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h/t Breitbart – President Trump blocked Nancy Pelosi and her entourage from using an Airforce jet for a seven day tour of Europe, Egypt and Afghanistan – though he suggested they could book commercial flights if they want.
President Trump apparently caught Democrats by surprise – their Air Force bus was photographed circling Capitol Hill after President Trump’s order.
Bus for lawmakers on Pelosi’s codel is circling Capitol Hill, awaiting some definitive answers. pic.twitter.com/bpSpPeCZOk
— Leo Shane III (@LeoShane) January 17, 2019
Members including House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff getting off the bus in front of the Capitol. pic.twitter.com/G6JMtVCg8h
— Jason Donner (@jason_donner) January 17, 2019
I am sure you will all join me in commending President Trump for helping Nancy Pelosi and her fellow Democrats avoid the hideous carbon cost they would have incurred, had they used an airforce jet for their world tour.
House Democrats no doubt deep down appreciate President Trump’s reminder of their climate responsibilities; Nancy Pelosi and her fellow Democrat’s believe that climate change is an existential crisis.
I am very surprised that the Dems are playing politics with the southern border. After all, they have previously voted to approve funding for the existing fence and wall. It is a legitimate security threat to the homeland, and God forbid that some malicious evil force doesn’t breech the porous border and do significant damage in an attack against the country. Then the Dems would wear that through the next election cycle, handing another larger win to Trump in 2020. Why would they risk that kind of total defeat, because they want to play politics against Trump on any issue they can? Anyway, it was an election pledge to the people that a wall would get built if DJT won the election! And he won fair and square the Presidency. Arguing the election results perpetually via blocking of the legitimate will of the people in the election of Trump is a recipe for disaster.
That the Democrats don’t understand or take seriously the terror threat is astonishing. Let’s hope that nothing untoward happens in continental USA because of this political spat, because it will go very, very bad for all future Democrats if their actions wind up causing harm to the people or infrastructure of the USA. I would suggest the Dems would be wise to find a reason to support a hardened southern border, if they really are patriots who want to secure the country. Controling one’s own border’s are in part what define a country, and the majority of USA citizens want a safe and secure border. This is elementary common sense. Why play politics with an apple pie motherhood issue? In the final analysis, IMHO, and notwithstanding the partial Govt shutdown, the porous southern border is a tragedy of unrealistic immigration, but on a more dangerous larger level, a threat of international terrorism to the USA is just being invited to arrive on these shores. Not to mention the human smuggling epidemic and criminal drug smuggling and money laundering. This has to be a net negative for the Democrats in the long term.
“Why would they risk that kind of total defeat, because they want to play politics against Trump on any issue they can?”
That’s what they are doing. They think resisting Trump at every turn is a political wimmer. It may impress their radical base but I don’t think moderates and independents will be swayed by this kind of behavior.
The real problem the Democrats have with Trump is that Trump is successfully undoing their liberal/socialist agenda and the Democrats fear he will continue doing this if they don’t put up a fight. And he will. So the Democrats are actually in a battle for the hearts and minds of Americans and they see themselves losing as long as Trump is in charge. And they are correct.
Trump is an existential threat to socialism. That’s why the socialists are fighting back so hard. They don’t want to become irrelevant and there is a chance that may happen. For example, Trump now has 50 percent support in the Hispanic community. This and many other signs have the Democrats panicked about their agenda going forward.
Conservatism is winning in the United States. The Democrats don’t like it one bit because it is a rejection of the Democrat agenda. So they mindlessly resist anything and everything Trump. It’s kind of pathetic really.
“The real problem the Democrats have with Trump is that Trump is successfully undoing their liberal/socialist agenda and the Democrats fear he will continue doing this if they don’t put up a fight.” Actually, the more they fight the more he gets done, if they were to simply stop fighting the momentum would fall.
French Mr. Macron could seize the opportunity to lend an A380 + Fueling Credit Card to Capt. Travolta and help the climate concerned VIP’s to their junkets.
