Governor Brown: Climate Change is Like Fighting the NAZIs

Jerry Brown and Mike Bloomberg

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Governor Jerry Brown and Michael Bloomberg both appeared on NBC to attack President Trump’s views on Climate Change.

Bloomberg slams Trump on climate change, which Brown likens to Nazism

Michael Bloomberg slammed Donald Trump’s inaction on climate change on Sunday and said any candidate for president in 2020 – he himself might be one – must have a plan to deal with the problem.

At the same time, retiring California governor Jerry Brown likened the fight against climate change to the fight against Nazism during the second world war, saying: “We have an enemy … perhaps very much devastating in a similar way.”

Both men appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press. The billionaire former New York mayor said: “It would be a lot more helpful if we had a climate champion rather than a climate denier in the White House.

“You know, I’ve always thought Trump has a right to his opinions. But he doesn’t have a right to his own facts.

A vocal critic of the coal industry, Bloomberg, whose fortune is estimated at $40bn and who spent $100m on his last mayoral race, has said he plans to make climate change a leading issue in the 2020 race, whether or not he runs.

Any candidate for federal office better darn well have a plan to deal with the problem that the Trump science advisers say could, basically, end this world,” he said. “I can tell you one thing, I don’t know whether I’m going to run or not, but I will be out there demanding that anybody that’s running has a plan.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/30/michael-bloomberg-slams-trump-climate-change

The NBC page for that episode of Meet the Press is available here.

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199 thoughts on “Governor Brown: Climate Change is Like Fighting the NAZIs

    • Well, let’s hope it doesn’t come to actual fighting. Many millions died fighting the Nazis.

      However, for those of us who prefer historical honesty, “climate change” looks a lot like eugenics. It’s an idea loved by all “right-thinking” progressive people because, it fits their beliefs about their right to control the teeming masses by whatever means they can.

      Like eugenics, it will be seen in hindsight as something truly monstrous, motivated by racism and a hatred for the poor. Eugenics was central to Nazi philosophy and led directly to the death camps and “medical” torture.

      However, those who promulgate these vile lies will never apologize because, they will always claim they were acting for the good of the people or the planet. But the evil that they do shows their true intentions.

      One can only hope we see something analogous to the Nuremberg trials for those who are causing all the misery. But I expect that, like Nuremberg, many of them will be dead before it happens.

      • IO,
        It certainly seems that many are fooled when evil is wrapped with benevolence. It just surprises me that so many remain fooled even when the evil is exposed.

        • The desire to control is often disguised as the desire to do good.

          They are so convinced that what they are doing is going to benefit mankind, that they are willing to overlook the evil being done in their name.

          • “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

            “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”

            – H.L. Mencken

          • ” the problem that the Trump science advisers say could, basically, end this world”

            Really ? which “Trump science advisers ” would that be ?

            Why not go one better , it will destroy the solar system and then the entire universe: we MUST act now !

            Greeny ideologues want a means to force everyone to do what they say. Globalists want to use it as a means to install an unelected, unaccountable world government.

            This is all about power , not energy.

      • I appreciate that someone else on here, albeit tentatively, is making this connection.
        I’m here to say without doubt, this is planned eugenics, but it isn’t just climate.

        The foundation is agenda 21/2030 and many of the tentacles are as follows:

        Attack on hydro carbons (6n, 6p, 6e). Not an accidental or coincidental choice. You people must understand they speak another language, in symbols, and this esoteric nonsense does matter to them. This is both a direct attack on our ability to live comfortably and an attack against ourselves on an esoteric level (literally mankind attacking itself through these carbon based policies).

        Attack on the family (see attack on monotheism and Judeo Christian values, birth control, heralding abortion (Margaret Sanger), hedonism, etc.

        Attacking the food and water (fluoride, trans fats, processed foods, BPA and equivalent estrogen disrupters, GMO, pesticides, etc). Sure, many of you poo poo that but fine, you can blind yourself to reality that isn’t my problem.

        Lying about health while pushing vaccination, same comment as above. Many of you disagree. That’s fine.

        Geoengineering. They are now openly calling for it in mainstream and history tells us this has already been ongoing, since institutions only discuss what they plan to do after it’s been tested and implemented.

        Attack on sovereignty: NFA, 14th amendment, banning natural substances for personal use, etc.

        Attack on biology: androgenous agenda gender bending (boys in UK bring told they can have periods), affirmative consent laws /#metoo, which put the risk of sex too high for young males, BPA plastics in everything known to contribute to elevated estrogen mostly affecting males, heralding pedophilia as a sexual preference (see Ted talk and NYT articles if you don’t believe me), video games and internet/A.I. movement pulling youth away from natural, organic experience into a surreal world of sensory overload fantasy.

        Surveillance state where your dish washing machine and television literally record your audio through Bluetooth (see multiple accounts is this, most notably Samsung)
        Forced smart grid technology whereby they monitor your energy use every 15 minutes (verified through Excel when they tried to force us in Arvada Colorado, of course, claiming cheaper rates_ trojan horse no thanks.) Hov Lanes requires monitor tracking device rather than just multiple people.

        Digital currency/RFID chip phasing out private transactions through cash.

        This picture is so much more conspiratorial than many of you status quo apologists care to grasp because you’ve also placed trust in the state (only when it benefits you- see police/military/social norms, and even then barely benefits you if you look at the data) and the system, for which you have stockholm syndrome.

        This is multifaceted, top down, depopulation program based on poisoning everything we consume, physically mentally and spiritually, so that the next generation not only doesn’t want to procreate but eventually they can’t, and in order to they’ll need a special permit. What’s left will be about 500 million low IQ grunts to do what robotics cannot.

        That’s the full plan. Full spectrum domination by the likes of families such as Gates, DuPont’s, Rockefellers, Bloomberg’s, Brown, Columbia, Rothschild’s, etc and all the other super wealthy world elite that plan with them yearly at events like bilderburgs.

        Too far fetched? Well maybe you should read more, recognize the patterns, the words, the actions, the manifestation of all those things spoken throughout the last century, and how technology has catapulted these demons to enact their agenda.

