The Hendy Wind Farm Scandal

Guest post by Robert Owens

(where ‘saving the planet’ from climate change trumps  democracy and the protection of the environment)

A brief summary of the history of this national scandal, involving the brushing aside of local democracy and the blatant flaunting of planning law:

1. In 2014 Hendy Wind Farm Ltd. applied for planning permission to construct a wind farm of 7 giant (110m) turbines at the beautiful site of Llandegley Rhos in mid-Wales, a site that includes a number of ‘scheduled ancient monuments’.



2. After much prevarication Powys County Council Planning Department ignored the overwhelming weight of evidence of harm to the landscape, heritage, tourism, amenity, etc. and, disregarding the shredding of application documents and missing environmental information, recommended approval. The Planning Committee, however, rejected that recommendation and refused to approve the development.

3. The developer then appealed the Council’s decision, resulting in an independent Planning Inspector hearing the evidence over a two week Inquiry in March 2018. In May 2018, in his carefully argued 115 page report, the Inspector again rejected the development, stating, “…the extent of harm to the landscape and historic assets leads me to conclude that the scheme fails to strike an appropriate balance between promoting renewable energy projects and protecting these interests as sought by national policy. It follows that, when taken together, the combined harm to landscape and heritage matters significantly outweigh the identified benefits.”

4. In October 2018 the Welsh Government Cabinet Minister for Energy, Planning and Rural Affairs, Lesley Griffiths, overrode the Planning Inspector’s recommendation and approved the wind farm proposal, asserting that in her opinion the benefits of the wind farm, in particular its displacement of carbon dioxide emissions (which have been estimated to contribute at most a fifth of a billionth of a degree Centigrade to global warming mitigation in the wind farm’s lifetime – which would be 150,000 times lower than can be measured) overrode all other concerns, whether they be local democracy (the scheme was bitterly opposed by local residents), landscape despoilment or environmental or wildlife damage. Such a terrifying precedent opens the way for wind farm developers to desecrate the landscape almost at will.

5. Construction work began on 20th November and continues at breakneck speed, at nights and at weekends, with no regard for permitted hours of work. The developers have stated that they are determined to erect one turbine before the end of January in order to be eligible for government renewable energy subsidies (Renewable Obligation Certificates) that expire on 31st January 2019. In order to meet this deadline the work is being carried out without any of the pre-commencement planning conditions being discharged. These conditions are all binding and the Minister’s consent is contingent upon the conditions being satisfied in full and discharged. In other words the construction is racing ahead despite [potentially~ctm] being unlawful. When challenged on why they were not enforcing planning law and issuing a Stop Notice on the works Powys County Council (who have a vested financial interest in the development) reply that their failure to enforce planning law was ‘expedient’ (i.e. ‘convenient and practical although possibly improper or immoral.’)

6. In its latest report Powys wind farm protesters lose legal bid to stop work the BBC repeat the statement, “Hendy Wind Farm Ltd said all it had done so far was deliver machinery and carry out pre-commencement surveys.” How are we to reconcile this statement with the picture below, taken on 19th December, of the near completion of the base for the first turbine? Clearly the statement is [likely~ctm] untrue – yet the BBC have accepted it.


7. The local branch of the Campaign for the Protection of Rural Wales is now seeking leave to start a Judicial Review of the Minister’s decision in a bid to have the planning permission quashed – but even if this succeeds the first turbine (at least) will be up and running (and of course not removed).

If the need for more renewable energy truly trumps all other concerns what hope is there for either local democracy or the environment?

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December 24, 2018 2:14 pm

You don’t understand – all that matters is that we have wind and solar. Everything else is secondary. Ancient artifacts, laws, even lives are irrelevant in the face of wind and solar!

Merry Christmas, indeed…

Reply to  ShanghaiDan
December 25, 2018 3:29 am

All that matters is the subsidy. The public trough trumps all reason, logic, critical thinking.

Eliminate any subsidies, rebates and make the public fully aware of the costs and impact on their bills.

Steve Skinner
Reply to  ShanghaiDan
December 25, 2018 7:31 am

Might be time for a “yellow vest” type protest ( see Paris)

Harry Passfield
Reply to  ShanghaiDan
December 27, 2018 1:06 pm

I’m trying to imagine the words ‘nuclear’ substituted for ‘wind’ and ‘renewable’ in this sorry story. The planning committee would still be sitting 30 years hence.

December 24, 2018 2:16 pm

Even if the CPRW win the Judicial Review, the Council will just ignore it. All it means is that the CPRW have won a point of law. A JR is not always very effective. I speak from experience. I wish them luck.

December 24, 2018 2:17 pm

Sounds like a typical regional council to me 🙁



Bryan A
Reply to  Roger
December 25, 2018 12:42 am

Sounds like a good place to have an accidental liquid nitrogen spill. The rebar would become brittle and require complete removal and replacement before the last concrete could be poured thus eliminating the ability to complete the first installation prior to the cutoff date…bye bye renewables rebate

paul courtney
Reply to  Bryan A
December 25, 2018 6:43 am

Bryan A: Surely you’re not suggesting an act of vandalism to obstruct construction? Folks who think left and right are the same, here’s the proof otherwise- opponents (mostly right) are going to court, NOT physically obstructing the site etc. The left would have already stopped it with rent-a-mobs and breaking equipment, materials etc. (though not likely to have the technical know-how for the liquid nitro application). Weeks ago. The press would have declared the green victory and never, ever report that the mobs left the formerly pristine site a toxic dump.