Mr. Travolta has serious climate refences and is the first non test-pilot to fly an A380 after all. *palmface*
Dutch King Willem-Alexander, who doubles as 737 co-driver in between global warming energy conferences, could equally seize the opportunity.
No stress, the list of climate concerned jet-seters is quite well populated indeed.
Hmmm… is this a climate blog or a Republican party supporters website?
I don’t think it can speak with authority on climate if it mixes in partisan politics.
Still, if it continues in this vein I shall stop commenting again… so I guess you’ll all look forward to that!
Chicken or egg ? Better wonder why the climate scam is historically part of the leftist rhetoric efforts.
It seems Griff has admitted that this site speaks with authority on climate issues.
Oopsy Daisy! Accidentally told the truth, huh Griff?
Griff, how can it speak with authority on climate if it doesn’t mix in partisan politics, the whole CAGW scam is nothing but partisan politics.
First off, climate and politics have been mixed together for decades. When you alarmists decided to use the fake alarm to dictate political politics.
Your fake concern is duly noted. Of course you don’t complain when alarmist sites start talking politics. Then again, you agree with them so why would you complain.
Any excuse to cut and run while losing.
And yet you spew leftist political crap here, my, my, is that your oxen bleeding in the ditch over there? Perhaps you should not have allowed it to be gored! Stopping the massive amount of “greenhouse” pollution these unneeded airliner trips would have put out seems to be EXACTLY what you claim to want. Guess we all see the truth, now.
Went to catch a few z’s, come back and David and all of his comments missing?
What happened?
Was he banned?
Discovered to be someone already banned?
Usually there’s moderators comments when something gets removed.
(They were removed for off topic thread hijacking) MOD
Yeah, I was kind of wondering that myself. Lots of replies to David, but no posts from David in the thread. What’s going on, MODs?
(The replies to David vanished yesterday, now they are back which surprised me) MOD
Cue Twilight Zone theme.
Mod, had there been an explanation posted at the time that David’s comments were removed much questioning and rehashing would have been spared, enabling the thread to get back on track, and stay there, sooner.
Please use the “clip with explanation” process whenever possible.
SR
It was very merciful of you to remove such things from the permanent record of the interwebs.
I hope David has thanked you for removing his embarrassing comments.
The Trumpster delivers yet again. He cares about “Climate Change” Grab-em-by-the-Pelosi doesn’t.
Agree with your stance on climate skepticism,but not with supporting a President guilty of treason.
Are you all fond of Putin controlling the USA?
Some people will grasp onto any excuse to oppose someone who’s politics they don’t like.
If true then to judge from the employment numbers and general economic figures Putin is doing an excellent job. Perhaps we could persuade Vlad to take over the UK which is in dire need of a leader with fibre, moral or otherwise.
Please site the crime and the legal affidavit specifying treasonous crimes.
No criminal complaint has been entered against President Trump or against the Office of the President.
We need you to present your evidence.
Griff,
I agree this site shouldn’t show partisan politics.
It cheapens the science and will alienate those who are open minded leftists such as myself.
Funny how this is only a problem when those you oppose do it.
“Griff,
I agree this site shouldn’t show partisan politics”
Says the person who just called President Trump a traitor and a puppet of Putin in the post just above. Perhaps this person doesn’t understand the meaning of “partisan”.
To the left, bipartisanship is Republican and Democrats working together to pass the Democrats agenda.
Since the left views themselves as the center, against which all else must be measured, it’s normal for them to consider any opposition to their desires as being political. While supporting their position is just the natural order of the world.
I said there should be no partisan politics .Anyone stupid enough to believe Trumps daily lies can never be taken seriously by the mainstream public.
I’m the exception as I’ve been following this blog for a decade.
I’m trying to persuade my leftist friends of the AGW skeptic position.
It doesn’t help if you are all immediately dismissed as IDIOTS because you follow a moron liar white supremacist. Traiter to the USA .
I’m losing faith in this website even though I know Anthony Watts is correct in his science.
Again, your jealousy is duly noted, your refusal to accept actual facts is also noted, please feel free to let the world know how jealous and close-minded you are, often and loudly.
“…open minded leftists…”
None exist.
