex. at the end of WWII, destroying the soviet army and ending communist control of most of Asia by the soviets and red Chinese. Just think of the possible improvement of the Human condition if that had happened and the trillions of dollars the US and other countries around the world spent on the cold war had been spent on infrastructure, housing, etc. Also see the first gulf war where we didn’t oust Hussein, and while we were there, crush Iran’s military and free their people from the theocracy.

        Once the US has a permanent military base on the moon we will no longer need nukes. Just an accelerator and containers of moon dirt.

  11. Michael Mann is right – finally – when he said “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species”. Well, he is partially right, but the threat is economic, not existential, & comes from him & his cronies as they pursue magic rabbits down their holes.

    • Apparently this “small number of bad actors” includes a Majority of the Australian Electorate.

      They must be truly Deplorable.

  12. ”“We have lost Australia for now,” warned Penn State climatologist Michael Mann in an email. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said.”

    Yes that’s right. Everybody’s wrong if they don’t agree with me. Cry me a river. You still don’t get it. The comments from the left this morning are blaming everyone but themselves….they still don’t get it.
    Let me make it simple for Mr MM. We don’t care what you say and the more you say it the less we will care.

  13. Now the low sunspot count has 3 more years to destroy the global warming scam in Oz at least.

    • We’re dealing with rainy, cold may, mountains to get a foot of snow in Colorado.

      We’re headed for another cooling phase, the question I have is how they will keep up the charade. The brainwashed youth might just be dumbed down enough to believe cold = runaway global warming

      • Yes, they really are one of the biggest obstacles to sanity going forward, no other way to put it. The present and future dependents of the welfare state, all of whom slept through school and have never willingly read a book in their lives, are the ones given the most attention by leftist politicians because aside from hoping to mobilize them as voters by promising to fulfill their ever-expanding wish lists, they all have the “we can run the world on unicorn farts” mentality of the average 19-year old themselves.

        Worrisome to say the least.

          • May blizzards are nothing new where I grew up in Alberta. We had ’em on the same day two years apart – but this was the late 1980s, so nobody was shrieking about how “weird” it was. They hadn’t figured out how to monetize the weather yet.

      • I have 6 inches of dense heavy snow on my deck this morning in Duck Creek Utah, US at an altitude of 8600 ft. The forecast for the next few days is more snow, possibly up to 6 more inches. The sun is out and it is above freezing now so it may melt quickly since there is no ice base to sustain it where I am.
        10 miles away where there is still 92 inches of base it may last longer. That area had been losing up to 1 inch of snow water equivalent per day recently, but gained 1.5 inches over the last 36 hours.

        It is an interesting spring here.

  14. Trump, Brazil, now this, and Europe is revolting against the consequences of supporting CC when they aren’t convinced it’s an AGW problem. With the failures and cost of “renewables” it’s no surprise Australia became enlightened. This is why the scam will ultimately fail without the help of science ….. people have too much to loose supporting it and nothing tangible to gain.

  15. We’ve lost Australia for now? No, no, no. It was Australia that clearly said to you: GET LOST FOR NOW!

  16. They are weeping over a tiny tiny portion of global emissions. Australia’s annual man-made emissions would be about half a day’s worth of China’s, and dwarfed by our annual bushfire emissions.

    These people are deranged.

    • Yah think? Kommieforniastan is willing to totally destroy it’s economy and literally murder thousands in the name of being Green.

      • Let us hope they try. Seeing a catastrophic failure is a great deterrence to others thinking of trying the same thing.

        And most of us would not miss CA.

  17. What could be sadder than a hack Psychologist calling AGW skeptics “Science Deniers”, while lacking the moral courage to tackle; Gender fluidity, anti-vacinators, anti-GMO people and late-term abortion proponents.

    McFly…….hello!

  18. I’ve always thought of the Australian people to be quite sensible. Every Australian tourist I’ve encountered here in the States have been quite likeable. The kind of folks I’d choose as my mates/friends. They’ve just proven themselves with this sensible vote.

    • Kenji,

      just a reminder that in Oz:-
      a) we have complusory voting ( i.e. turn up and get your name ticked off or else get a slap on the wrist fine, you can then deface the ballot paper at your leisure or not)

      b) we have preferential voting so the verdict is much more representative of the broader mood of the electorate. One of the great pleasures is putting the morons and nut jobs, e.g. The Greens, LAST.

