Apparently the European colonizers killed so many natives that farm land reverted to forests causing a drop in CO2 that caused the Little Ice Age. So I guess there is nothing that little molecule is not capable of doing.
A claim which assumes tens of millions of Native Americans rather than the more usual, much smaller estimates and ignores the stories of endless forests told by the European colonisers!
Many estimates say that around half of what became the US was covered by forest with the rest desert, mountain and prairie. The claim that there were large areas of farmland that become forest goes against every bit of evidence we have.
my husband really wants a t-shirt that says “save the paradise meadows, burn the trees”… that’s what the Indians did, because it was their summer hunting ground on Mt. Rainier.
Many indians were nomadic.
At the same time the indian farms were allegedly returning to nature, Colonists in north and south America were creating their own farms, and farms throughout the rest of the world were increasing in size to support growing populations.
So we need a study that shows that Native American cultivation caused the Medieval Warm Period. That would be just what the CAGWers would want. Man caused every change in climate since the Paleozoic Era.
Wasn’t it just 3 years ago that the Great Lakes were covered with ice, and snow-plowed parking lots in Massachusetts had snow mounds into July?
Mark
February 2, 2019 2:27 am
This is weather as usual for the Great Lakes. It was just a few short years ago that all five Great Lakes froze over completely, two years in succession. The media hype is to promote fear of the Boggy man and sell their news feeds and papers.
Yeah, all of it is weather as usual for the past century. Niagara falls will probably freeze up entirely again this year. Almost all of the warning the CAGW folk are going on about took place before 1940 when CO2 was ~300ppm . We then decended into a deep cooling for more than 30yrs.that had a lot of the present stuff. It has been adjusted beyond any real use making progress 8n the science impossible so it stands there on hope and a prayer.
I cannot believe that the temperature scale in Celsius is very accurate for the UK we are quite cold and we have had snow ,one day this week in Lincoln we had a very cold day minimum temp minus 5.6 Celsius and maximum temperature minus 1.6 Celsius and it was even colder in other parts of the UK so I am confused by this.
It’s hilarious. The Weather Channel feed that my iPhone uses for the Weather app currently shows 10F with a projected low of 23F and high of 31F.
(Currently-12C, projected low -5C, high -1C)
In other words, current reported temperature is 13 degrees F BELOW today’s LOW temperature!
Cool video. Literally. Time-lapse photography reveals our intrinsic blindness to natural events, caused by our built-in clocks, which make us blind to natural event signals outside of a rather narrow temporal range, with a center frequency on the order of 1 second.
in newfangled format my pc wont run;-(
I loved the pics a few yrs ago of ice “walking” up onto shorelines like giant shards of glass with similar sound to glass breaking also
awesome force behind it I didnt imagine.
I’ve put off upgrading just for that reason. Windows won’t update Windows XP anymore. Windows 7 is the most straighforward, least intrusive of my options for upgrade and it is still being updated by Microsoft.
I do have a Windows 10 machine, also, but my older pc has all the good programs on it I’ve collected over all these years. Most of them will probably run without a problem on Windows 7. Windows 10 operates in a much different manner.
I’ve just upgraded back to DOS. Everything works fine and I don’t need antivirus or a mouse.
Kurt in Switzerland
February 2, 2019 3:41 am
Suggestion for Anthony:
Seems we need a new parameter to track the polar vortex phenomenon: number of severe polar vortex days affecting the populated N. American Continent (e.g., periods of > 24h showing a Temperature Anomaly > 10 deg. C below the 50th parallel, or something like that).
Only two decades ago, we were all told that Winters would become progressively milder, that severe winter storms would become more rare, not more common; that snow would be a thing of the past, that children wouldn’t be able to go sledding …
Over the past decade we’ve seen alternating mild and severe snowfall, sometimes warmer than usual, sometimes colder than usual, sometimes smack dab in the middle. But the tendency of seeing extreme cold snaps increase in frequency seems to have caught most experts ‘off guard’.
Climate scientists aren’t sure whether this is just ‘weather’ or if it’s evidence of the dreaded ‘[human-caused] climate change’, although the MSM ensures us day in / day out that this proclivity to experience extreme cold weather is itself evidence of [anthropogenic global warming].
