Comments on ‘Green New Deal’
‘This isn’t just radical socialism, this is madness’
ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, IL (February 7, 2019) – Today, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA) released the outline of the “Green New Deal.” The resolution calls for the United States to embark on a 10-year “economic mobilization” with the goal to “achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers.” The plan would shut down virtually all coal, oil, and natural gas electric plants, eliminating millions of jobs in the process; spend unspecified billions on new “zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing” and green public transit projects, and it would eliminate as many gasoline-powered vehicles “as is technologically feasible.”
The plan would also require “upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency,” the creation of a federal universal college education program, and it would guarantee “a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States.”
The following statements from energy and environment experts at The Heartland Institute — a free-market think tank — may be used for attribution.
“Extreme. That’s the only way to describe the socialist Green New Deal. With its failure in Venezuela, Ocasio-Cortez, Markey and their fellow democrats have picked a bad time to force socialism here in our country. Rest assured, The Heartland Institute will continue to lead the opposition to this socialist green dream.”
Tim Huelskamp, Ph.D.
President
The Heartland Institute
thuelskamp@heartland.org
312/377-4000
Dr. Huelskamp represented Kansas’ 1st District in the House of Representatives from 2011 to 2017.
“It is no coincidence that the radical socialist freshman congresswoman from New York has made the Green New Deal her top priority. In addition to bankrupting our energy economy, the Green New Deal would impose the very same programs that destroyed Venezuela, transforming the Latin American nation from a wealthy, relatively free society into a poverty-stricken totalitarian dictatorship.
“This Venezuelan model is what Ocasio-Cortez and other socialist Democrats dream for America. They realize that a contrived climate crisis provides their best opportunity to amass the power to do so.”
Senior Fellow for Environmental Policy
The Heartland Institute
“Justifying the need for the Green New Deal on the alarmist and unscientific reports by the International Panel on Climate Change would turn America into a socialist state because of a lie.
“Despite what this resolution states, human activity is not the ‘dominant cause of observed climate change over the past century.’ Sea levels are not rising at a dangerous and accelerated rate. Storms, droughts, and wildfires are not more frequent, nor are they more severe than in even recent history. And the truth is that the United States, by embracing market-driven forces in energy production, is seeing carbon dioxide emissions fall while that of our more-socialist friends overseas is on the rise.
“In a way, the socialist Green New Deal and the IPCC are a perfect match. Both peddle fantasy and not fact.”
Jay Lehr
Science Director
The Heartland Institute
“There are numerous socialist policies mandated under the Green New Deal that would harm tens of millions Americans and drive up the national debt to unsustainable heights. Just some of those policies include single-payer health care, a national tuition-free college program, a promise to provide every American with ‘healthy food,’ a national basic income program, a universal promise for housing and ‘economic security,’ and a plan to ‘upgrade’ every single building in the country, including every American’s home. This isn’t just radical socialism, this is madness.”
Justin Haskins
Executive Editor
The Heartland Institute
The Heartland Institute is a 35-year-old national nonprofit organization headquartered in Arlington Heights, Illinois. Its mission is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems.
Occasonal-Cortex’s Brave Green World manifesto has been taken down.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/that-didnt-age-well-ocasio-cortez-pulls-her-lunatic-green-new-deal-bridge-across-the-oceans-plan-from-her-webpage/?omhide=true
I understand Occasional-Cortex labored mightily to give birth to the Green New Deal. The text was delivered to her web site. The text was kept comfortable. The text was resuscitated with corrections to some but not all typos because that is what Occasional-Cortex and Nancy wanted. Then a discussion ensued between Nancy and Occasional-Cortex and Schumer snipped the server cord.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/05/ocasio-cortez-green-deal-redistribute-wealth/
From the article:
Many Democrats have rallied around New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s so-called “Green New Deal” that aims to eliminate fossil fuels within 10 years. (RELATED: Liberal Operative Reveals The Real Reason Ocasio-Cortez Backs A ‘Green New Deal’)
[excerpt]
A progressive activist who worked on New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s campaign and helped draft an outline for a “Green New Deal” characterized the global warming plan as a “proposal to redistribute wealth.”
“America’s ruling class is freaking out about [Ocasio-Cortez’s] proposal to redistribute wealth and power from the people on top to the people on the bottom,” Waleed Shahid tweeted Tuesday, referring to a Fox News segment on the “Green New Deal.”
[end of excerpt]
My concern, as an energy expert, is that intermittent energy from wind and/or solar power cannot supply the grid with reliable, uninterrupted power. These so-called green energy technologies are not green and produce little useful energy, because they require almost 100% conventional backup from fossil fuels, nuclear or hydro for periods when the wind does not blow and the Sun does not shine. Green energy does not even reduce CO2 emissions, because of the need for almost 100% conventional spinning reserve. There is no current grid-scale “super-battery” technology that can economically solve the intermittency problem, except for Pumped Storage that requires special siting that exists in only a few places in the world.
If these “green energy” warriors have their way, I would get off the grid and generate my own power from natural gas. That is the rational approach when politicians ruin a perfectly good grid energy system with their naïve, uninformed foolishness.
Imagine that, people who’ve worked their butts off to improve themselves and provide for their families are upset that people who would rather not work are going to use government to steal everything they have worked for.
And waste it on stuff that which will result in almost no real reduction in CO2 emissions, but will triple the cost of electricity.
The plan is to force jobs to leave so there will be more people on welfare which are Democrat supporters.
The trick/challenge/logical constraint is to make more money so the country can spend more.
It is idiotic/irrational on multiple levels.
William Astley…at 4:36 pm
And waste it on stuff that which will result in almost no real reduction in CO2 emissions…
Your post implies that reduction of CO2 emissions needs to be done. It doesn’t.
