LA Mayor Declares Allegiance to the Green New Deal, Ditches Plans to Rebuild Natural Gas Infrastructure

Mayor of Los Angeles Eric Garcetti

Mayor of Los Angeles Eric Garcetti. By Mayor of Los Angeles, photo by Emily Shur – https://www.flickr.com/photos/99292716@N06/9347606464/sizes/c/in/photostream/, CC BY 2.0, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart – Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti has thrown caution to the winds, by announcing plans to cancel a vital multi-billion dollar dollar plan to rebuild three large gas plants.

Los Angeles ditches plan to invest billions in fossil fuels, Mayor Eric Garcetti says

By SAMMY ROTH
FEB 11, 2019 | 5:35 PM

Los Angeles is abandoning a plan to spend billions of dollars rebuilding three natural gas power plants along the coast, Mayor Eric Garcetti said Monday, in a move to get the city closer to its goal of 100% renewable energy and improve air quality in highly polluted communities.

The mayor’s decision marks an abrupt change of course for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, where top staffers have argued in recent months that the gas plants are critical to keeping the lights on in the city. Environmental groups have urged DWP to replace the aging facilities with cleaner alternatives, saying the gas-fired plants need to go because they contribute to climate change and local air pollution.

Los Angeles has steadily moved away from coal for electricity, divesting from the Navajo plant in Arizona three years ago and announcing plans to stop buying power from Utah’s Intermountain plant by 2025. But with coal, the most polluting fossil fuel, now nearly removed from the city’s energy mix, it’s time to start planning for a future with zero planet-warming energy sources, Garcetti said Monday — and that means no natural gas.

It’s the right thing to do for our health. It’s the right thing to do for our Earth. It’s the right thing to do for our economy,” Garcetti said. “And now is the time to start the beginning of the end of natural gas.”

This is the Green New Deal,” he added, referring to the sweeping climate change policies championed by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y) and endorsed by several contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination. “Not in concept, not in the future, but now.

Read more: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-garcetti-los-angeles-gas-plants-20190211-story.html

Who needs power system engineers? I mean they’re all pessimists, always telling leading climate visionaries like Mayor Eric Garcetti what they can’t do, instead of embracing our inevitable green destiny, and getting on with the job of saving the world, by building the clean energy system their mayor has demanded.

Advertisements

190 thoughts on “LA Mayor Declares Allegiance to the Green New Deal, Ditches Plans to Rebuild Natural Gas Infrastructure

  1. Follow the Green Fascist Road.

    God – JUST SAID THIS. Can’t get it nationally – right away – these bastards will force it on us wherever they can.

        • Some people are congenitally incapable of learning from the mistakes of others.
          Heck, I’m not sure if they are capable of learning from their own mistakes.

          • Or ‘you can’t get a person to understand something when his job depends on him not understanding it’.

          • To Patrick MJD – there is nothing in that article blaming climate change, just the commenters expecting it.

            I lived in Penrith (to the West of Sydney for non-Ozzers) around 25 years ago when a similar event took place. Just more of the same in our sun-burned country.

          • Today, boys and girls, we will learn about Seppuku.
            Seppuku or pulling a Garcetti is the art of throwing away your life for a fairytail ideal

          • ‘Some people are congenitally incapable of learning from the mistakes of others.
            Heck, I’m not sure if they are capable of learning from their own mistakes.’

            Not when the knee-jerk response is to rationalize it away.

          • Some people MAKE no mistakes (that is, they never accept they make mistakes)…it’s all somebody else’s fault that it doesn’t work as dreamed up – not their fault.

          • “John in Oz February 13, 2019 at 1:21 am

            To Patrick MJD – there is nothing in that article blaming climate change, just the commenters expecting it.”

            Nothing in the article, certainly in the comments and the minds of those who made the comments. Aussie MSM’s job is done!

        • The UK, Australia, Germany, New Zealand etc etc etc…they are all hell bent on being the winner in the race to the bottom.

      • This could stop the flow of migrants to Southern California if it isn’t any better than Central America.

      • Will they feel the pain? Or will power grid interconnections save them? As long as they can cover their power shortfalls from other jurisdictions, everything will continue to look fine. This will quite probably encourage other cities to follow them until finally the national grid can’t keep up. Then we will all feel the pain.

        • That happened in the early 2000s and utility costs sky-rocketed. Buying power from outside sources is anything but cheap.

      • Yes they do. I live in Orange County, a formerly Red County (now Bluish) in a sea of Blue Counties here in California. I just do not understand the thought processes of our elected leaders. It is as though the office of Mayor of Los Angeles sucks out 40 IQ points from the holder of the office. The absolute amazing part is it appears that far left Governor (Gavin Newsom) is the pillar of sanity in this insane state as he is finally killing off the “High Speed Rail” union project.

  2. “Who needs power system engineers?”

    We already have industries that cannot be filled with people with the required skills. When these engineers eventually disappear who will fix the solar panels, wind turbines, battery arrays and transmission lines?

