How to terrify liberals

Larry Kummer writes in by email:

Today’s responsible climate reporting, terrifying liberals: “A glacier the size of Florida is on track to change the course of human civilization” by “Pakalolo” at the Daily Kos.

Reposted at Alternet.  Number 5 in today’s daily links at NakedCapitalism, one of the major nodes in Liberal America. It will be seen by pretty much the entire Left in America by sunset. The headline photo is about a crying person after a hurricane. Here is the opening:

Thwaites glacier in West Antarctica is enormous and is often referred to as the most dangerous glacier on Earth. It has also been dubbed the Doomsday glacier. The glacier holds two feet of sea level but, more importantly, it is the “backstop” for four other glaciers which holds an additional 10-13 feet of sea level rise. When Thwaites collapses it will take most of West Antarctica with it. This is not new information for those of us that follow the science. For example, Eric Rignot in 2014, stated that the loss of West Antarctica is unstoppable. (You can listen to an excellent interview from 2019 between Rignot and Radio Eco-shock on Antarctica).

According to researchers at the University of Washington back in 2014, Thwaites is already collapsing. “The simulations indicate that early-stage collapse has begun,” notes their news presser. What’s more, the Thwaites Glacier is a “linchpin” for the rest of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet; its rapid collapse would “probably spill over to adjacent catchments, undermining much of West Antarctica.” 

About that statement by Eric Rignot in 2014. It is from a NASA press release “West Antarctic Glacier Loss Appears Unstoppable” that announces “Widespread, rapid grounding line retreat of Pine Island, Thwaites, Smith, and Kohler glaciers, West Antarctica, from 1992 to 2011” in GRL, 12 May 2014. The paper’s conclusion (with the only mention in it of timing):

“We conclude that this sector of West Antarctica is undergoing a marine ice sheet instability that will significantly contribute to sea level rise in decades to centuries to come.”

Rignot provides additional detail in the press release. No mention of timing in the story, or of uncertainty.

“This sector will be a major contributor to sea level rise in the decades and centuries to come. A conservative estimate is it could take several centuries for all of the ice to flow into the sea.”

This is just the first two paragraphs. Long quotes from reporters for Wired and Rolling Stone. The article runs on for 2300 words.

Added: NASA says in January 2019:

A gigantic cavity — two-thirds the area of Manhattan and almost 1,000 feet (300 meters) tall — growing at the bottom of Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica is one of several disturbing discoveries reported in a new NASA-led study of the disintegrating glacier. The findings highlight the need for detailed observations of Antarctic glaciers’ undersides in calculating how fast global sea levels will rise in response to climate change.

Researchers expected to find some gaps between ice and bedrock at Thwaites’ bottom where ocean water could flow in and melt the glacier from below. The size and explosive growth rate of the newfound hole, however, surprised them. It’s big enough to have contained 14 billion tons of ice, and most of that ice melted over the last three years.

“We have suspected for years that Thwaites was not tightly attached to the bedrock beneath it,” said Eric Rignot of the University of California, Irvine, and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. Rignot is a co-author of the new study, which was published today in Science Advances. “Thanks to a new generation of satellites, we can finally see the detail,” he said.

Note the last quote from NASA, about being able to see the detail for the first time. Here’s the thing: before there were advanced satellites, this sort of activity went on for millennia, blissfully unnoticed. It’s business as usual for glaciers; they melt, breakup, and calve into the sea. The Earth and humanity survived then and will now. -Anthony

Larry Kummer is the editor of the Fabius Maximus website and a frequent contributor to WUWT.

121 thoughts on “How to terrify liberals

  1. No mention of how much sea water will evaporate and be deposited as snow in Antarctica whilst the glaciers are calving.

    • Well, If AOC is correct and we have only a Decade, The melt over the next Centuries is meaningless.
      If AOC is Wrong (and she most definitely is), and the Centuries long Melt is still inevitable, wouldn’t the Trillion$ of expenditure be better spent on Adaptation to rather than mitigation of something we can’t stop anyway?

      • Don’t bet on a superlong glacier melt. We are already 14,000 years into a nominal 10,000-20,000 year interglacial.

        No way to know but to imagine what suits you.

