‘Climate grief’: The growing emotional toll of climate change

From NBC News

Extreme weather and dire climate reports are intensifying the mental health effects of global warming: depression and resignation about the future.

Image: Embers fly above a firefighter as he works to control a backfire as the Delta Fire burns in the Shasta-Trinity National Forest

The Delta Fire rages in Shasta-Trinity National Forest in California on Sept. 6.Noah Berger / AP file

Dec. 24, 2018 / 5:35 AM ‎EST

By Avichai Scher

When the U.N. released its latest climate report in October, it warned that without “unprecedented” action, catastrophic conditions could arrive by 2040.

For Amy Jordan, 40, of Salt Lake City, a mother of three teenage children, the report caused a “crisis.”

“The emotional reaction of my kids was severe,” she told NBC News. “There was a lot of crying. They told me, ‘We know what’s coming, and it’s going to be really rough.’ “

She struggled too, because there wasn’t much she could do for them. “I want to have hope, but the reports are showing that this isn’t going to stop, so all we can do is cope,” she said.

The increasing visibility of climate change, combined with bleak scientific reports and rising carbon dioxide emissions, is taking a toll on mental health, especially among young people, who are increasingly losing hope for their future. Experts call it “climate grief,” depression, anxiety and mourning over climate change.

Last year, the American Psychological Association issued a report on climate change’s effect on mental health. The report primarily dealt with trauma from extreme weather but also recognized that “gradual, long-term changes in climate can also surface a number of different emotions, including fear, anger, feelings of powerlessness, or exhaustion.”

In the last few months, a string of reports have delivered dire warnings. The U.N. report said the worst effects — such as the flooding of coastal areas caused by rising sea levels, drought, food shortages and more frequent and severe natural disasters — could arrive as soon as 2040. In November, the Trump administration released a report with similarly alarming findings. Both reports said cutting greenhouse gas emissions could still avert many of these effects, but a study earlier this month found that after holding steady from 2014 to 2016, emissions rose in 2017 and are on course to hit an all-time high in 2018.

The reports came amid a string of powerful natural disasters, including some that wiped out entire communities, such as Paradise, California, incinerated by the Camp Fire, and Mexico Beach, Florida, washed away by Hurricane Michael.

According to a Yale survey taken this year, anxiety is rising in the U.S. over the climate. Sixty-two percent of people surveyed said they were at least “somewhat” worried about the climate, up from 49 percent in 2010. The rate of those who described themselves as “very” worried was 21 percent, about double the rate of a similar study in 2015. Only 6 percent said humans can and will reduce global warming.

Dr. Lise van Susteren, a psychiatrist in Washington and co-founder of the Climate Psychiatry Alliance, said it’s becoming harder for patients to ignore the threats of climate change.

“For a long time we were able to hold ourselves in a distance, listening to data and not being affected emotionally,” she said. “But it’s not just a science abstraction anymore. I’m increasingly seeing people who are in despair, and even panic. “

A 10-Step Program for Climate Grief

After the U.N. report was released, Jordan looked for a way to help her children cope. She saw a sign at her church for a support group that deals with the issue, the Good Grief Network.

Founded by Aimee Reau, 30, and LaUra Schmidt, 32, Good Grief offers a 10-step program to help people deal with collective grief — issues that affect a whole society, like racism, mass shootings and climate grief.

The program runs as a 10-week cycle, each weekly meeting tackling a different step. It’s currently in its third cycle in Salt Lake City and is also running online. The steps encourage participants to confront their climate fears and sadness and acknowledge that they are part of the problem as polluters in a carbon-fueled system, but also find the motivation and strength to be part of the solution.

“What helps people is building community, talking openly about the problem and how it affects them,” Schmidt told NBC News. “There’s a lot of pain about the climate people are bottling up.”

For Jordan, who works as an interpreter of American Sign Language, the program has been helpful.

“Grieving with other people is so healing, being able to talk openly and cry it out,” she said. “We look each other in the eye and say, ’this is really happening.’ ”

Jordan plans to bring the program back to her family and hopes that it will help her kids cope. “They express sadness over the loss of animal species and anxiety over the unknown, like if there will be enough food in the future and where people displaced by rising seas will live,” she said.

In September, Reau and Schmidt presented their program at Uplift Climate, an annual conference on climate change for people under 30, held entirely outdoors. This year’s event was held in New Mexico’s Cibola National Forest.

Aimee Reau, left, and LaUra Schmidt, creators of the Good Grief Network, hold a sign listing their 10 steps to deal with climate grief at the Uplift Climate conference in September.

Aimee Reau, left, and LaUra Schmidt, creators of the Good Grief Network, hold a sign listing their 10 steps to deal with climate grief at the Uplift Climate conference in September.Avichai Scher / For NBC News

“Is this the climate change depression session?” asked Kelton Manzanares, 27, from Utah.

“You’re in the right place,” replied Schmidt. Manzanares took his place in the circle of about 20 people in a patch of grass.

Schmidt asked participants what they wanted to get out of the session.

“Hope,” said one woman.

“Empowerment,” said another.

“It’s OK to feel sadness, grief and despair,” Schmidt told the group. “We’ll aim to normalize those hard feelings.”

Manzanares explained that drought has hit his community hard. Springs that were once flowing are now dry. Hungry and thirsty cattle are ruining once pristine land by scrounging for nourishment wherever they can find it. “I feel like I’m in a state of mourning or grieving when I think about it,” he said.

Bill McKibben, a climate activist for over 30 years who runs the climate advocacy organization 350.org, said groups like Good Grief can be an effective way to deal with climate grief.

“We can’t just be individuals, we need to join together and be a movement,” he said in an interview. “It makes you less grief-stricken. The best antidote to feeling powerless is activism. It doesn’t make you less sad, but adds hope, solidarity and love.”

Even though the latest U.N. report was a “kick in the stomach” for him, he cautioned that those experiencing existential grief over climate change are not its main victims. “It’s poor communities with flimsy homes that are washing away,” he said.

Distraught Over Having Kids

Almost all of the young people interviewed for this article said they were struggling with the ethical implications of having children.

“I’m definitely not having kids,” said Marcela Mulholland, 21, a student at the University of Florida in Orlando and a participant in the Uplift session. “I don’t have hope that we will avoid climate catastrophe. The changes that need to happen aren’t happening.”

Jordan said she used to talk with her kids about becoming parents someday. “I’d say, ‘You’ll be such a good dad.’ Now, it feels wrong. They don’t talk about it anymore either,” she said.