  3. Earthquakes, storms, mudslides, droughts, forest fires and now this? Good for LA. They already have brownouts. Someone tell Smiling Garcetti that due to global warming, they are in for intense record heat and people aren’t going to have air conditioning when the power goes out, especially when Nevada needs all they have to cool themselves off.

    Evidently Mr. Mayor hasn’t quite thought this thing through.

    • ‘Thought’.

      Snicker.

      I’ll bet the average progressive greenie doesn’t consider any change from fossil fuels to ‘renewable’ (double-snicker) power as anything more complicated than switching from Coke to Pepsi.

      Coupled with the blithely idiotic toss-off of ‘oh, they’ll NEVER do that – they won’t end air travel, and they’ll never tell us we can’t eat meat” – except Corey Booker just did, didn’t he?

    • I think it’s wonderful that the mayor hasn’t thought this through. I’m looking forward to hearing about brownouts and blackouts in LA. Ocasio can then go to LA and tell them how great it is to live a simple life without 24/7 electricity.
      Sarc.

      • Yeah – except I live in Oregon – and if Kate Brown isn’t just lining up to follow suit, I’ll eat my hat – which means I get to experience all the wonders of the third-world misery she intends to impose upon us.

        So – not so wonderful from my vantage.

          • But who in their right mind would buy a house in either California (that now requires solar on the house) or Oregon? Only an idiot!

          • Compulsory solar and batteries are now being considered by the Greens here in Australia with rebates on new houses (Meaning someone who can’t afford to build a house and pays tax subsidises those that can) etc etc. Additionally, the Greens propose some sort of fund so that people who rent, like I do, can have access to a solar farm for power.

            Housing is already unaffordable to most people, even for existing stock. A solar and battery package for a typical house will cost AU$10-$15k at least. So, not only do the Greens want energy to be so expensive, which it is, they want to make housing more expensive too!

          • ‘Get out before housing prices collapse.’

            I’m a renter – and just as I type this, I heard on the radio that the legislature plans to impose ‘rent-control’ state-wide.

            The level of disaster these progressive idiots are fostering staggers the imagination.

          • Joel, you’ve hit upon the solution. Just pass an LA county ordinance that mandates sufficient electricity at fair prices, and everything will just work itself out.

        • Maybe it’s a positive thing that LA welcomes all the southern newcomers from 3rd world nations. Once the GND energy plan goes into effect, they may not notice much of a change. /s
          My condolences to you native Californian’s.

        • Ah, water. I remember when we had town water pumped into every house. And you know Timmy, we could even flick a switch and the lights would come on. No wax, no matches. It was a wonderful time to be alive…

        • I live in Cape Town – and as I write this my generator is running because the power is out and my well-point is pumping ground-water.

          This is the future you face when incompetents are voted in.

          Good luck !

          • Yeah – I was talking to someone in Muizenburg this morning and Eskom shed his load! Three hrs, he said. We continued for a while on cell phone and laptop battery. Life without lithium would be difficult.

      • It is wonderful Joe. Clearly these people are not going to accommodate the truth so the sooner they suffer the consequences of their willful ignorance, the sooner they’ll be ‘flushed out’ and confronted by empirical reality!

    • The problem is they honestly think the mandate is what makes things happen.
      Whether it is no nat gas, increased fuel economy, more wind power or California next year mandating all residential be net zero energy, they think of themselves as Pharaoh saying ‘so it is written, so it shall be done’.

  4. They won’t need to decide if it’s necessary to shut down power during Santa Ana wind heat waves, load shedding will do it automatically.

  5. Might as well rename LA…..Lost Angeles. Recalls should be fun when the power doesn’t stay on during the summer.

  6. I’ll consider this an experiment for all the world to see. I guess somebody has to try it first to actually execute the idealism. Best of luck, LA.

    It seems fairly idiotic at the moment, but the proof is in the final results. I will attempt to reserve judgement, until LA falls. And if success comes, the it will be ME who is shown to be the idiot.

  7. “It’s the right thing to do “. Australia’s leftist former PM Julia Gillard used to use that phrase to justify the most horrendously stupid policies.
    Must be in the Communist Manifesto.

    • “It’s the right thing to do “.

      That’s an instance of “the [disastrous] ethic of ideal ends.” Its alternative is “the ethic of responsibility.”

  8. I think Garcetti’s tenure as L.A. mayor is going to be short-lived. We need a few cities to go down this road, just to prove how ill-conceived and anti-human these ideas are.

        • Three girls in the back of a truck is a small porta party.

          The giant porta party is the ongoing climate summit(s).

          • We’z going to party. We’z going back to Doha!

            And Paris and Bali and Rio and Kyoto and Copenhagen and Katowice and Geneva and Marrakech and Milan and Buenos Aires and Cancun and Lima and Berlin and… but we ain’t going to no Omaha. We’z not going to teleconference.

            We’z going to fly and fly til that train comes to suck us off its tracks.

  9. California to pull plug on billion-dollar bullet train, cites ballooning costs….

    ….“LA Mayor Declares Allegiance to the Green New Deal….

