NASA Gavin Schmidt: Personal Climate Change Sacrifices “doesn’t actually change very much”

NASA’s Gavin Schmidt refusing to debate a climate skeptic

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to NASA’s Gavin Schmidt, making personal lifestyle changes has very little impact on anthropogenic CO2 emissions.

These Scientists Are Radically Changing How They Live To Cope With Climate Change

When the US government is doing nothing to stop climate change, do your personal choices even matter? Here’s how climate scientists are — and aren’t — changing their lives.

Zahra Hirji BuzzFeed News Reporter

Posted on April 23, 2019, at 10:00 a.m. ET

If everyone who already cared about climate change “reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much,” said Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Making your home energy efficient is nothing compared to laws that would require all buildings to be greener. Buying solar panels for your roof doesn’t pack the same climate punch as electric companies relying more on solar farms, and less on coal plants, to feed the grid.
Agitating and voting and writing letters and op-eds,” Schmidt said, “make far more sense” for promoting systemic change.

Schmidt is fine with people changing their lives because it’s fulfilling. But he doesn’t want the public to get the impression that the only way to save the planet is by abstaining from certain products or not traveling. “I don’t think that is where we want to end up,” Schmidt said.

His philosophy is: “Individual actions are not really the solution, but there’s no reason that you should unnecessarily pollute the atmosphere.”
Neither Schmidt nor Zelikova have given up flying entirely, but they have tried to cut back by combining trips or using virtual conferencing software. Schmidt became a vegetarian, driven both by animal welfare and climate concerns, and Zelikova aims to only buy meat from ranchers with sustainable grazing practices.

Read more: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zahrahirji/scientists-climate-change-action

I’ll take climate scientists’ commitment to reducing their personal carbon footprints more seriously when they start teleconferencing major events like IPCC meetings, instead of holding massive fly in climate jamborees with 10s of thousands of participants.

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Dave Fair
April 23, 2019 7:01 pm

Changing your habits won’t change things, but forcing everybody to change will work. Yeah.

Bryan A
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 23, 2019 8:00 pm

If everyone who already cared about climate change “reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much,” said Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

But I thought that 97% of Climate suckers believed in the Cult of Climate Scientology. Gee Gavin, do you mean that so few people follow the supposed 97% consensus of Climate Prognosticators that all true believers wouldn’t alter a thing if they reduced their carbon output to Zero point Zero?
Sounds like that purported 97% bullocks is really somewhere around 3% instead.

Greg
Reply to  Bryan A
April 23, 2019 10:22 pm

If everyone who already cared about climate change “reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much,” said Gavin Schmidt,

If the entire United States reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much.

What was it ? An immeasurable 0.02 deg C ??

What’s worse is that he KNOWS that.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Greg
April 23, 2019 11:25 pm

That was a modelled 0.02 deg C.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 23, 2019 11:29 pm

Using RCP 8.5!

BobM
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 24, 2019 5:02 am

Was that for the Paris Agreement or the Obama EPA’s “Clean Power Plan”, meant to kill the coal industry?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 24, 2019 6:28 am

Top shelf models.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 9:19 am

If EVERY country in THE ENTIRE WORLD reduced its “carbon emissions” to zero, it wouldn’t do jack shit.

Because CO2 doesn’t “drive” the Earth’s climate. It never has, it isn’t now, and it never will.

Louis Schwarzmayr
Reply to  AGW is not Science
April 25, 2019 1:47 am

Why is the gravitational temperature effect not taken into account when discussing the greenhouse effect, the earth energy budget and greenhouse gases and their contribution to global warming?
It is claimed that the black body radiation from earth should be 255K but the surface of the earth is in average 288K. The difference is due to the presence of greenhouse gases mainly CO2. Should not the gravitational effect of gases on the temperature of about 9.8degK/km be taken into account?
https://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2017/05/mgh-not-greenhouse-gases-provides-warm.html
Isn’t this the reason why the surface is hotter than 255K?

Steve Keppel-Jones
Reply to  AGW is not Science
April 25, 2019 8:37 am

It certainly should, Louis, and this discrepancy isn’t being given nearly enough attention in my view. Lots of people here, including Anthony and Willis, and Dr. RG Brown, argue (with no evidence whatsoever) that there is no gravito-thermal effect. They are disagreeing with Loschmidt, Feynman, Graeff, and plenty of other physicists who can explain the effect quite straightforwardly. We really should sort this out to everyone’s satisfaction, because it’s going to be very difficult to make a functioning model of the atmosphere without taking this effect into account.

Kemaris
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 11:20 am

This fact is hugely important right now. California’s ability to regulate vehicle emissions hinges on a demonstration that this regulation is necessary. If EPA can be forced the acknowledge that zeroing out US CO2 emissions will do jack squat for temperature, then California’s marginal emission reductions from motor vehicles will, by definition, do eve less than jack squat. At that point, there is no plausible argument that the Clean Air Act waiver for California is “necessary” for CO2, and the waiver must be rescinded.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 1:03 pm

‘What’s worse is that he KNOWS that.’

That’s one of the problems I have with all these lukewarmists who will argue all day about how many angels can dance on the end of a pin in THIS forum, but never seem to find the time to correct any of the REAL whoppers being spread by the press or alarmist activists.

Sara
Reply to  Bryan A
April 24, 2019 4:07 am

Gavin Schmidt could reduce his very own personal emissions by getting his mouth sewn shut, and encouraging others of his ilk to do the same thing. And walk to those IPCC conferences. That would impress me humongously.

Sorry, Mods, if I sound too annoyed, but I spent the weekend getting a bodacious lot of photos of geese and various species of ducks, and all the fishing people I ran into think that the Greenbeans and CAGWers and Ecohippies are nuts. None of us saw any of those self-important twits out admiring the wind-driven high surf on Lake Michigan, or doing a bird census count, or on the hiking trails looking for emerging wildflowers and nesting birds.