Antonia Cereijido, 26, a radio producer in New York City, is conflicted. “If I did have kids, they would have the worst life ever,” she said. But an environmental scientist told her that raising a climate-conscious child could be better than not having a child. “That did wonders for my anxiety, hearing that from a scientist. So now I’m not sure.”

At Uplift, Manzanares, who was about to become a father, said having a baby gives him hope. “It’s the most positive affirmation I can make about the future,” he said. “We aren’t giving up. This is a multigenerational problem.”

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144 thoughts on “‘Climate grief’: The growing emotional toll of climate change

  1. “I want to have hope, but the reports are showing that this isn’t going to stop, so all we can do is cope,”

    This is EXACTLY how I feel about liberals in Congress! LOL

      • ‘Climate grief’: The growing emotional toll of climate change ALARMISM.

        They totally miss the origins of ‘Climate grief’, and in the process produce more climate change ALARMISM.

        • Yes, the psychological problems are caused by climate industry propaganda, not by climate change, itself.

          Sometimes those psychological problems are so severe that they are deadly. Just ask the bereaved family members of David Buckel, Francisco Lotero, or Miriam Coletti, or the victims of Ted Kaczynski.
          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7344329/Baby-survives-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html

          The reality of manmade climate change is just the opposite. thanks, in part, to the benefits of higher CO2 levels, famines are rarer now than they’ve ever been before, in all of human history!

          Some here are old enough to remember the Bangladesh famine in the 1970s (when CO2 was only about 330 ppmv). But places like India and Bangladesh are now suffering from food gluts instead of famines.

          Thousands of scientific studies show that elevated CO2 is responsible for an average agricultural productivity increase of about 20%, and as CO2 levels rise that benefit continues to increase.

          The significant harms of manmade climate change are all either purely hypothetical or immeasurably tiny. Sea-level rise has not measurably accelerated. Hurricanes have not measurably worsened. Severe tornadoes have measurably declined. Temperature increases are tiny, and innocuous. There’s no mass species extinction going on. The polar bears are doing fine.

          The Earth’s climate is better than it’s been in at least seven hundred years, in fact probably better than it’s been in thousands of years. Rising CO2 levels are “greening” the planet, and helping to make agriculture more productive than it has ever been.
          https://www.sealevel.info/greening_earth_spatial_patterns_Myneni.html

          The greatest environmental damage is being done by climate mitigation programs. As vast swaths of the United States, Brazil, and east Asia are planted with monoculture corn, sugarcane & oil palms, to make “biofuels,” to “fight climate change,” biodiversity there goes nearly to zero. But that’s not due to climate change, itself, it’s due to misguided efforts to mitigate climate change.

          Where manmade climate change affects the environment, the effect is generally positive. For instance, it has drastically increased biodiversity in large parts of the Sahel, as reported in National Geographic:
          https://www.sealevel.info/Owen2009_Sahara_Desert_Greening-atGeo30639457.html

          EXCERPT:

          “Images taken between 1982 and 2002 revealed extensive regreening throughout the Sahel, according to a new study in the journal Biogeosciences. / The study suggests huge increases in vegetation in areas including central Chad and western Sudan. …
          “’Before, there was not a single scorpion, not a single blade of grass,’ he said. “’Now you have people grazing their camels in areas which may not have been used for hundreds or even thousands of years. You see birds, ostriches, gazelles coming back, even sorts of amphibians coming back… The trend has continued for more than 20 years. It is indisputable.’”‍‍‍‍‍‍

          The best evidence is that manmade climate change is modest and benign, and CO2 emissions are beneficial, rather than harmful. Learn more here:
          https://sealevel.info/learnmore

          • In the link you presented from sealevel info, the few red areas appear to be at the fringes of the Amazon, in equatorial East Africa, and western China or maybe even into Tibet, I would hazard a guess that those declines could all be “man-made”, but not in any way linked to CO2 increase. I’m talking about the deforestation to plant “bio-fuels” crops? That’s just my first guess, I have no data to support that, does anyone have data to support or refute my guess?

          • Thanks for the factual information, David. Seems cockamamie that it’s in the comments section while alarmist propaganda is the story. I wonder if NBC has ever returned the favor and published a WUWT article. But why would they?

        • “Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.” I challenge you to listen to NPR “news” from 6 to 8 AM and NOT get out of bed feeling like shooting yourself. THAT’S the power of the left’s propaganda. It’s why they play everything for emotional impact, facts irrelevant.

          The larger problem is that modern society has lost all respect for the power of nature. You have to be pretty ignorant to believe that fires, floods, hurricanes etc. never happened before 1980. Public “education” has purposely left out many “inconvenient truths” which would provide much-needed context to what is seen daily on the TV screen.

          To put it another way, these people aren’t half as “bright” as they look.

    • Get ready for much, much more of the same, to wit:

      Pelosi taps Florida Democrat to lead climate change panel

      House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi has appointed Florida Rep. Kathy Castor to lead a special committee on climate change that will be reinstated in the new Congress.

      Pelosi, the likely House speaker, said Castor brings experience, energy and “urgency to the existential threat of the climate crisis” facing the United States and the world. Castor is set to begin her seventh term representing the Tampa Bay area and serves on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-taps-florida-democrat-to-lead-climate-change-panel

      • Before any of these politicians do anything regarding CO2, which is going to change our lives, we should require them to supply us the evidence on which they base their decisions to build windmills or impose a carbon tax or whatever other crazy scheme they come up with..

        Before we take political action on CAGW, the People should demand that the politicians prove their case that CO2 is changing the Earth’s atmosphere in a detrimental way. We want EVIDENCE not assumptions, assertions or speculation. Just the evidence please. If you don’t have any evidence, then go away.

        All this hysteria and NO, I repeat NO evidence of CAGW.

        The way these CAGW True Believers can eliminate their stress is to realize they have been duped about the effects of CO2. CO2 is not detrimental to the atmosphere or human health.

        Before you drive yourself nuts over it, ask some Alarmist to provide some evidence that CO2 is actually causing the Earth’s climate to change, and when they can’t supply that evidence, then you will know that CAGW is a fraud and the Earth’s atmosphere and humanity’s future are perfectly safe.

        Look what the CAGW Liars have done to these poor people. When the people they have duped find out, they are not going to be happy.

        Human-caused Climate Change/Global Warming is the biggest, most costly scam in history. The perpetrators should be held to account.

        • I wholeheartedly agree! Unfortunately, the mind is powerful in it’s ability to subjectively create realities.

          My wife is a teacher. She stood at the front doors of her school with her principal looking out at a typical Canadian snow storm (you know, the kind the alarmists have said are a thing of the past). As they watched the snow come down he turned to my wife and said: ” If that’s not proof of global warming I don’t what is.”

