Bill McKibben loses his mind – says planet is going to boil

I’ve always thought 350.org founder Bill McKibben was a bit off, but with this op-ed in the Guardian, he’s really made the case for it.


The Trump administration knows the planet is going to boil. It doesn’t care

Bill McKibben

n the cloud of toxic dust thrown up by the Kavanaugh hearings last week, two new Trump initiatives slipped by with less notice than they deserve. Both are ugly, stupid – and they are linked, though in ways not immediately apparent.

In the first, the administration provided the rationale for scrapping President Obama’s automobile mileage standards: because Trump’s crew now officially expects the planet to warm by 4C . In the environmental impact statementthey say it wouldn’t make much difference to the destruction of the planet if we all keep driving SUVs.

The news in that statement is that administration officials serenely contemplate that 4C rise (twice the last-ditch target set at the Paris climate talks). Were the world to actually warm that much, it would be a literal hell, unable to maintain civilizations as we have known them. But that’s now our policy, and it apparently rules out any of the actions that might, in fact, limit that warming. You might as well argue that because you’re going to die eventually, there’s no reason not to smoke a carton of cigarettes a day.

This will, of course, get steadily worse in the years ahead – every climate forecast shows deserts spreading and water evaporating across the region. And of course more migration will follow, in every corner of the world. The World Bank predicts we may see 140 million climate migrants before long, and given the chaos that even a million people fleeing the (partially drought-fueled) crisis in Syria created, we better come to grips. Some of that migration will be internal – perhaps six million people will abandon their coastal property in Florida alone, according to recent reports. And much of it will be international, as people flee because their lives depend on it.

Telling people to stay home is not an option – when there’s no water, or when the floods come each year, or when the sea rises into your kitchen, people have to leave. Period.

And telling people to stay home is not a moral option, either. Because the climate chaos setting off waves of refugees is born above all from the unconstrained migration of carbon dioxide molecules from America over the last century. No wall can prevent the exhaust from our armada of oversized cars from raising the temperature in Mexico; if Guatemala could ship its changed climate back north it doubtless would, but it can’t. We have to realize that global warming stems from the fact that we are a world without atmospheric borders, where the people who have done the least to cause the problem feel its horrors first and hardest. That’s why, over the last half-decade, the environmental and migrant-rights movement have grown ever closer.

The Trump years are a fantasy land where we pretend we can go on living precisely as in the past, unwilling even to substitute electric SUVs for our gas guzzlers, and able to somehow insist that the rest of the world stay locked in place as well. It’s impractical, it’s unfair, and when it ends up with camps for kids in the desert it’s downright evil.

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October 2, 2018 9:17 am

Wow.. what a rant that has no factual basis. These guys would make great fiction writers.

Trebla
Reply to  SteveB
October 2, 2018 9:48 am

If the planet boils, it will reach 100 degrees Celsius and will go no higher. Therefore, it can’t get any worse. At that point, we will (mercifully) be spared of the “it’s worse than we thought” rant. Be grateful!

drednicolson
Reply to  Trebla
October 2, 2018 10:07 am

Pro Tip for McKibben: Evaporation is endothermic.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Trebla
October 3, 2018 7:24 pm

SEPP has an award called the Jackson. Named after Ken Hapala asked for names I was first to recommend Obummer’s first EPA chief for the award before it carried her name.
Anthony we need a STRAIGHT JACKET AWARD and I nominate Bill McKibben as the first recipient.
Perhaps we could call it the CRAZY BILL MAC AWARD.

Bryan A
Reply to  SteveB
October 2, 2018 9:56 am

unwilling even to substitute electric SUVs for our gas guzzlers

What Electric SUV’s???
Do you mean those $120,000 Teslas???

Thomas Englert
Reply to  Bryan A
October 2, 2018 6:42 pm

That would be an electric coal-burner SUV in my neighborhood.

Pixie
Reply to  Bryan A
October 5, 2018 2:37 am

Don’t knock Elon… he is a true climate warrior providing electric super cars for the super rich… Now if he could build one for $15,000 with the same performance….

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  SteveB
October 2, 2018 2:07 pm

No, sorry, very BAD ficton writers. God fiction must be convincing, this is the opposite.

Reply to  Henning Nielsen
October 2, 2018 4:08 pm

Your typo makes your comment even better.

To describe what McKibben’s atrocious writing should aspire to as “God fiction” is priceless!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
October 2, 2018 7:23 pm

“god fiction” is redundant.