Does anyone know whether the ‘polar vortex’ [becoming unstable] phenomenon can be parsed out of the meteo record, e.g., for N. America? It would be instructive to see what the historical record shows.
I think calling it “winter” would be more useful.
The alarmists are just indulging in a little magical thinking.
If they rename “winter” into “Polar Vortex”, then it sounds more sciencey and dangerous.
I would suggest following:
If there is a sudden cold snap with large snow falls in mid-west USA and temperature in Anchorage, Alaska is noticeably higher than in Chicago, through January and early February then it is most likely caused by a weak/splitting polar vortex. Most likely years are during decline in solar max (strong CMS) and at the time of solar minimum (prominent coronal holes, and high GCR penetrations). These alternate on average every 5 to 6 years, recently notable ones were 2004, 2009, 2014, and 2019.
I’m currently away from my desktop ( posting comments from my hand held phone) but when I get back home I will look at data to see if there is any correlation.
@Kurt “Does anyone know whether the ‘polar vortex’ [becoming unstable] phenomenon can be parsed out of the meteo record, e.g., for N. America? It would be instructive to see what the historical record shows.”
Thanks for the ref. I hadn’t looked at the Spencer/Christy post yet.
What they presented certainly suggests that there isn’t a positive correlation between “winter cold spells” in the Central & Eastern USA and increased human CO2 emissions.
But in the context of attempting to understand anomalous winter storm frequency, wouldn’t it be a sensible goal for those studying climate to define what constitutes ‘weather weirding’ (i.e., anomalous polar vortex wobble), so we at least have a basis for discourse?
But Heller correctly points out what Climate Scientists told us loudly between a decade and two decades ago: winters were supposed to become more mild.
Polar Vortex seem to be the perfect warmist meme. Whether we show they are becoming more frequent, or not, then someone will say: “Yes, we warned you that CO2 would cause this”.
I’m not sure that there is such a thing as ‘abnormal vortex wobble’. I believe it all falls under ‘natural variance’. And we have seen this before, before CO2 became a ‘menace’.
Toss a coin ten thousand times. You will get a few long runs of heads, a few of tails, some repeating patterns, some alternating patterns. You might get a run of three heads, one tail, four heads, one tail, five heads, and nine tails (3.14159, pi).
Does any of it constitue ‘flipping weirdness’? If it does, does it mean anything?
What were the CO2 concentrations during the coin toss?… The Temperature variances and humidity? The effect by CO2 on human behavior while observing coin tossing, etc.
Don’t forget to apply for a grant when you ask these important scientific sounding questions.
Choo choo… Gravy train comin’ through.
Sara
February 2, 2019 4:23 am
Nice video, but nothing remarkable about it. Lots of ice and snow up here where I live. Lake Michi Gamu freezing is a regular occurrence. I’d be more interested in videos of sieches, because some of them are absolutely spectacular.
I have ice floe photos on Lake Michi Gamu from prior years. I keep hoping I’ll find just that perfect image of a polar bear that I can add to a couple of them, sitting on the floe, moving south toward Chicago.
No, our billionaire practical jokers are too busy releasing ravenous Socialists on our country to eat all of us.
hunter
February 2, 2019 4:34 am
The climate consensus continues its retreat from reality and migration into magical thinking.
What we are experiencing is called “winter”.
“Polar vortex” is an emergent physical attribute of winter.
Every dramatic cold snap ever, and they have happened since records have been kept, due to a “polar vortex”.
Now the climate consensus hypesters want to pretend this a new phenomenon.
The irony of this deceptive magical climate thinking is multi-faceted, but for starters have the fear mongers considered the origins of the Great Lakes?
Precisely. This looks a lot like ‘goal post migration’ by the alarmist, anti CO2 crowd.
The climate concerned are so used to reading chicken little inspired headlines, they have convinced themselves that everything which seems odd [to them] must be a result of increased human GHG emissions. Throw out historical records.
All the more reason to define a parameter which describes the phenomenon of interest.
Battling headlines might go on unendlessly, depending on who’s doing the cherry-picking.
Right on Hunter. What a bunch of goofballs are in the climate warming herd. It’s all about money and politics.
