Just like models overestimate future climate, I’m betting they are overestimating the crowds. Oh, and for the entertainment factor, more civil disobedience! From the Guardian:
Hundreds of thousands expected to join global climate marches this weekend
Protests against politicians’ failure to tackle the environmental crisis will take place in more than 90 countries
Hundreds of thousand of people in more than 90 countries are expected to take part in demonstrations this weekend to protest about the failure of politicians to tackle the global environmental crisis.
Organisers say more than 800 events – from marches to street theatre, acts of civil disobedience to mini festivals – will take place in towns and cities amid growing frustration at the lack of meaningful political action over the emerging climate breakdown.
Nick Bryer from campaign group 350.org which is organising the event said: “Politicians are failing. They are still protecting the interests of the fossil fuel companies over the interests of people, despite mounting evidence of the devastation these companies and this system is causing the planet.”
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That sign makes me cringe and gag at the same time.
acts of civil disobedience…. campaign group 350.org which is organising the event
Democrats….vote for us or we will hunt you down and hurt you real bad
And yea, 300 protesters in each of 800 cities is enough to make “hundreds of thousands.”
TRUTH TO POWER!
Some will have more but many will have far less
800×300 = 24000 which is not even a quarter on one hundred thousand
You left out ” mini festivals” I bet Marry Jane will be there.
I like how the “please pay first” is framed under his sign so neatly. That should be a credo of the left.
Do you think Bill frowns that well in his family vacation pictures, too?
Somebody needs to be standing next to him with a sign that says “this guy is a liar”.
Perhaps what is needed would be to have strategically located protesters holding truthful signs indicating the reality of the changing climate following along with the crowd and following their chanting
There were hundreds there.
The rest were modeled.
450,000 / 90 countries = 5000 per country / 10 major cities = 500 per city
450,000 / 800 events = 560 per event
They may be lucky to get 100 people per event for 80,000
Cheers Bryan. I see you beat me to it.
Resist! the the poli sci scam
I notice Bill, with his sign, has a MLB team hat on. I guess that the entertainment industry, including sports, movies, music, etc., all jetting around the world daily, are not included in who is supposed to cut down on their fossil fuel use. HYPOCRITE.
That’s why “This Rump Temporarily Closed” because he is an a**hat. >rimshot<
Honestly, why is is 'temporarily' closed. If Bill were committed he would stand there until global temperatures came down, at least. Something tells me 'temporarily' meant as long as it took to take the picture.
1) Does anyone really think that pencil-necked geek would physically try to prevent someone from filling up their tank?
2) How did he get to the gas station? On foot? Bicycle?
3) What, exactly, did ExxonMobil know?
Among the many #Exxon Knew documents was this gem…
Well, being a scientist, a sedimentary geologist to be more specific, I was curious. So I looked up Möller (1963) and found the abstract to this seminal publication…
This was priceless!!! So I spent $6 to rent the paper for 48 hours. Here are some highlights:
So, way back in 1963, ExxonMobil knew exactly what we know today:
The entire theory of climatic changes by CO2 variations is questionable.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/18/smoke-fumes-part-deux-exxon-knew-the-entire-theory-of-climatic-changes-by-co2-variations-is-questionable/
Good on you for digging. You can get it for free next time.
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1029/JZ068i013p03877
Isn’t tumblr.com a rather shady site? I’d be hesitant to go there.
David, I’m guessing Bill never read those parts of the paper.
I doubt he read anything more than the talking points memo.
I was around enough government, industry, the legal profession and academia in Louisiana during that period to know what was going on. I also had friends, relatives and students who spent a lifetime working in the petroleum industry. Roughly by decade in the 60s the environmental problem was fouling oyster reefs and shrimp nets. In the 70s it was tell me what is going on. In the 80s it was all the problems moving offshore like avoiding archaeological sites, and so on. If Exxon (I still have ESSO maps) knew, it was the best kept secret, because nobody else did and if they knew anything it was wrong.
Thanks for the homework, apparently a lost art, always needed to be drilled into the interior of skulls.
So wait a minute … are you saying that Exxon knew there was a paper published in the Journal of Geophysical Research in 1963 but didn’t tell anyone? Those bastards!
A key point missed by the CAGW team is in the abstract: “Overlapping of the absorption bands of CO2 and H2O in the range around 15 μ essentially diminishes the temperature changes.”
To this, I would add that the concentration of H2O in the atmosphere is much higher than the concentration of CO2, therefore the effect of IR absorption by H2O overwhelms that of CO2.
Dave,
That is a priceless gem. Well, a $6 priceless gem. I guess Bill McK missed it. Thanks, you made my day.
Something tells me ‘temporarily’ meant as long as it took to take the picture.
Worse than that, I suspect that the pump was entirely open for business the entire time and if a car had happen to pull while he was standing there, he would have had to move out of the way either voluntarily or by a gentle nudge from the station attendant.
No, he definitely wanted the photo op of getting arrested as much as any other. That look on his face in the back of the officer’s car pretty much says it all.
That’s just something he does while filling up his SUV on the way to the airport.
It’s not just the baseball cap. He seems to be wearing a gold ring on his right hand. Unless the gold and alloys for that ring were panned from a running stream, then smelted over an open wood fire and formed using simple hand tools (sharpened rocks and sticks), it’s another case of do as I say not as I do.
The sign itself seems to be one of those made of polypropylene on polymer foam – all derived from crude oil.