Stop buying into what the Left tells us needs to be done.
Indeed, CO2 is the gas of life and reducing it curtails life on the planet! Democratic socialists are hell-bent on destroying everything they touch but particularly Western civilization. They’ve been brainwashed into believing their Globalistic Nirvana is obtainable while anybody with an ounce of brains knows their approach can only fail! Give them a napkin and they’ll go skydiving with enthuasiasm!
The Libs have really done it now,
proposed the telling Green New Deal!
You’re on the list, they’ll disallow
what you love and what you feel.
Forget your cars, forget your plane,
your barbecue, your life, your house.
You’ll go by train, eat what they deign,
for they’re the cat, you are the mouse.
In paradise no one must work,
you’ve seen this all played out before.
You’ll be controlled by the berserk,
you’ll starve and die as they get more.
Venezuela, Russia, Cuba,
North Korea, Vietnam,
Cambodia, Romania,
East Germany, Afghanistan.
So tell me, fellow earthly dwellers,
are we the masters of our fate?
Shall we curl up or hide in cellars,
meekly obey, succumb to hate?
Drain the swamp! Build the wall!
Make the bastards earn their rent!
Stand up, you people, Do Not Crawl!
We’re the ONLY government!
William was just pointing out the absurdity of what the liberals are doing.
They do not care. Out of the ashes of capitalist society will come a nice shiny new one. A society not based on greed. Even if it fails they will have destroyed white America. for her a brilliant result. Her name will be spoken of in 1000s of years. The society that replaces white America will be their America with their American values.
Years ago you neede an army today just a demographic that votes.
“America’s ruling class is freaking out about [Ocasio-Cortez’s] proposal to redistribute wealth and power from the people on top to the people on the bottom,”
Ummm… No.
The Ruling Class are congratulating each other on how much they look after the little people. In any Brave New World the Ruling Class will remain the Ruling Class because they are better than us and clearly need to maintain their nice things in order to do their important jobs.
What is really going to happen is the middle class and the working class will have their wealth removed to construct a new Dregs Of Society Class at the very bottom where all Dregs are Equal.
The Ruling Class will then go and live in their apartment in Paris and the Dregs Class can stay and enjoy being patronised by tourists who now visit America because of the 20 to 1 exchange rate against the US dollar.
What gets me is who’s really behind this. Steyer? Bloomberg? No 29-year-old ditzy bartender came up with this on her own, believe me. There’s got to be some BIG money behind this chick feeding the publicity machine. I can’t even believe such a basket of steaming codswallop has actually seen the light of day! Maybe Pelosi can take her down to that 33rd level catacomb under the Capitol building and explain the Facts of Life to She Guevara. This is the gods’ gift to the GOP . . . and it shows the Watermelons’ hand to the world at last!
Oh Goldrider there are many of them :-
Let’s start at the top.
‘ My’ Pope (I am a catholic).
The club of Rome (not necessarily related to above)
The Rothschilds
Soros.
The Bilderberg Group.
Other Masons.
Probably the remnants of the Soviet union.
Probably communist China.
The entire Marxist democrat party.
Agenda 21
The Ippc.
Enough yet?
This gal is too perfect to be anything but a Trump operative. She is his 2020 campaign insurance.
Patrick. Thank you for mentioning the “unmentionables” here on this site.
it is no coincidence she is pushing for 2030- right in line with Agenda 21/2030.
My understanding is that Cotexless [I mean, “Cortez”] is the House sponsor of the bill. It actually arose from the Sunrise Movement organization with which she has been associated for a while. My guess is that active thinkers and leaders in this organization have been hammering out the language for quite some time, and they are using Cotexless [I mean, “Cortez”] as one of the political mouthpieces to articulate it, and as one of the governmental arms to push it out there into the real world.
https://www.sunrisemovement.org/gnd/
Goldrider – February 7, 2019 at 7:48 pm
Well now, ……. actually, realistically and technically, …. it is the US Public School System that is responsible for the beliefs and actions of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez et el (and all like-minded millennials) and their “Green New Deal” manifesto …… because that is what the public school students have been “brainwashed” to believe during the past 30+ years.
Cortez’s election “win” was a one-in-a-billion “fluke” and it jump-started the lefty liberal “bandwagon” playing and a parade quickly formed behind it.
And that parade is just getting started and won’t end any time soon. So, set back in your “easy” chair and watch the protesting, fighting and name calling.
Indeed, it’s excellent that we can now all see exactly what the Communists are up to.
BTW, call them what they are, Communists.
No more ‘maybe this, maybe that’.
There it is folks, the true game plan revealed.
To Craig from Oz…from Bill from Aus.
By then there wont be a US dollar, they will. be trading in yuan. I think the ruling class is freaking out as they see their chance to steal all our belongings and freedoms sliding away to loony land on the superfast green dream.
It appears that the Dems might be on the verge of a massive split. An old friend of mine once warned me of the folly of having mad friends as they will eventually turn on you….
There is already a huge split between the establishment Democrats and the Millenials. The Establishment are freaking out because they’ve just realized their base considers them obsolete.
The Democrats, through control of the schools, created the batcrap-crazy Millennials by force-feeding them Marxist claptrap for decades. The Millennials are now turning on all the old white folks in the Democrat party, because Too White (and, mostly, Too Male).
Xhe Guevera is not some crazy lady from out of left field. She’s just a typical, average Millenial who’s been taught that she knows everything, socialism is just super-cool, and The Future Is Brown Female.
That’s the problem with relying on lunatics as your support base. You can never tell what a lunatic might decide to do.
Allan, I really have started liking the term “weather dependent energy”. The word “renewable” just has some inherent connotation of reliability that is just plain wrong.
DMackenzie. You make a good point. Weather-dependent is exactly the right description.