Bryan A
Reply to  paul courtney
December 25, 2018 9:09 am

Perhaps the Right needs to start behaving in a manner understandable by the left

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Bryan A
December 25, 2018 9:55 am

Violence just begets more violence

Reply to  Alan Tomalty
December 25, 2018 4:32 pm

Really? Worked against the Nazis. Worked against Imperial Japan. Worked lots of places, lots of times. When your government abuses you what you gonna do, just take it? From available reports these people have exhausted all judicial options. What do you suggest they do?

Reply to  Bryan A
December 25, 2018 1:57 pm

Alan: Lack of violence begets death and tyranny.

Reply to  Bryan A
December 25, 2018 4:27 pm

Speak their language, as it were.

Reply to  Bryan A
December 26, 2018 12:45 am

@Bryan A:

An eye-for-eye and tooth-for-tooth leads to a world of the blind and toothless.

Reply to  MangoChutney
December 26, 2018 7:30 am

No, it leads to a world that is much more polite and civil, because idiots stop doing idiotic crap to everyone else.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Bryan A
December 26, 2018 4:25 am

The left understands the right; that is not the problem. They just believe their cause is more just and any means are acceptable to achieve it. I, for one, will not go down that road. You may want to rethink your stance in order to avoid becoming a mirror image of your opponents.

Reply to  Bryan A
December 26, 2018 4:58 am

“They cry “Peace, peace!” when there is no peace.” ~ Patrick Henry

Reply to  paul courtney
December 25, 2018 4:19 pm

They already failed in court, now the Magna Carta should kick in.

Al miller
Reply to  paul courtney
December 25, 2018 6:27 pm

Violence does indeed beget more violence. And when the leftists start seeing pushback they shouldn’t be surprised. It will take a while to wake the beast as it did in France, but it will come the loonier “enviros” get.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Al miller
December 29, 2018 8:13 am

G K Chesterton had it right: “War is not ‘the best way of settling differences’; it is the only way of preventing their being settled for you.”

Reply to  Roger
December 25, 2018 3:51 am

In Canada the subsidies and tax credits amount to about 75% of the cost of the turbine. How much are the subsidies in Wales?

December 24, 2018 2:18 pm

I don’t think this is an open and shut case. In Canada we have the case of the Trans Mountain Pipeline. The deck is stacked against it. Any nimby or some indian band a hundred miles from it can stop it by embroiling it in bureaucratic red tape.

Three guys in a local hamlet should not be able to vote down a project that is in the national interest. It sounds like democracy but it really isn’t.

A C Osborn
Reply to  commieBob
December 24, 2018 2:26 pm

What the hell do you mean “in the national interest”, it is no way in the national interest, it is only in the interests of those investing in harvesting Tax Payers cash.
You are living up to your name “Commie”.

Reply to  A C Osborn
December 24, 2018 2:44 pm

I don’t think he’s saying that the wind turbine project was in the national interest. I think he’s saying that if a project actually were to be in the national interest, then a simple majority of a local planning commission shouldn’t be able to block it, like the pipeline in Canada or the Keystone XL pipeline in the US. We need to think beyond local interests to the broader interest. Of course I, and many of us, believe the broader interest would be served by not wasting resources on vain attempts to control the climate by reducing CO2 emissions.

Reply to  A C Osborn
December 24, 2018 2:51 pm

The particular case I mentioned was surely in Canada’s national interest … unless, of course, you think it is in Canada’s national interest that Alberta and Saskatchewan secede. link

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  A C Osborn
December 25, 2018 5:38 am

A C Osborn – December 24, 2018 at 2:26 pm

it is only in the interests of those investing in harvesting Tax Payers cash.
You are living up to your name “Commie”.

What the ell are you railing about, …. Osborn, ….. or were you just “strutting” your delusional mind-set by mimicking the accusations of like-minded “SAVE-THE-PLANET” enviro greenies.

“DUH”, …… neither Canada’s Trans Mountain Pipeline nor the US’s Keystone Pipeline are government FUNDED projects and therefore there is no “harvesting of Tax Payers cash”.

A C Osborn
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 27, 2018 6:37 am

The subject of this Post is a Welsh Wind Farm in the UK, comparing what is going on here to what is happening in the US and Canada is bullshit.
Here it IS all about harvesting tax payers cash.
So mind your own business.

Reply to  A C Osborn
January 1, 2019 7:55 am

no, definatly not just Welsh USA the same . You get pay for backing , just ask john Kasich.

Reply to  commieBob
December 24, 2018 2:40 pm

If the wants of the many are sufficient to over ride the rights of the few, then there is no such thing as human rights.

Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2018 2:56 pm

You might approve of the Chinese approach. link

Reply to  commieBob
December 24, 2018 3:23 pm


You might approve of the Chinese approach. link

One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist.

Whilst the concept of nail houses are dreadful, the fact is the Chinese government have left these places standing.

There’s many a ‘civilised’ western country that wouldn’t.

Nail houses, as distasteful as the circumstances are, present a positive aspect of Chinese government in that they haven’t simply rounded up residents and slung them out.