      Also not that this time about 30% or more voted early, much more than usual and those votes are flowing to the Coalition significantly more than the polling day ones.

      The pollsters got it sooooo wrong and at about 8:30 pm (after watching a movie) it was a very pleasant surprise to see the Coaltion lead in seats ‘won’ and the headless chicken reactions of the usual leftard commentators. Sunday was nice too as the leftards were still writhing trying to come to grips with reality (NOT their strong suit, lets face it) and today the AEC are formally predicting a majority of 77 in the Reps ( out of 151) plus a couple of extra seats in the Senate. With the postal/early vote flow that may even increase.

      The other great news is that a number of divisive figures have now gone from the Coalition ranks and PM Morrison is THE MAN with a team that knows he is THE MAN. He is also a very friendly type of guy who comes across as an everyman Dad who knows his stuff and sticks to the script.

  19. ‘Scientists’ follow the facts, even the inconvenient ones, always ready to set aside theories that become untenable, without emotional investment. Mann and Lewandowsky are climate theory advocates, not scientists. No scientist with a nanogram of self respect would alter the data to suit their agenda. They have a vested interest in promoting untruth.

    • You have not attended scientific conferences! I mean hard physics, not climate.
      Anyway the opposite of a charlatan is no way to describe a scientist.
      Einstein alway said his best ideas came from the violin. He was no lieutenant Spock, the fake scientist from star-trek.

  20. Dear Mr Mann,

    Australia currently emits 1.6% of the global CO2.
    They could all die tomorrow and not effect global anything, even if CO2 was a problem.
    Please eff off for all our sake’s.

    • Yeah how dare a billion Asian and African peasants without telephones, running water or electricity criticize us. The damned cheek of it.

      • Not our problem they aren’t Australian citizens tell them to take it up with there own government who are usually the problem being corrupt and stealing the countries wealth.

      • Yep, the world should be providing them with SOLID, DEPENDABLE COAL-FIRED electricity.

        That is what ALL developed countries grew with.

      • Loydo…..
        As long as they keep burning coal and oil, those billion asians make Australia’s contribution to gerbil warming, irrelevant.

        It’s not us claiming that those billion asians should be content to remain in poverty in order to pacify first-world virtue-signallers who wouldn’t recognise hardship if it hit them on the arse.

      • Loydo…..
        As long as they keep burning coal and oil, those billion asians make Australia’s contribution to gerbil warming, irrelevant.

        It’s not us claiming that those billion asians should be content to remain in poverty in order to pacify first-world virtue-signallers who wouldn’t recognise hardship if it bit them on the bum

      • amazingly they seem to have a lot of mobiles over there iin africa and asians sure arent without a mobile glued to the ear either.
        they WOULD have power and water IF the un and IMF would stop being a$$holes and witholding development funding for coal powered plants.

      • Funny, considering how it’s your crowd who wants to make sure that they remain without water and electricity.

      • Loydo 12.38am

        Thinking Australians know that you can only try to help your fellow humans on this planet IF you have a strong economy and can afford to try and help. Australians in this regard have been punching well above our economic weight for years, due mainly to the willingness of the Australian public to dip into their own pockets and contribute, particularly in times of disaster. As the economy and influence of Australia grew, the Government had the means to distribute monies to other nations in overseas aid.

        Then along comes a wailing cursing emotion based tide of loonies like yourself who try to tell us that we have to destroy our economy, abandon our way of life that earned us the title of “The Lucky Country” to wear sackcloth and atone for our SIN of being a small population with a small emission of C02.

        Forget that we supply huge quantities of food eagerly sought by Asia, and our vast continent relies on trucking and Diesel fuel to move that food to ports and our plants like C02, we just have to have stored water in Dams and we can supply even more.

        We woke up to your lazy latte sipping city dwelling scheme to first divide us into small warring camps, rake up issues that have been long dead and buried through two world wars by encouraging the worst slackers to be activists and giving yourself an elitist “selfie” tag as “progressive intellectual” scorning the values that united Australians fought and died for, the principle of freedom of choice for ALL and the freedom to be free of tyranny and embrace the immigrants that came to our shores to escape that life overseas.

