Mark Steyn Reacts To New Climate Change Theory: ‘I Can Get On Board With This One’

From The Daily Caller.

Phillip Stucky | Contributor

Conservative author and commentator Mark Steyn reacted Thursday to a new climate change theory asserting that toxic masculinity is to blame for global warming.

In an interview with Tucker Carlson, Steyn discussed a new study from Dr. Aaron Brough of Utah State University that concluded that behavior attempting to reverse climate change is a mostly feminine trait, and that men don’t engage in such behaviors as often because of some responsibility to their sense of self.

“Well, I confess I was at first skeptical,” Steyn said. “If I understand this thesis, my insecurities about my masculinity are causing rising sea levels in the Maldives. And at first I didn’t really buy that, but as I think about it, I think in fact it’s actually one of the least visible climate science thesis of recent years. I’m kind of on board with where they are going on this.” (RELATED: Not Enough Dems Showed Up At This Climate Hearing So Republicans Pulled This Power Move)

“I think, in fact, it’s very difficult to tell, with social science as with climate science, whether or not it’s an ingenious parody,” Steyn continued. “It’s almost impossible to tell, in fact, I think this goes back to, — I think the important point here is toxic masculinity. They are saying that they did a survey here. This is the kind of hardcore science behind it in which they gave someone a Walmart gift card and it was pink and had lots of flowery printed on it, looked a bit girlie and sissy and milquetoast pantywaist.”

“The guy giving this gift card went out and bought very macho masculine things that melt the polar ice caps. If you give him something, he is so impressionable—this toxic masculine male—if you give him a masculine-type card, he thinks, ‘Oh, that’s really nice,’ and he goes out and buys a Sierra Club tote bag and saves the planet. This is the kind of social science that the higher education institutions of America are spending a fortune investigating.”

The research included 2,000 participants across seven different experiments. One experiment required participants to remember an act that they considered to be good for the environment and then were asked to answer whether or not they felt masculine or feminine after performing that act.

Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez announced earlier this year that there were only 12 years left to solve the global warming crisis, and many women are so afraid of climate change that they are deciding not to have kids to bring them into a world that is ending.

The issue is reaching into the 2020 presidential primary as well. Democratic California Sen. Kamala Harris announced that increased wildfires and hurricanes are proof that climate change is here.

“Let’s speak truth — climate change is real and it is happening now,” Harris said at her first presidential rally in Oakland, California, in January. “Everybody here knows from wildfires in the west to hurricanes in the east to floods and droughts in the heartland, but we’re not going to buy the lie, we’re going to act based on science fact, not science fiction.”

HT/Yooper

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Tom Abbott
April 6, 2019 6:11 am

That was a funny segment by Steyn.

Dr. Susan Crockford did an interview, too. Which I thought was very good. Tucker seemed to be well-informed on the subject of polar bears and Susan’s fight against her detractors.

As for “toxic masculinity” being a factor in anything, it’s just another man-bashing meme from the Loonies on the Left.

Kenji
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 6, 2019 10:16 am

Well … I do know one thing for certain … Dr. Mann will never be accused of being a man. Well, not a “toxic” version of a man. Dr. Mann is so much more “evolved” than that perhaps he has already “transitioned” beyond his mannhood.

Tom Monfort
Reply to  Kenji
April 6, 2019 3:01 pm

It was Mark Steyn’s “toxic masculinity” that “triggered” Dr. Mann to sue Mark Steyn. It’s like a plague threatening the “tolerance”, “diversity” and “inclusiveness” that makes the left popular with the weak minded that just want to feel good and follow the easy path with minimum effort. Just repeat your instructions and everything will be fine.

2hotel9
Reply to  Kenji
April 6, 2019 3:54 pm

OOOOHHHHH!!! He is gonna sue you now! You should have at least typed that with a slight British accent. Then he would not be able to tell if it is just Mark smackin’ him around again or some new wanker jumping on the band wagon.

nw sage
Reply to  Kenji
April 6, 2019 5:25 pm

Kenjii – the Woke term is ‘evolved’. There will be an exam in 3 days.

RobbertBobbert
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 7, 2019 4:21 am

Tom,
Aaron R. Brough
Utah State University | USU · Department of Management. Associate Professor of Marketing.
The Climate Scam and Marketing…a union just perfect for each other.

H.R.
April 6, 2019 6:22 am

One experiment required participants to remember an act that they considered to be good for the environment and then were asked to answer whether or not they felt masculine or feminine after performing that act.

I release CO2 into the atmosphere to green and warm the planet, both very good things. I don’t ‘feel’ masculine or feminine after anything. I don’t think about it at all. For example, after brushing my teeth, I feel… like my teeth are clean.