        But no, that’s too much for you folks. It’s easier to just label me a conspiracy theorist instead of challenging yourself and doing the deep research to see how it all had been set up. Then you’ll complain it’s all just the leftists when what I’m proclaiming is fully established.

        • You do talk out of your arse.
          Do you object to chlorination of drinking water?
          What’s the incidence of Smallpox this year?
          Boys in the Uk being told they can have periods? Where did you get that stupid idea from?
          Birth control? What’s your problem with that, or are you a Catholic or a Muslim?

      • Similar to when Noah, in that story, tried to explain to the people what was coming..
        Or the allegory of the cave…

        Most will scoff and rebuke. Congratulations on being just another slave enjoying their bondage, rebuking those who are trying to show you those puppets on the wall are make believe, and the puppet Masters genuinely hate you

        • Hey I agree with part of that. Just being a paranoid schizophrenic doesn’t men they’re not out to get you.

      • Indeed it does look like that. Brace yourself and see
        Eugenics, Human Genetics and Human Failings: The Eugenics Society, Its Sources and Its Critics in Britain by Pauline M.H. Mazumdar Routledge. New York. 1992

      • So, last comment because I realize many of you don’t consider my perspective even close to reality, which is fine, but…
        I’m going work on tying these thoughts together with sense research and quality writing, then, I’ll just make a short comment to the effect of:
        “Yes this is about eugenics, if you are interested I discuss it here” and provide the link. I think that would be less obtrusive in these comments

        • Matthew,
          Where have you been? The UN’s Agenda 21 has been discussed in these pages, many times and so has much of the rest of what you mention, although some of your writing deteriorates into conspiracy theory. Trip nuttery is never helpful.

          Your last post sounds a lot like you are going to pick up your toys and go home. We’ve all seen that before.
          If you can’t stick around to prove and defend your own words, don’t falsely claim that you are leaving because none can rise to your level. Just go and be done (and gone.)

        • Don’t try to say so much in one post, Matthew Drobnick. I’m sure I sound the same after a few ales, but right or wrong, it often doesn’t go over very well with many readers. Try sticking to fewer points, and more reasons to back them up.

          • Michael,
            indeed. that is more what I’m going for.

            Alan. This isn’t about picking up toys and going home. It is two fold:
            1. I’m catching myself rambling and not correctly tying my points together because it is tedious to supply all the links, so I need to cut the length significantly.
            2. due to needing to cut the length, I should start spending the time writing, editing, shoring up my ideas, explaining more fully, and then making a short comment (so as not to annoy those who aren’t interested) and to provide an opportunity for those with interest to see a better explanation of my points.

            I’m typically at work and just firing off thoughts as I have time and it isn’t sufficient, and I realized it, so I’m going to work on methods that aren’t as loosely tied together or that seem to venture off topic.

            I’m long winded. I always have been. Fixing that is borderline painful and takes massive amounts of my energy.
            I hope that clears it up.

      • “Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” C.S. Lewis

      • Just look at prophetic movies like “Logan’s Run” and “Rollerball”. The Flower Children of the 60’s have morphed into Poison Ivy!!

        • Spuds…Prophetic movies like Logan’s Run…
          I make a point of always watching Logan’s Run a few times each year…due to Jenny Agutter and that nearly dress that she is nearly wearing.
          I do this for fashion and educational purposes only. Of Course.
          You Tube…Logan’s Run…Party at Logan’s..

      • Interested Observer,
        I have had the same view for a considerable time.
        The late Michael Chrichton had a good short piece at the end of his book “State of Fear” on the uncanny parallels between Eugenics and Global Warming.
        For a wonderful study, read the book, “ In Reckless Hands:Skinner v. Oklahoma and the near triumph of American Eugenics,”by Victoria P.Nourse.
        The Theory of Eugenics had near universal acceptance 100 years ago.
        In one of the saddest and worst cases ever in the US Supreme Court, Buck v. Bell (1927),the Court upheld compulsory State sterilization laws based on the Eugenics theory.
        In the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, “ Three generations of morons are enough.”
        We now recognise Eugenics as pseudo- science.

    • Their propensity to psychological transference is nearly 100%.
      Almost every time they open their mouths to criticize or condemn, what they say is perfectly true, but of themselves, not of those to whom they aim their lies at.
      Look at Jeff Albert’s comment just below regarding “evidence”, and “poisoning the well”.
      He is spot on, but directly his comment away from those for whom it is true.
      Brown truly does poison the well with his 100% baseless assertions.

    • And of course the Nazis were National Socialists. You can put whatever word you like in front of Socialist, such as Soviet, but the fact remains that Socialists are evil.

      • If memory serves me, the full title was “German Socialist Workers Party”. Why the US ‘left wing’ would accuse republicans of being like the Nazi’s is beyond me. Could it be that they don’t have a clue about history, or anything else for that matter?

        • In the mind of the left, they have convinced themselves that they are good and caring people. Therefore anyone who disagrees with them must be evil, uncaring people.
          From history they know that the Nazi’s are bad, therefore anyone who disagrees with them is the same as a Nazi.

          • The ironing being in that fascists* who demonize their opposition are NAZIS!

            Their demonization of Trump makes THEM Nazis. They don’t argue issues, they brand their opposition as evil. And any action is justified against evil.

            *Fascism: strong, autocratic central control of a private economy. See: United States of America, with 615 Federal agencies.

    • I think Einzatsgruppenfuhrer Brown has made a Freudian Slip in referring to the Nazis.

      ‘Climate change’, i.e. CAGW, is indeed a very Nazi like piece of dogma

  1. 2 Trillion a year in global tax revenue payouts for propaganda, carbon schemes that accomplish nothing, and subsidized “green” energy policies that use even more fossil fuels then the “planet killing” energy to create infrastructure. Oh yeah, there’s no reason for these morons to continue lying. What possible motivation could they have?

  2. Let’s hope Bloomberg makes Climate Change a major issue in 2020, because the majority of Americans rate it last or next to last in importance. Bloomberg spending his billions tilting at windmills, so to speak, is a winner for rational people.