Michael 2
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 2, 2018 8:48 pm

Seems every story must mention Hitler (done!) or God. Even when its about electric SUV’s.

Michael 2
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 2, 2018 8:49 pm

God exists and cannot fail to exist (depending of course on various definitions).

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
October 3, 2018 6:26 am

Too lazy to look up who said it, but “truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense”.

william Johnston
Reply to  SteveB
October 2, 2018 6:20 pm

I thought he already was.

Greg
Reply to  william Johnston
October 3, 2018 5:03 am

Indeed, the suggestion that weeping Mac may has lost his mind ( like it’s current news ) is preposterous and blatantly false.

It happened long ago.

That he continues to spout this hysterical nonsense simply means that he not in a suitable state of mind to be released into the community in the near future.

Reply to  SteveB
October 3, 2018 1:50 am

No way. Bill lacks imagination, irony and any kind of critical sense. It would be a very boring book.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  SteveB
October 3, 2018 2:39 am

abc aus rn this am had flimflm flannery on stating as fact that oceans jhad risen and caused strife along with a huge pile of other bulldust
fawning announcer accepts it as godgiven truths
he on air cos the korean jaunt is underway
and they have to stir the pot..again
around 730ish am so if anyone needs an emetic you can podcast the pukemaking repeat

October 2, 2018 9:19 am

” … – every climate forecast shows deserts spreading and water evaporating across the region.”

Whereas, reality shows the world greening.

This guy’s fractured logic is scary. He’s not much removed from the stereotype guy on the corner with the end of the world sign.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  DonM
October 2, 2018 9:25 am

“” … – every climate forecast shows deserts spreading and water evaporating across the region.”

Whereas, reality shows the world greening.”

Yes, and to most people, even scientists (with their inside voices) would say: “Perhaps…the models are wrong?”

As they say, a liberal is someone who sees something work in practice, but doesn’t believe because it shouldn’t work in theory.

Tom Gelsthorpe
Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 2, 2018 9:29 am

Touché!

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 2, 2018 9:33 am

Yes, the same sort of ‘science’ that says bumble bees shouldn’t be able to fly. If the could figure out how to implement it, I’m sure they would be fining the miscreant bees for defying their ‘settled science’.

john
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 2, 2018 11:45 am

Stop Catastrophic Global Buzzing!

John Endicott
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 4, 2018 5:53 am

Ah, finally we know why bees were disappearing* it’s because the “settled science” crowd told them they shouldn’t be able to fly and the bees realized they were right!

*actually the disappearing bees story was just one more catastrophic fiction.

drednicolson
Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 2, 2018 9:50 am

Or conversely, someone who thinks something should work in theory, and ignores every case of it not working in practice. See: anyone with a pseudo-intellectual love affair with socialism.

Chris G
Reply to  drednicolson
October 3, 2018 9:06 am

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. 🙂

Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 2, 2018 9:56 am

They may be right, but my perception is that a liberal(progressive) is someone with a solution, continuously walking around looking for the problem that fits their self-important unique solution.

When enough liberals get together, with like solutions, you can be sure they will find (or create) their prerequisite problem.

At this point in time, in the USA, there are too many different “solutions” floating around in the liberal community to coalesce into (what their emotionally limited abilities see as) a common problem.

So, they will lost the last election. Hopefully they won’t find a common solution before the next election.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  DonM
October 2, 2018 4:38 pm

The problem with Left types and their ‘solutions’ is the co-operation they require is at odds with their prime driving belief that ‘Everything would be better if only *I* was in charge’.

What then happens is one of two things.

– Their house of support cards they built up collapses and they scuttle back into being fringe minority groups with memberships of 6,

or

– physical violence.

The first is normally an irritation. The second can spill over to ruin everyone.

john
Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 2, 2018 11:43 am

Comparing Marx’s view of economics to Adam Smith’s, I would say that pretty much sums it up!

Pop Piasa
Reply to  DonM
October 2, 2018 12:18 pm

May his Christmas tree have Pine Bark Beetles.
Wait until Tucker Carlson gets ahold of this.

wws
Reply to  DonM
October 2, 2018 3:52 pm

The difference is that the guy on the street corner is probably broke, but McKibben is making 1 million + each year off his catastrophic messiah act.