I think we should just wall them up in cities, charge them a fee and require a permit to leave the environs of their habitat (cities), and arrest them if they violate the rules outside the walls. I only say this because after my jaunts to the wetlands (I did hear frogs, but didn’t see them yet), it was as plain as daylight that the ecohippies and self-aggrandizing snobs like Emma Thompson and Hansen don’t really care about the planet at all, as George Carlin observed several years ago. They only care about the attention they can get for going to those demos.

colin
Reply to  Sara
April 24, 2019 6:14 am

Gavin and the Birth strikers can just commit mass suicide, which will reduce their emissions to zero immediately.

Spetzer86
Reply to  colin
April 24, 2019 9:05 am

Well, then the bodies start degrading, which releases methane. Then there are the coffins, ground, etc: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-your-death-affects-cl_b_6263152

You just can’t die your way out of Climate Change.

Susan
Reply to  Sara
April 25, 2019 12:04 am

Hear, hear! Either corral them in the cities or dump them somewhere where they have to manage without fossil fuels.

observa
Reply to  Bryan A
April 24, 2019 4:19 am

So maybe only the 97% of doomster scientists have to reduce their carbon emissions to zero rather than all of us? Sounds fine by me and carry on with the noble cause chaps.

R Shearer
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 23, 2019 9:10 pm

Even David Buckel couldn’t get away from fossil fuels in his self immolation.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 24, 2019 8:55 am

Whats worse we will have to be duped before we will understand the truth that the flim flam will result in fossil fuel for the blessed, read Gavin and the rich and famous he gets to hang out with like Emma Thompson, and leonardo dicrapio. They might as well paint signs on their private jets “fossil fuel for me but not for thee.”

D Cage
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 24, 2019 12:36 pm

He is right as now more than half of the people no longer believe so they have to have compulsion and know it.
As a so called scientist can he explain how corporate solar panels are any better than private ones at producing electricity at night or corporate wind farms when the wind does not blow.
Personally I will take them seriously when they invite sceptics to ask questions publicly and answer them plausibly and politely with no name calling.

Eric Barnes
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 24, 2019 7:28 pm

Nah. Changing your habits won’t work, sending your money to places like Washington DC will allow Gavin and the other climate scientists to save the world. /sarc

mario lento
April 23, 2019 7:04 pm

Gavin was politically smart, in that green people can stop sacrificing, saying it does not matter since… scientists told me the only way to save the earth is through government (regulations) forcing everyone. There, so don’t call me a hypocrite!

Reply to  mario lento
April 23, 2019 7:28 pm

No doubt Gavin is happy with the Government using the police powers of the State to enforce it’s “climate action” agenda on everyone else, rather than having people voluntarily under free will and personal choice make changes.
That allows the Elites to buy indulgences and buy favors from the rulers to get their personal climate exemption.

There are several prominent examples from the 20th Century how that form of government played out for the masses.

mario lento
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 23, 2019 10:11 pm

Just had an argument with a friend, who started down the wrong path, stating that she wishes hamburgers would cost $35 so people who make better choices… this led to ‘there are too many people’. She said she did not want this country to end up like Russian from where she came.
I said her misguided ‘good intentions” were terrifying to me… It went back and forth, but did not resolve.

Dave Fair
Reply to  mario lento
April 23, 2019 11:19 pm

Ask your friend if she wants a government powerful enough to force every citizen to do what the government politicians/bureaucrats think is good for them? What if she personally disagrees with a pronouncement? Does she think government politicians/bureaucrats are infallible? Does she think government politicians/bureaucrats should have the power to limit free speech for the betterment of society?

Do you think she understands the complexity of life? Does it appear if she thinks she is always right? Does she think she has the right to dictate personal decisions to others?

Do you think she is someone that you want in your life? Is her dogmatic life view worth your apparent personal aggravation?

Reply to  mario lento
April 23, 2019 11:49 pm

Knowing the “Why” of hamburgers costing $35 is crucial. Free market or government control/mandates?
If 95% can afford a $35 hamburger, no problemo.
If only 5% can afford it, Big Problemo.
Yellow Vest time. Declaration of Independence time.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 24, 2019 3:26 am

on burgers. or NOT burgers
our local stupormarket is selling those fake burgers this week first time Ive seen them
sorta pink lke meatpaste;-/
but the price?
FORTY au$ a kilo!!!!!!
I could buy the best local grown well treated grass fed fillet for 30 to 35?.
hard to credit a few cents of grain and GM altered goop can be worth so much to virtue signal

mario lento
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 24, 2019 8:49 am

This all started because she read the tripe related to the “impossible burger”. Marketing gets people to make decisions based on feelings. He husband is a major player in the marketing business. I just did a quick search on the impossible burger and can see where she got all of her “But the way cows are treated, ” “Global Warming”, and then the site tells people what should be done to get the government to get rid of their competition.

This kind of mind control makes me sick!

John Endicott
Reply to  mario lento
April 24, 2019 4:50 am

She said she did not want this country to end up like Russian from where she came.

And yet she advocates for a position that inevitably leads to a country just like the Russia from whence she came.

mario lento
Reply to  John Endicott
April 24, 2019 9:16 am

Oh the irony, I said said as much. She said, “I am looking at the big picture not the details” responding to my reasoning that he wishes were dangerous because of… I said no, she is not looking at the big picture, because the big picture is Freedom… that we can make our own decisions with minimal government intervention and theft of property. That is what made the US a place that you ran to, and your wishes are what created what you ran from.

Gums
Reply to  John Endicott
April 24, 2019 10:56 am

Salute!

She must be very young.

A blogger back when Russia was gonna host the Olympics cranked out some good pieces that had Russian culture themes. Some pieces explained many things most of we folks in the “west” did not understand. I feel she was trying to place a good face on the country and needed visitors.