        We love our country and want to see it prosper, to live in harmony as Australians, and we elected a government we chose and rejected a Government that was intent on wrecking and reducing our economy to the point that we could no longer look after those that need help in our own community, imposing burdens on small business and attacking the savings of older Australians for some huge social change.

        Well we like our lifestyle, we like our culture, we like to volunteer our services. Tony Abbott was a great volunteer and the only real politician that pledged to spend time with aboriginal families to help them by helping themselves. And the majority of us did not like the hate and vilification your lot of elites heaped on him that sustained hate and the outside influence of so many made it hard for him to retain his parliamentary seat, he will still be supported by the thinkers who reject your elite self given titles!.

        Hardly surprising that we rejected your snivelling PC lot in those circumstances. Scott Morrison is a beacon of hope that we can regain dignity and family values as central to political will. All power to him and his government to reinstate central conservative values.

        With a strong economy and a strong leader we can help other nations by example through volunteers and direct aid to help poorer nations to lift themselves out of poverty!

  21. “…now threaten the survivability of our species”

    That right there is some serious psychological wackery. It is impossible that Australia or New Zealand doing anything regarding CO2, could possibly affect the world average temperature 0.00C over 100 years.
    Not Possible.

    Both of these fools need to retire to the comfy chair.

    • …retire to the comfy chair.

      Are you kidding? Put them in their place. That’s the rack.

    • If he really believes what he wrote, Mann needs some professional help. His comment indicates a serious detachment from reality.

  22. The hockeystick of climate action shows a divergence problem…

    Time to graft another graph onto it and hide the decline.

  23. The climate establishment in Australia is well established within the public service, academia, the state funded media, those that know their crap doesn’t stink and the list goes on. ScoMo has an uphill battle to turn things around. Our state governments still think that the solution to our sky high electricity is more ruinables.

    • Vic govt said our power costs were high due to “GOLDPLATING” overspending encouraged BY govvy handouts by powercos…now were told our bills will rise (AFTER being told theyd drop) because the grids need upgrading

  24. As the chant ” Reach Higher! Reach Higher! Reach Higher! coming from the Green New Deal advocates echoed around Parliament in Melbourne back in March, a chill ran down my spine, as I waited for the youths to break into “Father Land” Father Land”
    When children are advanced as the ambassadors of anything you just know the leaders of the cult are delusional.
    Thank god the Australians are waking up to the scam of Mann made climate change.

  25. They can never let up on the “climate emergency” rhetoric. They know that if it ever comes out that the whole lot was a load of baloney from day one, heads will roll. The insane measures that were brought to the voters to vote on (without costings presented-only feeble excuses of what price for the planet) were met with a thumbs down. We are not all dung beetles-we don’t all swallow the bullshit.

  26. For the climate alarmists out there who constantly tell us wind energy is the answer to our future carbon free electricity generation, please go to gridwatch.co.uk and see how much energy the UK’s 21 gigawatt fleet of wind turbines has put into the grid this past two weeks. Look at the graphs for yesterday and for this whole month.
    Then ask yourself what energy source is capable of delivering constant supply in a crowded, reasonably flat land with 70 million inhabitants?
    Here is a hint, it is not wind, it is not solar, and no battery system will ever provide weeks of demand energy when the wind powered charging turbines don’t turn.
    The only people still believing Mann made climate change exists, are those who haven’t spotted the additional “n” in the calculations.

  27. They’ll be getting a visit from the climate angel Greta Thunberg, and Extinction Rebellion activists will be gluing themselves to doors.

  28. I was greatly heartened by the rejection by the “average” Australians of the lunatic mantra of the elite leftist Church of Climatology. Maybe we can be optimistic that reason may prevail after all. Watching the ABC coverage you might have thought that a great sadness had descended upon the world!

  29. You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

    Not sure if Mr. Lincoln really coined that gem, however it’s implicit wisdom is timeless.

  30. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said.

    A small number, like half of the voters of Australia? I see what kind of political system would suit mr Mann. One without democracy and possibility to make coalitions.

    Bad actors, these people getting annoyed on more expensive energy? Surely mr Mann, I understand it is difficult for you to understand when you fly and bath in climate fame and money, plebs might not be happy when their energy bills grow.