I can take you to places in Glasgow, and elsewhere in the UK, where precisely that has happened, and will happen when the new Heathrow runway is eventually built. HS2, our proposed new high speed rail link between north and south will not countenance any dissent from British nailhouses. They will simply not exist.

Reply to  HotScot
December 24, 2018 3:52 pm

Yep. China is endlessly surprising.

I was told a story about a professor who had been in China about a decade.

When I first came to China, my intention was to stay a couple of years and write a book.

After I had been here five years, I thought I might be able to produce a decent article or paper.

Now I think I will have trouble producing a single cogent paragraph.

Reply to  commieBob
December 24, 2018 5:07 pm

Spoken like a man who finds it inconceivable that the majority would ever want to take everything he has.

PS: Scratch a leftist, and you will find a totalitarian every time.

Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2018 6:31 pm

That puzzles me.

I pointed out that sometimes the Chinese protect property rights to an extent not found in America. I thought you would approve.

Reply to  commieBob
December 24, 2018 6:39 pm

They protect the “rights” of the Central Committee and its specific designees to take and control whatever “property” they wish. You really want that in your life?

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2018 10:59 pm


How deeply you misunderstand China. Doing something in the national interest doesn’t mean people don’t have rights.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
December 25, 2018 4:39 am

Oh, they have the right to submit to the State, and every day more stories of what is done to those who do not submit are seeping out.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  MarkW
December 25, 2018 6:13 am

To paraphrase 2hotel9’s brilliant comment of December 25, 2018 at 4:39 am, to wit:

Oh, they have the right to submit to the demands of the US Democrat Party, and every day more stories of what is done to those who do not submit (false prosecutions and internments) are being touted by the Democrat leadership themselves as well as their partisan lemmings, …… including future promises of what will happen to those who fail to submit.

And some people actually believe “human rights” actually exists for US citizens.

“HA”, …… illegal immigrants in the US have been afforded more/better “human rights” that actual/legal US citizens are afforded.

Phil R
Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2018 4:01 pm

It’s called “democracy.” Most people seem to be for it, until it interferes with their own interests. And it has absolutely nothing to do with “human rights.”

Reply to  Phil R
December 24, 2018 5:11 pm

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, which is why no same person could be for pure democracy.

You are correct, that if the majority has the right to force their will on the minority, then there is no such thing as human rights.

Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2018 6:10 pm

We have had that happening in America for a while, tiny, statistically tiny, political minorities forcing their warped will on everyone else. Now they want open borders and mass amnesty for illegal aliens. Hmmmm.

Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2018 6:36 pm

You left out the second part.

Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!

Gary Ashe
Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2018 7:15 pm

Lawfare and a leftist scotus, was how leftist minorities feck us all over.

Reply to  commieBob
December 24, 2018 3:10 pm


I don’t think this is three guys in a ‘local’ hamlet.

Wales hardly represents the scale of American geography, indeed, I’m sure the country is barely 100 miles by 50 miles. There will be an awful lot more people living in that geographical area than just three men, in fact the capital City of Wales is within ninety minutes or so drive of the site. If that.

And in the face of a local planning officers considered opinion that the site should not go ahead, and whilst it seems documents have been shredded and destroyed, there is considerable doubt as to this schemes credibility.

Those of us on WUWT recognise the rent seeking nature of wind turbine developers. My country, Scotland, is now peppered with these abominations and electricity bills are beginning to spiral. Not yet like Germany or Australis, but very soon the effects will be felt.

And whilst “Three guys in a local hamlet” can’t stop a windfarm, a rag tag bunch of disaffected hippies can stop fracking in Lancashire where Quadrilla have spent years attempting to drill just exploratory sites, never mind embark on an entire project.

Sorry mate. Your usual excellent judgement has abandoned you on this occasion.

The beautiful Welsh countryside will be despoiled by these monstrous, inefficient monuments to global warming folly, as they have done, wholesale in my country. I would rather not see Wales subjected to the same fate.

Wales and Scotland have a common ancestry, we are brothers in arms but for one place, the Rugby pitch. It seems, however, we face the same fate of plundering for the sake of England where wind farms are few and far between by land mass comparison.

You may not know of the pole tax where Scotland was blatantly used as an experiment, before riots in the streets of London tore down the government of the time.

These windfarm experiments are no different but have been sold under the emotive cloud of saving the planet. I despise the London centric socialists who would see these deeds perpetrated amongst the nations of our countries without first taking the lead themselves. Cowardice and treachery.

Nor is that to suggest I despise the English as a whole. I live in the SE of the country and people here are as appalled at the injustice as anyone else. It’s the London ruling elite I despise.

This roughshod treatment of our union states must be stopped. And whilst Scotland is perceived as self governing, make no mistake, there is considerable encouragement from Westminster to have them wreck their economy with these abominations, as just another experiment.

A C Osborn
Reply to  HotScot
December 24, 2018 3:26 pm

More like 150 x 100 Miles and the lady in question is an AM ie an MP in the Welsh assembly in Cardiff and not London.

Reply to  A C Osborn
December 24, 2018 3:44 pm

A C Osborn

Sorry about the geographical gaffe. I was illustrating a point.

The Welsh assembly is as beholding to Westminster as Scotland is, in fact more so as they don’t have a government as devolved as Scotland does.

My point is that both countries are simply puppets to the political will of Westminster.