    • 1.5 degrees in 150 years is a “crisis” equal to the Nazis? Do this turkeys realize how outlandishly absurd they sound to ordinary people who took math and geology before 1985? Yes, let this be the Dems’ “big issue,” since that’s all they’ve got. Polls repeatedly show that “climate” stories get the least clicks and views, the biggest yawns and the most channel changes of any issue out there. We must be doing very well indeed as a country if made-up hysteria from a crystal ball is the best they’ve got! MAGA!

  3. Let’s see their (policy) cards on the table now, not just the bluster and not after elections when declaring overwhelming mandates to do this or that without question.

    • Great idea. I believe most people that believe in CAGW think that to fix it only requires some minor sacrifice on their part. They have no idea of the present costs or the future costs that are in the planning stages by the collectivist. If they did understand the sacrifices they would look into the truth of the matter .

    • their policy cards have been played:
      Ocasio Cortez. That is what they have rolled out.

      and guess why people voted for that knuckledragger…
      self-association and nothing else. look at the district ethnic makeup
      again, BUILD THE WALL! we need less low information voters who will turn this place into the Ish-holes from whence they came

  4. “At the same time, retiring California governor Jerry Brown likened the fight against climate change to the fight against Nazism during the second world war, saying: “We have an enemy … perhaps very much devastating in a similar way.” …”

    How is this not flat-out hate-speech and an incitement to denigrate or attack others and prejudice against them? Why is it not against the law in the USA and California? Why is it OK to prejudice people like that and get away with such a despicable and totally false treatment and defamation of others?

    How disgusting.

    • Jerry Brown, you are a complete grub, you should be sued into poverty for your outrageous collective hate, lies, prejudice and rank anti free-speech attitude and authoritarian bent. You’re a total disgrace to the United States of America and all it stands for.

      • He despises America. Hasn’t he said so in speeches? It’s not like Jerry’s hate isn’t obvious.

        • Both Bloomberg and Brown are United Nations facilitators. Can either of them supply data/information that they represent the views of the people of the United States?

          Where’s the Beef? Those who signed the America’s Pledge? And who are these signers?

          • I particularly like how the pledge says it’s irreversible. That’s kind of like saying all nations that have signed it are financially enslaved to the UN, unless you believe that less then half a percent of greenhouse gas emissions will destroy the world. It’s convenient that Jeff’s believers have most of the control of the internet. I wonder if they might make it hard for someone to find that quote from Brown?

    • Because we don’t allow hate speech laws for this very reason. Political speech is sacrosanct, and some people will always find some speech hateful, so it quickly devolves into a system where “whoever disagrees with those in charge is hateful”, if it isn’t used as a flat out writ of attainder.

      Yes it’s frustrating at times, but the alternative is much worse.

    • No doubt he’ll reactivate thousands of B-17s, B-24s, P-38s, P-47s, P-51s, etc (all belching CO2) to go on the attack. Oh the humanity/insanity!

  5. Interesting. I have given some thought as to comparisons to NAZIs frequently offered. It seems to me Mr. Brown and his ilk display much of the dynamic that gave rise to that hideous movement among the rather staid German people. These traits include anger and blame focused on a demonized group, righteous indignation with a sense of superiority and a vicious intolerance for dissent. I do not think it is pejorative to suggest that if such a movement were to find a spark in the US at this time, it would find its tinder among the already smoldering indignation of the activist left.

  6. Round about now, the lay extremists get far ahead of the previous more conservative leadership. This happens just at the point that the leadership starts to get uneasy about the results on the movement if the wild forecasts of the extremists publicly fail to materialize. But the leadership is in a really difficult situation, they cannot backtrack and denounce their most effective proselytizers, and what they have been saying is only a little less extreme than the extremists.

    Read ‘When Prophecy Fails’ to see what will happen next. It will be a retreat to a high mountain to await Rapture, and when that fails?

    Their faith will increase, not diminish.

    This has all happened before. Corbyn’s acolyte, Seamus Milne, still believes in Russian Communism. Many more examples

  7. ”Trump doesn’t believe in climate”

    No rational person could make a statement like that.

    Its right up there with ”i believe in women”

    ”Climate change is real”

    ”Co2 is real”

  8. Bloomberg also claimed “the poles are melting” and “3 feet of rain in Carolinas” were proof of climate change. For a rich guy, he”s as clueless as a bix of rocks on the issues.
    Also Ms Marvel of NASA claimed that Glacier National Park’s glacial melt since 1850 was a clear sign of climate change.
    More lies. It was sickening to listen to that crap as Cclueless Chuck Todd merely acted as an Infomertial moderator on the false claims coming out of Bloomberg’s and Marvel’s lieholes.

  9. there is no man made climate change
    -click on my name to read my report on that-
    or else let me know how you ‘calculated’ what % of the observed climate change is man made and which % is natural,
    bearing in mind that sea levels in some of the previous interglacials have in fact much higher than today….

  10. You know when one participant in an argument has failed, when they resort to accusing their opponent of being ‘Like the Nazis’. Brown, Bloomberg and Guardian fall at first hurdle. Pathetic

  11. The Brown Shirts are getting more aggressive every day. I would suggest looking into the steps necessary to claim membership in the Cherokee tribe or others. Independent science thinking is no longer safe in this society.

  12. Brown and Bloomberg – two men with enormous power and wealth.

    Imagine if they had a thirst for knowledge. Bloomberg could direct a portion of his $40bn to establish some measure of credence to the science he defends. Then he could produce some science and refute my claim:

    The CAGW Theory has no Laws, Axioms, Postulates, nor formulae.

    Why is that? We would not be able to derive Laws, Axioms, Postulates, formulae from a flawed theory. How does the CAGW theory differentiate itself from a flawed theory?

    A theory that offers nothing to reason with should be used to create policy?

  13. Hey, let’s hand manufacturing to the Chinese and flood the country with aliens that hate white people. What could go wrong with that? We’ll pay for it somehow.

    • “and flood the country with aliens that hate white people.”

      Illegal aliens don’t necessarily hate white people. It’s the American Liberal Elites who hate white people.

      Let’s think about this for a moment: White people make up about 65 percent of the US population and of the 35 percent remaining, about 20 percent have some white blood in them, like Obama, who is half white, so about 80 percent of Americans have some white blood in them..