    Threaten our species? A small number of Australians threatens the biggest communist Climate Champion China? You must be joking, mr Mann. Australians don’t threaten even your income, mr Mann, while your lot threatens sacked Australian professor Ridd’s income.

    Some common alarmist conceptions:

    * “Hated people” are a small number of people (but there are lot of them in Texas and Alabama)
    * They’re paid by big oil some big money and make a unduely big impact on policies
    * Scientists are attacked by “hated people” in an organized way
    * The audience is mislead by “hated people”

    Realist position

    * Alarmists man (add your favourite non-gendered verb) all Western government owned media, large part of the private media, several parties in each country’s political system, bigger part of the NGO’s and some states (like large parts of the US east coast).
    * Alarmists are paid big money by governments and private companies and make an unduely big impact on policies.
    * Scientists who have the nerve publish non-alarmist data and support it publicly, are severely and professionally attacked to ruin their careers.
    * The audience is mislead by alarmists to support policies that provably will not help.

    After writing this, I understand well how alarmists won’t debate the “hated people”

    • Photo tag:

      Disappointing ‘Scientists’ Stephan Lewandowsky and Michael Mann

      Fixed

  31. The Green blob re. CC has nothing to do with Saving the Planet, its all about power. Why otherwise does the political party, the Australian Labour Party founded in about 1870 by workers, and still owned by the Union s 50 %, campaign against the development of the Adani coalmine, with the potential for 1000 jobs in Queensland.

    And while PM Morrison won the lower house, the Greens have 9 members in the upper house, the Senate. Thus with the Labour Party and the Green Independents , can block any meaningful legislation from the PM, to improve the economy.

    This government will be a Steady as you go, because its not possible to get things done.

    Queensland State has a Labour Government, its Premier makes noises about the Adani mine to keep the people outside the Capital happy, , but its Deputy Premier makes noses in the Capital to keep the left wing voters happy..

    Australia is in effect two countries, and its near impossible to keep all of them happy.

    MJE VK5ELL

  32. oi oi oi for the 2nd time tonight

    looks like a whole lot of Aussies are smarter than Mann and Lewandowsky – how does he get to work for thinktank – seriously?

  33. These two were fully expecting Australia would fall in-line. The next 3 years are crucial. I hope not to see the political pantomime of the last 15 years. I can hope however, I don’t see it happening.

    • I think it will go well beyond 3 years now. Liberals will not want open the climate change box again and labor will be very careful to cost and flesh out any climate change policy for the next election. It was already announced Plibersek had to pull out of leader race because she is fatally damaged by her Adani and climate stance.

      So you really are looking well after the next election before labor would really consider even trying to put up any strong climate policy. Both parties will enter the next election with wish-washy junk if the issue is still around. So 5 years minimum before anything will happen in Australia.

  34. These two were fully expecting Australia would fall in-line. The next 3 years are crucial. I hope not to see the political pantomime of the last 15 years. I can hope however, I don’t see it happening.

  35. whoops – read that 2 quickly – he likely does not work for a thinktank – even worse – what kind of cognition is going on in Lewandowsky’s brain? not a lot I’d suggest and totally no idea how science works – but neither does Mann have any idea about applying the scientific method

  36. We can only hope that the “The Cult of Righteousness” will let the rest of Australians get on with their lives without having to listen to, or conform to, their looney ideas about climate change and what should be done to combat it. Australias national broadcaster (the ABC) and the Greens Political Party are two members of the cult who have been preaching to us for far too long.

    • lets hope they cut staff at abc clean out all the older sjw climate warrior types
      as it is theyre repeating shows so often i can almost sing along
      the angst from them and their devotees has been enjoyable to hear
      next up?
      shortens new book
      what happened?

  37. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species…”

    A classic case of projection!

  38. There was a mention in the replies about the Democrats wanting to ban Guns. Well we in Australia consider that the bit in the US Construction was actually only meant to refer to what we in Australia call the Army Reserve.

    Also while I consider that PM Howard’s violent reaction of the shooting incident in Tasmania was well” Over the top”, it did not remove all firearms in Australia, only the semi-auto weapons.

    In fact for every semi auto destroyed and the owner paid for it, most then bought two firearms of the still legal bolt action weapons, which while requiring a degree of skill to use it, are a far better weapon. and are far more accurate.