    Can it get any better than this?? LOL

  10. I think there is a “Hollywood, Texas”.
    Perhaps Texas should build a wall on their northwestern border?

    • And the sooner the better… they’re already being overrun with ex-pats from the PDRK (People’s Democratic Republic of Kalifornia)

      • And you would think SOME of them had learned a lesson…but nope. They either moved because they already understood the insanity and were running away from it, or moved because of a job and brought their insanity with them. We get enough of the insane ones and Texas becomes the next Kalifornia.

  11. Another crash test dummy added to South Australia and the UK. The more there are, the sooner the disastrous crash will happen.
    A stable electricity grid and green virtue signalling are mutually exclusive.

    • Rud Istvan

      I’m thinking about building a house for my retirement in Scotland, assuming the SNP have been kicked out over the next few years, if not, then the north of England.

      I will be installing the mother of diesel generators for when all this goes tit’s up.

      How insane are the SNP?

      They are considering a £2 a night hotel surcharge designated a ‘tourism tax’ in Edinburgh for all those ungrateful tourists who visit and dare to spend money in restaurants and pubs in the city supporting the local community.

      They also wax lyrical about the unspoiled Scottish countryside – where visitors can while away the hours transfixed by magnificent vista’s of static wind turbines.

      You couldn’t make it up, but the SNP can!

      • Same tax is being considered in New Zealand too to pay for clean ups etc. It’s funny because while tourists do litter, and so do NZ’ers, New Zealand IIRC is the only country in the world that litters the entire country with 1080 poison.

        • Patrick MJD
          February 12, 2019 at 6:08 pm

          We use 1080 in NZ in a very targeted way in selected parts of the country. It’s the only cost effective tool to control the plague of possums introduced from Australia that are killing our native trees and birds, including the Kiwi.

          Australia uses 1080 as well but to control dingos, feral cats and foxes…not sure if the US still uses it too.

          • Targeted in such a controlled way that traces were found the water table in the Featherston, Wairarapa area where I once lived.

    • Exactly.
      And you can throw in Germany.
      The faster these folks move toward their promised land, the better off the rest of us will be. We just have to make sure the rest of the USA hesitates while they verify the risks they are so far ignoring.

      • I am not so sure. Politicians are interested in popularity and elections are nothing more then popularity contests IMO. Once they see “going green wins me votes” they all follow like lemmings. Eventually, the “ruling class” find out the hard way that’s not always the best policy.

        • “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and then applying the wrong remedies.”
          Groucho Marx

  12. WOW! doesn’t anyone have to do a cost benefit analysis before such a policy? This is getting scary.

    • Just wait Jim, it’s coming here next.

      You know Denver runs the state, and they are hell bent on destroying it.

      Xcel just chained they will be zero carbon by 2050 🤔

      • I’m going to have to sell my Xcel shares before then. Maybe by 2030 to get a jump on the end of the world.

        • Not necessarily. One of the reasons that utilities are on the renewable bandwagon is that it gives them a larger CAPEX base upon which to base their rates. It is also easy to get approved because of political virtue signalling. So if you are limited to making a 10% net return, would you rather do that on $10MM or $100MM? The only limiting factor is what the PUC will approve.

    • Of course not! Cost : benefit is whatever you say it is. If a Liberal says it, it must be true.
      It would be interesting to run an experiment:
      Shut off the synchronous back-up of the gas turbines.
      Wait one year and see what happens!

  13. You can pay me now, or you can pay him later.

    Once these plants are torn down, and LA has to buy all of it’s power from out of state sources, what is expensive now we be even more expensive.

    Please tell me again how it’s the Democrats who care about and protect the poor.

    • I won’t. I’ll remind you that during “deregulation” 20 years ago, power prices skyrocketed and Bill Clinton told BPA “Thou shalt sell electricity to LA”, so BPA had to buy that electricity back from the aluminum plants so they could sell to LA. Naturally, that made the electricity outrageously expensive.

  14. I believe that we are not looking at Global Warming or anything like that here.

    We are looking at Globalization, whose intention is not only to have one government and one market, but intent to achieve this by ruining economies and thereby creating the opportunity for an absorption into a controllable world wide economy.

    This explains the inexplicable policies by the left world wide.

    Apart from the tool of”Global Warming” of which there is no doubt that economies will falter if these crazy policies will be actually adopted, take note of the tool of uninhibited immigration, such as in Europe which is ruining not only economies but cultures, and the tool known as the EU which will end up with most member states becoming vassals.

    The people pushing these policies are not stupid, they have been seduced by personal gain and their task is to lead normal trusting people into a latter day holocaust.

    The whole thing does not make sense unless one thinks of what the true aims of Globalization really are.

  15. We have all seen political grandstanding for perceived points. This takes things to a whole new level. They will not be able to keep the power on, of course. And they have no plan except “We hope it will not come to that”. That’s it.

    Many of us want to laugh, point and make fun of the stupidity.