Maybe it’s just me being behind the times, but are we now supposed to feel masculine or feminine after getting up and letting the dog out to potty?

michael hart
Reply to  H.R.
April 6, 2019 12:59 pm

You sort of beat me to it. I was going to say that taking a dump is quite good for some aspects of the green environment, but I’ve never really thought about trying to assign it masculine or feminine characteristics. Perhaps its the language we choose to describe it that is more likely to follow certain patterns.

michael hart
Reply to  michael hart
April 6, 2019 1:39 pm

The authors also have a bigger problem in so far as these days we are told that gender is a social context and we get to choose our gender identification depending on what we felt like when we got out of bed.
That is probably going to render their research useless (assuming that it wasn’t already useless, which seems like a big ask.)

Reply to  H.R.
April 6, 2019 5:57 pm

Yeah, who the heck EVER thinks about their gender, as they are performing any act. That very premise and assumption is stupid, stupid, stupid beyond description. Well, maybe not beyond description, if I use mathematical notation:

Stupidn, … where n is indeterminate.

Mmmm, now that I DO think about it, saying that sort of felt masculine.

GP
April 6, 2019 6:25 am

Steyn says “risible” not visible.

commieBob
Reply to  GP
April 6, 2019 8:13 am

I think in fact it’s actually one of the least visible risible climate science thesis of recent years.

That’s what he said and it makes way more sense. Bottom line … climate science is a joke.

Lark
Reply to  GP
April 6, 2019 11:35 am

And “theses”, not thesis.

April 6, 2019 6:33 am

If you watch Seal Team on TV you know that sufficient facial hair is also a sign of toxic masculinity. I’m not talking that “milquetoast pantywaist” fluff that Mann and Dessler have. But real beards. I doubt the Seals are worried about those disposable plastics bags from the grocery store. Getting shot at and jumping out of planes puts the world into perspective. Same with the working stiff-guy trying to support his family and pay bills. A much higher gas bill and electric bill busts the budget and makes getting that bass boat out of reach.

From the Forbes article there is this beauty,

“This unearths a deeply held unconscious bias that Brough and team call the “Green-Feminine Stereotype.” Once this unconscious bias is revealed, it has the potential to help society shift our increasingly precarious relationship with the environment for the better. If it remains hidden, it has the potential to greatly damage our environment permanently.”

“Green feminine stereotype”. I couldn’t agree more. So yes, I confess, I’m biased.
Based on that passage, and how the Progressives are becoming more authoritarian-despotic, we desperately need a Constitutional amendment “To keep and bear testicles.” Lacking that amendment, I’ll just have to fall back to #2A to defend the boys. Which is why the Left hates #2A.

And from this line of research and quotes from Dr Brough at Utah State Univ, one can see why the Left also hates Dr Jordan Peterson. Peterson’s efforts to help lost boys become men and stand-up straight in a world increasingly wanting them to neuter themselves is an affront to the Left’s intersectional feminism (whatever that is) and flex-gender bending and other nonsense.

Would love to see Dr Peterson face off with this guy Dr Brough in a debate on his research.

EW_3
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 6, 2019 8:47 am

Always remember it’s SEAL (Sea Air and Land).
Have known several of them, they are very special people.

2hotel9
Reply to  EW_3
April 6, 2019 3:42 pm

Special is not the term I would use for SEALs I have known. It is a bit limiting.

David Smith
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 6, 2019 9:04 am

Did Dr . Crockford talk about “Polar Bear testicles”?

I’m not sure how nutritious they are but “A Hunter’s Guide to Edible Organs states:. … “”but it’s interesting to note that polar bear liver contains lethal amounts of vitamin A.””

Greg
Reply to  David Smith
April 6, 2019 9:58 am

Thanks for the reminder to stay away from polar bear liver. I’m sure that their testicles must contain toxic amounts of testosterone too. So full of that toxic masculinity, so often found in nature.

Oh wait, isn’t natural supposed to be good? Maybe toxic masculinity is there for a reason.

Phoenix44
Reply to  David Smith
April 6, 2019 1:27 pm

Very true – there are recorded instances of Arctic explorers/shipwrecks dying from eating polar bear livers. One for the diet police too, eating excessive Vitamin A will kill you far quicker than excessive McDonalds..

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 6, 2019 10:56 am

“bear testicles”? You can get those in china, I hear…
http://tinyurl.com/y64zqyl5

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 6, 2019 11:30 am

Question: Are the ZZTops guys with their huge flowing beards and pink fluffy guitars; real men, or girly?

Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
April 6, 2019 5:03 pm

ZZTop’s music video She’s Got Legs vdeo answers that question:
https://youtu.be/eUDcTLaWJuo

Feminist’s heads explode on that one.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
April 6, 2019 11:38 am

Are polar bears a good meat ?

See the film of the “Arctic” exploration towards the Baffin Island at 8:50 :

Robert of Texas
April 6, 2019 6:48 am

They forgot to work in “White” into the narrative. Only White Masculinity causes climate change; that is why the Neanderthals, who lived mainly in Europe, went extinct. Masculinity of Color didn’t cause any climate change and so was allowed to survive. Good thing too, or there would have been no males left at all, and then where would children have come from? From the cabbage patch?

I can honestly say I “feel” masculine pretty much all the time. Maybe, just maybe, it’s because I was born a male and I am comfortable with that. I just asked…my wife is pretty comfortable being feminine all the time. Maybe because she was born female and is comfortable with that. Oh, and she laughs at AGW all the time. How can you not when they come up with such utter nonsense and call them “Theories”.

Bear
Reply to  Robert of Texas
April 6, 2019 8:17 am

Don’t forget European and straight. It’s Straight White European Masculinity. How’s that for the negative (non-victim) version of intersectionality.

Thomho
Reply to  Bear
April 11, 2019 10:12 am

You forgot to add in ‘privileged ” before the rest of the gobblley gook

Taphonomic
Reply to  Robert of Texas
April 6, 2019 12:31 pm

It’s ironic that the non-white Chinese are pumping the most CO2 into the atmosphere (and increasing their emissions) but no one seems to care.

Reply to  Taphonomic
April 6, 2019 1:26 pm

Taphonomic

Why should they? CO2 is good.

Phoenix44
Reply to  Robert of Texas
April 6, 2019 1:29 pm

Neanderthals were probably not white – white skin is a pretty recent mutation .

Reply to  Phoenix44
April 6, 2019 3:38 pm

Neanderthals were quite white but looked very dark as they did not wash much. The weather was very cold then and they did not yet have showers, basins or hot water.

Hugs
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 7, 2019 8:52 am

What do we know of them washing themselves Saturday evenings?

Kevin kilty
April 6, 2019 6:53 am

CTM: not “least visible” but “least risible”, that is least laughable. I was listening to the interview elsewhere.

2hotel9
April 6, 2019 6:59 am

I first saw this “study” and laughed out loud, it is clearly a parody. Come on, his name is “Brough”? I can’t believe people did not spot it right off the bat. And I love Steyn, undocumented guest host for Mr Limbow. No wonder Mikee Mannee is suing him, Mark makes him look like a fool with zero effort just by speaking.

Max
April 6, 2019 7:01 am

How can they be so bigoted as to limit this study to only two genders? What if you do an act and feel somewhat male-to-female trans, but might be confused by your birth gender as a mulato otherkin?

This sounds like a cheap attempt to cash in on some of the research dollars that are still being wasted on “climate change”.

AWM
Reply to  Max
April 7, 2019 7:33 am

“How can they be so bigoted as to limit this study to only two genders?”

I must be catching on! That was the first thing I thought! LOL

BRAVO

Vuk
April 6, 2019 7:08 am

‘Dems on climate change: We have 12 years left’

Couple of months ago was 10 years ! It appears we are living on the planet that is spreading at velocity of 0.999 c towards centre of the BB origin, or put it in simply ‘ we going back in time’.

rlu
April 6, 2019 7:16 am

I see a clear link between the rise of feminism and global warming. If only feminist would accept Victorian Age gender roles, most problems of modern society would vanish. /sarc

Barbara
Reply to  rlu
April 6, 2019 9:11 am

“/sarc”

Are you sure? 😉

John Bell
April 6, 2019 7:16 am

Such insane theories are helping our skeptics side of things, I hope the Left keeps spewing them out.

JEHill
April 6, 2019 7:20 am

Wow I now have a new unconscious bias. But being aware of it makes it just a bias. Frankly, it is one I can live with in peace.

If I had to choose an environmental issue to care about, additional CO2 in the atmosphere, would be at the very bottom my list.

Kevin kilty
April 6, 2019 7:20 am

The writer at Forbes actually was, not in a farcical sense, totally taken in by this “research.” Can anyone imagine the problems with this sort of survey-based research? Please tell me, researchers, how you determined construct validity. Even if it were possible to organize, say, five measures of a male feeling feminine, or vice versa, and therefore help us to figure out how to self-measure our masculinity/femininity on any given day, there is the problem in survey research of people having poor memories about any past event, and even making stuff up.