“Open minded leftist”.???
Ok, I believe Santa, but open minded leftist….., not in this world.
[“Open minded leftist”.???
Ok, I believe Santa, but open minded leftist….., not in this world.]
Exactly the same ironic comment can be applied when talking about an “open minded rightest”.
Same dog, different lamppost.
Ultimately, this site is showing far more comments related to the left-right political divide in the US than to where AGW is occurring or not.
However a right minded person will use their own money and talents to make a change and difference silently without a whole bunch of public bandwidth.
Left minded person will want to tax everyone and everything toward anything they do not like.
And there are plenty of scientific discussions on this site. I have lived on the planet nearly 50 years and I have yet to see any climate or environment change. Nor have I seen from the historical records that climate or weather has changed.
Changed from the AGW magical moment of pre-1850
SLR 8 inches since recorded messurements began with most rapid increases over last two decades. Increasing acidification of the oceans.
Most SLR studies are dubious and are just as likely measuring land sinking. Again there is no standardization in the measurements themselves to be trustworthy. Each group or researcher develops their way of measuring SLR. Beside human beings as well all other lifeforms deal with SLC every single day of the year.
Also if you are a champion of the AGW then your default position is man is evil so it seems you should be cheering that nature is fighting to reclaim its realm. I am fairly certain that SLR has been on the rise since the end of last ice age.
Nice try on the oceans. Chemistry is my primary background with a fair bit of general engineering. I work in the pharmaceutical industry. The oceans are very slightly heading toward neutralization.
And neither of these items suggests man-made climate change.
You just keep repeating lies, almost as if you are not capable of controlling yourself.
It’s time to put Davos carbon footprint in the spotlight also.
I’m going to buck the trend here and condemn President Trump’s action. He should not have cancelled their flight to Afghanistan. He should have cancelled their return flight.
While that would have created an interesting situation, it would have disabled Trump’s strong argument that Pelosi et al should be home working in a passable funding bill.
SR
On a passable…
And, blocking their return would have enabled Pelosi’s argument that Trump endangered the junket’s security.
SR
Actually there is plenty of security for them at Bagram, and it would only of taken 7-9 days for them to get commercial passage back to US. Just think of the lost educational experience for them!
The trip was a weekender, not a week long. Pelosi was going to go commercial until the White House announced the trip to a war zone, which they never do for security reasons. Finally, Trump went to Afghanistan during the shutdown, so…
Both sides are wrong on this shutdown, ICE supports the compromise Trump refused to sign – use the equipment coming back from Afghanistan to support the border with drones and technology. Dems need to give him a billion for wall repairs and both sides should settle the best solution, and quit fighting.
It takes two to Tango. Nancy needs to come to the table and negotiate. Trump is there waiting for her.
As I recall the last time she did that Trump walked out.
Trump has offered three compromises which Nannee and Chuckee rejected before even reading them, so yes, last meeting they refused to even negotiate and he walked out. Ball is in their court and they slashed it with a razor and threw their rackets down. Now they got no leg left to stand on, Trump has the high ground and is digging in.
Yes, quit fighting it, build the wall and man it with active duty US military personnel.
KEEP IT APOLITICAL.
I’m a leftist who wants to convert other leftists and Dems to the AGW skeptic position.
You have zero credibility amongst Democrats because you support a liar.
He’s also a traiter .
Hes also an IDIOT who can’t begin to comprehend or begin to explain global warming skepticsim.
You guys are blowing it by shoeing partisanship.
We are on common ground with AGW skepticism.
Embrace that and further the cause
You can be white supremisists or capitalist 1 % ers on other websites.
Trump said CAGW was a hoax and it is. It’s a political movement, not a scientific one — the Climategate emails exposed this. They even coined a name for their political movement: “The Cause”.
Your Lefty friends don’t care about the truth, and if try to “convert” them, you will be accused of “fact mongering”. LOL.
The fact that you accuse anyone that agrees with Trump on this issue is a “white supremacist” is telling and exposes your bias and racism.
It would be great if this topic could only be about science, but the media and progressives want nothing of that.