    Consider This:
    California is systematically and deliberately imploding their economy. Remember that a collapse is a process, not an event. It will not be too many years before California bottoms out to Venezuela status. Both economically and socially the state will be a third world hell hole.
    Eventually California will need to be bailed out. By then, basic infrastructure like power, water, sanitation, and transportation will have been degraded to such an extent as to be useless.
    The rebuilding will be enormously difficult and take decades, and the rest of the US will have to pay for it all. Even still, it remains to be seen whether such a rebuilding could be accomplished at all. After all, it takes a culture of one sort to build great things, and a culture of an entirely different sort to rip it all down. The current norms and voting habits of the California population as it is do not inspire confidence.

    The mayor is deliberately destroying the electric power system of a major metropolitan area.
    ?????????

    • I remember reading about Detroit having to tear down abandoned houses and rip up streets in abandoned neighborhoods because they didn’t have the money to put out fires, or even patrol the streets anymore.

    • Eventually California will need to be bailed out.

      Also, people in hell need ice water. Doesn’t mean they’re going to get it.

      And CA’s not even the worst off of the big, blue states teetering on bankruptcy. I could see the red states making a deal, something like the bailed-out states losing their statehood (and Electoral College votes) for ten or twenty years in exchange for red state cash.

        • Erlbaum added, “I’ve listened to feedback about this chart for a few years now, and folks who don’t like the insinuation it makes will always come up with some explanation. Popular ones are that there are more military jobs, more retirees, more farmers, and fewer cities in red states. I don’t buy it. Whatever the excuse, the data is clear: These states receive more than they pay in. Everything else is just a rationalization based on someone deciding that one reason for spending money is good, and another is bad. This chart makes no such distinction. I say, ‘Deal with it!’ The facts are the facts.”

          As far as he’s concerned, a billion spent on Welfare checks is the same as a billion spent on Military payroll. He’s PROUD of his own ignorance, and that pretty much sums up Leftism in a nutshell.

          As for politifact, they admit right there in the article that the years picked were done so to skew the graph as far as it could go. But that’s fine with them.

          ‘Red State Socialism’ is having a job.
          ‘Blue State Socialism’ is BEING a job.

          ~¿~

          • Bingo. Lumping all “federal spending” into one pot is fishy, as is lumping all federal taxes. Where is Social Security in these figures?

            Any time you see the details completely hidden, get skeptical. Genuine analysis includes the details.

          • Keith isn’t interested in making sense. He’s got a lifestyle to protect.
            Obviously, being paid to do a job is no different from being paid to do nothing at all.

        • ” red state cash ??? ”
          ..
          LOL!!!

          Yep. The blue states ship Uncle Sam money and Uncle Sam ships it to the red states. I don’t see the problem. But that’s really not the main reason why the big blue states are close to bankruptcy. Rather, it’s because they lard-up their corrupt labor unions with sweet pension and retiree health care plans. In exchange for local pol’s getting their votes of course.

          It’s all going to come crashing down soon enough. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that Dem’s were expecting Hilldog to bail them out using federal taxpayer bucks. Not only did that drunken, corrupt, war mongering shrew get shut down, but Trump took away the high dollar SALT deductions which is really going to hurt:

          Cuomo: State facing $2.3 billion shortfall

          Suck to be them.

  16. Corruption is rampant throughout the metropolitan areas of California. This does not surprise me. The mayor probably has a bunch to gain– illegitimately– by doing this.

  17. Maybe this is a scheme by Garcetti, to get the poor and the immigrants to go back home. Whereever that might be their mayors are likely saner than Garcetti.

  18. Notice how they say “invest” instead of “subsidize”, or “tax productive parts of the economy and hand the money to our cronies”.

  19. The decision not to rebuild the three gas-fired plants in Los Angeles will be just as consequential for the long term reliability of a grid serving a major metropolitan area as are the decisions to close Diablo Canyon north of San Francisco in 2025 and Indian Point north of New York City in 2021.

    Starting about a decade from now, as the grid reliability crisis becomes more acute, an ever-expanding array of LNG-fired peaker plants will be quickly installed in locations served by LNG rail transport which are close enough to limit power transmission losses to the core of the city, but also far enough away from high density population centers to limit potential damage from LNG rail accidents.

    However, before this scenario happens, a series of major blackout events must occur in Los Angeles, in San Francisco, and in New York City — at which point some excuse will be found as to why it has become necessary to quickly install these LNG-fired peakers as a ‘temporary’ grid stabilizing measure.

  20. Note to all Californians: When you leave the state, wherever you end up, please, please, please stop voting for leftist idiots.

    • For some reason, the image of fleas moving away from a dead body as it cools, looking for a new host, comes to mind.

    • please stop voting for leftist idiots.

      Great idea but don’t hold your breath. It’s why South East Florida is a liberal enclave.

  21. Who cares? if the wind stops blowing for a week or two, or its overcast a few days, no one will freeze to death if LA doesn’t have power for a week.

    I thought going back to the stone age was the whole point.

