Claim: Climate Denial is “Malign and Evil”

Mary Robinson (5 mei-lezer 2014)
Mary Robinson (5 mei-lezer 2014). By Nationaal Comité 4 en 5 mei, Attribution, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to “The Elders” Chair Mary Robinson, anyone who disagrees with her views on climate change is evil.

Climate change denial is evil, says Mary Robinson

Damian Carrington, Environment editor
Tue 26 Mar 2019 17.30 AEDT

Exclusive: chair of Elders group also says fossil fuel firms have lost their social licence

The denial of climate change is not just ignorant, but “malign and evil”, according to Mary Robinson, because it denies the human rights of the most vulnerable people on the planet.

The former UN high commissioner for human rights and special envoy for climate change also says fossil fuel companies have lost their social licence to explore for more coal, oil and gas and must switch to become part of the transition to clean energy.

Robinson will make the outspoken attack on Tuesday, in a speech to the Royal Botanical Gardens at Kew in London, which has awarded her the Kew International Medal for her “integral work on climate justice”.

The evidence about the effects of climate change is incontrovertible, and the moral case for urgent action indisputable,” she will say. 

“Climate change undermines the enjoyment of the full range of human rights – from the right to life, to food, to shelter and to health. It is an injustice that the people who have contributed least to the causes of the problem suffer the worst impacts of climate change.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/26/climate-change-denial-is-evil-says-mary-robinson

The Elders” are a group of self important former United Nations leaders and other high profile international figures who seem to think you should do what you are told.

Mary Robinson stops short of saying what she thinks should be done about those “malign and evil” climate deniers, but I think we get the idea.

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176 thoughts on “Claim: Climate Denial is “Malign and Evil”

  1. Climate denial is “Malign and Evil”?

    Exploiting always-varying weather for political purposes is offensive to people with common sense.

    Regards,
    Bob

    • I must disagree with you Bob. Claiming that climate stasis ever existed is Malign and Evil. There are evil people in the world and those trying to convince everyone that the climate didn’t change until starting to change the late 1930’s are the very definition of evil. I’d buy deluded, but the active modifications to records removes it from that category.

      My current concern is that industry has been badly beaten up and in self-defense has started to produce “Environmentally Friendly” products, e.g. electric vehicles, worthless alternative solutions for problems which don’t or at least didn’t exist.

      Now at least the watermelons have broken open with the latest elected officials in the U.S. and everyone can see the interior color clearly.

      • I have to agree with Dr. Briggs. The result of the disseminating of misinformation about the potential danger of AGW results in high cost of energy and all it produces, lost opportunity to help poor people thrive, and ,in reality, lost human life that its perpetrators pretend to value. The conundrum here is how to demand of this woman and others that say the same kind of things provide evidence that human emissions have materially changed the atmospheric level of CO2 or affected the climate. We have good science by Salby and Harde and Berry that say it hasn’t and analyses by Munshi and Wallace that confirm that. Shouldn’t there be a way to require a valid response to these findings?

        • Sadly, you can not overturn religion with logic or facts.
          These high profile self important advocates of climatic doom will not be influenced by facts. They make up their own and then claim their facts are superior to the truth produced by others.
          Mary Robinson is a little person was resident of a little country, and is of little significance.
          She and the UN along with the Constantly Offended Green Socialists (COGS) obviously think differently, but in the end, reality overtakes flawed beliefs/stupidity.
          As the world cools over the coming decade these shrills determined to peddle their false beliefs, will have to embrace the truth.

          • Rod, the reason they will use for why their facts are superior will be because their facts are “For the Children” and their future.
            As to the coming cooling they will never acknowledge their deception. they will say that they were talking about climate change all along. Warming/Cooling it is all because of CO2 and that is all mans fault. Increasing atmospheric CO2 cause both don’t you know.
            Those peddling faith do not acknowledge doubt.

    • Does she not understand that claiming your opponents are “malign and evil” is the surest way to make sure it is your neck in the guillotine when your opponents finally tire of your games?

      Leftist like revolution until the other side finally feels backed into a corner and begins war in earnest. Her words will lead inevitably to war.

      • Don’t forget Robspierre felt the kiss of Madam Guillotine.

        The Moral: Revolutions always consume their own…..

        And lead to Tyranny in the end.

        • I can think of one revolution that did not consume its own, and has not led to tyranny — so far.

          • James, which revolution were you referring to? If it’s the ‘American Revolution’, one could make the case it was not a Revolution as it did not overturn the existing government, but rather, it was a war of National Liberation. Or one could also make the case it was the first American Civil War.

          • one could make the case it was not a Revolution as it did not overturn the existing government

            only if one is ignorant of history. The American revolution overturned the existing government (British rule) and established a new government (the constitution based United States).

            Or one could also make the case it was the first American Civil War

            Again, only if one is ignorant of history. The American Revolutionaries fought off the Redcoats (British soldiers, not their fellow Americans).