Tom Abbott
February 2, 2019 6:32 am
Punxsutawney Phil came out of his burrow this morning and did not see his shadow and says we should expect an early spring this year. This is the 19th time out of 133 years of predictions that Phil has predicted an early spring, instead of his usual prediction of six more weeks of winter weather.
I hope Phil is right. I’m tired of this cold weather, even if it’s not really that cold where I live. 🙂
I guess you didn’t hear the news yet. This year the ground hog was replaced by newly elected Congress woman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. If she see her shadow it six more years of Nancy Pelosi.
Sara
February 2, 2019 8:16 am
Has anyone told these CO2 phobics that they should reduce their respiration output, because every time they breathe, every time they speak, every time they run – guess what? They produce high volumes of CO2!!!!
Every word you speak, every breath you take, I’ll be watching you! (I forget who wrote that song. Sorry.)
I think this is from my building! 5445 N. Sheridan, amazing…
Rod Evans
February 2, 2019 10:09 am
Maybe someone should remind all the hot air AGW hucksters, their shouting and pontification is a prime source of the dreaded CO2 they hate so much. If they could just learn to stop talking, and certainly stop touring round the world pointlessly telling everyone we must cut CO2 that would be progress.
If it was, it could have been shot yesterday anyway. I recognize my neighbors across at 5455 N. Sheridan, and I assure you, there is lots of ice on Lake Michigan today. That view is my exact view.
The Arctic air already reaches Montana and North Dakota.
Tombstone Gabby
February 3, 2019 12:32 pm
I seem to recall that there is (was?) a betting pool on what date the iron ore carriers could start hauling after the ice had started to diminish. Has anyone kept track of the actual dates over the years? Any indication of a trend?
Interesting – but just maximum ice shown and only since the 1970’s. However, being NOAA (Government) – staid, upstanding etc – their official site doesn’t seem to cover the annual breakup dates. Understandable. However, there’s a list of ‘Contacts’ = I might try an email to see if anyone can point me in the right direction. Or – contact one of the shipping companies – and probably get referred to a deckhand on one of the carriers. Thanks for the ‘heads up’ – I’ve added that URL to the list to be monitored…..
Proof of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming!
Interesting article in MSN.com.
European colonizers’ mass killing of Native Americans caused change in climate: study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/european-colonizers-mass-killing-of-native-americans-caused-change-in-climate-study/ar-BBT3Up2?ocid=spartanntp
Apparently the European colonizers killed so many natives that farm land reverted to forests causing a drop in CO2 that caused the Little Ice Age. So I guess there is nothing that little molecule is not capable of doing.
A claim which assumes tens of millions of Native Americans rather than the more usual, much smaller estimates and ignores the stories of endless forests told by the European colonisers!
Many estimates say that around half of what became the US was covered by forest with the rest desert, mountain and prairie. The claim that there were large areas of farmland that become forest goes against every bit of evidence we have.
no, America was densely populated and cultivated. Especially Central America
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/77055/mayan-farming-modern-farming-land-use-in-central-america
And North American Native Americans did lots of land management burning to clear underbrush in forests to encourage animals they killed for food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire_in_ecosystems
European diseases preceded European colonization and caused the collapse of Native American agriculture and forest management.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippian_culture
So America was not a pristine wilderness when Europeans arrived.
my husband really wants a t-shirt that says “save the paradise meadows, burn the trees”… that’s what the Indians did, because it was their summer hunting ground on Mt. Rainier.
Many indians were nomadic.
At the same time the indian farms were allegedly returning to nature, Colonists in north and south America were creating their own farms, and farms throughout the rest of the world were increasing in size to support growing populations.
So we need a study that shows that Native American cultivation caused the Medieval Warm Period. That would be just what the CAGWers would want. Man caused every change in climate since the Paleozoic Era.
I strongly suspect that the molecule primarily responsible for new doom and gloom papers is not CO₂, but C₂H₅OH.
I see what you did there. Also known as EtOH.
Wasn’t it just 3 years ago that the Great Lakes were covered with ice, and snow-plowed parking lots in Massachusetts had snow mounds into July?