In any case, she also had a few blogs about how things were before 1989, and even later. So take a look and think about how the folks in the U.S. and some other countries might react if they were required to exist as depicted.

https://understandrussia.com/soviet-apartments/

and all the great fresh veggies

https://understandrussia.com/deficit/

Oh yeah……. tell Gavin and all the acolytes that in their utopian world they may have to “adjust” a bit.

There will be “required” changes in lifestyle required to reverse climate change. And they will not determine the changes!!! They will live in the apartments depicted in the blog and have the glorious selection of fresh avacados, celery, romaine lettuce, squash, tomatoes, carrots, beans, peas, etc. that the young lady’s blog depicts.

And, oh yeah, I forgot……. The “controlling authority” will determine if Gavin can study climate or geology or underwater basketweaving at school. You know, from each according to……

Gums sends…

Hugs
Reply to  mario lento
April 24, 2019 7:16 am

Hamburgers only for the rich? And willingness to get rid of so many ppl who are well doing?

Sounds like the Soviet Union. They eventually eliminated production and productivity. A green dream, if you will, until you see it for real.

mario lento
Reply to  Hugs
April 24, 2019 9:13 am

You are correct: She is from Russian and in the argument she said she does not want the US to turn into Russian where she came from. I responded that “getting the government to tell us what we should do would do would make us less like USSR???” I said it’s frightening to think people can come up with government control as the answer to all of their wishes, when the US was founded on freedom. Freedom to be an asshole if you like!

mario lento
Reply to  Hugs
April 24, 2019 9:14 am

You are correct: She is from Russian and in the argument she said she does not want the US to turn into Russian where she came from. I responded that “getting the government to tell us what we should do would do would make us less like USSR???” I said it’s frightening to think people can come up with government control as the answer to all of their wishes, when the US was founded on freedom. Freedom to be an a$$hole if you like!

AGW is not Science
Reply to  mario lento
April 24, 2019 9:37 am

I wish windmills and solar panels would cost a trillion dollars each.

So that, you know, people would make smarter choices about how to generate electricity.

Tom Abbott
April 23, 2019 7:15 pm

We can’t do anything meaningful individually, we need to do it collectively, in order to tame CAGW, and of course, we will need a leader for this collective to show us the way.

H.R.
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 23, 2019 8:31 pm

I’m available, if the World needs an Eco-Emperor.

Uhhh… that’s assuming the pay is good. If it beats my Social Security check then yeah, I’m in.

Oh, and minions. I insist on having minions.

Kurt
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 23, 2019 9:10 pm

Doing what is necessary to meaningfully affect temperatures (assuming for the sake of argument that the alarmists are correct) would entail more drastic lifestyle changes than any individual would ever do voluntarily. Thus, government needs to be ceded the power to deprive individuals of enough personal freedom that government can force the requisite sacrifices down everyone’s throat.

Dinking around the edges of the “problem” by voluntarily scaling back airline travel or installing solar panels doesn’t reduce energy use enough. What we really need to do are things like outlaw private ownership of cars for everyone except the elites, and make ordinary citizens live within a mile of your workplace so you can bike to the office, or take light rail or other mass transit. If you need a car for a vacation, you can try to rent one of the governmentally-limited number of rental cars at whatever outrageous price is needed to keep demand in check. We need a smart grid capable of rationing everyone’s power usage to make sure people keep their thermostats in check during the winter and wear sweaters to keep warm, otherwise wind and solar just won’t cut it to satisfy electricity demand.

This is really what Gavin means. He just doesn’t have the intellectual honesty to say it.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Kurt
April 23, 2019 9:38 pm

Kurt and Tom You are very misinformed and simply wrong. Here is the one graph that destroys this ridiculous scam.
https://twitter.com/ATomalty/status/1120527877076865024

Greg
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
April 23, 2019 10:32 pm

Interesting Alan. Why did you not fit a trend line instead of showing the flat average line?

Just eyeballing the data it does seem to have a small downward trend.

I’m always interested in evidence that is contrary to the 97% BS claims.
How does not showing the trend at one location “destroy” the scam?

Kurt
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 12:29 am

Alan doesn’t understand the points Tom and I were making, which criticized Gavin Schmidt by saying that the logical end-point of of any solution offered by alarmists to their asserted climate crisis is the drastic curtailment of individual freedom.

Tom wasn’t advocating for a great “leader . . . to show us the way” – he was ridiculing Schmidt. I wasn’t advocating for smart grids or bans on private ownership of cars – I was noting that IF Schmidt and his ilk truly believe they are right, these examples were the types of actions that they must believe to be necessary but are too cowardly to say it, and they try to excuse their own prolifagate use of fossil fuels by arguing that their real climate efforts are in advocating for the government to assert this power over the masses, which they believe to be truly necessary.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 6:22 am

Alan just wanted to post his link again. Your comments got picked.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
April 24, 2019 4:09 am

I guess I should have included a “sarc” tag to my post. 🙂

StephenP
Reply to  Kurt
April 24, 2019 12:02 am

It looks as if the activists want us to revert to how China was in the 1960s, equality except for the ruling class, everyone uses bicycles, the diet is very limited and mostly vegetarian (except for the wild life that gets eaten) and everyone has to wear quilted clothes in the winter as there is next to no heating.

April 23, 2019 7:20 pm

– What about private jets?
– What about mega-yachts?
– Maintaining 2nd & 3rd vacation homes in winter destinations?
– Big mansions for two people.
Those do add up.

Now I’m one who thinks added CO2 is net beneficial, beneficial to both humanity and the biosphere, at least up to 2 doublings, = 4x pre-industrial (1,120 ppm).

But if you are one of the many who’ve been brainwashed into believing additional CO2 is harmful and will destroy the Earth. And thus life-giving CO2 is actually pollutant, as in some kind of religious belief about CC, and you also think the LIA was no big deal, then it is hypocritical in the extreme for the rich to continue to engage in those behaviors I list above.

Gavin is just trying to rationalize the moral quandary that the Climate Change believing Left has found itself in with its priests telling everyone to do as I say, not as I do.