          • Sorry, the King of England, George III and Parliament still existed – No change of Goverment. No Revolution

            At the time, everyone was still a British subject. All Americans defying the British Crown were considered traitors and subject to hanging and execution. So British were fighting British in the eyes of the Crown and Parliament. Not until the Treaty of Paris in 1783 did the war end and Americans stopped being British.

            Also, if you maintain that Americans only fought British soldiers, you forget the 30,000 or so Hessian-Cassel mercenaries hired by KGIII to fight in North America and the thousands of Loyal Tory militias who fought alongside the British Regulars. Both not ‘Redcoats’.

            You are probably also going to contend that the Colonials won the war by picking off ‘Redcoats’ from behind trees and rock fences.

            Who’s ignorant of History?……..

          • Sorry, the King of England, George III and Parliament still existed – No change of Goverment. No Revolution

            And you are showing your ignorance of history. they were no longer the government in the now-former colonies. They were overthrown from ruling over the UNITED states. So yes, a revolution.

            Also, if you maintain that Americans only fought British soldiers, you forget the 30,000 or so Hessian-Cassel mercenaries hired by KGIII to fight in North America

            who were also NOT AMERICANS/CITIZENS of the 13 colonies that became the UNITED STATES.

            Who’s ignorant of History?……..

            That would still be *YOU*.

          • I suggest you go study some Aristotle, Tilly or Katz to understand what a revolution is.

            Until the Constitution was ratified in 1789, there was no true United States of America. Before then, the former colonies tried to govern themselves under the Articles of Confederation, but quite unsuccessfully. Hence the need for the Constitution. Until the true legal separation under occurred through the Treaty of Paris and Great Britain gave up its claim to the colonies, they were still colonies under the official, but not physical or practical, dominion of Great Britain.

            Also you said ‘Redcoats’, not non-Americans. The Hessian troops’ unform color was dark blue, not red. Their elite jaeger rifle units wore green uniforms.

          • Buckeyebob, I suggest you study the history of the AmericanREVOLUTION, you have a lot to learn (starting with the fact that it was a revolution. The people revolted from British rule and succeed in creating a new government). Blabber on all you want, you can’t alter the historical facts.

          • Also I said they “fought off the redcoats (British solders” I did not say that is *all* they had to fight off. So the fact that the British also hired mercenaries wearing a different color uniform doesn’t change the fact that they fought off redcoats IE the British forces (the British were in charge of the mercenaries, not the other way round).

      • OwningGA

        “…The denial of climate change is not just ignorant, but “malign and evil”, according to Mary Robinson…”

        Yea, fascists are inclined to think & say stuff like that. We’re probably darn lucky she didn’t send a brown-shirted mob out to beat anybody up.

    • She does an amazing job of hiding her horns.

      If the left wins and becomes all powerful, she and many others like her, are just as likely as anyone else to end up in Siberia. Many heroes of the revolution were the victims of Stalin’s various purges. The poor darling has placed herself in a lose-lose situation.

      • ‘….end up in Siberia.’ Along with journalist once they lose the freedom of the press.

    • Incontrovertible? Indisputable? Inconceivable! I don’t think the lady knows what that even means. (See “The Princess Bride) 😱

    • Might I just ask ‘Who died and made these people God?’

      Just askin’. The egomania and egocentricity are really, really disgusting.

    • The left wing two step.
      1) Dehumanize those who disagree with you.
      2) Off to the gulags with them

    • Furthermore, pushing “climate change” POLICIES is what is truly “malign and evil,” since much more human suffering will result from THAT than from all the ACTUAL warming of the climate that might ever occur.

  2. Moral obfuscation occurs when the presenter has no data. People that are visual are convinced by a graph with the x-axis is CO2, the y-axis is an undoctored climate metric, there is a least square regression line, correlation above 0.7 to show a strong correlation, and the trend shows something bad. This graph does not exist in the science of this planet at this time. As such, the arguments are based on shaman superstition where denial of their Gods is called evil. I guess the nonbelievers are just going to have to wait 12 years to see if we go to hell.

    • Moral obfuscation, …. HUH?

      Me thinks that “emotional obfuscation” better describes the mindset of Mary Robinson.

      Mary Robinson is just one more prime example of why “emotionally” biased females should not be appointed, selected or hired for positions that require critical and/or important decisions to be made that will have a direct effect on hundreds or thousands of individuals.

      Emotional driven decision making is an inherited trait of the females of most all higher animal species.

      • That’s sexist and 1920 thinking. Wake up! It’s 2019. Address a person on his/her idea or decision, not on their stereotyping gender. Moreover that approach takes away credibility from you (and your opinions).

        • That’s sexist and 1920 thinking.

          But, but, but, ….Dan the Leftwing Man, …. it is old school actual, factual science … and is one of several Inherited Survival Instincts that insures procreation and survival of the species.

          A preference for “emotional decision making” is encoded in the DNA of the females, which is the reason why they are the PRIMARY caregiver of the offspring (children).

          By the way, ….Dan the Leftwing Man, …. have you ever heard anyone say, ….. “Hell hath no fury like a man scorned”? ……. I DIDN’T THINK SO.