Reply to  DonM
October 2, 2018 6:28 pm

You wouldn’t think people would drink a lethal dose of acid laced kool-aid, that even their children would be screaming and hiding in fear from, but they do and force it down their children’s throats.

” He’s not much removed from the stereotype guy on the corner with the end of the world sign.”
…. he’s the same one….

Paul S
October 2, 2018 9:20 am

“…every climate forecast shows deserts spreading and water evaporating across the region…”

Yep, that is what the climate forecasts, based upon inaccurate models, predict. Yet actual satellite observance show the greening of the Sahel and the rest of the globe. So I have a tricky decision, believe the computer models or believe what I can see with my own eyes.

Robert Stewart
Reply to  Paul S
October 2, 2018 9:48 am

If the only thing you’ve ever seen is a computer screen, or the evening news, or the videos in your school, then the need to make a choice isn’t apparent.

Reply to  Robert Stewart
October 2, 2018 10:10 am

“Robert Stewart October 2, 2018 at 9:48 am
If the only thing you’ve ever seen is a computer screen,…”

Bubble people?
Totally isolated from interacting with the real world?

Never feel the sun?
Never feel the wind?
Never touch rain?
Never feel the air dry one off?
Never walk through grass covered with dew?
Never visit the sea? And notice the lack of change?
Never walk through snow or go snow skiing?
etc. etc.

Except for bubble people and alarmists remaining wilfully ignorant, most people can trust their senses and rely upon history to know life will continue.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  ATheoK
October 2, 2018 3:51 pm

I had a Rod McKuen flashback reading what you wrote 🙂

Julie near Chicago
Reply to  ATheoK
October 2, 2018 9:05 pm

Read the short SF story “The Machine Stops,” by E.M. Forster. Pretty sure it’s online.

gmak
Reply to  Paul S
October 2, 2018 10:31 am

“So I have a tricky decision, believe the computer models or believe what I see with my own LYING eyes”. There. FIFY.

Joe Crawford
October 2, 2018 9:21 am

You’re right. He’s definitely not playing with a full deck.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Joe Crawford
October 2, 2018 12:50 pm

Bill’s emoji
🔥🌡😵🌡🔥

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Joe Crawford
October 2, 2018 1:25 pm

⚠🥨-🧠⚠
maybe?

Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 2, 2018 4:48 pm

They both probably deserve a couple of “plusses” but, since I don’t have a cell phone or do “emoji”s, I don’t know what in the (Bill’s vision of the future) you said. 8- )
(The pretzel minus the pink brain-thingy really threw me.)

John Endicott
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 4, 2018 5:58 am

For those that can’t see it, the Bill’s emoji shows
fire
a thermometer
an open mouthed face
another thermometer and
more fire.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 2, 2018 7:26 pm

How about the pile of steaming you know what.

Bill Taylor
October 2, 2018 9:21 am

reality is these liars have ruined the concept of “science”……they have credentials but NOT ONE ounce of sense or integrity

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Bill Taylor
October 2, 2018 10:42 am

McKibben, based upon his personal history, has only ever been a propagandist.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Rocketscientist
October 2, 2018 12:29 pm

To be both scientist and activist reveals a conflict of interest and leads to researchers being considered unscrupulous in methodology, tainted by confirmation bias.

R Shearer
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 2, 2018 3:24 pm

My understanding is that he was an English/journalism major who took to writing environmental fiction. He’s no scientist, activist, yes.

John Endicott
Reply to  R Shearer
October 4, 2018 6:00 am

Even of he had the proper credentials to be a scientist, his being an activist means he’s no scientist. You can’t be both. Science is impartial, activism is not.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  R Shearer
October 4, 2018 8:58 am

I think they already lowered the bar when the allowed cartoonists to be considered Subject Matter Experts in climate change.

It was just a matter of time before journalists followed the economic bread crumbs.

Barbara
Reply to  Bill Taylor
October 2, 2018 11:45 am

UNFCCC

Articles:
Search results: 350.org
https://unfccc.int/gcse?q=350.org

Provides some insight on the 350.org?