          Last March I went into a local take out restaurant. I commented to the man behind the counter about how cold and rainy it was outside. He replied: “Yeah, definitely a sign of climate change, but politicians don’t want to admit it and its just going to get worse.”

          This is the self-deluded nature of the climate fearful. In both stories the weather was normal Canadian weather. What we were experiencing that March was exactly what the weather in Canada is like in March, cold and rainy (sometimes snowy).

          All the world is a climate Jonestown.

          • I overhear idiots state garbage like this all the time. We just had a SNOW change to RAIN storm here at MSP a couple of days ago and an ignorant friend of mine made into a global warming comment on my FB post about the storm. I am a meteorologist so I post info concerning local storms. So I describe the storm and how it will change to rain and he says, ‘Yeah that’s normal in MSP in the winter’. to which I rolled my eyes than showed him that snow trends in MSP are up over the long term and this sort of wx scenario happens regularly here, especially in Dec if not any other winter month.. EVERYTHING to them is climate change/global warming when it comes to weather. Makes me sick. I told him I am not interested in playing this stupid game.

          • “All the world is a climate Jonestown.” That’s a good line. But it only seems true because the alarmists control the megaphones and drown out the voices of sanity. They even reach WUWT, which makes them seem especially dominant.

        • You are correct, Tom Abbott, …. but you also know Pelosi, …… she will tell the “climate loonies” that …… “they have to pass the Climate Change Legislation Bill before they can know what is in the Climate Change Legislation Bill.

    • The ideological vacuum of substance in these claims is abhorrent. Per Louis Althusser, ideology is “the imagined existence (or idea) of things as it relates to the real conditions of existence”.

      Public grandstanding reinforces the epistemological approach to confirming the ideological existence of climate change. Therefore, it is unlikely that these benighted souls who want the comforting reassurance that they are not alone in their angst-ridden but undefined feelings of guilt about ‘something’ (over which they have no control) will find any solace in the reality that they may have been taken for a ride.

      If you can’t sort that out, well —
      I’d like to build the world a home
      And furnish it with love
      With apple trees and honey bees
      And snow-white turtle doves.
      I’d like to teach the world to sing
      In perfect harmony
      I’d like to buy the world a Coke
      And keep it company.

      I feel much better now.

      • In a strange and somewhat perverse way, the very benefits of a fossil fuel driven world have resulted in too much leisure time for the masses. Freedom from the back-breaking work involved in eking out a living that our ancestors had to endure only 150 years ago means that these people can devote their energies to climate anxiety. If they were spending 14 hours a day laboring in the fields just to have enough to eat, I can guarantee you that climate anxiety would not be an issue.

        • Trebla – December 29, 2018 at 3:54 am

          Freedom from the back-breaking work involved in eking out a living that our ancestors had to endure only 150 years ago

          Trebla, the above also applied to the evolution of our early human ancestors of 1,000,000+ years ago.

          If they (150 years ago) were spending 14 hours a day laboring in the fields just to have enough to eat,

          Shur nuff, Trebla, ….. and if our early human ancestors of 1,000,000+ years ago were having to spend most all of their awake hours of every day, ….. evading predators that wanted to eat them and looking for enough food to eat to survive, ….. they sure as ell didn’t have time for sitting around inventing tools.

    • it’s hot today in Newcastle, Australia. 35C and not much of a sea breeze here next to the beach.

      Our son has just ended his swing in the Pilbara gas fields, last temparature he took was 49.5C yesterday.

      Now he is in Japan -2C. Climate change, hey?

    • Yep, weather and her extremes have always and will always occur.. IT’S COMING CHILDREN! (good effing grief these people are sick)

  2. this is sick…..they have brainwashed several generations with this crap

    “hearing that from a scientist.”….anyone that stupid deserves it

    • A life’s lesson in the making.
      When they realise that they’ve been lied to, it will destroy the mysticism of the expert / scientists. They will grow up a little; be a little wiser, a little smarter.

  3. Better than the Onion. Real world unconscious satire.

    And the good news is, some of these snowflakes say they won’t procreate, so fewer future mental health problems.

    • Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies. -Groucho Marx

      • I subscribe to Mark Twain’s theory on politicians… Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently and for the same reason.

    • Snowflake culture is killing our kids. link The antidote seems to be Jordan Peterson.

      These snowflakes go to college where snowflake culture is inculcated. Their reward is that, because of their student loans, they become the equivalent of indentured servants. link It’s a bad deal all round and the snowflakes lack the resilience to do anything about it. Intellectually fraudulent postmodern ‘scholars’ have taken over our schools aided and abetted by an ever expanding college administration. By destroying the snowflake generation, they may have succeeded in doing more damage to the country than even the most vile climate scientists.

  4. Shows you the effect of propaganda. Looking back the Germans wonder how they were duped into supporting genocide yet the answer is clear. In the end the scientists and media will blame each other and the politicians will blame both. Meanwhile the UN will go on with new extortion attempts in a never ending game to become the one world government.

  5. I remember when “catastrophic conditions” were going to arrive by 2000, then 2005, then 2010, then 2015, …

    • Come on, get with the program. It’s 2030!

      A complete coincidence that this date matches with the socialist new world order defined in Agenda 2030, naturally…

      • Well, no, the article says as soon as 2040.

        As for me, I’m more concerned about the sun going red giant in a couple billion years. Fortunately by then we should be about 30 years away from cheap abundant fusion power!

    • We have twelve (well maybe now about 11.5) years to get “it” done.

      I’m not sure what “it” is.

      Does anybody know the specifics of what we have to get done in the next 12 years?

      • Dismantle the US Constitution, eliminate nation states, implement global socialism. That’s it in broad strokes.

        • I think they aim at destroying the nation, the state is to be ceized. The constitution is already not respected.

          • The Constitution is only words on very old paper, if it’s not also written on the heart of each American citizen.

      • I plead not guilty! I had nothing to do with it! Nothing, I tell you!

        I’m going to go buy the World a Coke and teach it how to sing.

        Does anyone besides me wonder if the price of cannabis will go up because of things like this? There’s not stock in it on the market just yet, but still….

        • The horrendous “sales & use” taxes that are being added to “the price of legal cannabis” by the States and local jurisdictions ….. have already begun “driving” the black-market sales of cannabis back “underground”.

          The “street” price is less than the “store” price.

  6. Showing little kids there is no boogey man under the bed can work to relieve anxiety, even if what the kid wanted all along was to be paid some attention.
    McKibben is insisting the boogey man is there, and has fangs, and eats sleeping children. Fundraising from the naïve with the promise of saving them from the climate boogey man is more than a bit unethical.