          A bleeding-heart liberal female in the position of POTUS or VPOTUS would be dangerous, … to say the least.

        • Shouldn’t that be “Dan the Leftwing Person”? Saying “Man” paints you as a sexist.

  3. But you can bet that she does not go a day without fossil fuels. Her ignorance is malign and evil.

    • Her hypocrisy is malign and evil too. Reading about her made me feel sick. Don’t anyone be virtuous around me anymore, I’ll probably throw up all over you

    • It is that “okay for me but not for thee” mentality that sticks out like a sore thumb.

      If only there were some way to rub her pointy little nose in her own hypocrisy….. What? I can dream, can’t I?

  4. Usually people making the ‘evil’ accusation have a religious view they are espousing. So, thanks for helping us see where you views are coming from Mary.

  5. The thing with calling something “evil” is that it give you license to do whatever it takes to stamp it out. Evil must be crushed without mercy or second thoughts. It deserves not due process nor fair play for it is without any redeeming qualities or moral value. How much evil has been done in the guise of opposing evil, I wonder?

  6. Notice how it is starting to morph from “climate change” to just “climate”. It first changed from global warming to climate change, but lately I’ve noticed most of the references are no longer to “climate change deniers” but are now just “climate deniers”.

  7. We are in the midst of a developing global authoritarianism supported by those who believe that the best intentions inevitably imply that the ends justify the means.
    That is the belief that underpins every politically initiated human disaster in history.
    That belief justifies lies and the perversion of data for a greater good.
    But the greater good is defined by an ignorant elite.
    It can arise from either the political Left or the political Right but in the end the outcome is the same.
    The only system that has ever reduced the risk of such developments is Parliamentary Democracy supported by a Rule of Law in individual sovereign states freely competing economically rather than militarily.
    Thus, to succeed, they must dismantle all those factors piece by piece until they gain absolute power.
    That is what we , the people, are up against and it is going to be difficult to win without emulating the ruthlessness and self deception of those arraigned against us.
    But we must try.

    • Stephen Wilde

      The only system that has ever reduced the risk of such developments is Parliamentary Democracy supported by a Rule of Law in individual sovereign states freely competing economically rather than militarily.

      That’s not going so well in the cradle of Parliamentary democracy right now, the UK.

      We may well be weeks (if not a mere 3 days) away from the will of the people being overturned by Parliament over Brexit.

      And scoff you may, but this affects the rest of the Democratic free world. If parliamentary Democracy fails in the UK over this trivial event (leaving a trading block of countries) what happens to your Democracy, in your country, when faced with a more challenging situation? “British Parliament got away with ignoring the electorate, why won’t we?

      If people in the civilised, Democratic, free world don’t write to their leaders and express their concern over Parliaments raid on British Democracy, then it may well be coming to a country near you soon, in fact probably yours.

      And yes, we truly believed this would never happen to us.

      • The Democrats are already ignoring democracy in my country. They refuse to accept a free election, are harassing the legally elected president, they refuse to enforce any laws they do not like, and ignore federal laws as they feel like. They are acting like they come from some third-world nation where rule of law is optional.

        I wish the UK the best…I hope you escape from the elitist bureaucrats in the EU, but they’ll make it as painful as they possibly can – a free and independent man (or nation) must be made to PAY for their heresy.

        • Nothing new. Happened all the time and will happen in future. So many people vote for party x because they will do y. Then in power they do the opposite what they promised. Referendums actually are the real problem for parliamentary democracy. It doesn’t fit unless you change your parliamentary system to a Swiss like set up.

        • Robert, you framed it accurately, I am sad to say.
          The democrat party is basically leading a rebellion against the people of the United States.

      • You may have to take to the streets, HotScot.

        Recall these words, written by Englishmen (at the time): “…to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, …

        “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. (my bold)”

        It seems to me that the British have indeed suffered a train of abuses and usurpations, [that] evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism.

        You in the UK have reached the state that your government has become destructive to your freedom. Time to throw it off.

        • And that is exactly what the government of occupation (nicely put by a Londoner) is preparing for with Operation Yellowhammer.
          No joke, documented since a leak in Sep. Definitely not named after that little yellow bird, rather to hammer any kind of possible Yellow Vest activity over Brexit.
          Looks like a carbon copy of Macron’s Operation Sentinelle now in force.

          Not to be naive about it, an’ all that.

    • She is an evil old biddy, and the more terrifying because she’d convinced it’s for our own good.

      As C.S. Lewis put it:

      “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

      • Thanks for the C.S. Lewis quote, D.J.

        “omnipotent moral busybodies”

        I love that phrase!

        That’s just what they are, except they are really *immoral* busybodies.

        • Robert A. Heinlein’s take, from “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”:

          Thing that got me was not her list of things she hated, since she was obviously crazy as a Cyborg, but fact that always somebody agreed with her prohibitions. Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws — always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because not one of those people said: “Please pass this so that I won’t be able to do something I know I should stop.” Nyet, tovarishchee, was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them “for their own good” — not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it.