I think the correct answer to the question of “Did you feel masculine or feminine?” would be, “I don’t think that has any bearing on the issue.” But no. We are all so good-natured that we try to help these dummies out by playing along.

Bill Powers
April 6, 2019 7:21 am

“Let’s speak truth — climate change is real and it is happening now,” Harris said. Well nobody said the climate isn’t changing but what does that have to do with hurricanes and wildfires?

The scariest part of this line of rhetorical truth twisting/pretzel making is that her audience thinks. WOW, there you go, everything she said is true because she said truth was what she was speaking. On 2nd thought, scarier yet is that these Borg automatons never stop to wonder. Wait! If it is true when she prefaces it as true what is it when she doesn’t?

These are the very same simpletons who regularly regurgitate the phrase that he/she is speaking his/her truth completely oblivious to the hard science that truth is or isn’t and not subject to his/hers interpretation.
This culture is so effed up that the truth is our country is skrewd

Russ R.
Reply to  Bill Powers
April 6, 2019 8:36 am

When a politician says “Let’s speak truth..”, you can be sure a lie is coming next. It is an attempt to bypass your normal BS detector. Most of us that have a finely tuned, functioning BS detector, and are not going to fall for this. There are wildfires where there have always been wildfires. Hurricanes where there have always been Hurricanes. Floods where there have always been Floods. We have made some of the effects of these natural events worse by poor choices, but we did not cause them. Most of us are not superstitious enough to think that “burning a witch” will prevent future negative events. But plenty of people are basing their lack of superstition on what “smarter people” tell them. If “smarter people” tell them burning witches is good science, and makes bad events less intense than the otherwise would be, witch barbecues would be a common occurrence.
She is appealing to those with weak minds. She might as well have said “These are not the Droids you are looking for”.

On the outer Barcoo
Reply to  Russ R.
April 6, 2019 11:37 am

The phrase “Let’s speak truth..” is an example of begging the question, a sly technique learned early in high school …

Reply to  Russ R.
April 6, 2019 1:43 pm

Russ R.

When a politician says “Let’s speak truth..”…….

Hah! Don’t make me laugh.

Our Prime Minister (Theresa May) recited on no less than 108 occasions over the last 2 years or so since the UK held a referendum to leave the EU, that the UK would leave the European Union on the 29th of March 2019.

She also repeated the term “No Deal is better than a bad deal” on no less than 32 occasions. The very bad deal she negotiated with the EU was defeated in our House of Commons by a margin never before seen. As you might imagine, UK politics goes back a very long way. The ‘deal’ or Withdrawal Agreement (WA) was described by one prominent politician as “The worst deal in the world”.

So, once every five days or so, Theresa May reaffirmed her promises to the British public.

It was announced shortly before the 29th March that the date to leave the EU would be extended until the 12th April. Whereupon Theresa May solemnly promised the country we would leave by the 12th April.

It was announced yesterday (5th April) that Theresa May has written to the EU to ask for an extension until the 30th June.

Do politicians lie?

Is the Pope a catholic.

paul courtney
April 6, 2019 7:28 am

Thanks for covering Mark Steyn. I encourage all to visit Steynonline, even if you don’t care for politics he has a “song of the week” column that will amaze. Full of interesting bits about song writers and show-biz royalty.

He’s also got alot of courage, trying to keep western civ. from crashing.

Rotor
April 6, 2019 7:30 am

“Climate Science is a State of Mind”
Steyn

Reply to  Rotor
April 6, 2019 8:01 am

If Mann had said something like that it would be:

“‘Climate Science’ is a stage of mine.”

Bob boder
April 6, 2019 8:04 am

If climate change is toxic masculinity based, then the world is a man not a women because the climate has been changing since the very beginning. Father Gia I guess

pochas94
April 6, 2019 8:05 am

This articles’s a scream! Oh wait – that’s what females do.

observa
April 6, 2019 8:10 am

Just keep on laughing at them until their lunar prescriptions bring them undone and Steyn is one of the best at it. Nothing else for it while so many are ignorant of real science until it slaps them hard.

PeterGB
April 6, 2019 8:14 am

I wonder how long it took Brough to figure out how to get himself a big slice of all that CAGW funding sloshing about. On the face of it psychology doesn’t stand a chance, but you have to hand it to him, he found a way!

Adam
Reply to  PeterGB
April 6, 2019 9:08 am

He tied together all the great problems of the modern era. He’s basically constructed a unified field theory. It explains everything. This guy is Einstein reincarnate. MacArthur genius grant and Harvard appointment await the most brilliant man of our time!