    • If I ever had the chance to meet Mr McKibben, I would ask him this question –
      “in 1988, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was ~ 350 ppm. You maintain this is the ‘safe’ level for the climate, and what humans must now aspire to bring about once more. So are you actually saying that prior to 1988 the plant experienced a minimal number of catastrophic hurricanes, cyclones, tornadoes, floods, droughts, wildfires, blizzards, heatwaves, etc, and that 350 ppm CO2 will render these occurrences ‘tolerable’?”
      (And a indulgent follow-up question would be – “Mr McKibben, have you ever read any history?”

  7. An alternative approach is to take advantage of these suckers. For example, buying stocks of companies that sell antidepressants. But this will work for 5 years tops, after what it will be too clear that it is all a scam, and then people will not be depressed, but angry.

  8. “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”.- Charles Mackay.
    People go mad in herds and regain their sanity slowly and one by one.

  9. Insanity is contagious and Climate Insanity, as sponsored by the IPCC, is highly contagious. Having captured the Media, Universities and education the Left can control and foster the spread of the insanity and prevent innoculation against it.

    • On another article, we have several of the usual trolls proclaiming that the AGW crowd has never, ever, not even once, made any catastrophic predictions.

    • United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network (UNSDSN)

      Members: Some 800 global chapters/groups.

      Full list. And/or use search and enter country name to refine the search.
      https://networks.unsdsn.org/members

      Appears to be mostly academic institutions according to the list.

      Networks again?

  10. Imagine how they’ll feel if they figure out that they’re simply pawns — that the despair they are made to feel is merely a tool to help enact wealth transfers. Do you think they’ll mind?

    Actually, after making such a deep emotional commitment to their views, they will be lifelong alarmists no matter what the eventual outcomes of science or temperature trends. They can 90 years old, shivering in North Carolina, and they will remain True Believers, as their internal rationalization mechanisms won’t allow them to believe they were ever manipulated like that.

    • Memory says, “I was duped.” Pride says, “I’m too smart to be duped.” Eventually, Memory’s voice fades to a whisper, but Pride never stops shouting.

  11. Without CC™ what would these people do with their otherwise empty lives⸮
    Like Cavafy’s ‘barbarians’, CC™ is a kind of solution.

  12. I bit,I scanned the article..no mention on the fees.
    I presume these lovies are providing their services free of charge?
    Well I would, except what an opportunity to help the profession.
    “Oh yes your grief is well founded,step this way,please deposit your wallets in the green bin..”

    But on second thought,we should be cashing in too.
    People this gullible need all the help we can give them.

    Remember as long as they are broke and scratching for a living they will not have the leisure time to interfer with everyone else’s lives,living and luxury and being involved in working for a living might just shut them up on their endless hectoring and slack-jawed salvation spiels.

    “Uplift” is a brilliant marketing scheme.
    The “concerned ones” need as much of this kind of help as possible.

  13. Mao did this. It worked great. People stopped growing food and only did industry. When winter came they all starved. They were promised central planning would be used to feed them.
    NOW the propagandists say if we destroy our well operating society the new one they have planned for us will be better and work just fine. When asked how, they just say they will work that out latter its the idea that counts.
    THIS is not going to work out well for the societies that really go for zero carbon dioxide produced from carbon based life forms.
    If western countries go full solar and wind and we have one big volcano go off. They will be back to the stone age in a few months. Those countries with oil and gas infrastructure including vehicles will do far better and be more resilient.

  14. Why the hell are they so upset?
    In discussions I’ve been told time and again that there’s nothing ‘catastrophic’ about it and the term is never used by climate scientists.

    I don’t know where they dug up:

    When the U.N. released its latest climate report in October, it warned that without “unprecedented” action, catastrophic conditions could arrive by 2040.

    Apparently it is better known as ‘Mildly Inconvenient, but possibly barely detectable Climate Change’
    (MIBPBDCC).

  15. This is Lucy Van Pelt psychiatry.
    “Doc, I feel sad all the time about the weather, and all the animals going extinct, and how the earth will be destroyed, and it’s all our fault.”
    “What you have is called “Climate Anxiety”. That’ll be $500 please.

  16. Shame on the pervasive malpractice that brings to this point. Show the children the clouds, the raindrops, the snow. Feel the wind and see how the soaring birds rise on the thermals. Watch and listen as a thunderstorm teaches us loudly that heat cannot be “trapped” at the surface for long. And if they come home from school expecting climate doom, ask them, “Who told you that?”

    • Aided and abetted by years of US doctors handing out narcotics prescriptions like candy to get higher patient satisfaction ratings and thus more Obamacare money. And by a good number of those prescription holders selling their excess pills on the streets for extra income.

      Now the kneejerk over-regulation of opioids in response has made it much harder for chronic pain sufferers and other legitimate patients to get medications that actually work for them. 🙁

  17. These Climate Councillors are dangerous; as they merely reinforce the very fears that cause the problem.
    A good dose of honest, down to earth scientific education is what is required.
    The internet addresses of the reputable sceptical websites and blogs would be a good start.
    But would these people be grateful having the cause of their depression removed?
    I expect most will fight tooth and nail to continue with their indulgence.

  18. I suffered a different version of Climate Grief prior to 2006 – worry that there was no counter view to that of the alarmists – and that we were irrevocably on a path of sqaunderimg of humanity’s progress by chasing the nightmares invented by a very select group of scientists and politicians that had managed to play on the need for humans to be saved – primarily gaining its foothold after the summit in Rio in 1992.

    It might be a bit of an exaggeration but the arrival of WUWT in 2006 nearly 15 years later was the peer support that I needed to push back against the depression I felt since 1992 as a result of the constant doomsday drumbeat.

    Keep on keeping on with WUWT. Thank you Tony and all who make it work. It’s the best climate grief medication one can get.

    • “Amy Jordan, 40, of Salt Lake City, a mother of three teenage children”

      I wondered which of the predicted climate catastrophes would be affecting them in Salt Lake City.

      Arctic sea ice melt reducing polar bear populations – nope!
      Greenland and Antarctic ice melt causing sea level rise – nope!
      Drought caused forest fires in California – nope!
      Warmer oceans causing more hurricanes – nope!
      Warmer oceans causing more rain in rainy areas – nope!
      No more snow causing Utah ski resorts to close – Yep! This must be the cause of their grief.

      Somebody should tell them their only real worry from CAGW will be freezing in winter due to adoption of renewable powered electricity.