          • From another Heinlein book, I believe it was “Outpost on Jupiter”, not an exact quote:

            The purpose of government is to protect men from each other. When your government decides to protect you from yourself, it’s time to get a new government.

  8. This!? is what the “atheists” have replaced God with? … their own fine tuned godless morality!? Will Mary be the one tossing virgin Deniers into the Co2-spewing volcano? Not if Indiana Jones shows up … aka deplorable flyover country bumpkin VOTERS … who, last I checked … are STILL the final remedy for crazed sex poodle eco-atheists like ‘Mary and the Elders’. Sounds like a great name for my post-punk, Jazz-fusion, Math rock combo. We sound a bit like Pinback.

        • George Carlin did speculate that man was put on this earth to provide it with plastic, something earth wanted but could not produce on its own. Presumably, once man’s purpose was completed, man could go on its merry way to self-induced oblivion; the earth itself would be fine no matter what man did to destroy it.

          The purpose of life is, in fact, not 42; it is plastic. [I’ll continue to make that distinction in future communications.]

    • Hans: As with “warming”, “climate denial” can be anything you want or need it to be. It is very flexible. Pick the people you don’t like, the yell at them.

      Defining “evil” defines the license to root it out. It is much easier to shout than to show.

      Insist on consultation. Insist. Be resolute. No more movement without consultation.

    • Denial: you disagreeing with the alarmist.

      Alarmism: climate change (also known as greenhouse gases and global warming) is a grave threat to the humankind which faces possible extinction due to drought, floods, hurricanes, sea level rise and more. The warming is going to be huge if we continue doing nothing.

      Luckily there is still some time if we use draconian measures and fundamentally change the market-oriented economical system. We may also need to change the very fundaments of the democratic system.

      Oh, and adaptation is not possible. We need to put all effort into mitigation. People who want to adapt are deniers. There are deniers everywhere. But, it is important to remember 97% of scientists are *not* deniers. Deniers are a completely meaningless bunch of people, who only get so much publicity and power through oil companies paying bribes to politicians. We need to stop the false balance, deniers don’t need any publicity.

      Together:
      +10..+12C before 2100!
      RCP8.5!
      Up to six metres!
      Run-away global warming!
      Extinction rebellion, WWF, Greenpeace, Friends of Earth!
      Floods!
      Wildfires!
      Refugees!
      Drought!
      Revolution!

  9. One offence that can still be a capital crime is stupidity and Mary Mary quite contrary is getting close to it
    What were the highheidyins at the Royal Botanical Society thinking when they gave Mary a gong? Must have been smoking their exotic plants or funghi. No worse that the Royal Society or the Geolsoc for an alarmist takeover unfortunately

    • Another example of projection.
      These people always do a better job of describing themselves.

    • One would have to deny weather on a daily basis, if one is to be (over 30+ years) a climate denier. The term is just a slogan invented to malign those who question the motives of the Klimatariat and their self-righteous movement to scuttle capitalism.

  10. Lack of plentiful, cheap energy undermines the enjoyment of the full range of human rights – from the right to life, to food, to shelter and to health. It is an injustice that the people who have contributed the most to the betterment of mankind suffer the worst assaults on their character from climate change alarmists.

    There – fixed it for you.

    • I still want my game show where every contestant gets their own personal “Carbon Nazi” who brusquely relieves them of everything that is produced with the use of, or contains components or byproducts of, fossil fuels. After they get stripped naked and made to chase their next meal with a stick they sharpened on a rock, the rest of us can be (disgusted, until they secure enough animal skins to cover the hideous nakedness, for the most part – and THEN) entertained watching their “vision” being realized.

      Of course, the contestants will ALL be from the Climate Fascist camp, and Ms. Robinson has definitely qualified as a contestant!

  11. Demagoguery / ad hominem are all that’s left when rational arguments for a weak position fail.

  12. To paraphrase the saying from I think the USA Constitution, “Such things are self evidence”. Well to persons such as myself “Not so” As Det. Friday said, “”Give me the facts Maam,””.

    And what is a “” Social licence”” ? They the Warmers love making up new words.

    So more real facts Mary, and far les of the Faith stuff.

    MJE VK5ELL

    • “Social License” is where (formerly) private companies are run by Social Justice Warriors. That seems even worse than old fashioned socialism. It is government by mob rule.

    • I was puzzling about the companies ‘social license’ too. I always thought their license was to provide energy when and where needed, Socially that is what needs to be done – they do it – they get paid. They don’t do it, they DON’T get paid. Not hard to figure out – except for Mary I guess.

  13. Starving people to death is pure evil, and leftists are expert projectionists.

    These were the bad projects. As you might see the bottom of the list was climate change. This offends a lot of people, and that’s probably one of the things where people will say I shouldn’t come back, either. And I’d like to talk about that, because that’s really curious. Why is it it came up? And I’ll actually also try to get back to this because it’s probably one of the things that we’ll disagree with on the list that you wrote down.