      The Democrat Elites are in one way or another, alienatig this 80 percent of the American population with their racist rhetoric against whites, so what is their endgame with respect to demonizing white people? Do they think white people are just going to go away because a few fanatics in the Democrat Party are racially prejudiced against them? I don’t see what they hope to accomplish other than to agitate their fellow racists. But what does that gain them. A few more shrill voices? To what purpose?

      The radical Democrats are just full of hate for everything that is traditional America. Radicals have to have something on which to focus their inner anger and hate, and in the case of American radical Democrats white people and the society they created are that focus.

      It must really be uncomfortable to feel such anger and hate. There are a lot of tormented souls out there who don’t know where to turn. The first turn they should make is away from the hateful Democrats.

  14. Belief in man-made climate change is like the 17th century belief in witches: once you believe you see it everywhere. Everything and anything ‘bad’ that happens is due to the malicious actions of witches, pardon, carbondioxide. And obviously those who claim that witches do not exist, say so because they themselves are witches too, or at least are in bed with the devil himself.

    Far from ‘fighting nazis’, msrs Brown and Bloomberg are taking the mantle of the Witchfinder General.

    • Just remember, Jerry Brown started out in the Seminary and only later embarked on a lifelong career in politics.

      He still thinks and acts like a religious zealot, framing the world in terms of angels and devils/Nazis

      Sick/Sad and ultimately pathetic

  15. “You know, I’ve always thought Trump has a right to his opinions. But he doesn’t have a right to his own facts.”

    Neither do either of you.

    While it may be a fact that human CO2 emissions add a small amount of warming to the atmosphere it is not a fact that this small amount is going to cause the world to end. If they really believe it is, why aren’t they living the “low carbon footprint” life of Ed Begley, Jr.?

    • Ed Begley still stars in movies, which causes people to drive to go see them, uses lots of energy. He’s just as much of a hypocrite as the rest.

      • Really? When was the last one? What was the name of that blockbuster!?!? And yes, Gov Brown has publicly stated he does not like America, he has always been quite open about how deeply he dislikes America and Americans, it is one of the primary reasons leftists vote for him, they agree.

        • His last film of note was probably Pineapple Express, in which his credit was the eight one from the top.
          He has tones of TV credits.

        • He was also in one recently, The Book Club or something like that. You used the word “blockbuster”, not me.

          Please provide a link regarding Brown saying he doesn’t like America. If you can’t, it’s just a gratuitous assertion that can be ignored. I certainly don’t like the man, but I believe in evidence.

          • At least we can agree about the vast majority of the people who tell us to consume less and burn more are hypocrites. While they fly around in private jets and live in huge mansions it’s obvious how terrified they are of CACC.

      • The actor Ed Begley died in 1970.
        His son, Ed Begley Jr., is the washed up/never was, small time, bit part, mostly TV, actor you are thinking of.

        • “The actor Ed Begley died in 1970.
          His son, Ed Begley Jr., is the washed up/never was, small time, bit part, mostly TV, actor you are thinking of.”

          Jr was the one referenced. Was it so hard to figure out that’s who I was talking about? As others have pointed out, he’s still acting in new movies.

    • The answer to that is “Ed Begley Who?”. It has never been about saving the planet, always about controlling what other people do and accumulating as much money fraudulently as possible before anyone gets hip to their grift.

    • Didn’t think I’d bring out the “Ed Begley, Jr. haters”, but such is life.

      Isn’t he one of the few in California actually attempting to lower his “carbon footprint”, whether it needs to be lowered or not? I suppose though that unless living the life of Mother Teresa, one can find some hypocrisy in anyone.

      • Even Mother Teresa wasn’t “Mother Teresa.”

        I would agree that Jr. is a lesser hypocrite, as most of us are.

    • JohnWho
      ….why aren’t they living the “low carbon footprint” life of Ed Begley, Jr.?

      Because it’s: ‘Do as I say’ not ‘Say as I do’.
      Cheers
      Mike

  16. Authoritarians, Bloomberg and Moonbeam, accusing those who wish for less government is an absurdity of our times.
    After Communism/Socialism collapsed and was seen not to work the politically ambitious moved over the the “environment”. Then to climate where the solution to invented threats is authoritarian government.
    Because I oppose the Left, I have been called a Nazi or compared to Hitler.
    In calling for limited government, I oppose both factions.
    “Before The Deluge” by Otto Friedrich is a history of Berlin during the 1920s and beyond.
    The author quotes Hitler”
    “Brutality is respected. The people want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly submissive.”
    (Page 383).
    Now the common pitch is “Do as I say, or the climate demons will get us all.”

    • Hitler was a liar. Brutality is feared, not respected. And people only want someone else to frighten their enemies for them, but they forget that the same power can be used against them as well. It is good to learn from history, but we must be careful to take away the correct lessons.

    • Hitler was national socialist, The british nhs template was plundered at the end of the war when they saw how well hitler had rolled it out,.

      Many other leftist sacred cows were originally national socialist in origin, or just plain Leninist.

      If pushed for a one word description of your average Leftist cry-bully, i would use Luciferian.

  17. Could we just make an indulgence payment to the California high speed rail construction unions instead?

        • Not quite. It was a derogatory name coined by the press of the late 1920ies. The abbreviation is derived from the name Ignatius, a name quite common in the south of Germany, i.p. Bavaria, where the NSDAP originated. Party members never called themselves ‘nazi’, always ‘national socialist’.

  18. Governor Brownshirt is absolutely correct to wrap his ecofascist climate authoritarianism in the Na3i flag. Wear it with pride!

  19. The career politicans recognize AGW as a potential vehicle to sway the masses. Facts—on either side of the debate—don’t matter to them (though they will use whatever is available).

    In other news, the price of hyperbole is plummeting as supplies explode…

  20. listening to jerry brown is kind of like being in an insane asylum ward and listening to the most deranged person housed there.

    • Bloomberg was Mayor of NYC for 3 terms. Pretty much unraveled Guliani’s good work over time. DeBlasio is finally putting the nail in the coffin while Cuomo tap dance on it along with the rest of the state. Millions of New Yorkers state wide are leaving as soon as they can.