2hotel9
Reply to  Adam
April 6, 2019 2:46 pm

Got to admit, that is pretty funny.

Adam
Reply to  PeterGB
April 6, 2019 9:12 am

He’s a professor of marketing. I think we’ve been played.

Susan
April 6, 2019 8:29 am

Toxic masculinity is frequently evident on this site, which might suggest the researcher has a point. On the other hand I couldn’t say whether an activity made me feel feminine or masculine unless it involved pink or khaki.

Russ R.
Reply to  Susan
April 6, 2019 8:50 am

It can’t be “toxic” if it is a natural process on this planet. Like it or not, we are all descended from a natural process where males fight for the right to pass their genetic properties on to the next generation. It is evident in our past, and evident in the other forms of life on this planet.
It is an evolutionary process that promotes genetic traits that are valuable in the survival of a species.
You can decide we don’t want that anymore, but that decision does not re-write our DNA. And deciding we are ready to make a break from the past, that brought us to where we are, is not a trivial decision.

ferd berple
Reply to  Russ R.
April 6, 2019 9:17 am

I’ve seen females fight over males in human society. Sometime physically but often verbally, often with intent to do harm.

There are reliable reports that in some tribal cultures it is the women that torture captured prisoners, and the torture is particularly cruel.

In some other social species alpha females kill the pups of other females.

Terms like toxic masculinity are simply ways to lay blame on a section of society for problems that occur across society. Like blaming Jews or witches.

2hotel9
Reply to  ferd berple
April 6, 2019 2:54 pm

+1000 Nailed it!!!!!!!

Russ R.
Reply to  ferd berple
April 6, 2019 3:42 pm

You are missing the point Fred. Just because there are examples that are “out of the norm” does not mean that the norm does not exist. Males are typically physically dominant over females because they are “normally” larger and more powerful. This is neither good nor bad, it is just the way of sexual reproduction on this planet.
Which means females will prefer healthy dominant males over feminized males to sire her offspring. This does not apply in all cases, but is the trend that increases the likelihood of her children surviving and producing children of their own.
And males selected for reproduction, have a vested interest in providing protection for his mate and his offspring, especially from other males that would like to replace him. This leads to fights and is a major component of our behavior patterns. Many of these patterns are less important when “law and order” is provided by a police force, but the basic instinct of those patterns is still embedded in our DNA.
The same masculine behavior that rapes and pillages is the same masculine behavior that protects the vulnerable.

ferd berple
Reply to  Susan
April 6, 2019 9:02 am

Toxic masculinity is frequently evident on this site.
≠========≠
To qualify as toxic masculinity, the behavior would have to be uniquely male. I have never seen any human behavior that is uniquely male.

Toxic masculinity is in reality an insult, seeking to assign blame for an imperfect world. Like climate denier or the “n” word.

J Mac
Reply to  Susan
April 6, 2019 9:19 am

Toxic feminism created the term ‘toxic masculinity’.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Susan
April 6, 2019 9:41 am

Toxic masculinity is frequently evident on this site,

And only occasionally funny enough not to care.

Phoenix44
Reply to  Susan
April 6, 2019 1:37 pm

Make up a thing based on your prejudices and you can say that thing is wherever you like, because it is made-up. So much of this stuff is nothing more than an unsophisticated fallacy, begging the question. Not that long ago men would do the same about women, inventing things like female hysteria and then using their made-up definitions to “find” it everywhere.

Shame women simply copy bigoted nonsense from 100 years ago.

2hotel9
Reply to  Phoenix44
April 6, 2019 3:14 pm

Ah, no, I have personally experienced “female hysteria”. It is real and widely prevalent throughout modern human culture. How to eradicate it is the real question. Pretending males and females are exactly the same clearly is not the answer.

F1nn
Reply to  2hotel9
April 7, 2019 4:29 am

Every man knows “female hysteria” very well.

Man and woman are very different homo species. By some strange nature twist they can have childs. And those childs never will be exactly the same. You know, boys are boys and girls are not.