Bryan A
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 23, 2019 8:04 pm
Dave Fair
Reply to  Bryan A
April 23, 2019 9:37 pm

Betcha that there is a huge diesel engine or gas turbine on that sailboat. Extremely expensive virtue signaling. I wonder the CO2 expenditures in constructing, operating and maintaining those high-tech sails?

Greg
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 23, 2019 10:42 pm

Fersure. Those sails just look like giant spinnakers. They do not have the form to act as normal sails. The only photo they show of it really under sail power is in a tail wind.

It’s a classic executive yacht with vanity sails for fake eco-ness.

Mike Ozanne
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 12:24 am

You can sail into the wind with that sail configuration See the Maltese Falcon…:

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 3:19 am

The Maltese Falcon in the video was sailing half wind (wind coming from 3 or 9 o’clock), which is optimum for sail boats, thus being able to go faster than the wind. Sailboats are lively. The issue first comes when you have schedule to adhere to. It is the same with wind turbines, they are okay at times, but nothing you can build a society on, thus it is cheaper to exclusively build and maintain power stations that can deliver on demand.

John Endicott
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 4:53 am

You can sail into the wind with that sail configuration

which is great *when* there’s a wind to sail into. Not going to get to far when there isn’t a wind to sail into.

Dave Fair
Reply to  John Endicott
April 24, 2019 10:02 am

Rich folks with an alternative, reliable backup don’t have to worry about that.

Dave Fair
Reply to  John Endicott
April 24, 2019 10:02 am

Rich folks with an alternative, reliable backup don’t have to worry about that.

Michael Ozanne
Reply to  Greg
April 24, 2019 4:59 pm

“ou can sail into the wind with that sail configuration

which is great *when* there’s a wind to sail into. Not going to get to far when there isn’t a wind to sail into.”

Well quite, there was a reason that the RN went to coal, then oil… the factual point at issue was would it sail properly not whether it was stupid…

Michael Jankowski
April 23, 2019 7:25 pm

…If everyone who already cared about climate change “reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much,” said Gavin Schmidt…

Supposedly people who care far outweigh the skeptics and deniers, so it should make a huge difference.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
April 23, 2019 8:36 pm

“Supposedly people who care far outweigh the skeptics and deniers, so it should make a huge difference.”

So, one way or the other: we’re living in the best of all worlds.

/ to be told Gavin Schmidt

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
April 23, 2019 10:07 pm

Ha ha. That’s a real gotcha isn’t it. How many people actually care? yea, probably all of three people. The rest just want to care, or pretend to care.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
April 23, 2019 11:07 pm

Gavin lies not only by omission, but by commission as well; he is a central participant in all those National Assessments. In addition of lying about worsening climate in the CONUS, the Assessments fail to point out the futility of their recommendations for U.S. CO2 abatement; the Assessments do not point out the documented current and future emissions growth in China, India, Africa, etc.

Craig
April 23, 2019 7:26 pm

If everyone who already cared about climate change “reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much,”

If everyone in the US reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it still wouldn’t change very much. Even if you believe all the AGW nonsense, you still can’t deny this.

Reply to  Craig
April 23, 2019 7:41 pm

It matters even less in the US, Australia, Japan, and Europe given China’s and India’s current CO2 emissions and emissions trajectories for the next 30 years. Trajectories in which the UNFCCC’s COP process has no hope of controlling or curtailing.

The only thing the developed West is likely to do is commit economic suicide and shrivel in military power. Which is exactly the path to allow China’s military to dominate all of East Asia and the Western Pacific, and use debtor-in-possession of African raw materials in a new era of Chinese colonial imperialism at the end of a bayonet and ballistic missile.

Mike
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 23, 2019 8:00 pm

But Bill Shorten (opposition leader here in Oz) says…”We are going to take REAL action on climate”

(Not withstanding the fact the if aliens suddenly took Australia off the planet, no-one would notice the difference temperature wise)

Reply to  Mike
April 23, 2019 8:10 pm

How do you know aliens are not already in control of Oz leaders’ bodies?
Seems to me their is ample in-direct evidence for it.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 24, 2019 6:25 am

Will all humans the anus forms first. Trouble with politicians anus growth does not stop after birth!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Craig
April 23, 2019 9:25 pm

Gavin was very cagey; he was truthful about it not making any difference, but he didn’t mention China, India, Africa, etc. as being the main reason that anything anybody did in the U.S., indeed the whole Western World, would make any difference.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 24, 2019 9:34 am

Of course then there’s the fact that Gavin is simply wrong, as CO2 has never been empirically demonstrated to drive the Earth’s temperature or climate. They simply ASSUME that to be true without any empirical support.

Which means absolutely nothing humanity does about ITS PITTANCE of CO2 emissions (compared to natural emissions) would change a damn thing anyway.

Kenji
April 23, 2019 7:28 pm

Translation:

Freedom, Liberty, and America’s Constitutional Rights that places all power in the hands Individual citizens … is awful. Only a Centralized bureaucratic Fascist Dictatorship that plans and controls everyone’s life will “save” the planet.

I don’t want to live on THAT planet, or with THOSE people … EVER!

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Kenji
April 24, 2019 9:40 am

Me neither!

Tom in Florida
April 23, 2019 7:29 pm

“Zelikova aims to only buy meat from ranchers with sustainable grazing practices.”

What the hell is “sustainable grazing practices” other than a buzz word?