This is weather as usual for the Great Lakes. It was just a few short years ago that all five Great Lakes froze over completely, two years in succession. The media hype is to promote fear of the Boggy man and sell their news feeds and papers.
Yeah, all of it is weather as usual for the past century. Niagara falls will probably freeze up entirely again this year. Almost all of the warning the CAGW folk are going on about took place before 1940 when CO2 was ~300ppm . We then decended into a deep cooling for more than 30yrs.that had a lot of the present stuff. It has been adjusted beyond any real use making progress 8n the science impossible so it stands there on hope and a prayer.
I thought the left-wing media loved the Boggy man.
Isn’t he the guy that takes all of that evil carbon pollution and ties it up in peat marshes?
The Dutch love skating, MeToo. Guess we could use some global warming :/
Ice age doesn’t start in Arctic ocean. New ice age will start in great lakes of North America.
That’s it, cheer us all up when all we want is a bit of real, as opposed to fictional, warming. It’s brass monkeys here.
Regards.
The cold air remains in the northeast of the US.
Please confirm that those are degrees Celsius!
Actually, there is a still bit of much colder Arctic freezing lurking in the North Central US. As this global view, in Fahrenheit, shows. (With some circulation animation thrown in too.)
https://www.windy.com/-Temperature-temp?temp,2019-02-08-12,50.458,-62.051,3,i:temp
I cannot believe that the temperature scale in Celsius is very accurate for the UK we are quite cold and we have had snow ,one day this week in Lincoln we had a very cold day minimum temp minus 5.6 Celsius and maximum temperature minus 1.6 Celsius and it was even colder in other parts of the UK so I am confused by this.
Current temperature (F) in the Northeast.
If the temp is at -40, Celsius and Fahrenheit are the same.
Not much point. They are both the same at -40
It’s hilarious. The Weather Channel feed that my iPhone uses for the Weather app currently shows 10F with a projected low of 23F and high of 31F.
(Currently-12C, projected low -5C, high -1C)
In other words, current reported temperature is 13 degrees F BELOW today’s LOW temperature!
Incomptence, agenda, or both?
Yeah my spelling competence is in question.
Cool video. Literally. Time-lapse photography reveals our intrinsic blindness to natural events, caused by our built-in clocks, which make us blind to natural event signals outside of a rather narrow temporal range, with a center frequency on the order of 1 second.
Yeah, people are generally oblivious to history and others like Elizabeth Warren seek to capitalize on that ignorance.
I saw where a guy named his Jeep, Elizabeth. He said it’s white but thinks it’s a Cherokee.
Ross Kaminsky did: https://khow.iheart.com/featured/ross-kaminsky/
LOL, that is so classic.
in newfangled format my pc wont run;-(
I loved the pics a few yrs ago of ice “walking” up onto shorelines like giant shards of glass with similar sound to glass breaking also
awesome force behind it I didnt imagine.
“in newfangled format my pc wont run;-(”
I’m having that trouble, too. I guess I’m going to have to upgrade to Windows 7. 🙂
You mean *downgrade* – every new version seems to remove something I use and to hide settings I want to change.
I’ve put off upgrading just for that reason. Windows won’t update Windows XP anymore. Windows 7 is the most straighforward, least intrusive of my options for upgrade and it is still being updated by Microsoft.
I do have a Windows 10 machine, also, but my older pc has all the good programs on it I’ve collected over all these years. Most of them will probably run without a problem on Windows 7. Windows 10 operates in a much different manner.
I’ve just upgraded back to DOS. Everything works fine and I don’t need antivirus or a mouse.
Suggestion for Anthony:
Seems we need a new parameter to track the polar vortex phenomenon: number of severe polar vortex days affecting the populated N. American Continent (e.g., periods of > 24h showing a Temperature Anomaly > 10 deg. C below the 50th parallel, or something like that).
Only two decades ago, we were all told that Winters would become progressively milder, that severe winter storms would become more rare, not more common; that snow would be a thing of the past, that children wouldn’t be able to go sledding …
Over the past decade we’ve seen alternating mild and severe snowfall, sometimes warmer than usual, sometimes colder than usual, sometimes smack dab in the middle. But the tendency of seeing extreme cold snaps increase in frequency seems to have caught most experts ‘off guard’.