          • Yup, and how are those 91 fossil fuelled volcanos, recently discovered under the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, doing? Not to mention those pesky south boring ocean currents undercutting the fringes of the shelf? And the completely natural processes of glacier calving? All our fault of course!

    • To paraphrase Ecclesiastes:
      All the glaciers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the glaciers come, thither they return again.

      • To be specific, you are paraphrasing:
        Ecclesiastes 1:7 7All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again.

          • It’s quite easy to put a “stop” to glacial calving.

            Just “stop” it from snowing.

        • Something I want to tell every warmist comes just 2 verses later…

          Ecclesiastes 1:9

          The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

          …and that includes not only current condition(s), but the rate(s) of change of that(those) condition(s). Everyone can relax, we have plenty of time. We can wait and see which direction the actual changes actually take, and even wait to see what those changes might do to us, then we decide what to do about it. And the what-to-do options can still include Nothing!

          • @Dave N April 4, 2019 at 9:10 pm

            Nope. Just another progressive Marxist power-grab attempt. We have seen those before, also. Even dressing it up in a new outfit has been tried before.

    • How ice was added to Greenland, some where about a trillion tonnes the past few years.

    • If that hole underneath is really as big as estimated, and is only three years old (which seems very hard to believe), then the volume of water that was formerly in that hole has already contributed to global sea level rise … which as all the sea level gages show, is not increasing any faster for the last 140 years.

      In other words, a great big nothing burger of another vewy vewy scawy global wahming stowy

      • I’ll follow up Duane’s excellent comment with a referencing of Anthony’s comment.

        “A gigantic cavity — two-thirds the area of Manhattan and almost 1,000 feet (300 meters) tall — growing at the bottom of Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica is one of several disturbing discoveries reported in a new NASA-led study.

        The size and explosive growth rate of the newfound hole, however, surprised them.

        It’s big enough to have contained 14 billion tons of ice, and most of that ice melted over the last three years.

        Startling new discovery,
        explosive growth,
        melted over the last three years are very alarming words. Words that conflict and contradict each other.

        A new low for NASA.

        It really is time an independent audit team to review NASA and NOAA data collection, data handling, data storage and maintenance and data presentation.

    • Replete with the usual weasel words. This is now a mental illness, fear of the future on steroids. People who need to make the rent aren’t up at night worrying about this, trust me.

      Nor are the owners, apparently, of hi-rise hotels and condos on the edge of the sand in Miami.

  2. So what the heck has this glacier doing what glaciers do got to do with global warming. Certainly the temperature in the “big hole” is not above freezing. Or is the evil molecule CO2 sneaking in and warm it all up?

    • Considering the Thwaites Glacier Terminus is right over the Antarctic Geologic hot spot, I would say probably very little.

    • Glacier melting and hurricanes never happened before. That’s why we have such a difficult time finding gold laden galleons on the ocean floor.

      • Sarc>
        The gold laden galleons are only there due to the terrible English pirates sinking them and being some of the first to start global warming by burning carbon to launch their cannonballs.

  3. Last week NPR (that vaunted source of unbiased propaganda) was running a daily report from a from researchers on a ship currently studying the Thwaites Glacier. The reports were made as they steamed along the front of the glacier. Their final report was that the glacier was growing in size once again.

    • Funny how studying such things always requires lots of fossil fuel to be burned, making them all flaming hypocrites for then telling the world to slow down on fossil fuels, but of course they all hold lofty stations in life and can preach to the little people. I bet they also used a helicopter for the study.

    • I bet it wasn’t “steaming along”, more likely “chugging along” on it’s diesel-powered engines. Pity they couldn’t have used some of those solar-powered ships to do their research. At least the Russians got that right – nuclear-powered icebreakers at least leave the Arctic more pristine than their diesel cousins.

  4. It looks like VERY dangerous idiots now run the show in a lot of western governments like in The Netherlands.

    ‘The government’s plans to tackle climate change may be falling apart because of disagreements about the introduction of a carbon tax, the AD said on Wednesday.

    The Labour party and GroenLinks say the reported proposals for a carbon tax do not go far enough and that the government is now backtracking on earlier commitments.