Kenji
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 23, 2019 8:18 pm

Excellent question. I have no clue what all that pc, feel-good, virtue-signaling nonsense about “suss-stain-able” grazing is supposed to mean. But here is what I learned about “sustainable grazing” while spending one summer working on a 6k acre hay ranch in Southern Oregon. The ranchers I worked for ran about 200 head of cattle on a part of their property bordering a swampy lake. The cattle fed on the natural plant material found on the ground. Little or NO supplemental feed was necessary. The “sustainability” factor was that their cattle fattened up and bred new little calves … for FREE. Well, virtually for FREE … as with ALL ranchers, they lovingly,, and carefully monitored the health of their herd. If any of their cattle died suddenly … they would pay the local large animal Vet. to autopsy the animal to ensure no disease killed it which could harm the herd. They deeply cared about their cattle the way only a true Capitalist can … with their bank account. The death, or disease of their cattle would COST$ them everything. So they provided ALL that was needed for their animals. I suspect that people who talk about “sustainable” farming practices know NOTHING about REAL grazing. Nothing about real animal husbandry. Oh wait! Animal “husbandry” … that’s not pc to say, eh?

David Chappell
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 23, 2019 8:47 pm

It’s the way ranchers stay in business as ranchers I presume.

LdB
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 23, 2019 8:58 pm

Well you pay a leftist group or green mafia a fee and they give you a ticket that says “produced by sustainable grazing practice”. RSPCA, Sea Shepherd etc they are all into the scam.

Another Ian
Reply to  LdB
April 23, 2019 11:15 pm

Don’t forget WWF here

Dave Fair
Reply to  Another Ian
April 23, 2019 11:27 pm

Does anyone know what Danegeld (gafol) means? Did it do the English any good?

Will Greenwash do companies any good? Will the WWF, etc. spare any company in the end?

Kenji
Reply to  LdB
April 24, 2019 10:12 am

OMG ! So TRUE! Here in the CA building industry I now have to hire “Greenpoint Raters” to file “Greenpoint” Forms to obtain a building permit in all the woke green intersectionalist cities of CA. It’s all about FULL Employment for the Environmental “Sciences” graduates.

Derg
April 23, 2019 7:32 pm

Don’t forget about the hookers and blow at these conferences…never forget

Reply to  Derg
April 23, 2019 7:43 pm

Al Gore doesn’t have to go to COP After-party to get that.

Jones
April 23, 2019 7:40 pm

“According to NASA’s Gavin Schmidt, making personal lifestyle changes has very little impact on anthropogenic CO2 emissions.”

Well that’s handy…..

Mike
April 23, 2019 7:54 pm

Why do most climate horror dudes look like old soyboys?

Craig from Oz
April 23, 2019 8:09 pm

I think we are all taking this the wrong way.

Let us look again at two bits of Gavin Wisdom;

““Agitating and voting and writing letters and op-eds, make far more sense” ”
and
“… he doesn’t want the public to get the impression that the only way to save the planet is by abstaining from certain products or not traveling. ”

So what we can take away from this is abstaining is bad and writing letters is where the real action is.

So I am going to refuse to abstain from coal fired electricity, meat, travelling, driving a turbo diesel, voting conservative and wearing leather and then write a letter to Sarah Sea Patrol tell her… well… not sure she can actually read, so maybe I will just attach a few pictures of lamb curry instead. That, according to Big Gav, will save the planet.

Job done. Time for beer.

John Endicott
Reply to  Craig from Oz
April 24, 2019 5:01 am

The takeaway I got was virtual signaling (agitating and writing letters/OP eds) is good and the way to go, actually living the life you agitate for not so much.

Sara
Reply to  Craig from Oz
April 24, 2019 9:24 am

If the ecohippies actually picked up their trash instead of leaving it behind, it might make a difference. But they don’t. They are the worst offenders and slobs I’ve ever run across – EVER. And I don’t want them anywhere near me, period.

DMA
April 23, 2019 8:09 pm

Once again-if you can’t find a signal for anthropogenic CO2 in the atmospheric rate of change (https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/12/19/co2responsiveness/) then stopping a small part of the undetectable change will also be undetectable. In fact if all of humanity disappeared the rate of change of CO2 in the atmosphere would barely change at all.

Mr.
April 23, 2019 8:21 pm

Gavin and co need to keep grants coming in to prop up their phony baloney jobs –

yarpos
April 23, 2019 8:23 pm

I guess its just photo selection like all the wide eyed open mouthed shots of AOC, but the likes of Mann,Schmidt, Gore, Flannery and the like always appear so smug and superior. Seems to be something they all develop over time.

SAMURAI
April 23, 2019 8:39 pm

Schmidt is actually correct that individuals lowering their carbon footprint won’t have much of an effect on CAGW, but neither would Socialist governments taking over the world economy and building wind/solar farms, and starting unicorn ranches, because ECS is a paltry 0.6C~1.2C..

Leftists don’t understand economics and fail to learn the lessons of history. If Socialists took over the world economy, the next fuel sources would eventually be be trees and home furniture..

AGW is not Science
Reply to  SAMURAI
April 24, 2019 9:54 am

Plus that “ECS” applies ONLY when “ALL OTHER THINGS” are “HELD EQUAL.” In the real world, ALL OTHER things are NOT “held equal,” the “feedbacks” are negative, offsetting feedbacks, and the “sensitivity” of climate (temperature) to atmospheric CO2 levels is, as a practical matter, ZERO.

That’s how Earth could plunge into a full blown glaciation ~450mya with CO2 at TEN TIMES what it is now, which we’re supposed to panic about, and it was also RISING at the time.

John the Econ
April 23, 2019 10:17 pm

That’s the consistent thing about Progressives. It’s always up to someone else to make and pay for the big sacrifices. For themselves, it’s just enough that they care and write letters.

rah
April 23, 2019 10:18 pm

I would say that personal sacrifices having to do with preventing pollution of other types make far more difference. Recycling, being careful how one disposes of used batteries and oil. Not littering. Those kind of things are far more important than what kind of vehicle one drives.

Coeur de Lion
April 23, 2019 10:33 pm

Btw in discussions I say that CO2 has increased from just under three to just over four molecules per ten thousand in a hundred years. Innumerate alarmists blink and think

Serge Wright
April 23, 2019 10:45 pm

More bull Schmid.

Gavin doesn’t want himself or fellow alarmists to make any sacrifices and uses the excuse that it’s a government concern. This is all very convenient and certainly aligns with what most people consider is the the real agenda of establishing eco solialism and the removal of capitalism.