    • They will not freeze, but So Cal has 20M+ million folks living in what is basically a desert. Thirst and sanitation will be problems pretty quickly in the event of a large scale power outage.

    • If the LA grid goes down, water transfer pumps don’t work, and the AC doesn’t work and the refineries and gas/diesel pump stations don’t work and the refrigerated warehouses and grocery stores empty …there’s gonna be a whole lot of killing and dying going on.

  22. Katharine Hayhoe is on the loose again… And another CBC proselyte, amateur astronomer Nicole Mortillaro could not miss it:
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/canadian-climate-cities-2080-1.5014695

    In an effort to improve climate change communication, the authors came up with an idea: what if they forecast the temperature and precipitation changes for cities in 2080, and matched them with a city that has a similar climate today?

    With compliant propagandist media like these, who needs communication?

    Clearly the Trudeau re-election bid includes a full CBC climate change assault on Canadians in order to sell the carbon schemes his sugar daddies have designed. Justin or Macron: same master puppeteer.

    • I think this is a mistake. Is anyone really frightened of Vancouver getting the same climate as Seattle has now? Or Ottawa getting Chicago climate (well, maybe in that case, but hardly because it is too warm)

  23. Then I guess we can disconnect – immediately – the two peaker stations here around Ventura. They only feed LA, and they only do it during peak power draw on hot days when AC systems are running strong. They are gas turbine peakers… They do nothing for the Ventura County residents, they are just to support LA. So turn them off and see what happens!

    • They are already shutting down the last NG plants we have in Ventura, and tearing down all of their transmission lines, so they can’t be rebuilt. I find it interesting that have plans for a new NG plant north of Tony Santa Barbara. Steyer and Musk attended the,local “community meetings” which were packed with Enviros so that no dissent could be allowed.

  24. CA does sound insane. I blame the lack of a real middle class. I don’t count govt workers as true middle class people.
    I have to believe that a lot of this is just to “defy” Trump. Remember when CA passed that stem cell bond issue thingee ( ? 3 billion) to show George Bush who wouldn’t let the lame walk again? Not much seems to have come out of it. CA was going to be the stem cell capital of the USA, as I recall.
    I hope they fast track these changes so we call all see how they work.

  25. Rats, fleas, typhus, brownouts, needle parks, homeless, gridlocked, comet-chasing, fire brush, mud slide, glitterati, follywood, plastic, fantastic, reeling, rocking, total collapsing apocalyptic nightmare…

    I love LA

  26. To all who supply Electric Power to California, especially to the large Metroplexes – Remember what happened in the NE when a simple Transformer Failure caused the largest Blackout in American History! Please install California Cutouts which will act nearly instantaneously to shed California Load in the event of a sudden demand from these locales when the wind stops or the sun doesn’t shine. Otherwise, the sudden surge of electrical demand WILL burn out your own power grids! Let California go Black! Save your own customers FIRST! The ensuing riots will take care of the problem, one way or the other – either by removing the Idiots in Charge, or by burning down sufficient Electrical Consumption Infrastructure so as to alleviate the excess Load condition.

  27. It sounds like the preamble to the AOC’s document has the details of how the New Deal; this massive economic undertaking will be orchestrated by a select committee of 15 members of Congress, appointed by the Speaker.
    Could this be true?

  28. Just excellent news . . . this announcement will cause a huge surge in demand for household emergency power generators sized for full-home normal use—likely the 20-30 Kw size range—fueled by natural gas.

    I’ve been on the lookout for a good investment opportunity!

    But wait a minute . . . you don’t think California will next outlaw supplying natural gas to residences, do you???

  29. It’s amusing to think of what a colossal reaction actions like this are setting up. the pranksters on Olympus perhaps have this in mind.( Their absurd CAGW thesis was a test of mortals’ foolishness and the retributrion they / we deserve as a result.)

  30. Why don’t they try this scheme on a smaller town first, as a pilot project? Perhaps there’s a twon in Texas that might qualify already.

  31. Something to keep California residents from thinking too much about the abandoning of the high speed, low speed train?

    Does California have the infrastructure to import enough electricity from neighboring States to make up for the loss of the natural gas plants? Is this a continuation of a policy that focuses on renewables and ignores the fine print stating how much power they get from their neighbors?

    The train is an albatross that will hang around the neck of the Green New Deal. Complete failure almost from day 1. 10 (?) years later and nothing to show for it? Imagine that on a nationwide scale.

    The other massive problem, just as in Illinois, are the public sector pensions. Time and again California has seen tax increases that were supposed to dedicated to education or infrastructure only to see the funds trying to make the minimum deposits on the fund.

    So why add to the insanity with this declaration? Can’t wrap my head around this one. We aren’t talking theory or models with power generation. How hard is it for someone in the know to explain the basics of what a modern grid requires? Do they not ask? Is there so much fraud and graft that nobody wants to kill the golden goose?

    Glad I am not in California, this is not going to be a soft landing.