    The reason why they came up with saying that Kyoto — or doing something more than Kyoto — is a bad deal is simply because it’s very inefficient. It’s not saying that global warming is not happening. It’s not saying that it’s not a big problem. But it’s saying that what we can do about it is very little, at a very high cost. What they basically show us, the average of all macroeconomic models, is that Kyoto, if everyone agreed, would cost about 150 billion dollars a year. That’s a substantial amount of money. That’s two to three times the global development aid that we give the Third World every year. Yet it would do very little good. All models show it will postpone warming for about six years in 2100. So the guy in Bangladesh who gets a flood in 2100 can wait until 2106. Which is a little good, but not very much good. So the idea here really is to say, well, we’ve spent a lot of money doing a little good.

    And just to give you a sense of reference, the U.N. actually estimate that for half that amount, for about 75 billion dollars a year, we could solve all major basic problems in the world. We could give clean drinking water, sanitation, basic healthcare and education to every single human being on the planet. So we have to ask ourselves, do we want to spend twice the amount on doing very little good? Or half the amount on doing an amazing amount of good? And that is really why it becomes a bad project. It’s not to say that if we had all the money in the world, we wouldn’t want to do it. But it’s to say, when we don’t, it’s just simply not our first priority.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/bjorn_lomborg_sets_global_priorities/transcript?language=en

    • “So the guy in Bangladesh who gets a flood in 2100 can wait until 2106. Which is a little good, but not very much good. “…..!’
      Hmmm, maybe that 150 billion dollars could be used to help that ” guy in Bangladesh” to MOVE ?

      • As George Carlin’s “Hippy Dippy Weather Man” used to say, “And remember, if you don’t like the weather, MOVE!”

  14. “The evidence about the effects of climate change is incontrovertible, and the moral case for urgent action indisputable,”
    Another example of the Illusory Truth Effect. (AKA the Humpty Dumpty Effect – anything I say 3 times is true).

  15. Life imitates Theater.

    Mary Robinson is the real world incarnation of Dolores Umbridge of the Harry Potter books.
    https://i.postimg.cc/PrBjFCNt/Screen-Shot-2019-03-26-at-2-39-53-PM.png

    “Dolores has what amounts to a phobia of beings that are not quite, or wholly, human. Her distaste for the half-giant Hagrid, and her terror of centaurs, reveal a terror of the unknown and the wild. She is an immensely controlling person, and all who challenge her authority and world-view must, in her opinion, be punished. She actively enjoys subjugating and humiliating others, and except in their declared allegiances, there is little to choose between her and Bellatrix Lestrange.

    Dolores’s time at Hogwarts ended disastrously, because she overreached the remit Fudge had given her, stepping outside the bounds of her own authority, carried away with a fanatical sense of self-purpose. Shaken but unrepentant after a catastrophic end to her Hogwarts career, she returned to a Ministry which had been plunged into turmoil due to the return of Lord Voldemort.

    source:
    https://www.pottermore.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/dolores-umbridge

    Ms Robinson’s Climate Change alarmist belief is indeed straight out of the Ministry of Magic.

  16. I’m 1/4 Irish. Embarrassing.
    Can I get an exchange? Maybe like St. Patrick — not Irish. DNA test?
    Good grief!

  17. “The denial of climate change ”

    The set of people who deny the climate changes is virtually null.

    • “The set of people who deny the climate changes is virtually null.”

      Actually, it may be bigger than you think as it consists of all of the people who believe that the climate was perfect and unchanging until evil humans start dumping CO2 into the atmosphere like it was an open sewer.

  18. Actually, it is the Belief in manmade climate change that is not just ignorant, but malign and evil. The Climate Numptys always get things exactly backwards. Pretty amazing, that.

  19. Just ask all alarmists to do away with their cellphones as ‘scientists say’ they create a lot of CO2. Problem solved.

  20. Let me see if I’ve got this right. Mary Robinson is on the board of an organization founded by Nelson Mandela to advance “peace, justice and human rights.” The country that Mandela liberated has compromised many of those rights since his death, but even so it’s better off than the countries around it, and now swamped with refugees from countries that have no rights to speak of. One consequence of sub-Saharan Africa’s condition is that hundreds of millions of people still cook over dung fires, live on dirt floors, and lack electricity. The consequence of that is that they die in droves from indoor air pollution, malnutrition and diseases that are rare in the rest of the world.

    But if anyone thinks Africans should try to get gas, electricity, stoves, concrete, steel, and modern farming methods — all of which require fossil fuels — those people are “malign and evil.”

    What would Ms. Robinson do with such hideous malefactors — burn them at the stake? Nope; can’t do that, it would leave too large a carbon footprint. We should thank the Lord for small favors, eh?

    • “…burn them at the stake? Nope; can’t do that, it would leave too large a carbon footprint.”

      Not a problem, as each person is burned you have the government purchase the appropriate amount of CO2 offsets required to keep Gaia in balance.