    The Dutch employers organisation VNO-NCW have written to the government urging it to ditch the carbon tax plans altogether. It fears heavy industry may relocate out of the Netherlands if the proposal goes ahead.

    Employers are also concerned that both company and home owners will be faced with huge bills for improving the energy efficiency of their premises when the use of gas is phased out. They put the cost per house at €60,000.’

  5. Well it would appear from Chicken Littles proclamation there is no need for our typical knee jerk over-reaction. Given the hobgoblin hot topic here, there is absolutely nothing our Government or any collection of Governments can do to reverse this, by their own admission.

    Everybody gather up your belongs, load them into your CO2 belching motor vehicles and move to a point 2 feet higher than current sea level.

    Assuming, that is, you are interested in beach front property, otherwise it is advised that you keep moving inland a “smidge” further.

  6. To the millions of people that will be flooded out of their homes, I invite them to buy land in northern Canada because our Liberal gov’t has decreed that Canada is warming up MUCH< MUCH faster than the rest of the world. We will soon be the next paradise on earth …….. as soon as all the snow melts and the polar bears migrate to Antarctica. (if IT is not all melted).

    • Sounds like I could make some $$$ as a property developer by selling tundra futures to unwitting gullibles.

    • Just don’t crowd me and my sweet baboo, Rachel Maddow, after we’ve moved to our new seaside homestead on the sunny slopes of Mount Vinson, once all the ice is melted AND after I convince her that she loves men after all, generally, and me, specifically. And also I’ll need to convince her that it is her obligation to be the mother of future generations in order to restart the whole durn shootin’ match of human civilization. Living with my sweet baboo, Rachel, will be paradise. And because there will be no electricity or TV, she won’t scowl quite as much as she does when she’s on TV now, meaning she won’t get wrinkles on her face, and she’ll look young again, like before Donald Trump was president. , I’m so excited about this, that I’ve been eating nothing but hamburgers and I bought a huge Ford F350, to try to emit CO2 like crazy in order to hurry the day of my future happiness. Suck on that, Eric Holthaus.

      /(ya maybe think sarc?)

  7. Well the, I suspect the U.N. will quickly be relocating from the headquarters in Manhattan given that it is only 100 feet from the East River and only a few feet above sea level…..never mind that they recently spent billions renovating that building recently. You would think if they believed their own hubris, they would have abandoned it years ago and moved to higher ground.

    • We need a ” in 1980 the UN headquarters in New York was 50 feet above sealevel and after 40 years of GLO-BULL warming and sea level rise the UN headquarters is only 50 feet above sealevel” measurement. Only 12 years until the sky falls for real!!

    • A
      Nd, Trump will buy it at a great price, and turn it into useful office space, hotel and conference venue. Or, perhaps, a Renaissance combat dinner theatre…

      • Some years ago there was a great discussion thread about what to do with the abandoned UN buildings. (I can’t remember if it was Brietbart of WUWT.) The most popular answer was “target practice”.

    • Or the rest of the world for that matter. Only Western industrial countries are committing CO2 suicide. And that’s the plan. The MSM can’t hide that fact forever…. although they’ve done a good job of it so far.

  8. “West Antarctic Glacier is Unstoppable!”

    I tried to stop a glacier once, pushed and pushed, even asked a couple tourists from Indiana for help, they declined. Couldn’t stop the thing at all, came back two months later, it had advanced a whole 23 inches. For those keeping score that’s 0.0000002521 mph.

  9. It’s been “unstoppable” since the end of the Pleistocene…

    The history of deglaciation of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) gives clues about its future. Southward grounding-line migration was dated past three locations in the Ross Sea Embayment. Results indicate that most recession occurred during the middle to late Holocene in the absence of substantial sea level or climate forcing. Current grounding-line retreat may reflect ongoing ice recession that has been under way since the early Holocene. If so, the WAIS could continue to retreat even in the absence of further external forcing…

    The collapse (retreat of the grounding line) began about 20,000 years ago. It is irreversible because “the WAIS could continue to retreat even in the absence of further external forcing” and there are no topographic obstacles to prevent it from flowing downhill into the ocean.

    One has to wonder why this paper didn’t merit panic-stricken headlines in 1999.