I think the silly plans for overturning the power generation system without some basic breakthrough are taken from or inspired by Hollywood sci-fi movies wherein the rebels, the cool ultimate victors, scrounge advanced spare parts for a few shillings and fly spacecraft made from millions of tons of metal that appear without any energy input. It is a scavenger economy that has an unseen source of processed metal. In effect, the plots are redistributive because they take what exists and redistribute it very inexpensively, akin to running down a battery someone else charged.
That said, crony capitalism is as insane and short sighted as the loopy Left’s plans to discharge the economic battery in the interests of, among other things, literally everyone having a college degree.
As president of South Africa PW Botha asked, “And who will bring you your tea in the morning?” I suppose the answer will be someone with a college degree in flavinoids.
A just society requires a commitment to genuine equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes. Slave wages does not qualify as equality of opportunity. Being a member of Congress does not imply equality of outcomes. There is a lot of growing up still to be done.
We should all start using that term. First of all the energy is not renewable because you can’t make the solar panels or wind turbines from the energy it produces. You need fossil fuels to make materials
Jamie, BINGO! This is the heart of the problem. How many wind turbines does it take to produce enough concentrated energy to manufacture the materials for one single wind turbine? I am just a biologist, but I’ll wager that the number is north of an infinite number of wind turbines. And, until this week, I never considered the energy costs to manufacture the materials for the base/pedestal. Yeah, right, renewables! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4jEFPdUiMs&feature=youtu.be
“Weather dependent” is better than “Green” but not entirely correct. For example, solar doesn’t work on a cloud-free night either – the weather doesn’t matter. I still prefer “intermittent energy” because it covers both weather and nightfall. “Works Some-Of-The-Time energy” just doesn’t roll off the tongue.
Texa Robert
Texas Robert
…I still prefer “intermittent energy” because it covers both weather and nightfall….
How’s about “Diurnal Weather Dependent..?”
( not to be confused with a Storm safe Public Convenience )…
semantics will be the death of me!
Cheers
Mike
To be fair, 100% “renewable” energy is only impossible if you assume that the demand side of the equation does not change. The current electrical system has all the flexibility built into the supply side. This allows the consumer (you and me) to demand electricity whenever we want want it and at whatever amount we want (up to the limits of our service class, of course). But if you have inflexible (non-dispatchable, unreliable) supply (provided by wind and solar mostly), then the system can work if you have flexible demand. In other words, you allow the grid operators to “adjust” demand as necessary to balance the varying supply. This would be done by putting devices at all customer locations which allow the grid operator to turn off circuits and services as they see fit, or even disabling entire subgrids for periods of time. Now that is a radical change to the current system, and most likely is incompatible with our technological society today. I doubt most people would be in favor of such a change, which is probably why this aspect of 100% renewables is never mentioned by its proponents.
10+
Reincarnated Vladimir Ilich
No.
Leon Trotsky more likely
Aselo kotex gave Trump a valentine present!
U.S. International Trade Administration (ITA)
SELECT USA
“Energy Industry Spotlight”
“Overview”
“The Energy Industry in the United States”
Includes Renewable Energy, Energy Efficiency, Other Energy topics and Organizations involved in U.S. Energy Issues.
There is more taking place than just the U.S. Congress and Senate.
http://www.selectusa.gov/energy-industry-united-states
And,
UN Sustainable Development
“Clean Energy Finance University”
Description
Partners:
U.S. Department of Energy, NREL
Bloomberg New Energy Finance
Clean Energy Solutions Center
Frankfurt School – UNEP
UNEP
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/partnership/?p=1038
Look behind the scenes for what’s taking place.
“Occasonal-Cortex”
Hahahahahahahahah! Love it! 🙂
Is this the document? https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf
the Cortex and all those who support her are really quite insane. One need not even bother to try and analyse her stupidity.
I think all Democrats throughout this great nation should support AOC’s Green New Deal. Before the next election.
Yeah, but what if they get elected?
Seriously – I feel ya, but you simply cannot count on common sense being a factor.
I was reading of a poll recently that found that a majority of voters would support raising the tax rate to 70%. Reading the comments was really depressing. Person after person whining about how it was so unfair that some people had so much, so they want government to do something about it.
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”
Winston Churchill, House of Commons, 22 October 1945
Except for the ruling classes who will:
a) live in big dachas
b) travel in big bullet proof gasoline powered cars
c) will use dedicated ruling class only travel lanes
d) will shop in well stocked ruling class only stores
Hey we’ve been here before … back in the USSR
Winnie was a little off on the second sentence. It should have been, “The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries except for the ruling elite.”
The problem for these people is that there are no repercussions to offering up something this blatantly stupid because so far the adults have said “No effin’ way”. But until these wannabe socialists feel the effects of policy like this they’ll just continue on being critical of the systems that allow them to act this way in the first place instead of having to scratch and claw for survival every day.
I wish I had a time machine so I could send them back to the medieval times so they could be serfs and let them enjoy that way of life for a year or so… perhaps NOAA will lend me the use of theirs (that is how they are able to determine how all past temperatures needed to be adjusted down, isn’t it – they went back in time and remeasured?).
Sorry Bob AOC goes back medieval times to live as a serf and she stays there. Or fly her up to the top of Alaska and say sorry you can’t use the airplane these have been outlawed. Here is a kayak. Good luck!
I’m a Canadian Baffin Island would be an excellent spot.
According to her Green Insanity Plan, airplanes are going to be phased out in favor of high speed rail. In just 10 years.
Yeah, I’d like to see her try her high speed rail on its way to Hawaii.
old joke about bridges to Hawaii with a modern twist:
Granted one wish a man asked for a bridge to Hawaii.