The fact you are so jealous of a person simply because he is so much more intelligent, and far more successful, than you will ever be does not reflect well on you. You should work on that.
What I’m saying is this website can’t be used as scientific evidence by Democrats .
It will be immediatly dismissed as right wing BS without even a second thought.
The skeptic position is correct IMO
It’s a shame no Dem or leftist will ever take it seriously because of your political trappings.
Leftists dismiss anything they don’t like out of hand to begin with. Catering to their mental illness helps no one. Let me help you out, make your self assigned task a bit easier. “Climate changes, constantly, it always has. Humans are not causing it to change and can not stop it from changing.” There ya go, facts that leftists will dismiss out of hand, it just saves you lots of time using a single sentence, then you can move on to something productive instead of beating that dead horse.
I suggest Anthony Watts that you delete this entire thread and keep up the good science.
It’s just bad PR.
So let me get this straight…
You want to subvert free speech whilst professing to being an “open minded liberal”?
And as far as the open mined liberal part is concerned — it seems based on your comments above you have already judged and convicted the President of treason. If Mueller had even a picogram of evidence of treason against Trump his investigation would be over. Please again I am not sure what Trump has done that treason should be leveled toward him. Also keep in mind that while, in your world, as you have stated Trump the idiot has beaten the dims and liberals at every turn, perhaps yall should be looking in the mirror. Sun Tzu has a lot to say about mis-characterizing your enemy.
I did not vote for Trump but I am also not unhappy that he beat Hillary.
Trump did a very politically intelligent action here. Not the action of an idiot.
I also still need the treason evidence or you are just sufferring from TDS. Trump is a lot of things but being an idiot or traitor are not his flaws. The youtube videos are out there of Trump and he has been very consistent on his view and trade and politicians since at least the late 70’s. Trump is also a YUGE supporter of Unions.
Most politicians are unable to speak with any gravitas in any technical area, I think there is only one Engineer and a couple of MD out all the 535 members of Congress. Holding Trump to a singular high pillar that nearly every member fails to meet only reenforces my view of your TDS.
You don’t like it so you want it to vanish. Way to support free speech, skippy. Thought you were all about saving the planet from humanity? Stopping these 5 international airliner flights is a step in that direction, and yet you don’t want anyone to talk about it. Hmmmm.
It’s not that I don’t agree with your right wing stances.(and I dont)
It’s that your vocal positions interfere with the science being accepted by those who are not right wingers.
You are blowing it big time.
Those who refuse to accept reality will not be brought to it by saying it differently. Leftism is a mental disorder which brings poverty, starvation and misery everywhere it gains any power. Current example? Venezuela. Leftists , whom you say you embrace, are determined to make all the developed world into Venezuela, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cuba. We ain’t having it.
Again, even though you show a total inability to comprehend it, one last time. Climate changes constantly, it always has and it always will. Humans are not causing it to change and can not stop it from changing. Please continue to refuse delivery of reality, Accusatory Occasional-Cortex is your new darling in Congress and she has a plan for you, America will not go along with your leftist insanity. Have fun starving in the mud.
Mojomojo,
Most leftist already hate this site. Most hated it long before Trump arrived on the political stage but they will still come. The fact that you think Trump changed anything of the long standing hate is more evidence of some irrationality on your part. The haters of the site before Trump are still hating.
Climate change needs evidence.
Trump committing treason needs evidence.
Both of the above endeavors need quality control of that evidence(data) and be able to show that data is free from corruption and collected through a validated Quality by Design methodology.
To proclaim either without evidence is irrational and irresponsible.
Nancy Pelosi is a true American heroine who has the Donald by his short and curlies. She is killing him politically and he is completely clueless on how to deal with her. I love watching the CNN reports when she comes up with a new humiliation.
On a seperate issue on reducing CO2 emissions. US sceptics can contribute by eating less meat. You should start tomorrow: https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/16/health/new-diet-to-save-lives-and-planet-health-study-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F
[Heroine? Surely you jest As for meat, we’ll consider it when you show proof you are actually doing it -mod]
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