  21. Woohoo! I am “Malign and Evil” now! Man, I just get better and better – or is that worse and worse?

    …“The evidence about the effects of climate change is incontrovertible, and the moral case for urgent action indisputable,”…

    The AGW evidence is thin as hell and I dispute it all the time…along with MOST of the science-educated people I know.

    The only thing that is “indisputable” is how ignorant these self-important people are. I wonder if someone asked her what a “cosmic ray” was if she could answer the question? Or how much hydrogen there is in a molecule of Carbon Dioxide? Or how about we ban Dihydrogen Oxide since it is an even more powerful greenhouse gas than Carbon Dioxide is?

    • “Or how about we ban Dihydrogen Oxide since it is an even more powerful greenhouse gas than Carbon Dioxide is?”

      Plus Dihydrogen Oxide has two evil Hydrogen atoms while Carbon Dioxide has only one evil Carbon atom so Dihydrogen Oxide is obviously twice as bad as Carbon Dioxide. We must stop the hydrogen pollution immediately before the world catches fire!

    • Isn’t it strange, though, how two very flammable elements (hydrogen and oxygen) can set off and support enormously destructive fires, but when combined as a single molecule become neutral and able to stop those very fires?

      Hmmm…. I wonder if I’m on to something here. Maybe just build walls around major cities to keep the populations from expanding and let those outside the walls fend for themselves? Why not? Outsiders like me would have plenty of fresh, clean air, water and room to garden, in addition to plentiful supplies of foodstuffs in the winter, whereas the people in those walled-up cities would have stuff like tepid, brackish recycled water and soy biscuits. 🙂

  22. Elders. Another term the loonies are trying to subvert. I have met elders in both traditional and “modern” societies who have that role because they have earned it. Some were illiterate (or claimed to be) but could not be fooled.
    The other terms they have managed to corrupt: scientific method, sustainability, resilience, adaptation.
    We are running out of synonyms.

  23. I wonder how much money Mary will get………… if we all poney up for Carbon Tax………..
    or the stupidest thing of all , Sequestration ?

  24. You don’t get to the top of any UN poles unless you are pure Marxist progressive filth.

    Hope this helps.

    Fastyr mei.

  25. “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” — Bible, KJV, Matthew 7:1

    Fortunately for Mary Robinson, she was awarded the Kew International Medal for her “integral work on climate justice”, and did not have to rise to the standard of “work with integrity on climate understanding.”

  26. A lot of people would have to work hard to rake up the type of air-miles Robinson does ever year, flying around the world telling others how their behaviour is ‘evil . But of course that is ‘different ‘ !

  27. It is worth considering that Mary Robinson might consider this post a promotional which spreads her words to people like myself who have never heard of her. There is a fine line between deciding when to protest and when to ignore.

  28. Climate science is just like the Russian collusion narrative. Not true but pushed very hard by some as a tool to push society in certain directions. It can last for years and years no matter how made up it is.

    Bring up the Russian collusion comparison with “believers” when you communicate with them because this is finally something they might understand deep down.

  29. ‘The denial of climate change is not just ignorant, but “malign and evil”, according to Mary Robinson’

    ‘Climate change’ is undefined. Denial is an odd view of the undefined. Anyway, I can translate. ‘Climate change’ is orthodoxy. People must accept orthodoxy. Failure to accept it is evil.

    ‘It denies the human rights of the most vulnerable people on the planet.’

    Too loopy to comment on.

  30. Did the lady overlook the 14,000 additional cold related deaths which occur every winter since the cost of energy shot through the roof due to the high cost of renewables? We now have solid evidence of this effect from the USA. The large reduction in the cost of gas due to fracking, was marked by a notable reduction in cold related deaths.

  31. Has anyone told Mary that the thermometers in the GHCN have been systematically moving further south for the past forty years? Even retirees know it’s warmer in that direction. Your precious data is so corrupted by such skullduggery as to render it completely unreliable. And yet, these morons continue to spout off as if they know anything.

  32. Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina can deal with St Mary’s fossil fuel phobia better than anyone:

  33. A popular Irish radio presenter often uses the expression “horse manure.” I would not use these words to describe the opinions of Mary Robinson who has served as President of Ireland. However, when I consider the hogwash she has spouted on certain subjects – outside of Irish law – that I am far more familiar with then her, I recognize a similar kind of ignorance of certain fundamentals as in her climate opinions.

  34. Malign and Evil? This sounds increasingly like some cult vocabulary.
    The funny part is that no informed person would deny climate changes…

  35. “Former UN Officials”
    I haven’t looked this list up; but I will take a wild guess that Nikki Haley is not among the membership.

  36. 3 BILLION people in the world (40%of the total population) live on less than $2.5/day ($912/year).

    Loony Leftists who deny the world’s abject poor people access to cheap fossil fuels condemn them to live in counties with no possibility of developing: an electrical grid, sewage networks, water works, paved roads, mechanized agriculture, heavy-light industry, access to advanced hospitals, formal education, etc.

    It’s loony Leftists who are “malign and evil” for perpetuating abject poverty.