Patrick MJD
April 23, 2019 11:23 pm

Even if we were able to make reductions of CO2 emissions on an global industrial scale there would be no change in climate. None!

michel
April 24, 2019 12:45 am

Gavin is right of course, but the demand for personal reductions is part of a general phenomenon, the activists refuse to demand what their theory says is necessary and effective, and instead concentrate on proposals which, in their own terms, will have no effect.

If they are right, the world as a whole needs to abolish the car, close down most industry, stop flying, and move the population and businesses into high density and energy efficient urban areas where everyone can walk or bike to shops (of which there will be a lot fewer) schools, businesses.

Not just the US, or the West, but China and India, the whole world, need to do this too.

You will find no-one in the US or Europe among the climate alarmed advocating this. In fact, its considered very bad taste to even notice that China is the largest CO2 emitter, or that it burns and mines more coal than the rest of the world put together. Commenters who draw attention to this on places like Arstechnica or the Guardian are quickly banned. As is anyone who points out that if the US were to vanish, the effect on global warming, if you believe the IPCC estimates, would be close to zero. So why demand it, then?

Instead they advocate measures which are at best useless and have no impact on global CO2 emissions. Paris. Electric cars. Wind turbines. Solar rooftop panels.

My own question for some years now, confronted with this, has been increasingly to doubt anyone believes any of the alarmism. If they did, they would be advocating policies which in their own view must be both necessary and effective to deal with the supposed emergency. Its clear China doesn’t believe it. No sign that India does. But does anyone in the West really believe it?

Surely if they did they would be advocating measures which would actually bring emissions down to single figures. But they never do. So at some point you have to ask if they believe what they claim.

Imagine, we have what people claim to be a vaccine against an epidemic which is predicted to if unchecked, wipe out three quarters of humanity, including in their own countries. The science is settled, only deniers dispute it. But they then refuse to advocate a global vaccination program which at the same time they claim to be the only protection. And they will not say why.

Do they really believe what they claim?

AGW is not Science
Reply to  michel
April 24, 2019 10:02 am

A quick way to defuse any of the climate obsessed is to ask if they are prepared to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against China, India, and any other “developing” nation that has rising or high CO2 emissions, in order to “force” them to stop.

If the answer to that is “no,” then NO should be the answer to ANY AND ALL “climate” policies, because in that case such policies would do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about so-called “climate change” – and THAT assumes that the “climate” pseudo-science is correct (and it’s NOT).

Rod Evans
April 24, 2019 12:57 am

At last someone from NASA giving sound advise to people.
“Do what you like, because it doesn’t make any difference to the climate”
What took them so long?

oakwood
April 24, 2019 1:20 am

Of all those school kids going on climate marchers, I just wonder how many refused to fly away on an Easter break holiday (offered by their parents) or will give up travelling the world for exotic photos for their Instagram accounts? No doubt a few will, but I suspect many won’t. As Emma Thompson, its the government’s reponsibility to create carbon-free aeroplanes. Which politicians does she expect to do that? Those who have made such a mess of Brexit?

David Stone
April 24, 2019 1:39 am

I see this a slightly different way. Gavin realises that the scam has little more time to run before global temperatures fall, perhaps in an ice age. This comment means that he can say “we knew it all the time” and keep his job. This is typical of bureaucrats, they are right all the time by design!

Wiliam Haas
April 24, 2019 1:44 am

The Earth’s climate has been changing for eons and most of that change was before mankind evolved. According to the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. The climate change we are experiencing is so small that it takes networks of very sophisticated sensors, decades to even detect it. We have to be careful not to mix up weather cycles that are part of the current climate with true climate change. Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and there is plenty of scientific rationale to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero.

AGW is a conjecture that depends upon the existence of radiant greenhouse effect in the Earth’s atmosphere provided for by trace gases with LWIR absorption bands. AGW at first seems to be quite plausible but a more in depth analysis uncovers that AGW is bases on only partial science and is full of holes. For example, the radiant greenhouse effect has not been observed in a real greenhouse, in the Earth’s atmosphere, or anywhere else in the solar system for that matter. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction so hence that AGW conjecture is science fiction as well. It is true that the so called greenhouse gases absorb LWIR absorption band radiation but that does not mean the they hence trap heat energy because what they absorb they very quickly radiate away. Good absorbers are also good radiators and the primary mode of heat energy transfer in the troposphere is by means other than LWIR absorption band radiation. It would be the non-greenhouse gases that are more apt to trap heat energy because they are such poor radiators to space compared to the so called greenhouse gases. The AGW conjecture has got things backwards.

Since the AGW conjecture is nothing but science fiction, all papers and studies that use the AGW conjecture as a basic assumption are nothing but science fiction as well. Mankind could completely stop burning fossil fuels and it would have no effect on global climate. It is all a matter of science.

Rick C PE
Reply to  Wiliam Haas
April 24, 2019 10:00 am

The greenhouse effect in a real greenhouse has virtually nothing to do with the composition of the gasses inside. It is the fact that glass readily transmits high energy visible an UV sun light but is opaque to inferred (LWIR) that substantially warms the greenhouse. LWIR from the warm interior surfaces is absorbed by the glass, conducted to the exterior surface and transmitted to the cooler outdoor environment by radiation and convection. This heat loss is significantly slower than it would be if the glass was transparent to LWIR.

But the greenhouse will cool down overnight and requires heating when outdoor temperatures are cold. Greenhouse operators frequently employ gas fired direct heaters to both elevate CO2 concentration and provide overnight heating – a very high efficiency heating process as nearly 100% of the heating potential of the gas is delivered to the space. However the effect of the increased CO2 on the heat loss rate is negligible and probably not measurable compared to that of the glass – especially if double glazing is used.

oakwood
April 24, 2019 1:53 am

gavin’s (sic) position is rather like saying: you can put your rubbish in a bin if you like instead of dropping it on the ground, its a nice thing to do, but it won’t clean up the oceans, so not really important.

michel
Reply to  oakwood
April 24, 2019 10:48 am

No, its not like that. Its all carbon. Its all the same thing.