2hotel9
Reply to  Susan
April 6, 2019 2:41 pm

If it is toxic then people should just stay away from it, that is the only cure. And we can keep moving the real world forward. It is what males do.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Susan
April 7, 2019 5:09 am

tsk tsk and we women arent toxic?
Im not into the feminist hype
but Ive never though I couldnt do something cos it was blokes work either
same token I expect a bloke to cook and be able to use appliances as well;-)

2hotel9
Reply to  ozspeaksup
April 8, 2019 7:24 am

I am an extremely toxic male(very proud of that fact) and I can cook far better than any feminista! Have no problem with operating a wide range of appliances. Got no problem with taking care of babies(kids like me) and I list and enforce boundaries and rules. I can sew, hand stitch to commercial machine. I loves me cats and the dogs, too. And yes, I cried when he shot Old Yeller( I was 5). Does that check off enough boxes? 😉

observa
April 6, 2019 8:33 am

The delicious irony is feminine emotionalism is largely in the thrall of toxic masculine climastrology. Needing a man as a protector and what bigger shoulder to lean on than those purporting to save you from wrath of Gaia eh girls?

Tom Abbott
April 6, 2019 9:02 am

What is toxic masculinity anyway?

I know what masculinity is, but what turns it toxic, or is it inately toxic?

I’m probably going to regret asking, but it seems to me that just about anything that would apply to a male could also apply to a female. I suppose those pushing this toxic masculinity meme would say that an arrogant male is toxic. What do we call an arrogant female? Is she toxic, too? Are there things that apply to males that make them toxic that don’t apply to females?

I personally think the meme is delusional thinking. There seems to be a lot of that around nowadays. Our schools have failed society. They took a poll the other day and one third of those Americans polled could not name even one branch of government (How do dummies like that govern themselves?). What do you want to bet those same people are right up to date on toxic masculinity and the latest thinking on it.

Like the saying goes: They know a lot that isn’t so.

ferd berple
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 6, 2019 9:32 am

How about nagging. Would that qualify as toxic femininity. And what about the term “catty”.

pochas94
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 6, 2019 9:37 am

Toxic masculinity is what women feel when men don’t do as they’re told.

Susan
Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 6, 2019 12:27 pm

Toxic masculinity I take to be when inherently male characteristics (we’ll take there are such things for the sake of argument) become exaggerated and where an image is created into which men try to fit. Being prepared to fight to protect his family becomes punching someone for looking at his girlfriend; being competitive becomes dangerous driving. In the climate change context I suspect the obsession with powerful cars as evidence of masculinity is the most obvious point.
Women can be pretty unpleasant too.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
April 6, 2019 1:54 pm

Tom Abbott

Really good point.

Masculinity is generally considered a positive trait by most females. Nor does it equate to a guy wandering around in a loin cloth beating his chest. It means different things to different people. I have known gay guys who present themselves as more masculine than me, they weren’t interested in attracting females though.

I have known archetypal weedy guys get the gorgeous looking birds who, by masculine and feminine stereotyping, should never have been attracted to them.

My considered opinion of all this sort of stuff is that its simply pseudo intellectuals desperate to fit us all into convenient little boxes for their own convenience.

It’s all BS.

2hotel9
Reply to  HotScot
April 6, 2019 3:39 pm

HScot, you are dead on. Most masculine man I knew in US Army was a chopper pilot(pre-don’t ask/don’t tell) who was kinda hard not to know was gay. He ate ground fire on several extractions other pilots had sheared off from, pulled four of us out of a one ship LZ no one else would even try, and I never saw or heard of him throwing such in the faces of other pilots or anyone else. Masculine, professional, humble. And fearless when the fire was flying. Last I heard he was doing heavy lift work in Gulf of Mexico on oil rigs. Not for the faint of heart.

Susan
Reply to  2hotel9
April 7, 2019 12:11 am

The good qualities we define as masculine can be found in anyone, gay men and even women can be tough and brave. Toxic masculinity is not in the best and bravest – all the noise and unpleasantness comes from the wannabes and the inadequate.

2hotel9
Reply to  Susan
April 8, 2019 7:30 am

I embrace toxic masculinity, it is one of the main drivers that has brought the human race to the pinnacle we now stand on.

Samuel C Cogar
April 6, 2019 9:20 am

Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez announced earlier this year that there were only 12 years left to solve the global warming crisis, ….

One can’t actually claim that Ocasio-Cortez is “learning-disabled” ….. but it’s a sure fact that she (OC) has been severely misnurtured during her early childhood …… and also severely miseducated during her public schooling years …. given her silly, asinine “12 year belief/claim” as noted above.

Also attesting to OC’s miseducation is her claim that ….. “the fighting involved to implement her Green New Deal (GND) will be America’s World War II”.

“DUH”, someone ought to tell OC that America has already fought and won its World War II (WWII) …… and that it is her Green New Deal (GND) that will surely trigger America’s Civil War II (CWII) which will most likely be far more bloody and destructive than CWI was.

Ya buy them pencils & books, ….. send them to school, …… where liberal-minded educators babysit/nursemaid them for 12 years …. only to be released onto the streets demanding all their “wants” be given to them “free” of charge.