    According to the Japans war dairies of WW2 concerning Australia and the possibility of it being invaded, was that the Army said no, as their reports said that all Australian males were expert marksmen.

    The plague of rabbits in Australia back then , and the fact that a .22 bolt action rifle fed a lot of families in Australia during the long 1930 tees Great Depression. One small bullet per rabbit taught people to take their time and become accurate shooters.

    For the record I am pro Firearms and had to hand in some 29 weapons.

    Just because the Liberal National team won does not mean that CC
    will go away. There are still some Liberals, the remains of ex PM. Turrnbulls gang who “Believe in CC”

    The Lib-Nets are still locked into the original Kyoto 26 % of emissions, plus the big subsidies and the utilities having to accept the Renewable output. This is despite our 1.3 % of CO2 emissions , plus Australia’s sheer size including the shallow seas around it creats a giant sized Carbon Sink.

    Unless Morrison uses the previously mentioned “”Big Stick”” against the greedy Utilities , plus getting rid of the subsidies and the law which compels the Utilities to accept the electricity from the windmills and solar panels, his Government will possible have a “Paris” style situation.

    His basic problem is his bias towards big business, and today the Green Blob is Big Business.

    MJE VK5ELL

  39. Michael Mann in an email. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said…. Oo-ooh, endangered cli-seantists on the globull warming gravy train are in danger of becoming an extinct species!

    • Hey Dr. Mann, where would “Lose credibility” belong in this Climate Science sequence?

      Lose the raw temperature data.
      Lose the decline.
      LOSE THE EMAILS!!!
      Lose Australia.

      • Upside down graphs.
        Statistics that favour 1 series.
        Aggressive denunciations over anyone who questions his results.
        Refusal to comply with FOI requests.
        Get journal editors fired.
        Redefine what peer review means.

        This man has a legacy.

  40. What the climate cultists are increasingly finding is that whilst they can get dumb politicians and journalists to advocate to spend OTHER people’s money on the green non-science – particularly if it’s via a stealth tax that is hidden from voters like a “renewable obligation” – what the climate cult can’t do, despite the biggest advertising campaign in human history through the likes the Biased Corp, is to persuade people to spend their OWN money on the non-science.

  41. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said. Yes, that species being specifically that of transfiguratum caeli mendacibus (scurrilous climate liars). Their end is nigh.

  42. Whatever else you can say about climate ‘science ‘, it does seems to attract people who combine a thin skin with a massive ego not supported by their actual ability.
    While there is something about these two, that whenever they claim something is ‘bad’ you are inclined to think that in reality this not A ‘bad thing ‘, whereas what be ‘good’ for them would be ‘bad news’ for most others .

  43. The labor Party’s only hope of winning an election is to invest heavily in the cause of Alzheimer’s disease and infect all of Australia with it.

  44. If only south Australia would build a nuclear power stations… Olympic Dam reserves….we could network the country with cheap power for centuries. With our flat geologically stable, sparsely populated country, take all the waste from other countries that have bought uranium from us… $$$$$$$$. we’ll be rolling in it.

  45. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,”

    The “Deplorables” are now World Wide ! LOL

  46. From the article: “We have lost Australia for now,” warned Penn State climatologist Michael Mann in an email. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said.”

    The small number of bad actors in this story are called the Climategate Charlatans. Those Bastardizers of Historic Temperature Data who have dreamed up this CAGW fraud and have scared people into doing some really insane things in the name of saving the planet from CO2.

    What a fiasco this has become!

    One positive: When Michael Mann is complaining that’s a good sign.

  47. Speaking of “bad actors”, Mann plays the part of a scientist – poorly. But I see the hook coming out now from the wings.

  48. For now? What does that mean? Didn’t we have just a few years to avoid climate catastrophe? What do they expect to do once Australia gets a “proper” climate alarmist government, several years from now, when climate catastrophe will have become “unavoidable”?

    Let me guess: in 4/8 years time we will still be “a few years” far from catastrophe. Right?

  49. So Mr Mann if Australia stopped all emissions tomorrow exactly how much cooler would the earths temp be , how many cyclones and hurricanes will be avoided and what about droughts does it mean there will be no more ?