    H. Conway et al, 1999. Past and Future Grounding-Line Retreat of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. Science 8 October 1999: Vol. 286 no. 5438 pp. 280-283

    DOI: 10.1126/science.286.5438.280


    The history of deglaciation of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) gives clues about its future. Southward grounding-line migration was dated past three locations in the Ross Sea Embayment. Results indicate that most recession occurred during the middle to late Holocene in the absence of substantial sea level or climate forcing. Current grounding-line retreat may reflect ongoing ice recession that has been under way since the early Holocene. If so, the WAIS could continue to retreat even in the absence of further external forcing.

  10. “The glacier holds two feet of sea level but, more importantly, it is the “backstop” for four other glaciers which holds an additional 10-13 feet of sea level rise.”

    “… glacier holds two feet of sea level but…” What astonished me is not the birdbrained assumptions, but the absolutely dumb, dimwitted, uninformed information being provided here, for the sole purpose of scaring the bejiisus out of people. The glacier holds two feet of sea level WHAT?”?”? nitwit? What are you referring to? Is it bourbon and branch water? Cracker crumbs? The cartons of Snickers ice cream bars that you’re going to have to buy now, so as to avoid starvation later? Have you thought of moving to Mars, where the only available water (so far) is far less than adequate to support life????

    That is the worst piece of crap prose I’ve seen in a long time, and if it’s someone at NASA who cranked out that twaddle, s/he/it should be shown the door. It is absolutely awful, incorrect, and inaccurate. And that bit about Thwaite glacier NOT being attached to the bedrock below the surface?? It’s been known for a couple of decades NOW that most of those glaciers are NOT attached to anything, and that, in fact, they float on the surface and grind chunks off their undersides, which helps them slide into the sea. They are supposed to calve. It is part of a natural process that takes pressure off the tail of the glacier further inland. The square footage mentioned is hardly something to even worry about.

    And in regard to that blurb from NASA, a meter is 3.3 feet, not 3 feet, so a measurement of 1000 feet of ice is NOT 300 meters at all. It is, in fact, 303.0303 meters. Rounding it off is inaccurate.

    I want my tax money back from these bozos.

  11. Alarmists act like the ocean water is now hot. SST may have increased by 0.35°C(?). That is not something that will have any significant impact on melting glaciers.

    • To add to my last post; Use of terms like “collapse” when talking about a multi century process is truly disingenuous. The term is intended to miscommunicate, causing more Alarm than is justified.

      Words and Communication are tools to allow understanding. When words are selected with the intention of creating misunderstanding, we may as well just stop using them. Somehow our society is devolving.

      • “collapse” when talking about a multi century process is truly disingenuous. The term is intended to miscommunicate,

        I tend to agree, but . . .
        Not sure about the last bit, not being aware of the writer’s mind.
        However, the concept of “Deep time” (also: geologic time) has been internalized
        with some branches of science. The following is from Wikipedia:
        Physicist Gregory Benford addresses the concept in Deep Time: How Humanity Communicates Across Millennia (1999), as does paleontologist and Nature editor Henry Gee in In Search of Deep Time: Beyond the Fossil Record to a New History of Life (2001)[10][11] Stephen Jay Gould’s Time’s Arrow, Time’s Cycle (1987) also deals in large part with the evolution of the concept.
        John McPhee discussed “deep time” at length with the layperson in mind in Basin and Range (1981), parts of which originally appeared in the New Yorker magazine.[12] In Time’s Arrow, Time’s Cycle, Gould cited one of the metaphors McPhee used in explaining the concept of deep time:
        Consider the Earth’s history as the old measure of the English yard, the distance from the King’s nose to the tip of his outstretched hand. One stroke of a nail file on his middle finger erases human history.[12]

        In the “Deep Time” sense, if something goes in 10,000 years the term “collapse” can seem appropriate.

      • Jeff, are you not aware that in this Post-Truth world words mean what the speaker/writer intends them to mean. Creating understanding is not the objective of words in the Post-Truth world. What is their objective, I shudder to think.

      • The second quote:

        “We conclude that this sector of West Antarctica is undergoing a marine ice sheet instability that will significantly contribute to sea level rise in decades to centuries to come.”

        I think the IPCC would call this “robust”!!! (with three exclamation marks!).