      SR

  19. OK, what I really want to know is ….What the heck is an “Indirect HT/Marcus” ?

    Sorry, couldn’t resist…LOL : )

    • This is one of my favorite skits of all time. I was training to do some group counseling, and the trainer shared this video. She explained that I should never use this method, but that I would want to all the time.

      She was right.

  20. “Imagine how they’ll feel if they figure out that they’re simply pawns — that the despair they are made to feel is merely a tool to help enact wealth transfers. Do you think they’ll mind? ”

    The French have already found out, and it has just cost France billions while ordinary people rebel.
    Meanwhile french police helicopters buzz the groups of yellows and stick all their car number plates through ANPR and feed it into a database+data mine the French social media for the faces….

    When people realise how scams work, they usually start getting pretty violent, which is of course why Putin has just voted a law in Russia to try to keep the increasingly restless young generation in check, by doing what?

    Scamming their parents & kids via their schools into participating in a national database with facial recognition software, identification of possible trouble makers from school records, and then fining parents impossible and crippling sums of money if their kids are ever found to be doing what people in democracies have a right to do:-

    Kick out their governments and demand justice against all those that created the mayhem and the scams in the first place.

    Macron was first.
    Now with a sly 2% increase in VAT in Russia, cripplingly low salaries and forcing people to work til they drop dead, the next cinema likely to having a seance is likely to be RUSSIA, followed rapidly by a rebellion in Italy, Greece, Spain and a good deal of Germany.

    Authoritarian states are taking a copy book from China who are doing as Chinese do, DUMPING and exporting on the world market all the tools which George Orwell was warning us all about.

    • “When people realise how scams work, they usually start getting pretty violent”

      I believe it was someone who once said that people would rather be scammed than be told they’ve been scammed, so I’d like to take a moment to discuss safety. Victims of scams can be surprisingly violent for their size. Normally this behavior would be unproblematic, if not a Good Thing in absolute terms—revenge being man’s earliest, pre-agrarian attempt at a justice system, and such hard-won adaptations being nothing to sneeze at in any case. The one caveat, however, and I feel almost silly for warning everyone about this, is that this violent energy is not always released in the pro-social direction one might ideally like to hope it would be, viz. along a straight path from scammee to scammer, particularly not at first. In fact the human penchant for misguiding, displacing and sadly wasting the initial flourish of homicidal resentment is so common that the Internet even has a name for the phenomenon: ‘shooting the messenger.’ Happily, bulletproof vest technology is probably more advanced and affordable than it has been for several years, so there’s no excuse for not wearing it when you deprogram a relative or other loved one this Christmas.

    • Perhaps there’s some mileage in the ‘pawn’ imagery to convince these climate activists that they are being ‘used’ by rich people. Puppetry could be another way to show it. Sheep?

      King Gore sending his pawns in as sacrifices could be a good one though.

  21. ““We can’t just be individuals, we need to join together and be a movement,” he said in an interview. “It makes you less grief-stricken. The best antidote to feeling powerless is activism. It doesn’t make you less sad, but adds hope, solidarity and love.””

    The left’s solution to everything. Do they serve Kool-Aid? If so, you’d better ask “What’s in this drink?”

    • join other sheep
      or become a lemming?
      all this sort of behavior does is reinforce their dose of stupid
      stop it! is way and above brilliant advice

  22. Distraught Over Having Kids

    “I’m definitely not having kids,” said Marcela Mulholland, 21, a student at the University of Florida in Orlando and a participant in the Uplift session. “I don’t have hope that we will avoid climate catastrophe. The changes that need to happen aren’t happening.”

    Good to know these people are removing themselves from the gene pool.

  23. I’ll be 71 in February and I’ve heard all this doomsday BS before, in the 60’s we were going to die in an atomic nightmare, in the 70’s, the coming ice age. I forget what the doomsday was in the 80’s and 90’s because I stopped listening I had too much living to do to worry about dying but I know there was something because there’s always something. This particular hysteria has lasted longer then most but it too will pass. I blame the gullible parents for most of the problems claimed to be affecting young people. If they had let them be kids and let them suffer defeats etc. they would be more resilient and not the namby-bamby snowflakes that surround us.

    • The sad thing is children are being damaged in order to advance adult political goals. That’s child abuse.

      If parents knowingly allow or encourage such abuse, they are guilty as well.

  24. Here in Australia the Australian Psychological Society is peddling the loony CC™. I have written to them saying that I am often called upon to help do the opposite of what they suggest, eg de-program CC™ victims, and that I am aware of at least two members of their organisation who are doing the same. Without naming them of course.
    We need not only a comprehensive program, but because one approach does not necessarily suit every victim, there needs to be some method of collecting information on successes and failures. I now have a bit more time and fewer commitments, so I will make a start. I would need to involve at least one psychologist, but I guess that would need to be someone older, independent or retired. the two I am aware of who are helping are younger, so might risk their careers by participating.

    • and isnt that last sentence telling?
      young ones who speak up risk their career
      warmist meme mentality then says the elders speaking up “had it all” and have white or other “priveledge” and should be ignored
      same as in so many fields where science/authority by concensus /status quo, is used as control and a weapon against others

  25. What they actually have is what could be called “Climate Neurosis”, and is caused mainly by years of being bombarded with Alarmist climate propaganda, and also by guzzling the Klimate Koolade. Maybe they enjoy their neuroses, and wear them as a badge of honor, making them martyrs for the Climate Cause. But they should take Bob Newhart’s advice and just STOP IT!

    • I think you have reached THE DEAD ZONE of DESPERATION. INSOMNIA will soon follow. It and I say IT can only lead to MISERY so don’t make ROSE MADDER by calling her on your CELL.

      You must take THE STAND and walk THE GREEN MILE towards THE SHINING light (don’t worry it’s not a FIRESTARTER).

      But CARRIE on.

      PS. Has anyone seen my dog, CUJO around SALEM’S LOT?

      Last posted 11/22/63

  26. Trigger warning, a few colorful expressions ahead:

    Imagine the giddy relief these poor scared bastards are going to feel when they learn it’s all bullshit and that they’ve been lied to for an entire generation by people claiming to be scientists, leaders and experts. Imagine how amused they’ll be to find out they believed people who couldn’t tell their ass from a Greenpeace activist.

    Oh, wait, maybe they’ll get mad when they learn that. Maybe they’ll start reaching for their pitchforks and clubs. The French are crazy enough that the yellow vest mobs might even be tempted to start dusting off the old madam le guillotine. Now, are we SURE that none of our American climate scientists don’t want to go over and practice their dark magic in Paris, as Macron has invited? Won’t you go, please?