  21. Re “Trump advisers”:
    Princeton’s William Happer is an accomplished physicist and inventor of the “sodium guide star” method for greatly improving resolution of ground-based telescopes, and skeptic of CAGW/CACC; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer . The article attacks him by resorting to “majority of expert opinion”, but of course Copernicus, Galileo, and Einstein went against the consensus of the day and were right. Happer is perhaps the most qualified of Trump’s present science advisers.

    MIT’s Richard Lindzen is another critic of the high literature value for Climate Sensitivity; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lindzen . The article says that Lindzen has admitted “some stupid mistakes”, as if this invalidates everything else he has written and said. Real scientists, being human, make mistakes all the time at the frontiers of knowledge, but admit them (like Lindzen), learn from them, and move on with better understanding. Admitting mistakes is something the true believers of the cult of CAGW/CACC find difficult to do.

    For example, for decades the “best value” for climate sensitivity has been quoted as 3 degrees +/- 1.5 degrees, although the low end value of 1.5 degrees was deemed “highly improbable”. The 3 degrees was composed of 1 degree on doubling CO2 (from spectroscopic calculations) plus 2 degrees due to water vapor positive feedback.

    In the last 2 years, that 3 degrees has been quietly replaced by 1.5 degrees, thanks to diligent work by Judith Curry and others, although this should have been easily calculated from the 0.8 degree +/- 0.1 degree warming from 1850 to 2018 as CO2 increased from 285 ppmv to 410 ppmv. This implies that water vapor feedback is at most 50%, not 200%, a whopping difference which casts doubt on the rest of the calculations.

    The 1.5 degree estimate based on 1 degree warming without feedback still assumes that ALL of the historic warming was due to CO2 plus feedbacks. But that 1 degree estimate is based on net absorption by CO2 in a 10 km path length of a cloudless troposphere; see the simulated spectra at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing . The effect of doubling CO2, just barely detectable, corresponds to the difference in area between the blue and green curves.

    But 62% of the Earth’s surface is covered by clouds. Clouds are composed of liquid droplets or ice crystals that act like Planck black bodies with emissivity 0.98 or higher. Therefore they absorb and then re-radiate at all relevant infrared (IR) frequencies, so doubling CO2 below the cloud tops has no net effect (any increase in CO2 net absorption simply means that much less net absorption by cloud particles).

    But the cloud tops are cooler than the Earth’s surface (mean temperature = 15 Celsius = 288 K), so there is less IR black body initial emission available for net absorption by CO2 and other greenhouse gases.

    The path length from cloud tops to outer space is less than that from the Earth’s surface, so there are fewer CO2 molecules that can absorb IR when there are clouds.

    The extra net absorption by CO2 occurs in two sidebands centered at 618 and 721 cm^-1, as shown by the two small area differences between the blue and green curves in the MODTRAN spectra. These sidebands involve absorption by molecules in the first vibrationally excited state, not the ground state. Since populations in excited states decrease exponentially as temperature decreases, there will be fewer CO2 molecules in excited states above the cloud tops relative to those in all 10 km of a cloudless troposphere.

    The spectral lines for CO2 in the vibrational ground state are essentially all saturated, so doubling CO2 does not increase net absorption by these lines. However, 100% absorption by Kirchhoff’s Law is followed by 100% re-emission, so these lines are re-emitted at higher altitudes as CO2 is doubled. The MODTRAN spectrum shows no change in net absorption/emission at frequencies centered at 667 cm^-1, but this results from truncating the computer simulations at 20 km altitude (the temperature is relatively constant from 10 to 20 km). When MODTRAN is run to 70 km altitude, the net re-emission at 667 cm^-1 actually increases, as final escape of these photons occurs at altitudes between 20 and 50 km where temperature increases with altitude due to net absorption of incoming Solar visible and UV radiation by ozone. Increased emission at high altitude means that less emission is needed from the Earth’s surface for energy balance, so there would be a smaller climate sensitivity.

    All these factors mean a smaller climate sensitivity before feedback, around 0.6 degrees instead of 1 degree.
    A 50% positive feedback due to water vapor increase would increase this to 0.9 degrees, well below the 1.5 degree now considered a danger. And increased cloud cover as water vapor increases would provide a negative feedback likely to cancel much or most of the 50% positive feedback. So Lindzen was probably right all along about climate sensitivity being 0.6 degrees, even if some of his arguments were wrong.

    • A+
      Most likely analysis of a chaotic system, and fits with the data we have so far. We live on a water planet, with half our land, largely uninhabitable. People live in their cities and communities, and extrapolate that experience to form their view of the larger world. That is why they are so easily fooled.
      Water is the dominant molecule in this world. And the ocean – atmosphere interaction is the dominant relationship in the weather, and in the climate. And the ocean water temperature is stabilized by evaporation, which leads to cloud formation.
      CO2 is vital as a required molecule in photosynthesis. Its role as a GHG is minor, and even that small effect on the climate is overwhelmed by the role that water molecules play, in all their forms: vapor, liquid, ice.
      We are along for the ride, and that is disturbing thought for many on the Left. They hate freedom for the unruly masses, and want to impose their form of order on mankind, and pretend they can do the same on the planet itself. It is a self-delusional neurosis. And if they could keep it to themselves, I would have no problem with it. Most children have the same problem, but learn to accept the limits of their control over other people, and inanimate objects. It is obvious that Bloombeam and Moonbeam, never went through the realization that they cannot impose their visions of nirvana on us. We know where that leads, and it is a place where most people lose freedom, so the overseers can soothe their elephantine egos.

        • Only their is no “Brain” in this plot…it is “Stinky and its Brown”. And that is a correct analysis of their ideas.

    • Thermalization is dominant in the lower Troposhere is it not?

      CO2 captures but has its energy dissipated via thermslization.