  12. I looked at the original article and the comment was that the Thwaites is not attached to base rock.
    This to liberals is the fearsome thing.
    But to realists and if it is the case, it means the glacier is mainly floating.
    Displacing an amount of sea water equivalent to 9/10s of the ice.
    Already yet.
    90 percent of the imagined threat is in the sea levels now.

    • Hi Bob – Archimedes he say “If the glacier is mainly floating – the effect on sea level will be neglible”

      cheers edi

    • Put some cold water into a large drinking glass. Measure the depth from top to bottom. Add some ice cubes to it. Measure the depth again. Then when the ice cubes have melted into water, measure it again.

      The additional volume of melted water is so negligible, that it’s nearly invisible. If the oceans have a chunk of ice calved into them by a glacier, it is comparable to the same thing. Every time – every confounded time!!! – an Antarctic glacier breaks off or calves, the media go into a feeding frenzy about it, because it’s the size of Rhode Island or Manhattan or my clothes closet and we’re all DOOMED!!! DOOMED!!! I tell you!!!

      They do NOT have anything intelligent to say so they make stuff up. When there’s no drowning of Manhattan, they try something else.

      Well, Florida used to be four times the size it is now, before this warming period started. It was covered with NOT tropical woodlands. It’s going happen again, and the Keys won’t be islands any more. That’s more likely to happen in our lifetimes than an iceberg the size of Manhattan doing anything to damage any coastlines anywhere.

      I still want my tax money back from those dorks at NASA who put this stuff out as announcements.

  13. Looks like the left, i.e. the dems are going all in on scaring people (scarring them even) with the weather for a possible GND platform in 2020. Hello kids – what and who they’re trying to to dupe you into voting for is far scarier than the weather, or the climate even.

    Skiing on the Pennines today my UK friends ??

  14. I love Anthony’s very few last few sentences – and that is exactly why we can all just sit back and laugh heartily at it all. After all, humankind only stands to lose a bit of money from all this alarm (i.e. if governments take it seriously and start wasting trillions of dollars “preparing” for the disasters about to happen) – and wasting a bit of money does not really matter that much. Sit back and enjoy the circus. Laugh out loud.

  15. Loss of West Antarctica Ice Shield has been predicted long long time ago: in 1978 Mercer’s paper in Nature magazine. His estimates was 50 years for WAIS to disintegrate. Now, 50 years are almost gone; does false prediction affect his career?

  16. I’m having trouble visualizing how a floating glacier the size of Florida is going to raise sea level by 2 feet.

    The total surface area of the oceans are: 138,996,777 sq.mi. The total land area of FL is: 54,136 sq.mi. 138,996,777/54,136 = 2,567 “Florida’s” cover the surface area of the oceans. 2,567x2ft=5,135ft. So I am being told that the floating glacier is 5,135 ft. thick/deep? The glacier is a uniform 1 mile thick?

    I don’t think so. What am I missing ?

    • Kenji, if it is already floating, it is not going to raise sea level because it is already displacing as much water as its weight. Archimedes, remember?

      • Of course. So how do the Chicken Littles reason this “Florida-sized” (I also read it was “England-sized”) glacier is going to drown $850 Trillion in beachfront properties?

    • Kenji,

      Couple rough figures for back-o’-the-envelope calculations. Glacial ice, pure water, and salt water have slightly different densities, but if you don’t have all the specific info at hand, a useful approximation is that 1 km3 of ice is approximately equal to 1 gigatonne (Gt). it takes 361.8 Gt of ice (melted) to raise global sea level by 1 mm. this is equivalent to a glacial volume of approximately 361.8 km3 (394.7 km3, if you adjust for density differences).

      Anyway, forget the number of “Floridas.” If you estimate the volume of the glacier (km3) and divide it by 362 (envelope) or 394.7 (density adjusted), AND assume it’s not floating, this will give you the estimated sea level rise. If it is floating, see other comments.

      • Thank you. As you can tell, I am a ‘visual thinker’ so, area and volume are the terms I use. But of course density matters. So much for my layman approach

  17. Radio Eco Shock ? What next – Radio Eco Deranged ? These people need to take stronger medication and are in need of serious help.