    • I feel another blow is coming for EU CAGW types. I think the Germans are going to start openly protecting their car industry and rejecting the EU rules on emissions and crap like that. They don’t want their awesome car companies ruined by EU meddling, subsidies, and market twisting of forced electric vehicles. For sure, Mercedes and BMW and Audi might build a few hybrids or all electric plug ins. But these cars will be extremely expensive, and not many people in the world will be able to afford them. In the end, they need to export gasoline and diesel powered cars for their bottom lines. This is one industry that helps Germany fund the EU welfare state. If Germany doesn’t sell cars, there might not be any money for the EU at all. So if they kill this industry, Germans might just become as reactionary as the French are being. And if they DON’T kill it, and keep on selling really well built ICE cars, and thumbing their noses at CO2 regulations, then this will be just another nail in the coffin of CAGW belief for some of the more gullible Europeans (why did I just flash on the name Griff, just then?). It should be interesting to watch.

    • its that rage against the crap I was also fed as a teenager just like these poor bastards now that has me so vocal and irate with the warmists
      I figure ive spent 9 yrs now fighting and will have maybe 20 to keep battling this idiocy, and im NOT going to stop until theyre exposed for the lying self interested mongrel sods they are. I hope many end up losing jobs and positions and get jail and public shaming for their actions and damage to so many

  27. It’s called living in a dystopia.

    After the ravages of Savile, Hillsborough, bloody sunday, then constant bombardment by Mcgrath, Attenborough, Hulot, Royale and now Macron, and of course the European parliament, the natural reaction of sane people (that rare stuff called common sense…) is to recognise we are living in a world that has gone mad.

    The inmates are running the asylum, while the window dressing of “GDPR” was driving a STASI like coach and horses through all of it.

    No wonder people are acting like deer blinded by car headlights.
    They are told one thing by the BBC, then told the complete opposite 5 mins later.
    Our poor kids. What a world to be brought up in.

    On one side, Putin with his hyper zapping monster missiles, on the other side the schools and hospitals are falling down. (I have a Russian family).

    Then, on the other side, we are told Trump is now best mates with Mr Nutcase NK dictator who executed his uncle with an anti aircraft gun, and has managed to shake up an entire mountain with a nuke of 200kT.
    I am not as optimistic as our 71 yr old friend.
    There’s a few nutters who have made their mark in history.

    One of them tried to invade Russian in 1810-15.
    He wasn’t alone.
    We have some alcoholic nutcases currently running the EU commission who were stupid enough to appoint an Enarque to handle Brexit…
    You couldn’t make it up!

    Horror novel?
    The only true British escape route is to LAUGH!
    One friend of mine always said the British could never become a dictatorship because of the inefficiency of the bureaucracy.
    I hold less hope for the rest of Europe.

  28. It appears the only thing that the BBC actually reports truthfully is prefaced by “SAILING BY” and finished with the national anthem.

    Anything between the morning version and the evening one needs to be treated with the profoundest suspicion, with the possible exception of the early morning “farming today”.

  29. I myself am grief stricken. I am grief stricken because the power-mad, money-loving global warming pushers are causing real and true environmental catastrophes to go unresolved. Catastrophes like acres and acres of farmland, prairies, and forests being replaced with mined aluminum, energy-expensive concrete, toxic chemicals, and energy-expensive rare earth metals. And doing all that is called being green.

    Catastrophes like the pollution at lithium mines and neodymium mines in China.
    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_UdqZdFr-w&w=560&h=315%5D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_UdqZdFr-w

    Catastrophes like the polluted Ganges River. Catastrophes like illegal poaching in Africa. And I could go on. Real and true environmental problems are unresolved while billions upon billions are being put into the pockets of advocates who tell us the only solution to a problem whose only proof requires the ad populum logical fallacy is for me (not them) to give up money and rights. When I think of how many birds have to die in windfarms, it causes me grief. When I see litter on the side of the road because people are too inconsiderate to use a trash can, it causes me grief. When I think of how many people do not have access to clean drinking water, it causes me grief. But what causes me anger is knowing that the money is being spent on climate change instead of on real environmental problems.

  30. These people are sick. They need to seek professional help – no, really. They’re likely to have serious mental issues when ACTUAL crises arrive in their lives. And they surely will. Sigh.

  31. The Establishment keep screaming at us that we are going to have more heatwaves, longer heatwaves, hotter heatwaves.
    So I look at the official data from my home town of Melbourne. The evidence is simply not there.
    Here is a time series showing the hottest temperature reached each year from the Melbourne Regional site, which was closed down in 2015 and the different climatology of Olympic Park commenced. The same pattern of no crisis is found when I look at heatwaves over the years of 1, 3, 5, 10 consecutive days duration. Or, if I look at the number of days each year above the old Century mark.
    Why is Melbourne so outstandingly exempt from the Establishment scares? Well, it is not, because I did not find much evidence to be frightened by the past heatwave records of Perth, Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane or Hobart either.
    Therefore, as a logical, scientific person I concluded that there is little to fear when evidence does not support the official narrative (except fear for the future of observational science). Geoff
    http://www.geoffstuff.com/melb_hottest_days.jpg

    • At the top of the graph it says “1957 to 2018” instead of 1857 to 2018.

      Melbourne appears to follow the global pattern, i.e., the 1930’s were as warm or warmer than subsequent years.

      That is the true global temperature profile. The “hotter and hotter” bogus, bastardized Hockey Stick chart represent a false temperature profile and is the chief lie in the promotion of the CAGW fraud.

      It was as warm or warmer in the 1930’s, on a worldwide basis than it is today. That means that the Alarmists are wrong and we are NOT experiencing unprecedented levels of warmth today since it is no warmer today than then, and it also means that the current phase of warming beginning in 1980 could be caused entirely by Mother Nature, no CO2 required, since we reached the same level of warmth in the 1930’s without the assistance of CO2 because CO2 was not considered a factor during that time, and that’s even according to the Alarmists.

      The bogus, bastardized Hockey Stick charts are the “evidence” the Alarmists use to push the Lie of CAGW. Therefore, the creators of this false reality should be singled out for the harm they have done to the human race by promoting these lies. They should be put on public display for the liars they are.

  32. So some people are literally driving themselves insane worrying about the climate…

    I’m sorry, not my problem – I don’t really have much pity and no solution for willingly self-inflicted wounds.

    If the predictions and projections of the fearmongers were coming true… I still would be skeptical that Man had anything to do with it. I’m unconvinced that we did anything that got us out of this last Ice Age…no matter what Mann says.