The problem is that the reductions in carbon emissions that can be made by individuals in the West lowering their emissions by lifestyle changes are so small that they make no difference to the global total of emissions of that same carbon.

The reason for this is the same reason as activists promote lifestyle changes.

It is that the changes which are really necessary to lower US emissions would be enormous, and involve closing down the auto industry, moving people, moving businesses, restructuring the entire economy and the way we live. Nothing short of that will lower emissions materially. The problem is our choices affect our emissions at the margin. The vast bulk of the emissions per capita occur simply from living in our society as it is.

Activists cannot admit the need for the huge changes, so they promote the trivial ones.

Peta of Newark
April 24, 2019 3:23 am

What went wrong with science….

Schmidt became a vegetarian,

(Not just Gavin, everyone who tries to exist on a diet where most calories come from carbohydrate)

Perfectly explains why he bottled out of *that* interview.
His memory is/was trashed.
Self confidence is also trashed
Mental agility down to zero
He is/was hungry
He is/was dehydrated and hungover
He could only think of one thing – where’s my next snack/meal coming from and it had better be *bistro*

Science (politics, education & personal relationships) have all either:
a) Gone down the pan (aided by all that ‘healthy’ fibre – now= ‘prebiotic’ – look out for it)
b) Shot into the urinal – thank you Caffeine, soda-pop & booze plus our own system desperately trying to offload glucose
c) Blown away in the wind (If you don’t break wind 25 times per day – You Are Unhealthy. Insanity squared)
d) Blown away in the wind Ver: 2.0 – thank you tobacco & cannabis
e) Been further trashed via epic shortage of Vitamin B – not least Greta

How can anyone do science, education & politics while living inside that mess? Where every waking minute is taken up stressing about sugar, obtaining it, suffering the consequences of eating, off-loading it then: Repeat Ad Nauseam.
Literally “nauseam”

Here’s a nice one arrived today –
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2019/04/23/loch-ness-monster-mass-delusion-triggered-discovery-dinosaurs/

Just replace the word ‘dinosaur’ with ‘trapped heat’ and what have you got?

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
April 24, 2019 3:38 am

…..at least there is the possibility that dinosaurs actually *did* exist….

Not= The Anthroproffomorfickpropeceneyseen or whatever we deem to call ourselves
Possibly The Hubris-O-Cene but nah –

Welcome to The Dream-O-Cene
Optionally the junk, fake or hoax-o-cenes

Rod Evans
April 24, 2019 3:34 am

At last NASA has come out with the truth. You can do what you like, because it won’t make any difference to the climate.
Why did it take them so long?

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 24, 2019 3:45 am

Have they really Rob – I see them still hiding, deleting/adjusting the clouds of CO2 (as seen by their own Sputnik) hanging over the big forests while claiming that CO2 is making them greener.

Not even NASA can get away with claiming that Black=White so they ‘Do A Gavin’ – run away and hide (the data)
Just like small children might do. Or Phil Jones – they do have precedent.
Now we see where Greta fits in….

Bruce Cobb
April 24, 2019 3:37 am

“People who use the personal choices of climate scientists as some kind of excuse for not understanding science or refusing to accept science, those are not good-faith arguments, and we shouldn’t really entertain them,” Schmidt said.
Schmidt himself is being uber disingenuous here with his blatant straw man arguments as well as the Big Lie he sneaks in about it all being about “not understanding science” or “refusing to accept science”. So, he’s both a huge liar as well as hypocrite. Nice.

Javier
April 24, 2019 3:49 am

Gavin Schmidt:
If everyone who already cared about climate change “reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much”

It is the first time I see Gavin Schmidt saying something that is actually true.
– Personal reductions in carbon emissions won’t affect climate much.
– National reductions in carbon emissions won’t affect climate much.
– Regional reductions in carbon emissions won’t affect climate much.
– Global reductions in carbon emissions won’t affect climate much.

Climate is not very much affected by CO2 levels, but photosynthesizers are. The biosphere loves the extra CO2.

Eric Campbell
April 24, 2019 4:15 am

YEAH!!! What you do as an individual is irrelevant!!!! The collective needs to take dramatic action through the government!!!! YEAH!!!

Bernie!! Bernie!!! Bernie!!!!!!!

Tom Abbott
April 24, 2019 4:49 am

Gavin has that “deer in the headlights” look.

That’s understandable seeing as how the temperatures have been falling for the last three years, down 0.6C from Feb 2016, while CO2 levels climb. Gavin’s CAGW hypothesis isn’t supposed to work that way. Temperatures are supposed to be getting “hotter and hotter”, according to Gavin’s CAGW hypothesis, but they’re not. What in the world is going on here?

Gavin must be thinking it is time for some more temperature chart adjustments. Things are looking bad for the CAGW narrative.

DaveS
April 24, 2019 5:19 am

Gavin appears to be standing up well under the weight of all that smugness.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  DaveS
April 24, 2019 6:22 am

Above or below the chin?

Tom in Florida
April 24, 2019 5:59 am

Perhaps he is getting ready to retire and spend the rest of his life traveling and enjoying the finer things. So he has to say these things so as not to look like a hypocrite.

Bruce Cobb
April 24, 2019 7:01 am

Imagine if Schmuck and LiarMann got together – the resulting smug cloud and smug storm could be catastrophic. Shudder.

Harry Passfield
April 24, 2019 7:14 am

Activists like Schmidt keep saying that we need to change the climate, but ‘climate’ is really an abstract concept being made up of – according to IPCC – of 30 years’ of weather.
So what these people really want to do is control the weather – every year for thirty years – world-wide! (and so on…..)

Someone let me know when scientists have come up with a system to control the weather.