And be very wary of devolved government. Whilst the purse strings are still held by Westminster, the blame is directed at Hollyrood from both the people of Scotland and Westminster.

Bryan Anderson
Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 12:46 am

Need to get Green Piece out there to Save Wales

A C Osborn
Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 1:45 am

HotScot, no problem, the point is the Welsh AM do what they want and like Westminster is all London, the AM is all Cardiff.
What she did trampling over local opposition & Planning Departments was a disgrace.

Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 2:32 am

Wales has an area of about 8000 sq. miles, somewhere between the two estimates. You both pass with a ‘C’

Eugene S Conlin
Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 4:07 am

HotScot, I agree, I remember when Cefn Croes was despoiled and upland bog drained.

Nobody wanted a wind farm there, the area was already inundated with the the abominations – even the Green Party was against the proposal.

The Welsh Assembly Government (WAG) had no real say, but being mainly Labour wouldgo along with anything the Westminster New Labour party decided).

Permission was given for the wind farm by the energy minister in Westminster (New Labour MP Brian Wilson) who had not visited area, never mind the site. He later became Chair of the UK Operations Board of Airtricity (an Irish wind turbine company).

Reply to  HotScot
December 24, 2018 3:42 pm

The usual advice is: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

When politicians are involved, it is also foolish to discount actual outright corruption.

Many times I have thought I knew what was going on only to later be disabused. Thus, I have learned to be aggressively skeptical.

Reply to  commieBob
December 24, 2018 3:46 pm


You need only look to Scotland for evidence of what is described here to dispel your scepticism.

Reply to  HotScot
December 24, 2018 3:57 pm

I’m not skeptical of what you’re telling me. I’m skeptical of activists and politicians. I suspect that only terminal senility will dispel that. There’s too much supporting evidence.

Bryan A
Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 12:46 am

Need to get Green Piece out there to Save Wales

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 6:30 am

Need to get Green Piece out there to Save Wales

There is not enough available “money” for Greenpeace to even think about getting involved.

Greenpeace is like the Red Cross and Al Sharpton, …… they only get involved if it is a “profitable” venture.

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 25, 2018 4:17 pm

I do enjoy seeing them rammed by whaling ships, I’d pay a dollar to watch that! Where do I send my donation to get it started?

Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 1:30 am

I’m surprised at you, HotScot! The reason Scotland got the poll (sp) tax first was because we screamed loudest and first about the rates revaluation which shifted much of the burden from commercial to domestic.
We demanded an end to the rating system and that’s what we got. The fact the poll tax was a disaster was because the local authorities and tle activists made sure it was disaster. It has ever since been a Scottish urban myth that we were used as guinea pigs. Don’t kid yourself that Westminster ever gave us that much thought!
And the most dedicated supporter of windfarms and opponent of shale gas is Ms Sturgeon herself and her allies in Cymru are just as bad and equally capable of making this sort of totalitarian blunder without the need to drag the English into it.

Reply to  Newminster
December 25, 2018 2:28 am

Community Charge (aka, but erroneously, Poll Tax) would have been one of Margaret Thatcher’s greatest achievements if instituted as quickly as possible after the ’79 election. Delay allowed opposition to grow.

The great idea behind Community Charge – NOT QUITE A TAX – was twofold. Firstly, it linked the charge more closely to the services the charge was intended to provide, so that the people being charged could see what they were getting for the money. Secondly, all the people being charged could vote for the people – councillors – who would be making the charge, and spending the funds. This is an important principle. The former system, and the system which now has replaced the Community Charge, allows for the whole electorate, with their many and varied demands on the services, to vote for the councillors who will distribute the funds, but for which only a minority will pay – a bad system indeed. Our transatlantic friends will remember the cry ‘no taxation without representation’. The corollary – ‘no representation without taxation’ has democratic merit also.

December 24, 2018 2:24 pm

burn the equipment,destroy the site,carbon has become the magic word that sweeps all before it–if the locals allow it.

Reply to  homerD
December 24, 2018 11:02 pm

ctm mod

John Sandhofner
December 24, 2018 2:26 pm

“Hendy Wind Farm Ltd said all it had done so far was deliver machinery and carry out pre-commencement surveys. How are we to reconcile this statement with the picture below ….. of the near completion of the base for the first turbine?” Are there any lefties out there who value honesty and integrity over achieving stated goals regardless of how unethical the methods? Once leadership is willing to do things illegally, there is no end to what they will do to get their way. At some point it might mean their followers become disposable because the gain is so great (i.e. lots of money).

Reply to  John Sandhofner
December 24, 2018 2:42 pm

Are there any lefties out there who value honesty and integrity over achieving stated goals regardless of how unethical the methods?

That was rhetorical, right?

Reply to  John Sandhofner
December 24, 2018 8:36 pm

The first things “Liberals” liberate themselves from are ethical standards. Unbiased media once limited how far they would go, but those days are gone. Why should we be surprised at any obscenity perpetrated by Leftists who believe the end justifies the means?

John Bell
December 24, 2018 2:28 pm

The very fact that such turbines can be built without non-fossil fuel energy is proof that the turbines are not needed.

December 24, 2018 2:29 pm

Similar things have been happening in Germany.

It is a definite case of “we must destroy the environment to save it.”