      • You’re right. Infrared (IR) photons absorbed by CO2 molecules in the v=1 vibrationally first excited state produce v=2 higher excited state molecules. If they simply re-emit IR photons, there is no net absorption. However, inelastic collisions of those v=2 CO2 molecules with air (N2, O2, Ar) molecules quench those v=2 molecules to v=1 or v=0 ground state molecules. So the absorbed IR energy ends up as slightly increased translational and rotational energies of all departing molecules, including CO2. But 400 ppmv CO2 means that other air molecules outnumber CO2 by a ratio of 1,000,000:400 = 2500:1 . Since linear molecules N2, O2 and CO2 all have the same heat capacity at constant pressure of Cp = 7k/2 per molecule, where k is Boltzmann’s constant [see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capacity ], 2500 times more heat is stored in non-emitting molecules than in CO2. This is what is involved in “thermalizing” the absorbed IR energy.

        • Must say that I am sceptical of any warming at all caused by CO2. Click on my name to read my final report.

          If anyone here wants to prove [to me] that the net effect of more CO2 is that of warming rather than cooling, you have to come with a balance sheet showing me exactly how much energy is trapped on earth (thermalized???) versus how much energy is deflected off from earth by same amount CO2.
          For proof that CO2 is (also) cooling the atmosphere by re-radiating sunshine, see here:
          http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0004-637X/644/1/551/64090.web.pdf?request-id=76e1a830-4451-4c80-aa58-4728c1d646ec

          They measured the re-radiation from CO2 as it bounced back to earth from the moon. So the direction of this radition was sun-earth-moon -earth. Follow the green line in fig. 6, bottom. Note that it already starts at 1.2 um, then one peak at 1.4 um, then various peaks at 1.6 um and 3 big peaks at 2 um. It all comes back in fig. 6 top.
          This paper here shows that there is absorption of CO2 at between 0.21 and 0.19 um (close to 202 nm):
          http://www.nat.vu.nl/en/sec/atom/Publications/pdf/DUV-CO2.pdf
          There are other papers that I can look for again that will show that there are also absorptions of CO2 at between 0.18 and 0.135 um and between 0.125 and 0.12 um.
          We already know from the normal IR spectra that CO2 has very big absorption between 4 and 5 um.

          So, to sum it up, we know that CO2 has absorption in the 14-15 um range causing some warming (by re-radiating earthshine) but as shown and proved above it also has a number of absorptions in the 0-5 um range causing cooling (by re-radiating sunshine). In fact this back radiation of CO2 in the UV region is currently how we identify and quantify it on other planets. This cooling happens at all levels where the sunshine hits on the carbon dioxide same as the earthshine. The way from the bottom to the top is the same as from top to the bottom. So, my question is: exactly how much cooling and how much warming is caused by the CO2? How was the experiment done to determine this and where are the test results?

  22. they only discussed climate change?
    what about that wall that Trump keeps on calling for?

    I am not really into wall building. I think we should rather concentrate on building bridges between people, not walls.
    http://breadonthewater.co.za/2018/11/24/looking-for-merciful-samaritans/

    I am also not in favor of supplying weapons to Saudi Arabia as I think that one day they might surprise us and form alliances with Russia and China. There is strong biblical evidence that the [last] anti-Christ might be a fervent Islamic [and they do not tolerate Jesus Christ, at all]

    • U.S. and all other nations’ immigration laws are the bridges. Illegal immigration destroys the bridges.

  23. I can only quote H. L. Mencken, also quoted by Dr. Jay Lehr in a wonderful exposure of AGW. “The whole point of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary”. Tell me when one of these predictions has come true.
    I’m old enough to remember Time magazine predicting a coming ice age. When it didn’t happen they simply switched the narrative. Check Paul Erlick’s Population Bomb.

  24. Michael Bloomberg slammed Donald Trump’s inaction on climate change on Sunday and said any candidate for president in 2020 – he himself might be one – must have a plan to deal with the problem.

    There isn’t a problem.

  25. Get your AGW climate scare skeptic badges ready and plan on wearing them at all times in public so the climate guards can clearly identify your movements and associations. All “good climate scare believers” should avoid contact with those wearing the badges.

      • Should be the words: “Puck off to Global Warming ” surmounting an image of a broken hockey stick in a copse of bristlecone pines mounted on a single Yamal tree in a mud flat. A subtitle would simply say: “For Mann”

        (Where is Josh when you need him?)

  26. Environmentalists are willing to demonstrably kill tens of millions to eliminate DDT. And they want to accuse climate skeptics of mass murder. Other than that, accusing global warming of mass murder is like accusing hospitals of being a leading cause of death based on where people die.

    • They also fully endorse the holocaust of the unborn.
      41 million babies murdered in 2018 world wide.

      Feminists kill more people per year than cancer or war.
      Death by Abortion is the worlds biggest single killer.

  27. Even if Jerry’s theories about runaway warming are true, and even if all of his windmills, solar panels and electric vehicles work as well as his projections, it will take 100 years to lower global temperatures by anything more than a few hundredths of one degree.

    Therefore, it’s perfectly clear that Jerry’s position is all about money and power, and has nothing to do with real science.

  28. What a disgusting person !

    On the “old continent” we have enough artifacts. Omaha Beach, Auschwitz-Birkenau, Oradour-sur-Glane, the Berlin wall, then further north, Stalingrad (St. Petersburg now) the goulags of Magadan and many more.

    More than enough memorials to illustrate the consequences of dictatorships of all kind and the unavoidable subsequent struggles for freedom.

    Even more so when, and I invite each and everyone to research on the topic, environmentalism was (is ?) one of the fundamental dogmas of fascism.

    The term “ecology” was invented in Germany in the nineteenth Century by the militant zoologist Ernst Haeckel.

    What many people do not know about Haeckel, however, is his connection to national socialism.

    In an equally abject book, Hitler writes “Man must not fall into the error of thinking that he was ever meant to become lord and master of Nature.”

    Further from the same source: “Today war is nothing but a struggle for the riches of nature.”

    So Mr. Brown, here we have more than enough reasons to disreguard your honor each and every way.

      • I was just reading about this.
        Apparently, his fake drawings are still, to this day, appearing in biology texts.

    • Time to look at the Isles of the old continent, even if M. Strong’s Club of the Isles may be Canadian. Dr. Schellnhuber, the de-carbonizer supreme, awarded a CBE by QEII in 2004, who in 2009, at a British-German Climate Conference, asserted,
      “In a cynical way, it’s a triumph for science, because at last we have stabilized something—namely the estimates for the carrying capacity of the planet, namely below 1 billion people. What a triumph.”
      This character is the author of the Vaticans Papal encyclical Laudato Si.