Climate scientists aren’t sure whether this is just ‘weather’ or if it’s evidence of the dreaded ‘[human-caused] climate change’, although the MSM ensures us day in / day out that this proclivity to experience extreme cold weather is itself evidence of [anthropogenic global warming].
Does anyone know whether the ‘polar vortex’ [becoming unstable] phenomenon can be parsed out of the meteo record, e.g., for N. America? It would be instructive to see what the historical record shows.
I think calling it “winter” would be more useful.
The alarmists are just indulging in a little magical thinking.
If they rename “winter” into “Polar Vortex”, then it sounds more sciencey and dangerous.
Today’s polar vortex is yesterday’s winter weather. After many warm spells, winter seems to be back to the coldest ones that I recall as a youth.
I would suggest following:
If there is a sudden cold snap with large snow falls in mid-west USA and temperature in Anchorage, Alaska is noticeably higher than in Chicago, through January and early February then it is most likely caused by a weak/splitting polar vortex. Most likely years are during decline in solar max (strong CMS) and at the time of solar minimum (prominent coronal holes, and high GCR penetrations). These alternate on average every 5 to 6 years, recently notable ones were 2004, 2009, 2014, and 2019.
I’m currently away from my desktop ( posting comments from my hand held phone) but when I get back home I will look at data to see if there is any correlation.
You also might look at numerous comments on the polar vortex properties and consequences here
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/01/if-the-polar-vortex-is-due-to-global-warming-why-are-u-s-cold-waves-decreasing/#comment-2612829
@Kurt
“Does anyone know whether the ‘polar vortex’ [becoming unstable] phenomenon can be parsed out of the meteo record, e.g., for N. America? It would be instructive to see what the historical record shows.”
In the mid-latitutes, these frigid blasts cannot be explained merely by the Sun’s lower position in the sky during the winter. An Arctic intrusion is necessarily involved. Roy Spencer and John Christy presented some data here yesterday, which plotted these cold waves in the U.S. since the late 19th century:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/02/01/if-the-polar-vortex-is-due-to-global-warming-why-are-u-s-cold-waves-decreasing/
@Johanus,
Thanks for the ref. I hadn’t looked at the Spencer/Christy post yet.
What they presented certainly suggests that there isn’t a positive correlation between “winter cold spells” in the Central & Eastern USA and increased human CO2 emissions.
But in the context of attempting to understand anomalous winter storm frequency, wouldn’t it be a sensible goal for those studying climate to define what constitutes ‘weather weirding’ (i.e., anomalous polar vortex wobble), so we at least have a basis for discourse?
I see that Tony Heller recently dealt with the subject.
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/01/the-danger-of-data-tampering/
This would appear to suggest that cold snaps in the Midwester USA are actually becoming MORE frequent, rather than less frequent.
But Heller correctly points out what Climate Scientists told us loudly between a decade and two decades ago: winters were supposed to become more mild.
Polar Vortex seem to be the perfect warmist meme. Whether we show they are becoming more frequent, or not, then someone will say: “Yes, we warned you that CO2 would cause this”.
I’m not sure that there is such a thing as ‘abnormal vortex wobble’. I believe it all falls under ‘natural variance’. And we have seen this before, before CO2 became a ‘menace’.
Toss a coin ten thousand times. You will get a few long runs of heads, a few of tails, some repeating patterns, some alternating patterns. You might get a run of three heads, one tail, four heads, one tail, five heads, and nine tails (3.14159, pi).
Does any of it constitue ‘flipping weirdness’? If it does, does it mean anything?
What were the CO2 concentrations during the coin toss?… The Temperature variances and humidity? The effect by CO2 on human behavior while observing coin tossing, etc.
Don’t forget to apply for a grant when you ask these important scientific sounding questions.
Choo choo… Gravy train comin’ through.
Nice video, but nothing remarkable about it. Lots of ice and snow up here where I live. Lake Michi Gamu freezing is a regular occurrence. I’d be more interested in videos of sieches, because some of them are absolutely spectacular.
I have ice floe photos on Lake Michi Gamu from prior years. I keep hoping I’ll find just that perfect image of a polar bear that I can add to a couple of them, sitting on the floe, moving south toward Chicago.