  37. To be fair. I think those who disagree with me regarding the horrors of socialism are “malign and evil”.

    • Exactly. The resistance is to the one-world, totalitarian government favored by Mary Robinson. It is “malign and evil” to not accept it. The nebulous ‘climate change’ is a mere prop to get people to accept it.

    • Bolton, Pompeo likely agree with you, so that makes them saints as they dilly dally on a Venezuelan putsh?

      • It really is fascinating the lies that you eagerly believe.
        So long as either the US, bankers or jews are the bad guys.

        • So I guess that makes jewish-american bankers the ultimate evil in bonbon’s anti-semitic world. Must be tough living a life so filled with hate.

  38. “Malign and Evil”

    Certainly forcing third world countries to stay poor and die of heat waves, floods, indoor air pollution, and no electricity fits the definition of Malign and Evil.

    Third world countries are actively working hard to electrify, pave roads, build dams where needed and other “modern” coveniences” the developed world Mary Robinson lives in.

  39. If there ever is a counter revolution by the so-far silent majority, UN apparatchiks will be among the first groups to be pulled from their high horses & sent off for re-education.

  40. I see your elder and raise you an elder. Mary, you have no authority over anything or anyone with your made up titless and my chair is much more powerful because it is real and useful. So piss off!!

  41. “…and the moral case for urgent action indisputable.”

    Yeah, what does the BUSINESS CASE look like?

    • I think it’s called deflection, or something like that. “I’m not the Bad Person. You are.”

      It’s meant to distract you/us from the hidden parts, which are very unpleasant and destructive. Keep digging and bring all that bad stuff to light, and that destroys the false accusations by the false accusers.

      • Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

        This helps to explain why so many people on the left gravitate to jobs in the theater, they are all expert projectionists.

  42. Did they talk to economics Nobel laureate Nordhaus about the limited damage even 4 degrees warming would cause?

    I bet they didn!t, I smell a lew.

  43. Pensioners in Ireland used to have free coal! My Grandmother used to have a lovely little single level terraced cottage with a massive chimney, fired by coal. It was absolutely lovely sitting there in the lounge in coal fired heat.

  44. In there anything the UN is involved in, that is beneficial to humanity? I ask because from what we see being promoted, by the various aged ambassadors of that organisation, everything they advocate is counter productive and damaging to the poor peoples of the world.
    To suggest the oil based industries have done nothing but harm is about as bizarre as it gets.
    Could we suggest she uses only wind powered vessels for her world wide travels from now on. Perhaps she could also set an example as an “elder” and desist from using plastic of any kind in her daily life.
    Show us how it is beneficial to avoid oil based products Mary, we will follow your lead, lead us all by example.
    This pious outlandish nonsense from Mary Robinson, is so offensive to the educated and the scientific community in general, she along with the UN, should be changed with hate speech.

  45. She may have been triggered by the EU’s recent failure to set CO2 reduction targets for 2050 and the electoral gains of a climate-skeptic party in Holland. History is supposed to be on her side, damn it!

    She and her ilk are not the Heralds of History—that role is reserved for the Pranksters on Olympus. The Pranksters have an inhuman sense of humor when it comes to hubris. They have encouraged the hubristic (e.g., “incontrovertible,” “indisputable”) to go out on a limb, so that, when the bough breaks, they can enjoy some cosmic mirth. That’s what they live for.

    • The EU is set on a course towards zero carbon and renewables… there is no stopping it.

      They are just arguing about the details.

      • Griff,
        The EU is a totalitarian anti-scientific tyranny in the process of being born.
        Your embracing of it is duly noted.

      • “The EU is set on a course towards zero carbon and renewables… there is no stopping it. They are just arguing about the details.”

        No the issue is the speed. The EU has declined to set a time table for its goals. It doesn’t matter where the ship is pointed if the speed is Slow.

        • Indeed. not only is it slow, but the course it’s on is incapable of ever reaching it’s destination (Certainly as long as they shun nuclear). If they every got their grid anywhere close to the goal, it would collapse long before reaching it. Actually, I suppose the grid collapse is the only way they can reach a zero carbon goal – a zero carbon and zero energy grid!

    • Those Pranksters do indeed have hubris and we will enjoy some cosmic mirth as they are rounded up for an attempted coup-d’etat against an elected US President Trump.
      Trump’s Climate Commission is what is triggering these Pranksters, as the entire Russiagate stunt crumbles. Their court jester Mueller did’nt deliver – Much Ado About Nothing.

    • PS: “The denial of climate change is not just ignorant, but “malign and evil”, according to Mary Robinson”

      IOW, her opponents are Deplorables. That didn’t work the first time around, and it will only heighten push-back now.

    • “Mary Robinson is not some left wing harridan, but an independent voice”

      One of a whole herd of independent minds, aka “the good and the great,” aka “the Anointeds,” full of themselves and of a Vision for the rest of us.

    • griff, the problem is people have listened to her loud and clear. Spout nonsense such as

      The denial of climate change is not just ignorant, but “malign and evil”

      and you get the reaction it justly deserves from those who listen.