Flight Level
December 24, 2018 2:30 pm

I still wonder if modern payola exploits the convenient low traceability of bitcoins.

December 24, 2018 2:39 pm

Climate change (madness) is the biggest threat to (western ) civilization. The pendulum swings back to China and India.

December 24, 2018 2:51 pm

[not here~mod]

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Michael
December 24, 2018 3:21 pm

[not here~mod]

Flight Level
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
December 24, 2018 4:09 pm

[not here~mod]

Reply to  Flight Level
December 25, 2018 8:47 am

[not here, not there, not anywhere]
[I will not eat them, Sam I am]
[I will not eat green eggs and ham]


Reply to  Schitzree
December 26, 2018 9:48 pm


December 24, 2018 2:54 pm

Been nothing but a Labour Politician (3rd division) all her life. Member of Unison and the Fabian Society.

I her opinion, her scientific opinion, the importance of curbing CO2 emissions trumps everything. Apart from being deranged, has she taken a kick back?

Cui bono?

Nigel Sherratt
Reply to  RCS
December 25, 2018 1:44 am

Fabians were (and likely still are) eugenicists of course.

December 24, 2018 2:55 pm

Obama called it, “Deem and do”.

December 24, 2018 3:02 pm

Methinks some “direct action” is needed to stop these green scamsters.

nicholas tesdorf
December 24, 2018 3:15 pm


Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 24, 2018 3:32 pm

Perhaps a bit drastic.
I think a few hundred yellow-vests blocking the access roads for a few weeks might be sufficient.
With lots of media coverage.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  lbeyeler
December 25, 2018 6:52 am

I think a few hundred yellow-vests blocking the access roads for a few weeks might be sufficient.

Makes as much sense as …… Trump shutting the government down ….. the Saturday before Christmas, ……. when the majority of all elected Politician and/or Federal employees will be away from their job, …… celebrating Christmas and the New Year from December 20th to January 7th or later.

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 25, 2018 8:56 am

Yep, all of the publicity and attention, very little actual waste of government resources.

And it’s guaranteed to be discussed by all those people gathering together for the holidays. Gotta have SOMETHING to talk about with friends and relatives.


Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 25, 2018 9:18 am

And it’s only “non-essential” services that are shut down.
Begs the question, why are we paying for non-essential government services?

Reply to  curly
December 25, 2018 4:25 pm

Make a list of all those “non-essential” personnel and pink slip ’em. They can ride out winter on unemployment, plenty of time to find something productive and useful to do with their lives.

Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
December 25, 2018 4:22 pm

Brilliant strategery! Mr Limbow had several callers Friday and yesterday who work in DC and they pointed out people were gone as early as Monday the 17th. I love it when a plan comes together!

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
December 24, 2018 3:32 pm

nicholas tesdorf

I think comments like that are unbecoming of this site and it’s contributors.

Direct action is the preserve of socialism. And whilst sometimes I would love it to happen I don’t condone the bullying of democracy by even a large minority.

Brexit is a case in point.

Reply to  HotScot
December 25, 2018 4:43 am

The difference between what I am advocating and socialism is that for the leftists the first resort is direct action, rather than waiting until you have shown that due process has failed.

December 24, 2018 3:23 pm

Where is the foundation, construction permit and pipeline for the natural gas plant that will be needed to back up these turbines?

A C Osborn
Reply to  DHR
December 24, 2018 3:29 pm

Built long ago as part of the National Grid.

Gary Kerkin
December 24, 2018 3:43 pm

Not so very long ago greenies and other environmentalists protested against the construction of wind turbines on the grounds they were a detriment to the environment killing birds, disturbing animals, and driving people to distraction because of very low frequency emissions.

Then came global warming…, oops, climate change!

December 24, 2018 3:48 pm


Christmas is a time when Alarmists gather together, roast chestnuts, and share memories.

– They tell their children how there used to be a cold white substance, called snow.

– They reassure their children that Santa really does exist, and that he delivers presents to all of the good children (the ones who believe in global warming).

– And they give thanks for the 97% consensus (that global warming is real, that it is caused by humans, and that there was no recent slowdown).

In keeping with the true Christmas spirit, Alarmists have just published 2 new papers, which (they say) demonstrate convincingly that the recent slowdown wasn’t a real phenomenon.

It is a pity that they didn’t read my article first. They could have saved themselves a lot of time, and millions of dollars (of your money)!!!

The article is called “Alarmist thinking on the recent slowdown is one dimensional”

Warning – this article contains undeniable proof, that the recent slowdown WAS a real phenomenon.

So if you want to continue believing that the recent slowdown doesn’t exist, then don’t read this article.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Sheldon Walker
December 24, 2018 4:37 pm

Sheldon, somebody has to rebuke you even if moderators won’t. You have now posted this same exact ‘redirect’ comment on at least four different recent guest posts, including mine on ocean sea water chemistry.
I took a peak at your work. ” ‘Length and strength’ eyeball graphics rather than statistics.” There are far more persuasive ways to show the pause is/was real, for example those from Ross Mckittrick using (horror) well known advanced statistics incorporating the well known effects of autocorrelation.
Please stop.