      Ps. : CBE Honorary Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (CBE).

      • Dr. Schellnhuber, Joseph Martin “Joschka” Fischer, Merkel, and c.o., are destined to become schoolbook stigmates of modern German shame. Just as many other sharing a common dogmatic core are now.

  29. The marching orders must have been issued 12/30/2018.
    NBC News host says no air time for climate ‘deniers’
    NBC has jumped the shark, fascism beginning as we watch:
    “When you can’t win an argument, then sometimes it’s not worth having that argument.”
    If NBC allows this to stand and doesn’t fire Chuck Todd we are on the brink.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/30/chuck-todd-climate-deniers-banned-meet-press/
    https://www.sponsorfeedback.com/advertisers?view=show&show_id=113
    America’s Natural Gas, Audi, BP, Boeing, Chevrolet, Chevron, Dow Chemical, Exxon Mobile, Infiniti, Kosh, Lexus, Nissan, US Post Office are advertising on a network that would be happy if they disappeared. Dell Computers, Fidelity Investment, HP, IBM, Liberty Mutual, McDonald’s, Northern Trust, I don’t need and those that I support won’t either.

    • I got five tweets to sponsors before twitter cut me off, can’t post now.

      NBC has jumped the shark, fascism beginning as we watch:
      “When you can’t win an argument, then sometimes it’s not worth having that argument.”
      Chuck Todd has to go, we do not need a fascist pretending to understand science dictating what people should think.

  30. Mikey Bloomberg and the rest of the sophists will tell the gullible groundlings that the climate crusade won’t cost them a penny.

    The Pied Pipers and demagogues will wrap their plans to “SAVE THE PLANET” from this EXISTENTIAL DANGER inside a carbon tax that will effectively only be paid by those AWFUL NASTY RICH people and SCIENCE DENIERS because it will be redistributed.

    The mainstream media will cheer and promote that message.

  31. “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results” or in shorthand “Jerry Brown”

    Micheal Bloomberg…the man who waged war on soda pop. He lost the Battle Of NYC. Won in Chicago by spending 10 million then got routed on a repeal.

    Unfortunately good ideas do not spring forth from human heads in an endless stream. Bloomberg had one. Jerry’s daddy Edmund never did.

  32. Extreme statements are usually a sign of desperation or humor. Bloomberg running for president to promote climate change seems more like humor.

  33. So expect die Totalzerstörung Dresdens, wo die Klimadenialisten sind. They say we must not debate, we must fight. How you fight? You destroy Nazis. Right? And Breitbart readers are Nazis. Anyone disagreeing with them is a Nazi.

    How they manage to paint Zionists as Nazis, is frightening. How extreme language they use on their enemies, as if they’d actually willing to start a war.

  34. Wow, great comments here, I don’t have much to add, but must say that reading the volume of sensible and thoughtful comments gives me hope for the future in the face of the endless propaganda seen in media. Great work people!

  35. For any folks here who think we are all nuts to say there is no reason for alarm at warm temperatures, reasoned folks will stipulate that cold is bad, warm is good. We are at the blessed top of a warm period. Would you rather be sliding down the other side to a cold period? Not me. But some time in the likely still distant future, the cold will kill a great many. I am actually hoping the CO2 thing is correct enough to keep us warm in this quaternary ice age. However, there is plenty of research out there that does not give me hope.

    https://www.clim-past.net/10/2135/2014/cp-10-2135-2014.pdf

  36. “Nazi”, “Denier”, its all just intellectually lazy hate speech. If these ZPG supporters had any scientific evidence they would use it. They dream of a world modeled after the DPRK and envision themselves as members of that Kim family. Their first attempt, eugenics, failed, now they have geometrically expanded mass communication as a very powwerful weapon to use. They have also used political correctness as a weapon to conquer our education system and our press, with the help of the ‘good little soldiers’ in the ranks of those professions.

  37. What these climate weasels and their ilk are up to does actually resemble something the NSDAP did very successfully on assuming power. There’s a terribly long word for it in German but the English translation would be “getting into gear” everything from the largest industrial concerns and labor unions to the bicyclists clubs and the butterfly collectors consortium had to reflect Nazi ideology. Robert Conquest would attribute this feature to all forms of Totalitarianism. Sounds like hyperbole but what else would you call SR 15 other than an overarching design for World Government. Social Justice through climate control.

    Control begin the goal although this time we are saving the world people. What could go wrong.

    • When this CAGW meme started, I thought it was ridiculous to use CO2. But because it’s a by-product of industry, it is in fact the perfect vehicle for control. IF you can convince enough of the population that it needs to be controlled. Of course, once you’ve gotten control, who cares what they believe after that.

  38. It will take a total breakdown of society in California before they embrace the Constitution and multiple party government. Just wait. Their view of government is what the immigrants crashing the border are trying to escape.

  39. Jerry Brown likened the fight against climate change to the fight against Nazism during the second world war, saying: “We have an enemy … perhaps very much devastating in a similar way.”
    The tens of millions of combatants killed, the millions of innocent civilians killed, and the deliberate attempt to exterminate the Jews are what most sentient people remember about our fight with Nazism.
    Any attempt to equate that with political activism fighting against CAGW reveals a disordered mind.

  40. Jerry Brown + Mike Bloomberg = [Delusion]200

    By bringing in a reference to Nazis, Brown, in fact, pays tribute to Nazis for being the evil standard by which he measures things. Without the Nazis, he would not have this standard. By adopting this standard, he is reinforcing Nazis in the cultural mind.

    Since the whole thing is a fantasy, I think that they should be bringing in references to Godzilla or Zombies or Space Aliens, which are horrors that have no reality. The latter one particularly fits Jerry Brown.

  41. Wild & Wide-Eyed Exaggeration.

    A variation on mendacity = Unreasonable Behaviour

    See you in front of the judge in the divorce court.
    xx

  42. Does this mean they are giving up on the other spending promotional comparisons like moonshot, Great Society, Marshall Plan, and Shovel Ready Stimulus? Or is this the new McCarthyism?