The Genie laughed in his face, “Far too crazy! Ask again!”
“Okay,” the man replied. “Then tell me what the heck that Cocasio-Cortez woman is thinking.”
“Hmm,” replied the genie, “You want that bridge one lane or two?”
With gas stations, restaurants and motels every 200 miles.
Has AOC ever been outside the continental USA? I don’t think she realises there’s a whole lot of world out here.
But, but … we have to at least try . We can’t just do nothing !
Not gas stations every 200 miles on the Hawaii bridge, electricity recharge points as she will be using an EV.
She will have to join the queue as it takes about half an hour to recharge even from a rapid recharge point. If it is normal domestic supply it will take over-night!
Interesting the difference between the time stamp of 11.19pm on 7th Feb, and the actual time here in the UK at about 7.20 am on 8th Feb.
I presume that the time stamp is California time.
Rocket Scientist,
Good stuff, mind if I steals it?
That needs to go on Twitter.
David, I’m not sure she’s ever been outside New York City.
Unfortunately she HAS been out of NY NY, She was in DC for the State of the Union address all decked out in white.
I have often said that they should ship the alarmists to the North Pole and leave them there. See how well that “global warming” is working for them then. Or the South Pole. The South Pole might be better. It’s land-locked; it’s colder.
How about to the Midwest last week with only wind and solar available?
That would solve the problem.
At least one person froze solid in her own home when her thermostat malfunctioned.
It does not even take a power failure to die in Winter in the US.
With gas stations, restaurants and motels every 200 miles.
Not gas stations every 200 miles on the Hawaii bridge, electricity recharge points as she will be using an EV.
Neither of those things, it’s Highspeed rail only. She wants to eliminate cars as well as planes.
How about a moving sidewalk??
And so should we up to the steps of the polling booth.
Favorably promote AOC to every Democrat you know.
It’s the smart thing to do.
I agree with Roy.
This is great news, and we all ought to give them all the rope they want.
It will be the biggest landslide in electoral history.
And there IS pie in the sky …
But, they’re made of marshmallow and served in the back of a cab with Lucy, by the rocking horse people.
Then Occasional Cortex must be the girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
What person with potentially acceptable credentials would sign off on the assertion that a functioning renewable energy system could be built and manintained anywhere near the assumed cost of the Green New Deal?
It is easy enough to believe that young “useful idiots” with no experience can jump aboard the fairy dust train, but what excuse do reasonably intelligent veteran lawmakers like Harris and Sanders have?
I’ve been routinely bashing activists and politicians who start with erroneous assumptions and then go on to build complex conclusions and recommendations upon those false assumption; but none of the GND recommendations can stand a minimum test of economic or scientific scrutiny. You could go on and on!
– where”s the steel for all the new infrastructure going to come from if the only energy is wind and solar?
– cement is a major source of CO2 emissions; each of the infinite number of proposed wind turbines needs a 50′ deep concrete base.
– what do I do with my 2019 Honda that will still be running in 10 years, if gas is not available? Do we need walls to prevent Texans from driving to Mexico for their next fillup? What do we do with all the corner gas stations over the next 10 years?
The inconsistencies go on and on. A home schooled 5th grader can blow holes in these recommendations. This does not say much for the Economics Department of Boston College.
Harris is not that smart. She was my state’s attorney general before she ran for Congress. I can tell you, her success in government wasn’t due to the matter between her ears. I left the state before she became their senator.
As for Sanders? We all know he never had a job in his life that would pay the bills until he conned the voters into putting him in Congress.
This says a lot about the Economics Department of Boston College.
I think you being unfair I have already picked a name for my free unicron , its Jiff .
And it can eat of the free gold plates I am going to get too.
Occasional Cortex has a chip on her shoulder and aside from being an imbecile is, like Obama, trying to harm the country and does not like. The United States of America. What is most disconcerting is the number of people in this country, including the majority of the media and educational system who fall for such complete idiocy.
Covetousness, envy and resentment are the primal impulses of all Marxists, as far as I can tell – including Marx. Give them a mic and they screech, “You didn’t build that!”
This is a campaign gift to the Republicans. This mash-up of Venezuela and Germany’s Energiewende is a lampoon of watermelon proposals.
On second thought, maybe enough people are ignorant enough to not recognize the utter impractibility of this proposal, and vote for people backing it. A decent plot outline for a disaster movie?
there are a lot of green propaganda brainwashed Millennials out there who’ve been raised on “free stuff ” and paid for with OPM.
They closed the website with the details within hours, once they had even that amount of feedback time to hear how stupid and ill-conceived their “plan” was.
Representative Cortez (really, is name calling the height of your arguments-the commenters give all of the appearance of being 5 year olds on the playground) demonstrates (unless I see evidence to the contrary)!more intelligence than all of you combined.
Yes, there are mistakes in the Green Deal, including not understanding that our electrical grid can’t support 100% renewable at this time. But the alternative is to cede the future to China and other countries as we continue down the road to irrelevancy.
Uh Mark, China is building more coal plants, has already increased it’s coal consumption, has doubled it’s methane emissions and still increasing…and is rapidly writing deals to increase it’s petro. coal, and gas imports..
..and other countries too
…the only way we would cede the future to China…is be stupid enough to do some green deal
get out of your shell and research what China is really doing…not what you have been spoon fed
MarkV1, your statement that Representative Cortez “demonstrates…more intelligence than all of you combined” is an impossibly summation to defend, the combined intelligence of only several Watts readers and commentators would easily exceed hers. This ridiculous comment of yours leaves me wondering if you might be consuming too many Trix cereals and Red Bull.
Ron Long writes: “[…] the combined intelligence of only several Watts readers and commentators would easily exceed hers.”