Robert Stewart
April 6, 2019 9:29 am

I think Stein said ““The guy giv[en] this gift card …” not “giving” … The subject of this “experiment” was the recipient of the gift card, not the donor.

2hotel9
Reply to  Robert Stewart
April 6, 2019 2:52 pm

If you have to interpret what Mark is saying you have already lost the thread of consciousness needed to understand. Go to his website and spend 10 hours listening, then you will get “it”.

Robert Stewart
Reply to  2hotel9
April 7, 2019 9:22 am

I have no trouble understanding Mark, and have enjoyed his books and videos for over a decade. My comment was directed at the transcription. Mark’s comments don’t make much sense if you replace “given” with “giving”, and “risible” with “visible”. Just saying …

2hotel9
Reply to  Robert Stewart
April 8, 2019 7:39 am

Ah, OK. Auto transcribing can come up with some real head scratchers, much like close captioning.

Duane
April 6, 2019 9:37 am

All the talk of “toxic masculinity” is toxic femininity.

Cease and desist all such talk, now.

April 6, 2019 9:56 am

I’m white and in my sixties and my toxic masculinity is causing me to wonder about the data showing Arctic sea ice extent nosediving.

My first thought is that there’s some equipment malfunction. My second thought is that maybe someone’s faking the data, and then my third thought is to wonder if the Arctic sea ice extent is actually nosediving and, if so, why? Anyone know?

…. and then lastly, did anyone trademark the two-letter acronym for toxic masculinity?

Tom in Florida
April 6, 2019 10:05 am

Toxic masculinity may need a doctor prescription..

Susan
Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 7, 2019 6:54 am

Surgery is the answer – speaking as a veterinary surgeon.😊

Anthony Banton
April 6, 2019 10:53 am
Rod Evans
Reply to  Anthony Banton
April 6, 2019 1:37 pm

Yup it is called natural variation.

2hotel9
Reply to  Anthony Banton
April 6, 2019 2:57 pm

Oop, there it is, Oop there it is!!!!!! Ever Body cabbage patch!!!!!!(if you need it explained you are too young, or did not pay attention in the 1980s)

2hotel9
Reply to  Anthony Banton
April 6, 2019 2:59 pm

Oh, and I know ark can Cabbage Patch, I’ve seen him do it!

Peta of Newark
April 6, 2019 11:20 am

Just wow, Hammer meet Nail:

From the Google………….

In psychology. Terry Kupers defines toxic masculinity as “the constellation of socially regressive male traits that serve to foster domination, the devaluation of women, homophobia and wanton violence

Lets take it apart….
1)

socially regressive

Does this mean lack of social skill, memory fails, poor sense of humour, required use of the ‘sarc’ tag and insult hurling, as for example at Griff
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2)

male traits

And the number of girl commentators around is…. how many. More or less than the boys. By what margin/ratio
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3)

serve to foster domination

And how many times around her inside the last week have we seen the word ‘dominate’
Why exactly is it required that the US is the Dominant Military, The dominant World energy driller, fracker, supplier refiner.
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4)

devaluation of women

Second only to the naked spite & venom aimed at Griff, lets look at how girls like Sarah Myhre, Nancy Pelosi and the hapless babe Alexandria. Its toe-curling to read here sometimes.
Apart from girls having systematically mistreated for at least the last 1,000 years. Hence why they have short legs, fat backsides hence have a funny walk and couldn’t deliver their own babies until medicine came along with antiseptics, anaesthetics and surgery. See now why high heeled shoes were invented – to make them *look* like they were supposed to = tall & slender instead of short & fat.
Hence why 15 out of 19 Salem Witches were female – forced to eat mouldy corn. Thanks lads.
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5)

homophobia

Aimed at anyone who doesn’t agree with you, Gore, Obama, Mann, McKibben etc etc etc.
OK, you can disagree with them and mention that BUT, to do it constantly and without very much provocation? Remember, The Human Animal cannot lie.
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6) Obviously not applicable here or online generally but…

wanton violence

My example = Easter Island.
After the boys & girls parted company (forcibly via Dutch sailors removing sex slaves), what did the boys do?
Trashed the place. Literally. Just like Lord of the Flies

You know me and what I’m gonna say..
It is not actually the boys’ fault. There is nothing intrinsically and or genetically wrong with them.

The fault lies in their diet, what they do eat, what they don’t eat and actually should.

Also what they *should* have eaten in the first 24 months post-partum – breast milk vs formula (fake) milk
All of those symptoms described above would be exhibited by folks affected with Kwashiorkor followed by a diet revolving around sugar mixed with alcohol and now cannabis = potent depressants the lot of them.