[Noted. Thank you. .mod]

Reply to  Sheldon Walker
December 24, 2018 4:51 pm

Plenty of cold white substance here on the right-hand side of the pond. At 55.95 deg N, supposedly in the balmy embrace of the Gulf Stream, there’s a stout air frost oustide, with a pretty crust on anything that isn’t moving. A beautiful waning gibbous moon (very clear with binoculars) , and the stars are twinkling, as are all the festive lights in our street.
The super-efficient central heating gas boiler keeps my 120 year old house warm.
I am eternally grateful to all the geologists (I was one once), other scientists and engineers who make the entire supply chain from well to domestic boiler possible. I’m old enough to remember the past: power cuts, open fires, paraffin heaters, hotwater bottles etc..
Confronting the alarmism is tiring, and often comes at a social cost if one dares mention ones scepticism to people who don’t have the decency to respond with a question rather than a look of horror. It’s often hard to find out what they really think, beyond parroting the mainstream slogans.
Merry Christmas to all from this ‘climate denier’.

December 24, 2018 3:52 pm

I wonder what birdshot from a shotgun would do to a wind turbine, or a few well aimed .303 bullets, plenty of the old Enfield rifle still around, and a lot easier than blowing them up.

As to the ” Not nice””, comments. Sadly we do not live in a nice world.


Reply to  Michael
December 24, 2018 11:01 pm

ctm it is Christmas day and your work involves all this read through comments and decide if they are illegal or against site rules. Thanks for the work.

Please ppl don’t push against those rules. I’m sure ctm might have other things to do than look after you.

December 24, 2018 4:15 pm

I was wondering when this would start. I once helped build a wind powered generator near there back in the late 70s. Can’t remember the name of the place but it was at a farm somewhere near the Mynydd Eppynt that had a ridge line that had almost constant airflow over it. 3m high vertical shaft in a bracing frame, carefully balanced scoop-type rotors, high quality sealed bearings, enclosed gearing to generator, to tractor batteries. Low enough to blast the ice off from a tractor in winter. Miles from the nearest grid line. Not much point trying solar panels. There was a generator in the shed. Not sure how long it lasted, but we reckoned 3 years would be an achievement. This Hendy thing is 110m high? Lol. Good luck with that. Apart from the snow and ice, the next force 10 off the North Atlantic will probably be enough.

December 24, 2018 4:22 pm

“The developers have stated that they are determined to erect one turbine before the end of January in order to be eligible for government renewable energy subsidies” And there you go, the fix is in, money is quietly changing hands behind closed doors. This “minister”? Watch her activities, check her finances, these two actions will answer many questions.

December 24, 2018 4:22 pm

“”Welsh Government Cabinet Minister for Energy, Planning and Rural Affairs, Lesley Griffiths, overrode the Planning Inspector’s recommendation and approved the wind farm proposal, asserting that in her opinion the benefits of the wind farm, in particular its displacement of carbon dioxide emissions….”

Okay, answer this question: How much of a kickback is Griffiths getting out of this project?

Don’t tell me there isn’t a kickback. I see too much of this kind of thing rammed through willy-nilly, whether local people want/like it or not.

How much of a kickback is she getting????

Reply to  Sara
December 25, 2018 3:20 am

Well said.
If it is a “green” project it is certainly corrupt.
Particularly if it involves a Liebore politician.

Reply to  Sara
December 25, 2018 1:56 pm

Per her ‘personal’ site – – she claims [last update was February 2017] to be a ‘Co owner of Wrexham AFC. ‘ It is unclear if she is a nominated representative of Wrexham Supporters’ Trust (as a Welsh AM).
So there could not possibly be an elided sweetener to Wrexham FC . . .
[“Based on the club’s recorded formation date of 1864, they are the oldest club in Wales and the third oldest professional football team in the world.” – from famous and utterly reliable [except when it is not] Wikipedia. Off thread, but perhaps of interest.]


December 24, 2018 4:30 pm

If the need for more renewable energy truly trumps all other concerns what hope is there for either local democracy or the environment?


Lots of Guns

Fat Bastard
December 24, 2018 4:49 pm

Well it seems that Hendy Wind Farm is a wholly owned subsidiary of listed property developer U and I Group Plc…a UK based property developer which seems to have a small interest in wind farms… quite why an urban development company should be investing in energy generating (sic) assets is a mystery… but maybe it because they want to feel the green (both the political and the financial).

The Welsh Govt has failed abysmally here. And yes it would be worth following the U and I money in Wales to see what is what… not suggesting anything, but if you don’t look you don’t know

December 24, 2018 5:09 pm

Flaunt: to display ostentatiously
Flout: to treat with scorn, to disregard
So these cronies are flaunting their disregard for the laws and citizens by flouting them.

Reply to  Lark
December 25, 2018 1:08 am

Thank you, Lark. I was just heading down the screen to make the same point!

While we’re at it, ‘haggle’ and ‘barter’ aren’t interchangeable either! Just in case!

December 24, 2018 6:00 pm

I’m some what lost in all those councils and Ministers. I assume they are in the executive branch of the Wales government. Can’t the people sue to halt their actions? Surely the courts would have the power to review the actions of the executive branch.

Reply to  Bulova
December 24, 2018 6:12 pm

Apparently this “minister” has over-ruled and over-turned all that. Must be a large pile-O-money going into someone’s pocket.