  50. They’ll never give up.
    Green mafia have seamlessly wheeled out Arthur Sinodinos to take over their campaign for a time. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
    Conservative imposter on a big fat incentive scheme. AU blue Libs you just won a Climate Change repudiation election.

  51. “We” have lost Australia for now. The climate war rooms of the Climate Crusades are far flung.

  52. “….We have lost Australia for now,’ warns climate scientist in wake of election upset.

    The unexpected victory of conservatives in Australia’s election is bad news for the future of global climate action…..”

    I always thought that science was not about “losing” anything at all. I thought it was about asking questions, doing experiments, making observations and trying to get to the truth.

    The quotes above demonstrate how the CAGW hypothesis has morphed into a political, ideological and eco-religious doctrine. The hypothesis is merely a pretext for political and eco-activist power, control and money. Anybody who understands science should easily notice this. It is unfortunate that there are so many out there who don’t.

  53. We now return you to your normal life, free of internationally-certified and directed BS.

  54. I’d rather be a “bad actor” than a lying scumbag of a handpicked science-whore for globalist powermongers.

    • The myth of catastrophic human co2 impact on the total climate remains intact.

      That’s what has to be eradicated.

  55. Its all over globally, not just in Australia. Cognitively Dissonant Lew and Upside Down Tiljander Mike dont seem to understand the statistics. The globe has been Trumped.

  56. Well, we now know that Mann is math challenged. Whatever Australia does will have no significant effect on anything. And that small group of leaders leding the world awry will not be in power for the next 85 years.
    Mann demonstrates sheer incompetence every time he opens his ignorant mouth

  57. “…lost Australia…” – yeah, and most of the free-thinking world as well. You Green-Activists have over-player your hand and people are turning away in droves. There will be more silliness about this yet for another 10 to 20 years, but eventually the true costs of Wind and Solar will be demonstrated, and they will be confined to those niches where they make sense and can compete.

    Anyone that wants to reduce fossil fuel use should be promoting nuclear power – new research, new power plant designs, and more construction. That technology is rife with wasteful spending and its costs can be dramatically lowered given a common-sense approach to it.

    • In the US, that would be looser pays regulations for all of the frivolous lawsuits which slow construction.

      The same for pipeline construction projects, etc. Much of what happens to delay construction would not happen if UK type regulations for lawsuits were instituted.

  58. Climate Alarmists: “We’ve lost Australia…”
    Climate Realists: “Welcome aboard the Climate Realists Train, Australia! Join us in the ‘Dome Car’, for celebratory Scotch and ribald conversations with the Deplorables of the USA!”

  59. Maybe Qld does not want this for their governance…..

    WSJ story today

    Negative Rates, Designed as a Short-Term Jolt, Have Become an Addiction

    Europe’s central banks haven’t been able to wean the eurozone off cheap money, which distorts economies and leaves little ammunition to cushion a downturn

    (It does make you wonder if the climate crusades are directly correlated with the need for monetary injections that have zero to do with climate programs or science.)

  60. It would be more accurate for that notorious duo to say that ‘We have lost Australia forevernow,’ after this election upset. The vote change in the State of Queensland where the huge Adani Coal Mine is planned was decisive. Queenslanders want Jobs and Industry not moonshine.

  61. Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, an Australian cognitive scientist

    For a cognitive scientist, he really isn’t very cognizant.

  62. It’s the Fourth Turning, and authoritarian progressives of all stripes will soon be going down to defeat all over the planet.
    Hurrah for Liberty!

  63. Yes lost Australia and the quaint little place called the USA , soon to be followed by Canada , France and any other country with a brain .
    Hide the decline , hide the decline .
    Climate Gate flushed out the insular cabal of group thinkers who threatened dissent.
    Very scientific .
    Tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths caused by grossly inaccurate climate models and politicians to stupid to do their home work .

  64. Mann … a small number of bad actors now threatens the survivability of our species . Really ?
    Of 151 seats in the House of Representatives the Greens won . …. drum roll please …. one .

    See this is the basic problem . Modelers should know how to count more than a tiny sample of things like tree rings and election result numbers .
    The models underpinning the biggest hoax in history are wrong . Not a little wrong a lot wrong . In real science that would be a chance for further work . but not in the $7 trillion dollar climate industry .
    No no the science is settled don’t you know .

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