  43. Arguing about how much it has warmed since 1850 and/or how much it is going to warm in the next X years is stupid. Warming is not a problem. We are in the middle of an ICE AGE people. You can’t find a single geologist or paleo-whatever that will claim otherwise. If nothing changes, the ice sheets will return and that could very well be the end of our civilization. In the mean time, anything that increases the temperature of the planet is good. We may not be able to stop the coming ice, but maybe we can forestall it long enough to develop technologies that will allow us to survive it and/or escape from it. This is what we need to focus on; everything else is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  44. Jerry Brown says Global Warming is the moral equivalent of WWII

    Sign me up as a Conscientious Objector of Climate Change

  45. Do these guys have any concerns that the Global warmers have been wrong every time? Do they know they have been wrong?

  46. The backstory…..

    WSJ….
    That handout began as part of the Obama 2009 “stimulus,” and as always supporters said it would be temporary. A decade on, GM, Nissan and Tesla are nearing or exceeding the 200,000-per-manufacturer cap on EV sales that qualify for the full credit. So they are now seeking increases in the cap, joined by other car makers and Democrats preaching climate alarm.

    • B & B read many alarmist-group newsletters (which groups have a vested interest in stoking alarm as it gooses readers donations) and assume what they read is true, and that the debenkings of caricatured or non-nuanced skeptical claims that they read there are also true.

  47. Bloomberg was Mayor of NYC for 3 terms. Pretty much unraveled Guliani’s good work over time. DeBlasio is finally putting the nail in the coffin while Cuomo tap dance on it along with the rest of the state. Millions of New Yorkers state wide are leaving as soon as they can.

  48. I saw an in depth report on Jerry Brown on Spokane TV. He claimed that he had taken measures to control Climate Change.
    What is on about now? I thought he already had it under control.
    Also my neighbor and her sister saved the planet years ago. What is the big deal?

  49. NAZI. “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”.
    Hey, Jerry and Bloomberg!
    Just who are the “Socialist” here?
    At least that Nut from New York is being honest about what she’s pushing.

    PS If “Socialism” is really what you believe in, why are you still “rich’?

  50. I am confused. Does Eugenics simply say that there are too many people on the planet, to which I would say yes, as the food supply in certain counties is not sufficient for them, Re. Rev Mathas, but then the question is who do we think should be removed and how.

    If its a case of changing the economy of a country the providing of cheap energy, so that finally the State can look after the elderly people, then that removes the need to have a large population to do that.

    The Western countries have done that, so it can be done, but then we have the Greens apparently against the use by the undeveloped countries having cheap energy, so are they actually carrying out eugenics by using the smokescreen of Climate Change. ?

    MJE

    But is it a case that those who are pushing for eugenics are saying that certain races ar e infearer to others and thus should be eliminated, then we aqre on very dangerous ground. p

  51. All you need to do is register the zombie look in their eyes. Full coolaid, never did the homework, religion over science. Blame the advisors? Sorry, you are responsible for your advisors.

  52. Dr. Kate Marvel was the single “official” scientist presented on last Sunday’s NBC show Meet the Press. Here is what Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Marvel ) states about here career: “Marvel’s current research centers on climate modeling to better predict how much the Earth’s temperature will rise rise in the future.”

    Well, she certainly has her work cut out for her, doesn’t she? Oh, and Wikipedia continues: “She is a regular contributor to Scientific American with her column ‘Hot Planet’.” Objective scientist, eh?

    Of course, it’s been a very long time since anyone asserted that NBS strives for objectivity in its “news” reporting.

    This show was pretty much as one-sided on a “discussion” topic as it can get . . . there was nobody to argue against the “climate change” meme that was the topic for almost the entire duration of the show.

    I watched the show from start to end, and all the “panelists”, as well as Governors Bloomberg and Brown, and—most egregiously—show moderator Chuck Todd, freely and repeatedly threw around the term “climate change” without ever specifically defining for the audience what it means (or what they think it means). By the end of the show, I was ready to kick my foot through the LCD display (fortunately, much safer than the good ol’ days of kicking in the CRT to cause a violent vacuum implosion).

  53. “Any candidate for federal office better darn well have a plan to deal with the problem that the Trump science advisers say could, basically, end this world,” he said. “I can tell you one thing, I don’t know whether I’m going to run or not, but I will be out there demanding that anybody that’s running has a plan.”

    Of course ev’ry one will have a plan but don’t give it to him he’ll try to spoil it and leave the earth in ruins because what’s eating him is not that lousy little thing. That old white wealthy dogooder.

  54. My first reaction to anything Governor Brown says is: “His hearts in the right place, he’s just been brainwashed.” But after further reflection, I realize that can’t be true because to be “brainwashed” you must first have a brain.

  55. Global warming is like accelerating sea level rise, it hasn’t happened yet.

    The most recent sea level measurements along the California coast are lower than the measurements taken in the late 1990s. California has had a lull in the sea level assault for two decades, yet elected officials haven’t noticed.

    • It is more of a challenge to adjust the “sea level” than the temperatures. But as soon as it gets traction as being a problem for “The Cause”, they will find a way to lower the past, and increase the present.

  56. “You know, I’ve always thought Trump has a right to his opinions. But he doesn’t have a right to his own facts.”

    I completely and wholeheartedly agree with this, the problem is that most people don`t know the difference between an opinion and a fact.

  57. They think a physically undetectable change in temperature ANOMALY of approximately 0.1*C per DECADE, is the similar to fighting armed nations dedicated to your destruction????
    I openly question the intelligence of anyone that thinks that. Let alone thinks they can get a majority of voters to think that. Anyone living North of the Mason-Dixon that has been alive for more than 30 years, knows it is complete BS. And there does not seem to be much appetite for this bizarre craziness in the South either.
    I would be shocked if 10% of Americans really think those two radically different situations can be rationally equated. I know there are the zealots who just spout the line of the week. But Climate Change and fighting the Nazis??????
    It takes a strange interpretation of reality, that is not consistent with a rational thought process, to get on national TV and spout complete and utter nonsense. Maybe these guys have determined they are never going to run for Presidente, because they are too nutty to even show up in Iowa. So they are taking their shots, before they get fitted for a padded “safe space”.

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