  32. Let us also not forget that the Diablo Canyon nuclear plant in San Luis Obispo county is also to be shut down sometime in the 2020’s. It provides 2,160 MW of electricity to 1.7 million homes according to the L.A. Times:

    https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-diablo-canyon-nuclear-20160621-snap-story.html.

    California seems to be bound and determined to find out the hard way what a foolish and thoughtless thing it is to believe solar panels can successfully replace all of the electricity from these power plants they are shutting down and not replacing. When the bill to replace all of those expiring solar panels comes due in the years and decade ahead, it should be fun to watch what happens. The foreign panel manufacturers, particularly in China, should to wringing their hands in anticipation.

    And then of course, there is all the toxic waste that the panels produce when they expire. Green energy?? Yea, right.

    • We’ve already seen what solar has done to Germany. Lots of solar generation wasted, because it wasn’t needed at the time it was generated. When it was needed, it couldn’t be produced, because it was very early morning or middle of the night when the solar plant couldn’t work. Finally (and I know this because I talked to some folks in Germany when I visited there in 2014 and have read articles, especially about the poor folks who have had their electricity cut off because they could not afford to pay for it, that have given me the information from which I could figure it out), the average German pays about four times for his/her electricity than I do here in Texas. Pretty sad.

  33. This isn’t about California going “Green” but more about California’s continued virtue signaling to the Progressive narrative. It won’t happen because it can’t. When those in charge of providing the electricity are told what to do they will answer correctly and once again deliver the bad news. No politician wants to be responsible for causing a power outage. The brown outs decades ago were nothing compared to what reliance on wind/solar would do.

  34. With all the insanity and economic havoc the Left is creating over the CAGW scam, I’m certain that when (not if) CAGW is officially disconfirmed, the worldwide blowback against the Left for wasting $10’s of trillions on this scam and the psychological damage done to two generations of children while this hoax was being perpetrated will be profound and historic.

    AOC’s hilarious Green New Deal was the high-water mark of the CAGW scam: no air travel in 10 years, no meat in 10 years, every building retrofitted, no gasoline-powered cars in 10 years, welfare for the lazy, guaranteed housing for everyone, just print money to pay for everything, etc. etc. etc…

    The Left has finally exposed themselves for the delusional fools that they are.

  35. “It’s the right thing to do for our health. It’s the right thing to do for our Earth. It’s the right thing to do for our economy,”

    “It’s the right thing to do” is what politicians say to justify doing the absolutely wrong thing. Mayor Garcettin wins the trifecta!

  36. Yes, lots of furious comments, and they are quite right as far as they go. But there are two interesting things about this, which are indicative of the general trend in Green thinking.

    1) The proposal doesn’t tackle the main source of LA pollution: the automobile and freeway system. The real problem in LA is not electricity generation. Its the fact that its design is spread out urban sprawl with the car and the freeway as the only really functioning transport system. The sprawl means everyone has to travel to do almost anything. The reliance on the car and freeways for that travel leads to the pollution.

    If you really wanted to lower LA emissions and air pollution, the place to start would be the car, which would involve restructuring the entire living and working and playing environment so that transportation needs could be met by non-auto travel. Whether mass transit, bikes, walking, whatever. So that would mean a whole different layout, moving people and businesses.

    Are they doing or thinking about any of that? No, change out some generating capacity. It will do almost nothing, because this is a minor source of the problem.

    This is typical, focussing on a minor cause or instance of the alleged problem. But there is also:

    2) Doing something expensive which will have no effect on the alleged problem.

    One of the reasons cited is to do something about global warming by reducing emissions. But its surely obvious that nothing LA does will have the slightest effect on global emission levels. This is also characteristic of the Green movement – advocating unilateral or local action when the source of the problem is not local and where local action is too small to have any effect on it.

    Tuvalu cannot lower sea level rises by lowering its own emissions. LA cannot have any effect on climate by lowering its emissions. Even were it to pick some actions which would actually lower its own emissions.

    So, when thinking about this, the thing to focus on and understand is the two typical aspects of Green policy proposals and recommendations:

    (1) To refuse to focus on the largest component of the local problem. Instead pick some relatively minor source of emissions and try to minimize that. A bit like looking for one’s keys under the streetlamp because its well lit there.

    (2) To propose taking unilateral local action to reduce emissions in order to contribute to reducing global emissions, when that local action, because of the fact that the local emissions are trivial globally, can have no effect on the global picture.

    Now its been pointed out, ask why Green thinking and policy almost always contains these two features. Now, that is a really interesting question!

      • Interesting table. Fact remains however:

        (1) The biggest source of emissions, far and away, is the auto and freeway system associated, and to do anything material about it, you’d have to change living and working patterns dramatically, and for all of their eagerness to lower emissions, there isn’t a hint of doing that.

        (2) Even if you did it, and got LA emissions down to zero, you would have made no measurable reduction to global emissions.

        So, again, what exactly is the rationale for doing this? Why do the Greens always focus on doing things which address a trivially small part of the supposed local problem, and which, even if they work as planned, have no effect on the global problem.