Nik
Reply to  Barbara
October 2, 2018 1:32 pm

The latest (as of 9/5/2018) “preliminary” number at “Earth’s CO2” is 406.99 ppm, measured at Mona Loa.

https://www.co2.earth/

Reply to  Nik
October 2, 2018 2:56 pm

I suggest a name change: co2.dearth
Average co2 June 2016 407.9
Average co2 June 2017 402.6
Average co2 June 2018 403.4
K30 1% datalogger at 19° 11′ 38″ S 146° 40′ 31″ E. 60% airflow onto western Pacific shore line.

pochas94
October 2, 2018 9:26 am

Memba back in the ’90s when we were all going to fry? That was the good weather.

drednicolson
Reply to  pochas94
October 2, 2018 5:16 pm

Scalloped, fried, baked, or boiled. Poached, blanched, blackened or broiled. How many flavors of projected planet cooking have we gone through so far?

BillR
October 2, 2018 9:27 am

Every day is now Popcorn Day, when reading such buncombe.

Peter Wilson
Reply to  BillR
October 2, 2018 11:38 am

bunkum?

Walt D.
Reply to  Peter Wilson
October 2, 2018 2:17 pm

Peter: Buncombe was a town in North Carolina from which the term arose.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Walt D.
October 2, 2018 3:04 pm

Buncombe County, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buncombe_County,_North_Carolina

The epithet arose from the verbose politician from those parts who often began his tiresome speeches with, “Back in Buncombe County…” And the phrase grew from his colleagues rolling their eyes while uttering, “What a load of buncombe!” or just “bunk!” for brevity.

Martin557
Reply to  BillR
October 3, 2018 6:19 am

Excellent. I live in Nebraska and we grow the best popcorn in the world.

October 2, 2018 9:28 am

McKibben must prefer the 85% of the past million years, glacial periods when life was difficult and brutal, to the brief interglacials when life flourished. His ignorance that we are now in the coldest 1,000-year period of the past 10,000 years has to be willful; no even casual student of recent climate change is that uninformed.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Michael Combs
October 2, 2018 12:38 pm

“Thou shall not inform thyself beyond the climatariat approved media pablum!”
“History is moot! CO2 will change what it should have been!”
(the 2nd quote was my wife’s cousin. brilliant, eh?)

Joey
October 2, 2018 9:31 am

McKibben is completely nuts. He needs to be in a rubber room.

Pouncer
October 2, 2018 9:31 am

@BillTaylor, Mr McKibbon has not only ruined the concept of “science” but ignored the definition of “boil”.

Allencic
October 2, 2018 9:35 am

How could you not believe everything McKibben says about climate? He is after all an English major from Harvard. As we see daily with so many of our Congressmen and Senators who are Harvard (or Yale) grads they are just so smart, honest and by gosh, just the best people in the world. They (and McKibben) only want the best for all of us. Pure altruism.

Derg
Reply to  Allencic
October 2, 2018 11:27 am

I think the world could use a few less Ivy leaguers in gov’t.

Thomas Englert
Reply to  Allencic
October 2, 2018 6:50 pm

I was more surprised to learn the Trump people expect 7°F warming by 2100.

jon
Reply to  Thomas Englert
October 3, 2018 8:56 am

Thomas Englert October 2, 2018 at 6:50 pm
I was more surprised to learn the Trump people expect 7°F warming by 2100.
Thomas,
I followed the link and found a graph from the environmental impact statement which showed 4 scenarios relating to CO2 and temperature (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/national-highway-traffic-safety-administrations-2100-climate-scenario/3218/).
It showed about 3.7 degrees C warming – RCP8.5. Another model they displayed showed 4.2.
I saw NO statement as to which model or scenario they believed to be true.

Rich Davis
October 2, 2018 9:36 am

Imagine what life would be like if Minnesota and Saskatchewan were more like Louisiana and North Carolina. What a living hell. All that golfing.

rbabcock
Reply to  Rich Davis
October 2, 2018 10:20 am

Living in NC I can vouch for that.

Right now (Oct 2, 2018 1:19PM Eastern) Raleigh is 81F with a balmy light breeze out of the south … Calgary, Alberta is 31F with snow showers. Lows tonight: Raleigh 66F Calgary 20F.

Reply to  rbabcock
October 2, 2018 2:59 pm

Calgary is expecting 15” of snow before the system moves out tomorrow afternoon. It’s a “freak fall snowfall”. In 2014 we got one September 14. Since this one is Oct. 2, McKibben would say it’s proof of global warming.

Allencic
Reply to  Rich Davis
October 2, 2018 1:16 pm

Maybe that should disqualify them from government jobs? Or any jobs?

Phillip Bratby
October 2, 2018 9:38 am

Better get him a strait-jacket and find a padded cell to put him in.