I’d back just any one randomly selected reader here as being more intelligent than AOC, and that includes any from the loyal opposition, should their name be drawn out of the hat.
Unless that random name happens to be MarkV1 as his post demonstrates that even AOC is smarter than him. Simple math shows that his comment is mathematically impossible. Even if you assumed for the sake of argument that everyone here is classified as “Extremely low IQ” (IE 69 or below – about 2% of the overall population) there’s enough people here that when you combine all the numbers you end up with a number in the “Extremely High” (130+ – about 2% of the overall population) range of the Wechsler scale. Even being extremely generous, there’s no way that AOC ranks in the top 2% of intelligence (or if she does, she hides it extremely well every time she opens her mouth and stupid comes tumbling out).
Looks like MV1 was just doing a seagull impersonation.
When you’re confronted by this level of insanity, what good are rational arguments?
As your own idiotic post has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.
mark6,
I don’t understand the part about ceding the future to China.
What logic works to say that using the most efficient energy production systems (and not inefficient green stuff) puts the USA in a secondary position?
Germany is currently leading the way in showing that the green stuff does not work. China doesn’t really care ….
But seriously, how not does jumping onto the greenwagon make the USA irrelevant?
He is not Mark 6; he is Mark version 1.
Version 1? Heck, he’s still in the prototype stage.
Why do leftists get so upset when stupid people are called stupid?
Hits to close to home.
The electrical grid will never be able to support 100% renewable.
PS: I notice that you don’t criticize any of the other insanities? From that can I conclude that you are actually moronic enough to agree with them?
PPS: I take it that you are clueless enough to be taken in by China’s meaningless promises.
In amongst the insults, there are a lot of criticisms for this plan.
I notice you didn’t even attempt to refute any of those criticisms.
Can I take that as an admission on your part that you can’t refute any of them?
Please tell us what, in you opinion, is not a ‘mistake’ in her proposal. A specific actionable item, please, not a sweeping statement like everyone should have clean air to breath.
It;s not that the “grid can’t support 100% renewable at this time” – it’s that renewables can’t support the grid anywhere near 100% of the time. No matter how many renewable energy devices you emplace.
you guys realize…the same woman that says do all this in 10 years
…says the world is going to end in 12
With math skills like hers it’s damn good that Pelosi didn’t give a spot on the Ways and Means Committee.
And, from other sources I’ve read, Pelosi is not too enamored with this plan.
Rocketscientist
That’s because the last time Markey pushed through a climate bill, (Cap and Trade 2009) the Democrats lost 63 House seats and 7 Senate seats in the next election.
You have just shown yourself to be an extremely poor judge of character and cognitive ability.
There’s only one reason She Guevara is in the spotlight right now, and it’s not her IQ. If she looked like Lena Dunham she would be getting no attention. The only reason she’s getting so much attention is because she’s young, trim and sexy.
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2016/08/30/30-lena-dunham.w1200.h630.jpg
You forgot “marginalized ethnic group.”
Destroy your economy and your children will spend the rest of their lives saying ‘I hope the room is to your liking’ to working class Chinese tourists who now holiday in the US because the US dollar is utterly worthless.
That is the New Green Deal. Ignore all the hippy unicorn power generation stuff and look at the shameless social reform. Everyone gets free education. Everyone gets a family supporting job. Everyone gets. No one pays for it because clearly the rich people will.
Spoiler – rich people don’t have to stay because being… how shall I word it… RICH, they can afford to transfer to a new country. The people who are going to be forced to pay for it are the middle class who will be dragged down into the new Dregs class where everything is meaningless.
SOCIALISM DOESN’T WORK.
Deal with it.
Nah, Craig from Oz. your children won’t even get to say that. Look to the socialist paradise of Venezuela and it’s utterly worthless currency, you don’t see many tourists (Chinese or otherwise) going there these days. What good is a strong Yuan compared to the local currency when there’s nothing left in the economically-destroyed country worth spending it on?
Mark VeeOne,
Here is a tribute to your hero chicklet:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1093502913136209921
“Representative Cortez is more intelligence than all of you combined”
Well she is the master of disguise as well then to hide it so well.
I’m torn between “Green Rape Culture” and “Green Final Solution”
Mark,
I agree with you on the name calling. It is childish; there is simply no other way to describe it. But that’s where we part company on this subject. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is not very intelligent, IMHO, and her proposal has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Even a 12 year old could spot some of them. It is nothing less than a naked power grab and a path to the ruination of this country.
Stalin and Mao both murdered millions trying to apply Marxist ideology to really, and the these Marxist dimstick leftists will achieve no less.
You forgot Pol Pot & Maduro.
No Air Travel = no Climate Conference boon doggles = no free champagne and lobster.
This is going to go down like a lead balloon!
You’re misreading that part. “No air travel” refers to those of us that aren’t in the Leftist Elite class. Members of that class will, of necessity, have to frequently travel around the world. Particularly if there’s a tropical island in need to a little TLC.
She claims that high speed rail will be so ubiquitous and comfortable, that nobody will want to fly anymore.
Of course the idea that we could build a nationwide high speed rail network in just 10 years ranks as one of the stupidest ideas in this plan.
I look forward to riding the bullet train from Fresno to Bakersfield.
I’m a little ways out in the country. I look forward to riding the bullet train milk run to the grocery store; stops once at every house and twice at every duplex.
Stopping at every house may take a bit longer, but man-oh-man! You wouldn’t believe the speeds it reaches between houses.
As I understand it, the train will stop ~6 miles outside of Bakersfield. Some technical problems beyond their control.
Haven’t they been working on that train for almost 10 years by now?
Of course intermittent rail travel will only occur during daylight hours where most of the intermittent power for the rail is generated. Nothing happening at night.
How long will it take to get to the railway station?