  18. I realized they were talking about playing video games after this part of the press release:

    “The simulations indicate that early-stage collapse has begun,”

    So not a true observational scientific report.

    Furthermore they are making wild speculation based off completely new data and again hubristically thinking they understand all the input and output vectors.

    How wrong were most of the world’s planetary scientists with regards to Pluto?

  19. Oh, I thought calling another vote in the Senate on the Green New Deal for all to see was the most terrifying thing.

  20. Liberals terrified by an assortment of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary and all of them created by liberals.

  21. Well, there are precious few ‘liberals’ out there anymore – they are now militant ‘progressives’.

    And if you REALLY want to scare them, show them a mirror – most of the things they despise are their own personality traits projected on others.

  22. I implore all the climate’s saviors to go there as soon as possible and try to stop this terrifying glacier:

    – Do not forget to take (eco-produced) picks, saws, hammers, nails and some beams !

  23. Interesting. So there are strawman arguments used for attack purposes and hobgoblin arguments use to keep sufficient terror levels in a defensive move. Is this like advanced climate psychology weapons class?

  24. Last decade was about Arctic melting, because Antarctica wasn´t melting.
    Next decade will be about Antarctic melting, because the Arctic stopped melting.

    (Ok, maybe the dates are a bit off, but you get the point)

    • About right. Arctic sea-ice stopped shrinking in 2007, and the Greenland ice-sheet did the same in 2012.

      This means that it is getting hard to hide any longer.

  25. Do note that this entire scare is based on the phrase, “Simulations indicate…” Nothing about observations (which, it would appear, directly contradict the “simulations” but – hey! – what have FACTS got to do withis, eh?).

  26. I just love that I don’t even have to pay for climate porn!

    Just like any other kind of porn, though, it’s unrealistic and never happens in the real world…

    • Oops I just realized they ARE making me pay, whether I want the climate porn or not!

      Now I’m really mad!

        • I cannot honestly imagine how bad it would be if created by any government. Just considering the concept would be enough to put anyone off, so I guess it would probably help anyone with an addiction.

  27. Actually Thwaites glacier and the rest of the WAIS is not floating, it is resting on rock as other glaciers, but those rocks are often below sea level. It is this that makes the WAIS potentially unstable (if a number of other conditions are also right).

    However this means that if the WAIS collapses much of the meltwater will be needed to fill out the space where the ice was, particularly as seawater is about 12 % denser than glacier ice.

    The end result is that the maximum possible collapse of the entire WAIS can only raise the sea-level about 11 feet. Of course this will take millennia, ice flows pretty slowly.

    The further conditions needed to make a glacier unstable is:

    1. The depth of the sea at the glacier front must be >90% of the thickness of the ice
    2. The depth to bedrock must increase up-glacier (=the ground must slope downwards going away from the coast)
    3. This slope must be steeper than the increase in thickness of the glacier
    4. There must be no thresholds or pinning-points up-glacier

    As you might imagine it is not easy finding a glacier that satisfies all these conditions, Thwaites Glacier is the current favorite, but even that is doubtful. Recent measurement shows that the bedrock under it is rising extremely fast as the ice-load decreases, so it might well be self-pinning. This fast isostatic adjustment is due to Thwaites lying on top of a volcanic hot-spot with an unusually low-viscosity mantle. The phenomenon has been noted before on Iceland where the complete isostatic adjustment at the end of the ice-age only took about a thousand years, while it is still going on after 12,000 years in Canada and Scandinavia which are Precambrian shield areas with high-viscosity mantle.

    • “Actually Thwaites glacier and the rest of the WAIS is not floating, it is resting on rock as other glaciers, but those rocks are often below sea level.”

      I think they are talking about a cavern at the bottom of the glacier. I wish I knew where on Thwaites that is. There is another glacier south of Thwaites (can’t remember the name at the moment) that has a 200 m (I think) tall cavern beneath it, and there is currently, or was just recently, an expedition exploring that cavern with submersible drones.

  28. So is the Ice Age that we are supposedly still in, officially over? Did we just end the regular and enormous ice sheet expansions? This appears to have been determined by comparing 30 years or 100 years of temperature data with glacial patterns that last over 100,000 years?