    • I do not think that people with no scientific wherewithal, which includes pretty much all children, can be accurately described as having done this to themselves.
      In general, I am not onboard with the victimization meme, but I think in this case we have some honest to goodness victims.

  33. The greatest incidence of mass hysteria in history.

    When I was a kid, young folks were all anxious about nuclear war, and that had a much greater probability of happening.

    • “The greatest incidence of mass hysteria in history.”

      Yes, mass delusion, in the information age.

      Why has this happened? Because those who are perpetrating the false reality of CAGW have control of all of society’s information sources and they have been spewing these lies for decades practically unopposed in the public square. They have been very successful at deluding millions of people, some to the point of panic.

      This Information Monopoly has a couple of problems though: They don’t control *all* the information. There are still voices like WUWT who try to stick to the facts. And they don’t control the temperatures.

      While CO2 keeps increasing the temperatures are falling. That’s not what the CAGW speculation says should happen. It should be getting hotter with more CO2 in the atmosphere, but it’s not getting hotter, it’s getting cooler.

      Since the El Nino high temperature reached in Feb. 2016, the global temperature has *cooled* by about 0.6C. The Alarmists only hope is that the temperatures start to climb again, but it may be a while.

      After the previous high temperature in the El Nino year of 1998 (0.1C cooler than Feb. 2016, a statistical tie) cooled off, it took 18 years before the temperature climbed back to that level again in 2016. So the Alarmists may be in for a long wait before they can start chanting “hotter and hotter” again.

      Here’s a UAH satellite temperature chart. See for yourself just how much the temperatures have cooled since 2016. Ask the Alarmists how they explain this cooling in the face of increased CO2.

      https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_November_2018_v6.jpg

  34. Well, I think it’s a good sign really.
    I have no wish for anyone to be depressed or anxious, but however much they would like to, they simply cannot change the weather with carbon taxes or bans on SUVs and plastic bags. The sooner they resign themselves to this, the sooner they may be able to control their anxieties and the better for all of us.

    If they experience any feelings of anger during this process I think they ought to consider directing their anger towards the people who have actually made it their life’s work to frighten others with pseudo-scientific fairy tales about global warming. And often do so for good money, I might add. The wages of sin are still pretty good in climate science.

    Even now, at Christmas, BBC activists have been concocting an outrageous list of recent bad weather events to be blamed on global warming. And this is done while simultaneously quoting climate charlatan Michael Mann as some kind of authority, the man responsible for the most nefarious piece of scientific fraud since Piltdown Man over a century ago and yet far more economically damaging. The wider effect of that on science is the “climate grief” I am suffering.

  35. The left thrives on manufactured social, economic and environmental problems in order to sustain it’s politics.

  36. This is same nonsense the Left pulled on the 1980’s over “nuclear winter”. St Elsewhere even ran an episode in which a young boy had recurring nightmares about it. Shameless scare tactics.

  37. It is another attempt to put the genie of Liberty back in the bottle of Government Control of the public. They will come for your freedom, and offer security from the evils of climageddon. And all the security they offer will cost is your support to take away the wealth of the energy producers, who are so recklessly destroying the Earth. And give that money back to the public injured by flood, fire, and snowstorm. And once they have the energy, they will have leverage over most of the industrial, and transportation industries. The rest will get in line if they don’t want to be crushed. This is another round in an ongoing battle for freedom and equality of rights. Just as real as the one Abraham Lincoln expressed at Gettysburg:

    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.

    The question is with large parts of our own government, the UN, the school systems, the media, the Hollywood elites, and the climate apparatchik, fighting to take away our birthright, will the public cower in fear, or fight back and pass on to the next generation the blessings of Liberty?

  38. I reckon the climate campaigners are under some delusion that if we live exactly as Gaia intended (whatever that lifestyle actually is!) then we shall be rewarded with a kind of paradise on earth in which no-one gets sick or old, no-one suffers pain or hunger, and we are all happy.

    The problem with this notion is that history contains nothing to suggest that life before civilisation was anything of the sort. For the most part it was hard, brutal and short.

    I also wonder if maybe there is a Gaia, in the sense of the planet as a whole having a collective sentience. Aware of the risk of plants dying out as CO2 levels became dangerously low, she may have evolved humans as a solution to that problem, being a species with a liking for drilling holes in the ground. 😉

  39. Idol worshippers are not nice people. But even more they are not happy people. These worshippers of Gaia and Government lead a sad, blind existence.

    The first part of the solution to idolatry is to treat the I dol as worthless. If it’s Government, shut it down. If it’s Money, give it away. If it’s Nature, let it fend for itself, at least in an example area.

    The second part of the solution to idolatry is to acknowledge the true God as God, in humility and repentance. He will not abandon us.

    Are you afraid? Fear God and dread naught!

  40. “The wicked flee when no one is chasing them,
    But the righteous are bold as a lion.” —King Solomon

  41. I have this all figured out now. These anxiety-ridden people don’t go to Church. They weren’t brought up in an organized religion, so they have no faith in anything, and while God is an invisible Friend for someone like me, they don’t even have that. Poor things.

    They aren’t even pagans, so they don’t have any pagan gods like Zeus or Odin to call on to set things right. Gaia was an invention of some hippie in the 1960s, but still, the idea settled in and pagan gods came back into style. When there’s a straight-line wind roaring at you, it’s the Wild Hunt. Stuff like that. And there’s Buddhism, which tells you to focus on the problem and find a sensible way to solve your issues with it.

    So I have gone to the trouble of finding an applicable passage from the New Testament, which might give these benighted souls some sort of comfort. It’s from the Book of Matthew: Matthew 6:25-34 American Standard Version (ASV)

    25 Therefore I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment?
    26 Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of much more value than they?
    27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit unto [a]the measure of his life? (Read that again and think about its meaning.)
    28 And why are ye anxious concerning raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
    29 yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
    30 But if God doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
    31 Be not therefore anxious, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
    32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek; for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
    33 But seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
    34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof

    You see what I’m referring to? It addresses environmental issues, soothes anxieties stirred up by an invisible bogeyman, and doesn’t ask for any of your money.

    I may post this in a seemingly sarcastic way, but these people have no faith in anything and have nothing to fall back on. So they form these anxiety therapy circles, feel better about it all for a few minutes, but they still have nothing to fall back on.

    This is not a joke. I see it in the fraud foisted on the gullible by despicable con artists like de Caprio – people who know intrinsically that they are lying in their teeth, but want the attention and whatever cash they can mooch off of their followers. It is disgusting.