How do you get there, walk, bicycle, horse and buggy?
Ditto at the other end of your trip.
In the UK we have a similar plans for HS2, (high speed).
It will cost a fortune to build, cost a fortune to ride, will save only a few minutes in travelling time and drop you off near where you don’t want to go. As well as destroying a swathe of beautiful countryside.
How will the electricity be generated to run the train at night when the wind does not low.
I can imagine the train needing to pull a battery the size of the train to keep it moving.
Don’t say you can swap batteries every so often, it will be like returning to the state-owned era with changing horses every few miles.
B….. Autofill
Does not blow
Stage coach
Although state-owned may also be apposite
The trains wouldn’t need a “battery the size of the train” as most bullet trains get their electricity from electrified lines (Japans shinkansen uses electrified lines with 25 kV AC over head power supply) – in other words the power is generated at a generating station and distributed to the trains. Therefore, in the green new deal, the “generating station” would be renewable wind and solar farms – so the train won’t be going very far when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing unless the station has a honking huge battery (but at least the train won’t have to be lugging that battery around)
These people are crazy – AND they’ve got an army of marching brooms that will apparently back them up no matter HOW crazy they are.
Seriously – they seem to be running on the platform of destroying the American lifestyle – to save the planet – yet seem to demand that same lifestyle as a right for everybody else – AFTER they’ve destroyed it.
I can’t wait for this Ocasio Cortez to start repeating the pattern of all her predecessors, when her twelve-year doomsday doesn’t materialize, she’ll change her story, say it’s another ten years off, or say that it actually IS happening – just slower – or off-screen somehow.
The possibility that she’ll actually learn enough to change her tune is absolutely zero.
Just think of the damage they’ll do should when they eventually regain full control of government. They do enough damage locally – and they’ve certainly poisoned a generation of school students.
See, THESE are the mechanisms of behavior-based extinction.
(Repost – but it fits even better here)
May explain why they are so eager to rid the population of guns – so as to monopolize violence for themselves.
I don’t see how America votes its way out of this mess.
Well, more like leaving the population defenseless.
In the name of ‘protection’.
And frighteningly, you’re right about the vote – if Ocasio-Cortez was the Democrat nominee, she would carry New York and California without a hitch.
Fortunately, she’s ineligible until 2024 at the earliest.
Supposedly, she has an economics degree, but it’s clear that the economics program at Boston U. is hopelessly dysfunctional if she graduated from there with a passing grade.
Don
I believe AOC is very illuminatory of our institutes of higher learning. The fact that she doesn’t know the first thing about economics but can recite liberal dogma at will is very indicative of her professors priorities.
“Fortunately, she’s ineligible until 2024 at the earliest.”
Who’s going to stop her?
Seriously, if she was to run and win, who’s going to say ‘nope, you’re not eligible, sorry’?
Law no longer exists in America. That’s been proven time and again over the last decade or so.
This GND is a gift to Trumplicans for 2020. It shows moderate Dems and Independents how completely off the sanity rails left wing Dems have gone. And look who has already declared for Dem pres candidate: Fauxcahontas, Horizontal Harris, Spartacus,…
We are going to run out of popcorn by end of 3 Nov 2020.
Instead of using dumb names to refer to politicians you dislike, why don’t you call them by their proper names, and show that you have some class, instead of coming off like an idiot?
It is not as if it is limited to one side in using dismissive nicknames. “Drumpf” , anyone?
It is, however, predominately on one side, though, isn’t it? Basically one guy has appeared on the scene and thrown it back on them.
The left hate, hate, hate seeing their own tactics used against them, don’t they?
Fauxcahontas earned her nickname the old-fashioned way, by lying through her teeth.
And Harris earned hers the hard way.
And Spartacus named himself.
Get a grip Dirkse, your snowflake is showing.
BTW David, save your hypocrite tears for someone that matters…Warren is done.
She has had so many lies exposed she has zero chance of even being on a debate stage, assuming they stick to the 5% polling support minimum.
Why is it that leftists have absolutely no self awareness?
Hey David – Perhaps you now see what Trump’s been illustrating by using your own tactics against you – and boy can you guys not take it.
I notice you jump right to your phony moral high-ground.
Sorry – you guys set the terms of this fight a long time ago.
I’m so conservative that I make some of you look like DFLers, but I don’t like the name calling either, regardless of whatever your political beliefs you hold. There are some exceptions, like Booker who gave himself the nickname “Spartacus”. But just because someone calls the president “Drumpf”, it does not make it any less childish to call Warren “Fauxcahontas”. There are plenty of legitimate issues to criticize these people over, so call them out on their lies and deceptions and disastrous policies, but please leave the juvenile taunts on the playground.
Well, um . . .
“Ninety-two percent of Democrats supported the idea, including 93 percent of liberal Democrats and 90 percent of moderate-to-conservative Democrats. But 64 percent of Republicans—including 75 percent of moderate-to-liberal Republicans and 57 percent of conservative Republicans—also backed the policy goals outlined in the Green New Deal.”
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/12/the-green-new-deal-is-really-popular-even-among-republicans
DeeDub is right – none of this is funny. Because they’re not kidding. We’ve already got one idiot on this thread claiming she’s got more intelligence than all of us combined.
Of course she’s got more intelligence than all of us combined. As a Congressprincess, she’s in the ruling class now, unlike us. The ruling class always does well under socialism.
No, not really. Polls were before details were published. People here “green” and think, oh, that sounds nice. Tell them you would take their cars and their beef and airplane travel away, and leave them intermittently in the dark and cold, and there would be a different result.
Who’s going to tell them?
Remember congress passed ObamaCare without ever learning what was in it.
Well, um
Per your referenced article, when asked (by the Yale climate change propagandists), 82% responded they they knew nothing about the new green deal. When pressed, 80% of the respondents then said that it sounded like a good thing.