I kind of like this one. Looks like he want to go somewhere, maybe to Chicago.
https://polarbearsinternational.org/news/article-research/pollution-in-polar-bears/
I wish there were a billionaire practical joker that would release one of his pet polar bears some night on the Chicago shores of Lake Michigan.
No, our billionaire practical jokers are too busy releasing ravenous Socialists on our country to eat all of us.
The climate consensus continues its retreat from reality and migration into magical thinking.
What we are experiencing is called “winter”.
“Polar vortex” is an emergent physical attribute of winter.
Every dramatic cold snap ever, and they have happened since records have been kept, due to a “polar vortex”.
Now the climate consensus hypesters want to pretend this a new phenomenon.
The irony of this deceptive magical climate thinking is multi-faceted, but for starters have the fear mongers considered the origins of the Great Lakes?
@ hunter –
Precisely. This looks a lot like ‘goal post migration’ by the alarmist, anti CO2 crowd.
The climate concerned are so used to reading chicken little inspired headlines, they have convinced themselves that everything which seems odd [to them] must be a result of increased human GHG emissions. Throw out historical records.
All the more reason to define a parameter which describes the phenomenon of interest.
Battling headlines might go on unendlessly, depending on who’s doing the cherry-picking.
The term polar vortex seems to go back to at least 1853 as mentioned in E. Little’s Living Age.
Littell’s
Right on Hunter. What a bunch of goofballs are in the climate warming herd. It’s all about money and politics.
Punxsutawney Phil came out of his burrow this morning and did not see his shadow and says we should expect an early spring this year. This is the 19th time out of 133 years of predictions that Phil has predicted an early spring, instead of his usual prediction of six more weeks of winter weather.
I hope Phil is right. I’m tired of this cold weather, even if it’s not really that cold where I live. 🙂
If Phil were to wear a MAGA hat, would he see his shadow?
Probably. Those who wear MAGA hats usually see the light, and thus, a shadow as well.
I guess you didn’t hear the news yet. This year the ground hog was replaced by newly elected Congress woman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. If she see her shadow it six more years of Nancy Pelosi.
Has anyone told these CO2 phobics that they should reduce their respiration output, because every time they breathe, every time they speak, every time they run – guess what? They produce high volumes of CO2!!!!
Every word you speak, every breath you take, I’ll be watching you! (I forget who wrote that song. Sorry.)
Sara, the song is called “Every Breath You Take” performed by “The Police” and written by Sting and it appeared on their “Synchronicity” album.
Great song and you were close to the lyrics…they actually go like this.
Every breath you take, Every move you make, Every bond you break, Every step you take,
I’ll be watching you.
Thanks! It’s still applicable to the zombies on the CAGWierd side of the fence.
Current Ice Cover Conditions
This is not the end of the harsh winter in North America.
I think this is from my building! 5445 N. Sheridan, amazing…
Maybe someone should remind all the hot air AGW hucksters, their shouting and pontification is a prime source of the dreaded CO2 they hate so much. If they could just learn to stop talking, and certainly stop touring round the world pointlessly telling everyone we must cut CO2 that would be progress.
Video is from January 2016, no?
Uploaded on January 22, 2016
See under the original
If it was, it could have been shot yesterday anyway. I recognize my neighbors across at 5455 N. Sheridan, and I assure you, there is lots of ice on Lake Michigan today. That view is my exact view.
In two days, the Arctic air will return to the Midwest.
The Arctic air already reaches Montana and North Dakota.
I seem to recall that there is (was?) a betting pool on what date the iron ore carriers could start hauling after the ice had started to diminish. Has anyone kept track of the actual dates over the years? Any indication of a trend?
Not exactly what you’re looking for, but…
https://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/ice/historicalAnim/
Interesting – but just maximum ice shown and only since the 1970’s. However, being NOAA (Government) – staid, upstanding etc – their official site doesn’t seem to cover the annual breakup dates. Understandable. However, there’s a list of ‘Contacts’ = I might try an email to see if anyone can point me in the right direction. Or – contact one of the shipping companies – and probably get referred to a deckhand on one of the carriers. Thanks for the ‘heads up’ – I’ve added that URL to the list to be monitored…..