EternalOptimist
April 24, 2019 7:25 am

tsk tsk, you climate deniers make me laugh.
As George Monbiot pointed out, flying across the Atlantic is as unacceptable as child abuse , Gavin is merely pointing out that ‘it doesn’t really change much’. Gavin and George (the GG’s) regularly fly the Atlantic even though they find it totally unacceptable. because it doesn’t change anything and is therefore acceptable

What’s so difficult to understand ?

Reply to  EternalOptimist
April 24, 2019 8:34 am

Orwell called it ‘doublethink’.

Joel Snider
April 24, 2019 7:52 am

Oh, but he’s overlooking the warm-fuzzy – the primary motive for the rank and file marching brooms – if not the head of the dragon.

April 24, 2019 9:31 am

Schmidt must know how broken climate science is to begin with, thus there’s no action any person or government can do that will have any effect whatsoever. If he doesn’t know how broken climate science is, any scientific degrees he has should be revoked.

Joel Snider
Reply to  co2isnotevil
April 24, 2019 9:39 am

Well, it’s just like every progressive policy – he believes if we had one-hundred percent compliance it would solve everything.

See, the unspoken subtext in his little claim is: NO FREEDOM OF CHOICE ALLOWED.

Like always.

Paul Penrose
April 24, 2019 10:05 am

Even if CO2 emissions were a problem, Gavin is just wrong. If you want to change the status quo, you need to be a leader. And leading by example is much more persuasive than just lecturing people. Shouting the crisis message while not making any personal sacrifices just makes you look like a hypocrite. Like most people, I hate hypocrites.

DrTorch
April 24, 2019 10:25 am

It’s all about the gov’t forcefully taking away rights and liberty.

ATheoK
April 24, 2019 11:28 am

Galloping coward Gavin claims:

“If everyone who already cared about climate change “reduced their carbon emissions to zero, it doesn’t actually change very much,” said Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Making your home energy efficient is nothing compared to laws that would require all buildings to be greener. Buying solar panels for your roof doesn’t pack the same climate punch as electric companies relying more on solar farms, and less on coal plants, to feed the grid.
“Agitating and voting and writing letters and op-eds,” Schmidt said, “make far more sense” for promoting systemic change.”

Basically, Gavin claims the world must resort to a strict hierarchical tyrannical socialism. A tyranny that can force extreme changes upon a subservient populace.

Government that worked so well for the world and populations under Hitler, Stalin, Mao and many many more.

Gavin is a fraud. He rejects actual science n favor of global warming religious beliefs. e.g. “Buying solar panels for your roof doesn’t pack the same climate punch as electric companies relying more on solar farms, and less on coal plants, to feed the grid.”; where Gavin pretends that he knows what is best for supplying cheap energy to electric grids and the population.

Such ignorant activism in a Federal leadership position is disappointing and embarrassing.

Martin
April 24, 2019 11:44 am

Gavin a vegetarian? All the CAGW alarmists are vegetarian or vegan!

April 24, 2019 12:55 pm

Hmm, so, what if every Warmist gave up their own use of fossil fuels and went neutral? According to their own talking points and Beliefs, this would make a huge difference. They should try it. But, this is really a deflection from Warmists having to practice what they preach, never thinking once that they will end up paying for it in taxes, skyrocketing cost of living, and massive government control of their lives.

ResourceGuy
April 24, 2019 1:02 pm

Translation:

We need you all to be activists for a movement that does not really matter individually in practical terms, but the activism itself is powerful.

Famous movie line from The Matrix:
Morpheus states: “The human body generates more bioelectricity than a 120-volt battery and over 25,000 BTUs of body heat. Combined with a form of fusion, the machines had found all the energy they would ever need.

Brooks Hurd
April 24, 2019 1:09 pm

Thank you soooooo much, Gavin!

It’s great to know that we need not walk the walk, but only talk and talk and talk just like you!

Max Porath
April 24, 2019 1:40 pm

Some time ago there was an interesting series on the History Channel called Life After People. Not certain about the accuracy of the timeline but my takeaway from the series was that, aside from a few monuments such as Mt. Rushmore, the pyramids, etc, there will be no trace of human existence on this planet after a few thousand years with no people. Almost everything we have ever done will be erased (one way or another) by the forces of nature very quickly including any contribution we have made to increasing the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere. Human beings and their activities, other than on the shortest of times scales, just don’t matter.

Nothing we do, in the long run, has a lasting effect. None of our land use changes, dams, bridges, roads, buildings and the list goes on, will survive us for more than a few thousand years, once we are gone. And, humans being gone (mostly or totally) appears to be the goal for some. It isn’t until recently (the last 60-70 years) that obliterating the entire human race has been an obtainable goal, by humans, that is. Nature could snuff us out, entirely, with no trouble at all. But, if you’re a human, killing most, but not all, of us is a tricky business. Anything effective enough to do the job is, well, likely to finish us completely so it would take a set of complete nut cases to kick off the effort and, unfortunately, there is no shortage of complete nut cases willing to make it happen, if they can. Talk about your zero emissions goal…

In the long run, mother nature is likely to cull our numbers when this, lovely, warmth, declines into the dry, bitter cold, of glaciation. The time line for this is probably too long for our nut cases but, assuming they don’t manage to kill most of us in the mean time, mother nature is going to do the job for them, eventually.

In the mean time, we’ll have to fight the good fight against the nut cases intent upon our doom, as a species. We’re doomed, to one degree or another, eventually, but I’d rather the doom be later than sooner.

\Sarc…Kind of.

Cheers

Max

Berndt Koch
April 24, 2019 2:39 pm

Maybe this is tactical, when somebody now says to Greta “why are you still using fossil fuel based products?” she can say that her use of these has a minimal effect on the issue. It’s there to deflect and get around one of the contrarian arguments

ResourceGuy
April 25, 2019 11:48 am

Would you want a guy like that doing the wiring of your spacecraft headed for Mars?

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