So, you find a big portion of no-nuthings and ask them if “clean energy” is a good plan. They say YES. And you think that you have a good consensus.
The dems thought that for a while too. Then they cleansed the Ocawzio website when they realized they were only fooling themselves.
The dems thought that for a while too. Then they cleansed the Ocawzio website when they realized they were only fooling themselves.
Indeed, just as they did another Progressive rite a few decades ago. But lo, just those few decades later, it’s no longer unthinkable that a helpless infant living outside the womb should have his/her life terminated by the sacrificial knife of the Priests of Progressivism.
Not taking this woman seriously is a fool’s errand . . . more than irresponsible and wholly stupid of those who don’t.
My mother watches CNN and MSNBC (yeah, I know, don’t go there) and claims she saw not one thing about this all day today. Dems. are burying the story because it’s so embarassing.
Just imagine how embarassing it would be as their candidate’s platform in 2020 . . .
Dems. are burying the story because it’s so embarassing.
Interesting proposition:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/08/green-new-deal-ocasio-cortez-pelosi-marquez-ebof-dnt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/green-new-deal-details/index.html
Full 20 minute interview with [Up]Chuck Todd:
https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/full-interview-rep-ocasio-cortez-on-the-democratic-party-green-new-deal-2020-candidates-1439077443625
Full 6 minute press conference:
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/can-the-green-new-deal-change-everything-1439226947892
Burying a dozer with a spoon I guess . . . ?
DeeDub, I don’t buy it. All of the Republicans think its nuts. Not one supports the green new deal.
“Eighty-two percent of Americans say they have heard “nothing at all” about the sweeping proposal to generate 100 percent of the nation’s electricity from clean sources within the next 10 years, upgrade the United States’ power grid, invest in energy efficiency and renewable technology, and provide training for jobs in the new, green economy.”
82% of Americans haven’t heard of the green new deal, but 90%+\- support it when it is explained to them.
Got it.
Yes, Garland and Don, now that the utter insanity of it is out there for all to see (prompting AOC’s website to promptly remove it), the Republicans — and soon enough most Democrats — will run from it like the economic plague that it is.
Which is to say that AOC could well have done the country and the rest of the world a great favor by laying it on the line as to what absurd measures would be required to prevent the equal absurdity of manmade CO2 ending the world in 12 years.
Thank you, dear girl, now go away. And let us warm ourselves by the precious fires of fossil fuels until their services to humanity have been replaced by energy sources that are genuinely better in cost and performance.
“Thank you, dear girl, now go away.”
I think that is the proper sentiment.
I noticed Nancy Pelosi referred to the Green New Deal and the Green Dream. Nancy pointed out how others were excited about it, but didn’t include herself in that group.
Rep. Ocasio’s obviously unattainable GND goals are a gift to conservatives. Let the derision begin. No airplanes? No cars? These ideas are going to crash and burn after a little public scrutiny. This bill may not even pass in the Democrat House. It’s full of loony ideas and Democrats who promote it are going to look loony, too.
No phone, no lights no motor cars, Not a single luxury. Like Robinson Crusoe, As primative as can be.
AOC is Gilligan. (sorry, Bob Denver, I owe you and your character a massive apology).
Don’t underestimate the power of the greenies who have been brought up and educated with the religion of green energy and global warming. A court in Australia has just turned down a proposed coal plant because of climate change. The greenies will turn America into Venezuela with their last shivering breath caused by a future polar vortex. America and the free world are doomed.
America and the free world are only doomed if saner heads shrug their shoulders and let the greens get away with it.
It’s an article from Mother Jones, hardly a paragon of objective reporting.
Well um…
Mother Jones.
Anyone stupid enough to believe anything printed by MotherJones deserves to be laughably misinformed.
Golly, DeeDub, are you really so easy to dupe?
Aah, I see you were being sarcastic.
Just so hard to tell anymore, when the people that buy this ridiculous nonsense sound like they must be joking when they are being sincere.
Some of the conversations I had today on Twitter were mind bending.
Again, thank you, dear girl, though to read the article linked below is to prefer that she be propped up in a chair someplace prominent in the Capitol and encouraged to keep talking until the 2020 elections:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-07/meet-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-republicans-secret-weapon-2020
This GND is a gift to Trumplicans for 2020.
Perhaps for now. But then I remember all through the 90’s I used to laugh at a certain conservative radio talk show host when he did his “Environmentalist Wacko Updates” skits.
You could laugh then because they just wanted to do it . . .
“There are numerous socialist policies mandated under the Green New Deal that would harm tens of millions Americans and drive up the national debt to unsustainable heights. Just some of those policies include single-payer health care, a national tuition-free college program, a promise to provide every American with ‘healthy food,’ a national basic income program, a universal promise for housing and ‘economic security,’ and a plan to ‘upgrade’ every single building in the country, including every American’s home.“
I love all of that. It neednt drive up the national debt though. Simply create the money without taxes or borrowing, taxing only as needed to control inflation, using the countries vast natural assets as reserves to back the country (land, energy, water, food, minerals, forests)
Go back and formalize a new Bretton Woods to fix currencies exchange rates based on agreement for currency creation as a percentage of each nations proven resources
As for elimination of carbon based energy. Pure hogwash. Focus on infrastructure development and manufacturing the things we use to avoid too many . imports. That is thtown in their to enforce more austerity measures and controls. Its a trap and the rest is bait. Keep the bait and avoid the trap.
So you can just create trillions of dollars of fiat money, and it won’t have any impact on the economy?
Tell that to the Wiemar Republic, and Venezuela.
Last week we could not afford a wall that cost less than the fight by leftists to prevent it.