Latitude
October 2, 2018 9:44 am

so…we’re all going to die…the US has to do it all
…over 200 countries can pollute all they want

No more traiffs…let China do all the manufacturing…they can do it so much cheaper without any of those annoying environmental regulations

…and it’s always the US that has to change

Hugs
Reply to  Latitude
October 2, 2018 10:44 am

Yeah it’s funny how the British Guardian kind-of blames Trump for Germany, China not doing anything efficient. US emissions are on the decline, after all. Not small yet, but in decline.

william Johnston
Reply to  Latitude
October 2, 2018 6:32 pm

And pay for the privilege.

John Bell
October 2, 2018 9:45 am

It IS going to get drier, and wetter, and hotter, and colder, and more snow, and less snow, and more hurricanes, and fewer hurricanes, we predicted it, but not sure when, but before long, must act now, send money, and you give up luxuries, but not me…

kent beuchert
October 2, 2018 9:47 am

McKibbon even looks like the village idiot.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  kent beuchert
October 2, 2018 10:19 am

Yeah.
And the internet means the the V I now goes global.

No longer constrained by Parish boundaries and ASBO’s.

Graemethecat
October 2, 2018 9:49 am

Bill McKibben is so dumb he thinks that the World’s water is disappearing as a result of Climate Change. He has apparently never heard of the Hydrological Cycle.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Graemethecat
October 2, 2018 3:32 pm

Yeah, as if evaporation is the only thing water does.

william matlack
October 2, 2018 9:51 am

Syrians shipped because of climate. Really ?? Ithought it had more to do with Assad dropping chemical bombs on them that motivated the departure

Gary Ashe
Reply to  william matlack
October 2, 2018 10:16 am

Sheesh, what made you think that, bit naive.

Andy in Epsom
Reply to  william matlack
October 3, 2018 5:01 am

The one question everyone should ask about the migrants coming to Europe is :-

Why are there no families just single men in their 20s/30s claiming to be schoolboys? If it was a real problem it would be everyone surely!

drednicolson
October 2, 2018 9:51 am

You imply that he once had a mind to lose. 😐

John Endicott
Reply to  drednicolson
October 4, 2018 6:30 am

“What a terrible thing to have lost one’s mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is.” – D.Q.

Joey
October 2, 2018 9:54 am

McKibben is nuts. That’s all that needs to be said about his yammering.

Art
October 2, 2018 9:55 am

McKibben is nuts. That’s all that needs to be said about his yammering.

October 2, 2018 9:58 am

“350.org founder Bill McKibben was a bit off”

“A bit off”?

That is, if a bit off means outside the orbit of Saturn.

Hugs
Reply to  ATheoK
October 2, 2018 10:47 am

Astronomically speaking yes, but that’s a bit long way for an electric car.

John Endicott
Reply to  Hugs
October 4, 2018 6:29 am

A trip across town is “a bit long way for an electric car.”

rubberduck
October 2, 2018 10:00 am

Make no mistake, America’s contribution to the world has been overwhelmingly positive. But then you get these weirdos coming out of that whole tradition of preachers of the apocalypse. We can only hope that America’s strong traditions of free speech allow an open debate.

October 2, 2018 10:01 am

The 2022-25 mileage standard would of led to people driving Obama coffins. Anyone familiar with the US highway accidents statistics knows that subcompact cars kill

Barbara
Reply to  MIKE MCHENRY
October 2, 2018 11:54 am

CAFE began with small numbers and the numbers have increased over time. Start with small requirements and then keep increasing the “demands”. A way to things get done.

Also Demand-side Management.

E J Zuiderwijk
October 2, 2018 10:05 am

It reads as a satire, almost.

One wonders what Bill’s feelings will be when it finally dawns on him that the planet won’t boil and that the Trump administration is actually the only one in the western world that puts sensible energy policies in place.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
October 2, 2018 1:44 pm

I think the venerable TV star will hold onto his doctrines and ride the “west coast climate express” until it crashes or runs out of fuel. He will change his story only when it becomes more lucrative to do so.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 2, 2018 3:34 pm

Oops, I was multitasking and got off on a Bill Nye tangent! sorry.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 2, 2018 3:49 pm

Too many Bills connected to fighting climate.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Pop Piasa
October 2, 2018 3:57 pm

You mean, like 50s and 100s?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
October 2, 2018 3:36 pm

People hold on tight to their delusions.

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