    • Don’t listen to what she says, just listen to griff. After all, griff’s mom told him he’s an expert in everything.

    • Climate scaremongering is “malign and evil”. Using children as ammunition, and destroying the minds of toddlers in the self-styled “climate consensus” culture war against capitalism is particularly evil and degenerate.

      If ever I wanted a God it’s now. Just so that I’d know those scaremongering evil doers will rot in hell for an eternity.

  46. “it denies the human rights of the most vulnerable people on the planet.”
    1.2 billion people, 17% of the world’s population remain without electricity to their homes. Over rapid transition to non-carbon fules (especially if limited to wind and solar as many ‘environmentalists’ demand) will ensure they remain without for a long time to come. Thus, they will continue to cook over open fires and the children will not have the light to do homework and improve their educational prosppects.
    Mary Robinson (who I otherwise much admire) seems indifferent, or more likely naive, to these basic human rights.

    • It is Mary Robertson and those like her that just know others are able to design, construct and operate and maintain zero CO2-producing electric power systems at costs below current systems. Likewise, they just know that others are able to design and manufacture zero CO2-producing transportation systems that have the same, if not better, human utility and at lower costs. Additionally, they just know that Western nations can provide Third World countries with zero CO2-producing electric power and transportation systems the West currently enjoys at minimal cost.

      Their problem? Neither free human beings nor free markets will do their bidding.

      Their solution? Socialism and its handmaiden, Totalitarianism.

  47. Monsters like Mary Robinson have caused the premature deaths of millions of people. In my opinion, she’s up the with lovely people like Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc.

  48. I think, as is well known, the Guardian has migrated to a full advocacy agency on environmental issues. They have no interest in accuracy or balance. Its all about pushing an ‘end of the world is nigh’ agenda, regardless of the facts. Their removal of the comment option on most Environment articles is part of this – athough I was repeatedly censored and eventually banned, simply for not following their own view of ‘truth’.

  49. Hilarious : A quick look at the Elders’ Page : How was the group formed?

    The concept originates from a conversation between the entrepreneur Richard Branson and the musician Peter Gabriel. The idea they discussed was simple: many communities look to their elders for guidance, or to help resolve disputes. In an increasingly interdependent world – a ‘global village’ – could a small, dedicated group of individuals use their collective experience and influence to help tackle some of the most pressing problems facing the world today?

    So Obama’s favorite billionaire likes the “global village” ?
    Bet they think 7.5 billion people are too much for their jolly little global village community.

    They are a joke.

    • “Bet they think 7.5 billion people are too much for their jolly little global village community.”

      Exactly. That’s how we get:

      “The EU is set on a course towards zero carbon and renewables… there is no stopping it.”

      They will have to get rid of 80% of their population to achieve. But wait . . . they are importing a replacement population!

      “They are just arguing about the details.”

      Nope. Stupid wrong. The EU is INCREASING population.

  50. Sometimes, I think these overpaid egomaniacs have no real understanding of how easily this planet can turn against us on a dime, as in start up another glacial maximum, and we’ll be back to hunting with stone-tipped spears and arrows, and Roast Beast cranked over an open fire.
    I know The They wouldn’t survive for more than brief spell, but The They would certainly want to take a bunch of people right down the tubes with Them.
    What has surprised me is how long it has taken them to admit they want to be the One Ring to Rule Us All, One Ring to Find us, One Ring to Bring US All and in the Darkness Bind us…. because Hobbits free and happy are less pleasing to the Dark Lords than Hobbits miserable and in chains.

  51. Mary Robinson once made a useful contribution to the Irish peace process. I have no knowledge of her subsequent career with the UN and other organisations. Her comments reported here suggest to me that she has already overshot her level of competence and the stupidity of these comments undermine any respect I ever had for this woman.

    If she speaks for the organisation calling itself the Elders, it calls into question its competence as well.

  52. The Elders have reality dementia.

    And that’s just a polite way of saying that they are totally off their rockers.

    Their point of view is so flawed that they might as well be declared a case of hopelessly lost souls.

    I pity the fools. [I know, it’s somebody else’s line, but here it is oh so appropriate.]

  53. I thought ‘denier’ was a measure of the opacity of feminine undergarments until I discovered Mary!

  54. Don’t start the pledge cards of the 1930s Germany again. Those don’t end well for society.

  55. This is a kind of reverse projection. One takes everything awful in one’s own head – the malign and evil – and one projects it onto those who thwart or disagree most with you.

    How many ‘consensus climate’ scientists, environment journalists, or climate wonk people spoke out against using children as ammunition in their climate culture war? None I know of. I know who the ‘evil and malign’ people are here – they’re the ones telling toddlers they have only ten years left to live.

  56. “It is an injustice that the people who have contributed least to the causes of the problem suffer the worst impacts of climate change.”

    And 1st of all

    it’s an injustice that the people who have contributed least to the causes of the problem suffer the worst impacts of “climate wars”.

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