This week umpteen bajillion dollars to rebuild the entire country and outlaw everything from milk and cheese to planes and cars…well, that much is chump change we can easily afford by ramping up the printing press at the mint.
I am wondering who is going to rebuild every structure in the country if they are guaranteed a cushy life of abject laziness if they do not feel like working?
Makes me lazy just writing about it.
She has no idea of how the economy works.
She has no understanding of how manufacturing works.
She has no understanding of how the economy works.
She has no understanding of our dependency on energy.
She has no understanding of from where we get energy.
She has no understanding of how the world works.
She has understanding of how dancing
I’ve heard she can make a mean cup of coffee. But only if you give her a big tip.
She has no understanding of global warming, climate change, climate disruption…I wish someone would just ask her some basic questions about climate change (CO2 etc.). Someone like Ted Cruz, not letting her get away with her wrong, non answers or out and out lies.
I wish someone would ask her some basic questions about basic climate, period. Forget about “change”. Bet she has no idea what causes the winds, ocean currents, etc. Probably hasn’t a clue what latitude is, etc. And then someone could always pin her on what the ideal or “normal” levels of CO2, sea level, etc. are. Nobody has an answer for that.
she went to BU
Eric,
Yeah…but Science!
This is the sage wisdom of a aging bartender…
Lets see, the World Trade Center collapsed in 2001, and the replacement building didn’t open until near the end of 2014.
That is just one building. And she wants to rid the US of every building, every reliable power plant and every aircraft, replace it with ???? all within ten years – and do it with unionized labor.
If she is the model of the intelligence of the Millennial generation, is there anyone within that generation that can design anything other than a mobile app? How exactly does that Phd in romantic comedies translate into any useful skill in forming this Utopia?
I’m still laughing at how comprehensively stupid the “high-speed rail” across the ocean is.
It would cost less just to remove the co2 from atmosphere. And that would be waste of money too !
If the Russians are looking for a useful idiot they need look no further than A O-C.
All it will take is that 51 % of the voting population to be taken in by the promise of the “Free things “and you will have your Green revolution. All it needs is a few millions of “of the so called “Refuges from South America and other parts of the world, and her “Dream” will come true.
Whilst from our point of view her in Australia there are faults with the USA system, overall its a good system and most important it actually works.
MJE
The original New Deal can be argued about ’til the cows come home. It may, or may not, have prevented the growth of a Communist party in America. I know folks who were raised on the Great Plains during the dirty thirties. It was really miserable. People might have supported a tyrant who promised to make things better. The thing that ended unemployment was WW2. Nobody argues with that.
There is no need now for a New Deal. The economy is doing great and unemployment is at record lows. link The only people who would support a New Deal are the deluded and those who think the world owes them a living.
The Communist party was thwarted by having most of it’s platform adopted and enacted by one of the major parties.
The people did support a tyrant.
For a brief time in the 1950s and 1960s, America was a workers’ paradise, then the workers were betrayed by the Democrats.
The only reason why it was a workers paradise was because the rest of the industrialized west was still rebuilding from WWII.
It was a period that could not last.
Had industry taken the money that was being earned and invested it in new plants and equipment, the good times could have continued.
Unfortunately they used it to buy labor peace instead.
As a result, when Europe and Japan finished rebuilding, their brand spanking new factories easily out competed the 30 and 40 year old factories still being used in the US.
Labor’s solution was to ban all competition in a desperate attempt to keep the gravy train going.
Without cows:
A bacon-cheese burger would be just bacon and cheese.
Where would the cheese come from?
Madness in Australia.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/we-won-landmark-climate-ruling-as-nsw-court-rejects-coal-mine-20190207-p50wer.html
Australia is winning the race to the bottom!
The coal fired power plants and natural gas fiord power plants should not have to shut down. They should only have to reduce their emissions. Even though I developed these technologies in Canada they are now with me in the USA. The coal plants can emit no vapor emissions whatsoever with the ZECCOM™¹(Zero Emissions Coal Combustion) Process, and with no vapor emissions there would be no reason to shut them down. The natural gas fired power plants, can emit no vapor emissions whatsoever with the ZENGCOM™¹ (Zero Emissions Natural Gas Combustion) Process, and with no emissions there would be no logical reason for shutting them down.
Yes, but there are socialists. Logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead.
Feed your head…
They follow the advice of the white rabbit.
…would that make Pelosi the Red Queen?
Zero emission coal and NG. Sounds Good!
You specifically say “no vapor emissions”. Are you talking about water vapor?
The emission of interest in the GND is carbon dioxide, which is a gas not a “vapor”.
Please endeavor to be accurate in your communications here.
If you really are proposing carbon dioxide free fossil fuel system, we would all love to hear all about it.
In the meantime, I would like to hook you up with one Sid Abma, who comes by here from time to time to pester us.
Here is his latest video explaining his “clean coal” plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQRQ7S92_lo
Enjoy.
How about we save a whole bunch of money on top, and ditch your ZEECOM. Then all will be right with the world. Honestly, it takes a special brand of stupid to buy into carbon capture and sequestration.
Hahaha, hohoho, and a couple of ladidas,
That’s how we pass the day away in the merry of land of Oz
(not Australia, the fictional Oz)
The Plan would guarantee “a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States.” Irresistible, and very promising.
This comes from people who have successfully redefined “marriage”, “science”, “peer review”, and “free speech”. Conclusion: “family-sustaining”, “adequate”, and “retirement security” will follow.
Something as ridiculous as this absolutely requires a blithering idiot to introduce it.
Thank God our founding fathers made it difficult to get legislation enacted. This is exactly what they were trying to prevent or slow down. These progressives would shove this down our throats today if they could. The founding fathers were brilliant.
By comparison, AOC is making Charles Manson look sane.