Reply to  Bulova
December 24, 2018 6:56 pm

They keep trying:
“Friday 21 December 2018
CPRW Brecon & Radnor branch were successful in gaining an Injunction against further concreting works on Monday December 17th from the Cardiff High Court. We were bitterly disappointed to see this discharged yesterday 20th December in the Birmingham Civil Justice Centre. However the ‘pour’ has now been postponed until January 3rd as the Breedon Quarry is closed.
We are actively considering issuing a Judicial Review if Powys County Council agree that the pour can proceed”

This all costs money and they have an appeal ongoing:

There is a Roman fort nearby at Castell Collen with a Roman road passing over Llandegley Rhos. There is also a Iron Age fort on Llandegley Rocks (there are quite a few of them around there), and some Bronze age barrows.

Here’s a photo of one of the Bronze age standing stones nearby.

Reply to  Phil.
December 24, 2018 8:37 pm

Well done Brecon and Radnor. Tacitus commented on the Silures putting up stiff opposition to the Romans, and they are still doing their best to repel the invaders. Recalling the time when BNF (British Nuclear Fuels) turned up looking for place to bury nuclear waste, I think the same solution should be tried. The rugby-playing English speaking south east joined forces with the Welsh speaking north west, and took action in the courts. The hippies did what the did best, wandered around waving banners, shouting and chanting. Maybe these and their descendants approve of this junk these days. So it could be left to the farmers again. If they found one of those white Land Rovers belonging to the BNF surveyors they blew the radiator out with a shotgun. Within a few days there were no surveyors anywhere in Europe who were game to come to Wales.
This is not threatening violence against persons. It is a cultural tradition. One of my neighbours tried to shoot down a Harrier jump jet during the Falklands War. Both barrels of a 12 gauge. They were flying over the village at chimney-pot level. They investigated but did not find out who had done it. No one dobbed him in.
On the matter of Brexit, I and most of Wales voted to join the European Community in the 70s. MUCH better than being subject to Westminster. Next time round, nearly all of Wales voted for Brexit. The Commissars in Brussels have managed to alienate everybody.

Reply to  Phil.
December 26, 2018 10:13 am

Well done Brecon and Radnor. Tacitus commented on the Silures putting up stiff opposition to the Romans, and they are still doing their best to repel the invaders.

The site of Caractacus’s last stand against Claudius’s legions was just a few miles down the road (Caer Caradoc in welsh).

“The army then marched against the Silures, a naturally fierce people and now full of confidence in the might of Caractacus, who by many an indecisive and many a successful battle had raised himself far above all the other generals of the Britons. Inferior in military strength, but deriving an advantage from the deceptiveness of the country, he at once shifted the war by a stratagem into the territory of the Ordovices, where, joined by all who dreaded peace with us, he resolved on a final struggle. He selected a position for the engagement in which advance and retreat alike would be difficult for our men and comparatively easy for his own, and then on some lofty hills, wherever their sides could be approached by a gentle slope, he piled up stones to serve as a rampart.”


Rod Evans
Reply to  Bulova
December 25, 2018 2:18 am

There are now so many layers of bureaucrats now, the lowly peasant wanting to get his/her voice heard is held down and silenced by procedures so labyrinthine, there is not a hope of finalising anything.
Even after these questions of local democratic legitimacy have passed through each and every layer of the establishment, i.e. parish council, district council, county council, regional authority, national authority, the Ministry of rural affairs after all that, the option exists to go through the legal layers, ending not at the UK supreme court/House of Lords, but of all places The European Court of Justice. Now the bad news for the objectors on this development is, the ECJ likes to say yes, to anything that destroys tradition and advances expensive inconsistent energy provision.
Welsh badgers aka miners, often undermine structures that should not be there…..

Gary Ashe
December 24, 2018 7:04 pm

Cant believe it, BBC just announced santas dead.

The turbine only suffered minor damage and will be shredding gulls as normal within 2 days

Mangled by an in-shore 110ft wind turbine, BBC say its a blessing and will save 1.5 gigaa ton of plastic pollution and 1 giga ton of methane from half eaten mince pies.

Apparently santa was reading Trump tweets on his me-phone, and got distracted, BBC say the Russians hacked his phone and put Trump on it.

Trump said in a twit that the BBC are CNN Lite.

Reply to  Gary Ashe
December 24, 2018 7:16 pm

OK, that is a good one. On that note and a good laugh I am off to bed, got to get the turkey in early. Merry Christmas all!!

Micky H Corbett
Reply to  Gary Ashe
December 27, 2018 2:23 am

I often use Santa in relation to people who believe action should be taken based on Climate Science.

If inner-city London houses were mandated to fix special non-slip tiles to their roofs, say costing £30,000 a pop, there would be uproar. Especially if the reason was that it would prevent Santa Claus and his reindeer from slipping off and causing an accident.

The arguments for action could start with “Well, prove to me Santa doesn’t exist!”

The minute you forget the limits of your assumptions in science the moment you start to get into dangerous territory.

December 24, 2018 7:20 pm

Where is that December 19th picture from? I don’t see it in the linked BBC article.

paul eade
December 24, 2018 8:22 pm

need to go to the Supreme court

Robert of Texas
December 24, 2018 8:42 pm

Follow the money…that will lead to an better understanding of why people are behaving the way they are. If government officials are approving work while ignoring procedure and law, you can bet there is money involved somehow, somewhere. And people needing to be caught and sent to prison.