        You have it with the whole wind generation proposals. Electricity generation is not the big problem, erecting wind turbines doesn’t reduce local emissions anyway, and even if it did lower local emissions, the reductions are too small to affect global emissions measurably.

        Why does the Green movement always advocate things with these obvious defects? That is the real question.

    • Commits related to this plan reflect a cognitive dissonance that arises when the power plan obviously can not support current levels of energy consumption in housing and personal mobility. But look around. Look at skid row and the energy options people have there. The third world is already moving in. If there were a supply of tin roof panels and mud bricks human ingenuity would build a real slum, built to a human powered mobility scale and density. Look at Dakka Bangladesh. The density there and the energy use. That could be the future. Not much AC there. How do they manage basic water, sewage and food distribution? Not with a lot of money or power but they are getting by so far. Look at the world trend towards urbanization and imagine people squatting on California open spaces then building up shelters. Plenty of room for more. Easier to harvest their votes when they living in such close quarters. The future will not wait and votes with its feet.

  37. Garcetti’s plan is so bad it’s good. The previous wasteful green-dream of completely rebuilding perfectly good gas-fired plants because they supposedly warm the ocean too much gets nixed, saving billions of dollars, then when the current not just wasteful but impossible green-dream fails to materialize the only alternative to constant brown and blackouts will be to keep the perfectly fine older-tech gas plants in operation beyond their eco-required decommissioning date. It’s great way to get around the idiotic upgrade-or-decommission requirements of the previous green dream, and it is INEVITABLE. This WILL happen.

    • There is another alternative. Thousands and perhaps millions of businesses and individuals will purchase their own private gas or diesel generators. Needless to say, the pollution that will result during blackouts and brownouts will likely exceed 1970s smog levels. It does suggest a potential investment play though.

  38. Maybe it’s a plan to increase house prices by forcing out poor people who will not able to afford exorbitant electricity rates, thereby gentrifying the city.
    Good for current property owners.

  39. Unfortunately Washington state House of Representatives just introduced a bill to specifically regulate natural gas powerplants and greenhouse gas emissions. With newly elected democrats in majority, it may pass and screw our state up here even more.

  40. You might think that plotting a course that will predictably sabotage a basic need would be risky, but in the end they’ll blame “obstructionist Republicans” for not spending enough money.

    If I were a local Republican politician with no chance of being elected today anyway, I’d run a campaign “Steve O in 2028! I’ll end the brownouts!

  41. What was that movie a while back ? “Escape From L.A.” Something like that….

    Isn’t Los Angeles the place where Hollywood the Industry has its home? Making movies, generating entertainment media, requires electricity. Lots of electricity. Is this mayor going to shut off Disneyland and other such places?

    The more I see of this, the more I think they’re not crazy, but something much worse.

  42. Solution. California secedes and rejoins Mexico. Under that government I am sure Hollywood folks would love their new way of life. I will readily sign the petition as an Oregonian to push this through.

  43. Note to Garcetti: Rioting during blackouts is not good for public health either. The blood will be on your hands.

  44. I wonder how many green notables will endorse this LA gas-free scheme, and how many will criticize it. If they keep mum, as I’m sure will happen, they should be pressed by our side and the MSM to take a stand on it. This is an opportunity for our side to go on the offensive and get warmists on the record as saying that 100% renewables and no natural gas is OK. Or to say that it isn’t OK. Forcing them into either position will be a Win for skepticism.

  45. So…if they are NOT replacing the Natural gas-power plants, then where IS the energy coming from? “Batteries and clean technology” is kind of vague. I mean, last I checked batteries do not generate electricity, they merely stockpile it and at a big cost.

    So are they expecting home solar to provide enough cushion? Even at night? That would mean lots of batteries in homes as well. Does this Mayor have investments in a battery factory?

    Or are they planning to build more transmission lines to bring in power from more distant places? I bet the home owners near those transmission lines are thrilled. If they bring in power from distantly located fossil fuel power plants, then they have just INCREASED overall pollution, not decreased it. (They would decrease the local pollution – and not counting CO2 as pollution here)

    Or are they planning on building more solar and wind power plants? Those are so wonderful cheap and cost effective. So raise the price of electricity by doubling it? And where are they going to get all these wonderful batteries from. If they build more solar, they need to build over twice as much to cover transmission loss, storage loss, and peaks.

    Or are they seeing the writing on the wall and expecting enough industry to leave that they will have plenty of surplus power available?

    Given the economic nature of power companies in California, I sure would not want to own any stock in them.

  46. I have to say that I have long enjoyed the movie, “Shakespear in Love” (1998). I never thought I’d have cause to compare fictional lines from that movie to current events. Well, that day has come.

    Philip Henslowe: Mr. Fennyman, allow me to explain about the theatre business. The natural condition is one of insurmountable obstacles on the road to imminent disaster.
    Hugh Fennyman: So what do we do?
    Philip Henslowe: Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well.
    Hugh Fennyman: How?
    Philip Henslowe: I don’t know. It’s a mystery.