  29. One reason I enjoy coming to this site is to be directed by the erudite and astute who post here toward interesting science. The various articles concerning the WAIS are a prime example of this. The 1968 contribution by Mercer regarding “Antarctic ice and Sangamon sea level” is a solid piece of earth science in the old form where an argument was carefully framed based on observational evidence. His 1978 article in Nature was marred by the prediction that atmospheric CO2 levels would double in 50 years (double the 1978 level of 350ppm to something like 700ppm in 2028) which would lead to the collapse of WAIS. Thence to the sorry Nature editorial from 2018 giving him credit for raising the alarm about WAIS catastrophic collapse–thus conflating a true crisis with a mere caution about something that could happen over several centuries at some unknown point in the future, and never mentioning the varied misleading evidence and misdirection.

  30. I wonder where the climastrologists and glaciologists think glacial melt water from the volcanic heat flux beneath Thwaites and the other glaciers is going. Or don’t they think about such things?

  31. Did you read the part where the Penn State guy is going to take a ton of explosives, drill holes in the “cork” (their formulation, not mine) leading edge of the glacier, then let off explosions, just like mining a quarry of marble? These aren’t scientists. They don’t deserve public funding. They’re terrorists.

    That’s the plot from “State of Fear”. This Indian scut is using the plot from State Of Fear to try and induce a glacier collapse.

    I’ll bet you money they did the same procedure to Larsen B.

    • It wouldn’t matter. They can blast all they like and there will be no catastrophic collapse. It’s purely theoretical.

    • If it’s cold enough to be ice now, blowing it up won’t turn it into water, just ice cubes.

  32. I invite you to come to my little town in Maine, where we deal with 10 feet of sea level rise on a daily basis. Mitigation technology exists, particularly if you have 100 years to solve the daily increase we experience.

  33. Any observed change is presented as somehow proof of AGW.

    It is interesting that the actual observed changes in Southern high latitudes are not in agreement with the climate simulations and are not unusual compared to the paleoclimatic record.

    Assessing recent trends in high-latitude Southern Hemisphere surface climate

    Over the 36-year satellite era, significant linear trends in annual mean sea-ice extent, surface temperature and sea-level pressure are superimposed on large interannual to decadal variability.
    Most observed trends, however, are not unusual when compared with Antarctic palaeoclimate records of the past two centuries.
    With the exception of the positive trend in the Southern Annular Mode, climate model simulations that include anthropogenic forcing are not compatible with the observed trends.
    This suggests that natural variability overwhelms the forced response in the observations, but the models may not fully represent this natural variability or may overestimate the magnitude of the forced response.

  34. IF, and that is a big IF, this glacier system is unstable, then do these people propose that they can assign a cause and effect relationship for that instability to anthropogenic CO2?

    I mean, can they say CO2 is responsible rather than the end of the last glaciation (that’s rhetorical, I know they can’t)?

    Even if CO2 were responsible can they do anything about it (rhetorical again, no they can’t)?

    Chicken Little must either run or adapt.

  35. It is already displacing its own mass in magma, nothing is going to happen.


  36. I remember as a child the same West Antarctic ice sheet collapse scenario touted at primary school 45 years ago. Boy that called wolf stuff.

  37. Interviewer:
    Can you please develop how your bartender experience of serving whiskey on the rocks qualifies as “degree in iceberg climatology” ?

  38. If you post stuff like this, you are declaring climate skepticism a political opinion, not a scientific one.

    There is no reason why the science should be more obvious to one side of the political spectrum than the other.

    • Ah, the paycheck dilemma.

      Liberals and co. plan to get worldwide momentum on what tenured scientists establish.

      No warming, no tenure. That’s precisely how politics steps into the trade.

    • There is no reason why the science should be more obvious to one side of the political spectrum than the other.

      There is when one side isn’t doing science to reach their conclusions.

    • Grift – your ‘declaring’ anything does not make it so.

      That’s another trick used by your type – false definitions and equivalency.

      See, what’s REALLY the case is that WARMISM is the political position – and they prove it every single day. This article is just one example.

  39. Larry Kummer [ sic! ]

    are you “bekummert” maybe the world doesn’t hold space for a floating “glacier the size of Florida“.

    No Angst, no Kummer – who needs such a small world. Anyway.

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