I for one wished I had acted against wind turbines much earlier. When I first saw them in a corn field I thought they looked futuristic. As they started multiplying onto our Texas hills in the west, I became alarmed. Now they blight large areas like warts – in fact I call them Wind-Warts. Once they are up, there is no getting them removed.

I have always been a protector of the environment – not a crazed idiot type like those attempting to protect us from CO2, but one involved in buying up land for nature preserves and caves to protect the bats. I should not have bothered – man seems intent on building bat-slicers all across the environment. They are bird-slicers as well. You talk about damage to the environment…

I have seen some of the beautiful landscapes of Great Britain, I fear they will all be covered in wind-warts as well. Its a real real tragedy – and completely unnecessary.

Eric Elsam
Reply to  Robert of Texas
December 25, 2018 2:41 pm

At last someone goes to the root cause of this fraud: the money interest behind Hendy Wind Farm Ltd.. But, connections with the minister, council members, etc will be well-hidden.

John F. Hultquist
December 24, 2018 9:59 pm

Of interest maybe:

Also will put on Tips

Phillip Bratby
December 24, 2018 10:26 pm

I’m afraid that this is a typical example of a corrupt planning system, which is widespread throughout the UK.

Reply to  Phillip Bratby
December 25, 2018 4:50 am

Have read some real horror stories over the years of how “planning commissions” abuse people in Britain. Abuses here in the States pales in comparison.

E J Zuiderwijk
December 25, 2018 1:03 am

A similar idiocy is playing out in the Dutch privince of Drenthe. Rumour has it that some locals are stocking up on explosives.

E J Zuiderwijk
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
December 25, 2018 1:06 am

In Dutch but the pic says it all. The actiongroup against is called ‘headwinds’.

December 25, 2018 1:41 am

And here in the interests of balance is evidence of planning fraud, planning violation and damage to nature at a fracking site…

(news reports suggest that enforcement action against violations may be underway at Hendy)

Rod Evans
December 25, 2018 1:52 am

Ignoring the will of the British people by the authorities exercising control over our affairs, is evidenced in many ways here in the UK.
I won’t mention the 17.4 million people who won the referendum vote to Leave the EU. The authorities in both here in the UK and the EU, don’t want to mention it either… apparently.
As I am someone, with certain cultural links to the Welsh community in the UK, I feel constantly let down by the deaf ears of the establishment, aided and abetted by the biased climate change reporting, being broadcasting constantly as balanced output by the BBC.

Reply to  Rod Evans
December 25, 2018 4:48 am

The French have shown the way, government ignores the will of the people burn it out.

December 25, 2018 5:03 am

This is the result of “world order”. Create layers of local and regional councils where grievances may be heard until ultimately, someone appointed from somewhere far far away, of the highest authority, speaks and the locals are silenced.

We Yanks were worried about the tyrrany of the majority in our beginnings. Look at us now…we are all living under the tyrrany of the minority

December 25, 2018 6:00 am

It seems like most of the comments here are not directed at the key issue identified in the post: the government official’s claim that this wind project was necessary due to its “displacement of carbon dioxide emissions.”

For several years I have searched high-and-low and have been unable to find a single Scientific assessment that has concluded that wind energy saves any consequential CO2. (If anyone has such an anomaly, please forward it post haste.)

In fact there have been studies that have concluded: 1) that Wind energy emits more CO2 than Gas does, and 2) that wind energy increases atmospheric temperatures.

Ivor Ward
December 25, 2018 7:59 am

Guest post by Robert Owens

This is doubleplus ungood speak. Robert is guilty of thoughtcrime. He will have to be unpersoned.

Jeff Alberts
December 25, 2018 8:48 am

This article would greatly benefit from a few well-placed commas.

December 25, 2018 1:14 pm

I guess as nobody wants to sort it out properly, best way is another good old celtic tradition.

When Bretons were recently faced with the dreaded French ECO-TAX a few years back, they popped along with a number of their trucker friends in 38T trucks, put ropes around the gantries and drove off.
Nobody was unhappy.
It was well understood a transport tax on trucks would simply be replicated in higher supermarket prices.
Not difficult logic to follow.

After a couple of weeks of these good old Celtic direct actions, the French government (under idiot “let’s run to have-a-screw-with-Julie-gayat-in-the-middle-of-the-night-on-a-scooter_HOLLANDE” abandoned the Eco taxe altogether at a cost of billions.
You can see the funny white pillars and gantries all over France like bits of the maginot line.

I don’t see the windfarms resisting a few artics for so very long once a few more Celts get their act together. The logic again is quite simple.
Putting up more of these towers simply makes the price of electricity rise.

For a good rugby playing nation I think it would be a point of national honour!

James Fosser
December 25, 2018 1:47 pm

How much Semtex does it take to topple one of those?

Reply to  James Fosser
December 25, 2018 4:36 pm

Acetylene and oxygen, cut a few mount bolt heads and let wind do the rest. Sometimes the wind can be your friend!

December 25, 2018 2:00 pm

The “Save the Planet” brigade is going to destroy the whole place. Stopping them will require unpleasant actions and I can’t say I see any hope of that. That six great extinction—the enviros will cause it.

December 26, 2018 1:59 am

This being why I own a sledge hammer, large and small star drills, an axe, a wide repertoire of demolition skills and tricks and the technical knowledge to use them efficactely.

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