Yes Tom in Florida – it *does*need a doctor’s prescription. Thank you for nailing that.
= No carbohydrate and no booze

Yet the doctors say what – alcohol may actually be good for you?
And most senior doctors and their teachers are…..boys or girls?
The TM trademark was fixed and assigned a very very long time ago.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Peta of Newark
April 7, 2019 5:29 am

not going to reply to all points but women here? more than many other sites that arent homecrap and mediadrivel I reckon.
you might admit that not many women are willing to actually READ or discuss climate issues unless its PRO/greenist parroting I have maybe 2 gfriends at most who occasionally read what i send and ask or debate.

homophobia? well I sure as hell dont agree with gore man and the rest of that clique of liars n fearmongering dross. I quite like men on a good day:-) but not those t*rds.

social regressive?
is that anyone whos not on the PCness bandwagon and into the trans kiddies lbgqwhatever hysteria?
guess I score high there too.
naughty girl:-) roflmao

as for clothing choices a LOT of that is pushed BY women to women, and the worst criticism is FROM women.

by this stage of the ongoing develpment any women who cant stand up and call a bloke a fool or whatever he deserves AND take the same back if deserved also is an epic fail if you consider the 70yrs or so of feminist indoctrination via schools unis and elsewhere. if you cant fix your own tap washers or change your own tyres etc then youre NOT even beginning to be able to demand equal anything.

Buck Wheaton
April 6, 2019 11:36 am

Climate change in a progressive context always eventually converges to socialism.

Glen Martin
April 6, 2019 1:40 pm

My hypothesis: Men are causing climate change on purpose so woman are forced to wear less clothes.

2hotel9
Reply to  Glen Martin
April 6, 2019 3:16 pm

YES!!!! Well, some women. If the gals could just get on board to make “some” men wear less we could have a winning ticket here.

Susan
Reply to  2hotel9
April 7, 2019 12:16 pm

Most men should wear more – I believe I speak for most women on this.

2hotel9
Reply to  Susan
April 8, 2019 7:33 am

Oh, with you there! In that vein, why is it the women protesting about going topless are the last ones anybody would want to see topless?!?!?

brent
April 6, 2019 1:42 pm

Global Warming Is Now A ‘Women ’s Issue’ Due To ‘Ecofeminism
Environmentalists are increasingly claiming that global warming is a “women’s issue” and that the world needs “eco-feminism” as a path forward.
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Ecofeminists believe that women and nature are bonded by traditionally “feminine” values and their shared history of oppression by a patriarchal Western society. This patriarchal society is built on four intersectional pillars of sexism, racism, class exploitation, and environmental destruction.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/global-warming-is-now-a-womens-issue-due-to-ecofeminism/

BS
April 6, 2019 6:40 pm

… many women are so afraid of climate change that they are deciding not to have kids to bring them into a world that is ending.

OR, they might just want the time and money for their self-indulgent, carbon-dioxide-intensive frequent flyer trips to Paris, where they pretend to be French, because the puerile Hollywood created myths about all things French match the image in which they want to see themselves.

Geir Gråbein
April 7, 2019 12:46 am

It’s the other way around. Naive wome buy the climate hoax instead of seeking true facts. This phenom on should be discussed in a broader perspective, because nativity is killing the Western civilization. https://www.bbc.com/news/10156433

WR2
April 7, 2019 4:18 am

I have come to truly hate the world we are living in now. So much self-righteous ignorance. Idiots who have never taken a science class, nor held a job that actually produces something of value to society, lecturing me constantly about science and morality. I am ready to go full John Galt and check out.

Marcus
Reply to  WR2
April 7, 2019 4:29 am

….Who is John Galt ?? ; )

2hotel9
Reply to  Marcus
April 8, 2019 7:16 am

Read the book! Please don’t tell me I have to give the title.

John Endicott
Reply to  2hotel9
April 8, 2019 9:13 am

Read the book! Please don’t tell me I have to give the title.

I don’t think you need too. Note the winking smiley at the end of Marcus’s post.

2hotel9
Reply to  John Endicott
April 8, 2019 4:32 pm

Yea! It is sad, though, the number of people in their 30s and 40s who have no clue to ANYTHING prior to 1989. Hell, if it was not for Saving Private Ryan and CoD WWII they would not even know about the 1940s, what little they know.

Jon
April 7, 2019 5:12 am

“many women are so afraid of climate change that they are deciding not to have kids ”
Great!
Fewer morons in the next generation!