    This climate change scam preys on the weak-minded who have never taken on any kind of religion. They endlessly repeat “I believe in –” which is the first sign of a desperate need to have something to turn to. In this case, it is false gods and money-grubbing scoundrels leading them down a treacherous path.

    It’s even worse when they do this to their own children and turn them into neurotic little hamsters who feel trapped by it. It’s no wonder at all these kids are getting strung out on lethal chemicals.

    Encourage them to go to Church. They may find a little peace there.

  42. So the leftist-scum take weather extremes that have always occurred, yet are in many cases becoming less severe (tornadoes, hurricanes etc…) and politicize it to scare the populace into taxing submission? They are a disgusting lot. And I believe nothing they ever say about anything. Great eh?

  43. Psychologically it’s a sad0-mas0chistic compact between many who want to scare and many who want to be scared. Enjoy!

  44. For being brainwashed into thinking a very tiny amount of atmospheric gas is the main reason for the earth’s changing climate, and that humans contribute an even tinier amount of that tiny amount of atmospheric gas, parents should sue the schools and government agencies for child abuse.

  45. Sent this to the BBC in 2013. Did it make a difference no. I suffer consistent grief because of the number of people who believe abating Co2 gives humanity the ability to manipulate or modify our climate. Or because weather is used to foment angst about climate have persuaded themselves to believe we must adopt the precautionary initiative just in case. Liz Bentley CEO WMO in UK said in response to a question from a BBC presenter “how can we avoid climate change” Bentley said “well its little things like leaving the car at home and walking the children to school”.

    How come it is the supposedly well educated with lots of letters after their names have such a heightened capacity for being thick witted and stupid?

    “Fact: Excluding CO2, 99.96% of ‘the sky’ is made up of all the other atmospheric gases. This leaves CO2 at just 0.040% (400 parts per million). For those decision makers who have still not grasped how miniscule this amount is and prefer it explained in simple terms, think of 1 x Imperial Gallon of CO2 to every 3,200 gallons of air (0.040% of 3,200 = about 1).

    Fact: There are two types of CO2 – ‘naturally occuring’ and ‘man-made’. 96.775% of CO2 is naturally occurring, thus leaving man-made CO2 @ 3.225%. For those decision makers who still have not grasped how miniscule this amount is and prefer it explained in simple terms, there are 8 pints in 1 x Imperial Gallon. Of the gallon of CO2, 7.75 pints of it is completely natural and 0.25 pints is man-made (96.775% of 8 pints = 7.75 pints).

    Are you still with me? Good.

    Fact: For every 3,200 gallons of air, 7.75 pints of CO2 is naturally produced by: All plant photosynthesis, Respiration in all animal life, Volcanic eruptions, Geysers, Natural ‘wildfires’, Marine life Respiration (incl. Corals), Micro-organism respiration, Anearobic digestion (plant decay), Cellular respiration, Food digestion waste (flatulence), Natural animal decomposition (Decay), Calcification (Stalactites & Stalagmites) and Natural fermentation (yeast moulds).

    Fact: For every 3,200 gallons of air, JUST 0.25 pints (5 Fl.oz.) is produced by humans. This includes: Burning of any fossil fuel (oil, oil derivatives, coal, natural gas, peat and wood alcohols); Burning of timber or crops (wood burners, domestic fires, wood chips in bio-mass, charcoal, human caused forest fires, garden incinerators); Global alcoholic beverage market (brewing industry, wine & champagne production, beer dispensing propellant, distillation); Carbonated drinks & beverage industry (man-made CO2 injected into soft drinks as a novelty effect – adding no flavour whatsoever); Decaffinated coffee manufacture; Food Manufacture (the world’s entire daily bread production, sodium bicarbonate aeration in snackfoods/biscuits/crackers/cakes/sponges, yeast extract, modified air packaging to prevent oxidising, dry ice used to keep fruit & vegetables fresh); Refridgeration (fridges, freezers, air-conditioning); Industrial Processes (coolant gas in welding & fabrication, lime kiln processes, industrial waste incineration, sand-blasting using highly pressurised pellets of frozen CO2, laser cutting of all PCB’s for electronics/TV’s/computers); Propellants (fire extinguishers, air bags, life vests, aviation ‘exit slides’); Stage, film & theatre (dry ice, CO2 cannons); Water purification; Limescale removal products; Denture cleaning products; . . . . and finally, anything humans throw out for Composting (garden waste, peelings, etc.).

    And my point is . . . . how can such a minuscule amount of man-made gas be responsible for a 1 degree C temperature increase in the last century – and that our decision makers feel that by curbing just the ‘burning of fossil fuels’ part of this minuscule amount of man-made gas (ignoring all the other ways we manufacture the stuff) that they will save the world from doom – however much it costs”.

    • How? Because when you set out to con people, you pick a means of running the con that is easy for even the least informed to “get”, no matter how blatant you make the lies.

      Once the target is ‘hooked’, the con proceeds.

      Less than 150 years ago, the entire human species lived in a world lit ONLY by fire. Fire produces CO2. Homes were heated by fire, food was cooked by fire. No modern conveniences including electricity were available.

      If you bring up a fact like this, and how we’ve benefited from the reduction by finding other sources to cook, light and heat our homes, and communicate, you will get a blank look.

  46. “Experts call it “climate grief,” ” What a shame. All self induced depression. All brought to you by the media and phony science. It demonstrates how much hype these children are receiving from parents, teachers, etc. I feel sorry for this generation of kids who have been made to drink the kool-aid and will, later in life, discover it was all a political ploy. Many will blame their parents for being so gullible. Worse yet they are missing out on being happy during the most important time of their young life.

  47. It’s actually criminal to cause this stress and anxiety in children. Children are extreme gullible by nature. They are pre-programmed to learn from adults which is intended to be for survival purposes. However climate alarmists are deliberately targeting children to take advantage of their gullibility. If I was in this lady’s shoes I would sit my children down and explain to them that not all adults tell the truth, and that many of them are wrong. The problem for this lady is that she is also taken in by it, and so are many more because they don’ t understand science so can’t see through the BS.

  48. …”Dr. Lise van Susteren, a psychiatrist in Washington and co-founder of the Climate Psychiatry Alliance, said it’s becoming harder for patients to ignore the threats of climate change.

    “For a long time we were able to hold ourselves in a distance, listening to data and not being affected emotionally,” she said. “But it’s not just a science abstraction anymore. I’m increasingly seeing people who are in despair, and even panic. “

    This is what happens when the cart is put before the horse. Without proper ‘grounding’ i.e. critical thinking to check the hypothesis against reality (experience?) it is hard to know to which end of the horse the cart should be attached.
    cheers
    Mike

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