    Henslowe repeats those lines throughout the movie. Whenever crisis looms, he optimistically responds that it will turn out well, and when asked how?, his answer is “I don’t know. It’s a mystery.”

    That seems to be the attitude of the liberal left today. Not just in California, New York, the USA, but world wide. Germany to Venezuela and beyond. No rational thought. No analysis. Not even a cursory adherence to the Biblical advice to count the cost before undertaking to build a house. These people deliberately reject accounting, their bank balance, etc. before proceeding full speed ahead. They have no plan to succeed, just the belief that if they want it, it will happen.

    This is a cold and harsh statement, but sometimes you just have to allow Darwinian principles to govern your responses. If their stupidity leads to their demise, then they will no longer waste valuable oxygen. And ironically, they will achieve one leftist goal, a reduction in human population.

  47. Robert of Texas February 13, 2019 at 9:23 am asks where the power sill come from. It will come from the same place that it comes from whenever Southern California can’t generate enough electricity for its own needs. The source will be the coal-fired generators on Native American reservations in the 4 corners area (where the boundaries of Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico meet).

    Re Eric Garcetti: he will have moved on to greener political pastures before the consequences of his actions are understood, perhaps to the House of Representatives or, in his fevered mind, running for President Kamala’s senate seat.

    • “The source will be the coal-fired generators on Native American reservations in the 4 corners area….” Yes, as it is now. While California boasts of being the renewable energy leader it hides the inconvenient fact that it sources electricity from coal fired stations in other states. “But they will be converted to gas fired” but not in LA. Another article in the LA Times tried to put the impending disaster of black outs in better perspective by saying “the cost of batteries is coming down”….. like grid scale batteries are even available at any price. That’s the tripe they are feeding the people.

      • “markl February 13, 2019 at 2:06 pm

        Another article in the LA Times tried to put the impending disaster of black outs in better perspective by saying “the cost of batteries is coming down”….. like grid scale batteries are even available at any price.”

        South Australia is the crash test dummy for that. Elon Musk’s AU$100m battery that will supply a few minutes power in a blackout.

        • Actually, in its biggest use to date, on January 24, 2019 (Australia time), amongst a widespread power interruption/blackout, the Tesla “mega battery” at the SA Hornsdale wind farm electric power facility supplied about 33 MW of power to the grid for about 3 hours total before reaching its design depth-of-discharge state and being taken off-line.

          It was a pittance compared to the facility’s nameplated capacity of 315 MW and to what was needed during this emergency.

          The problem arose from heavy HVAC electrical demand due to days of extreme heat in South Australia coupled with a decline of wind speeds across the area. A classic case of what can happen due to wind power not being reliable or dispatchable.

  48. If Los Angeles wants to run a renewables experiment, we should let them.
    They have ocean winds, and sun all the time. Maybe they can get rid of the smog.
    California ran a Bullet Train Experiment for us, and found out it was too expensive, so thanks for that.

    • Well, the California HSR train has not yet run (and hopefully never will), but I get your point. To date $4 BILLION has been spent for all sorts of things, mostly paper studies, buying rights-of-way from private land owners, and constructing a few concrete piers for overpasses, but essentially not a single mile of HSR track has been laid.

  49. What a dickhead! Sadly London has a Mayor with matching capabilities! Lefty politicians always want to ruin any progress that has been made.

  50. This news item from 2011 is very pertinent:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/utilities-ladwp-haynes/los-angeles-to-repower-haynes-natgas-power-plant-idUSN1E7960LS20111007

    * Project to eliminate ocean cooling for power plant
    * Repowering to cost $782 million
    * Six new 100 MW units to enter service by end of 2013

    “The new units are akin to jet engines that can ramp up to
    full power in just 10 minutes, as compared to the existing
    units, which require about a day and a half to reach full
    capacity,” LADWP General Manager Ronald Nichols said in a
    release.
    LADWP expects the new units to enter service by the end of
    2013.
    “That speed in ramping up and down will help us meet
    another very important objective integrating more renewable
    energy into our electric grid,” Nichols said, noting the
    intermittent nature of renewable wind and solar power.
    LADWP said Haynes is the first of a series of repowering
    projects the utility is working on to eliminate the use of
    ocean water cooling – a process known as “once-through cooling”
    at three coastal power plants.

    Haynes is a 1,524-MW natural gas- and oil-fired power plant
    with seven units. In 2005, LADWP repowered Units 3 and 4 with a
    combined cycle plant (Units 8-10).
    Haynes
    Unit Size Age
    1 222 1962
    2 222 1963
    5 292 1965
    6 238 1967
    8 235 2005
    9 158 2005
    10 158 2005

    So presumably closure means they will be able to integrate less wind and solar… not to mention a very short service life for plant that might have been expected to last 40 years.

  51. When I read stories like this from California (or Oregon, or Washington state, or British Columbia), I ask myself whether there might be something in the water on the west coast of North America that makes people go insane.

Comments are closed.