It could be that ‘daily menu specials’ whiteboard that disappeared from in front of the deli down the block. He can wipe it off and redo it for every demonstration.
“This rump temporarily closed”. Sounds like a case of constipation to me. I suggest you try Exlax.
That may be “The One Ring to Fool Them All”!
Except that he is only fooling himself..
or making a fool of himself.
I swear …. when I first read the sign … I thought it said .. “This Rump Closed …” …. I was like, was does your rump have to do with #Exxonknew??? … and just what did #ExxonKnew know about your rump??
….. Ahhh … but then I reread it and noticed it said “pump”. :-p
Wasn’t just me then. I saw “this rump” and stopped right there to try to figure out if they meant “rump” or if I’d somehow missed the “T” and it was supposed to say “Trump” before I finally figured out that the word was “pump”. Whoever made that sign didn’t do a very good job.
Damn you Deanster. Beat me to it.
I think it was where his head was stuck ?
me, too…
Me too.
#metoo
Dr. Deanster
Maybe it is RUMP. The guy’s full of shit.
Maybe if someone brought a male turkey to tangle with him, he’d go away.
He’s probably just not very good at planning ahead. After he wrote the “P” he probably realized that he was running out of space and decided to crowd the “P” with the “U.” More evidence of the high quality work of alarmists!
http://freakytrigger.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/idiocracy-1.jpg
If I needed fuel and he tried to stop me with that sign ….. well his rump would be opened as I repositioned his sign.
I read “Rump”, at first, too in that sign. Then my mind went to “Trump”. I was actually unclear, until I read this part of the WUWT commentary.
The guy made his “P” too big, saw how little space he had remaining, and so he had to cram the “P” into the other letters to keep all the letters around the same size.
Duh, I got to keep al mi leddurs thu same siZe, so peeple kan reed mI sine
… forgetting, of course, that readability requires SEPARATION, as well as size. He should have started the sign over to get it right.
Is it asking too much for a protestor or a panhandler to use good graphic design principles in their signs? Really, it takes a focused effort to get a readable sign from twenty or more feet away.
I would consider giving a panhandler some money, just because he might use graphic design to enable people to actually read his/her damn sign. I never trust any of them, anyway, but I might consider rewarding a competent sign.
The sign should read”
“This Mind Temporarily Closed”
Because I Have NOT Bothered Distinguishing
Lies from Truths”
The affluent, having read and taken to heart Paul Erhlich’s “Population Bomb,” want to save fossil fuel reserves for themselves and their descendants in order to fuel their multiple homes, high end automobiles, boats and planes, by putting the overwhelming majority of the worlds population on energy starved renewables. They anticipate reducing the worlds population by at least 1/3 to 1/2 over the course of this century. They have promised Hansen/Mann Inc. Country Club Memberships for their Climate Hoax. They have sold out cheap.
I think you are on to a key conscious or unconscious theme underlying much of the Club of Rome thinking. There is the romanticization of belief in the end of time as we know it combined with a conviction that those who proclaim both the doom and the ultimate solution are to be among the survivors of whatever antihumanistic annihilation they put in motion. Post-apocalyptic visions of the future are not popular because people envision themselves wiped out in whatever carnage precedes the new reality, but because they inevitably see themselves as the lucky survivors in a world cleared of competing interests. People foolishly and selfishly fantisize a world full of resources and unspoiled nature in which they and a few chosen friends have free range while all the annoying troublsome bulk of humanity has cleared the stage to allow a frivolous romp in the new Eden (with or without clothes). I suspect people disappointed or unsuccessful in life in the real world governed by unchanging physical laws are those most drawn to this infantile fanatasy.
Andy, just long way of saying the global pollution apocalypse is the form millennialist yearnings take in the modern age, without a supernatural focus.
“Rainbow Six” describes such a conspiracy.
Oh, the epoxyclypse again? Those who will survive will not be those snooty, self-absorbed, eogcentric elites.
Do you know?
They can’t build a shelter.
They can’t do their own laundry.
They can’t grow a garden or preserve the produce.
They can’t repair anything. They just dump it and buy the next model.
They make their own clothing, never mind sew on a missing button.
They can’t produce wine, whiskey or beer, never mind clean water to make it fit to drink.
They can’t do their own medical care.
They can’t cook.
Those are things which will restart civilization.
I also cook.
Lack of clean water is why man invented beer.
Quite true. French and Belgian farmers used home brewed beer to hydrate their workers since drinking the water made them sick.
There was a TV show illustrating this “Last Man on Earth”. Most of the population died but all the infrastructure remained. These were not elites, but rather mostly city people who couldn’t do anything but use up the resources in one area and then move on.
Are you the “Sheri” that has contributed the “picture of the day” from Wyoming this past week?
Douglas Adams cleverly assigned the individuals you describe to the first ship leaving Earth in search of a new home planet due to a very vague and poorly documented eminent threat in his Htchiker’s Guide series. Perhaps what we are seeing is a real world rush to be on the first escape pod from planet Earth. Many very vocal adherents have established their qualifications and we even have a very acceptable Noah to build the ark in the always entertaining Elon Musk. I think this is a project I can support, and no hard feelings on my part if I am not qualified for early departure. Let the phone sanitizers and climate bedwetters break trail for all of us.
Can Musk really get two of every species into a worn-out Tesla? 🚀🌎
He’ll have to stop to recharge before he could even get out of the atmosphere.
He’ll have to stop smoking pot before he becomes motivated enough to do anything else.
He’ll have to stop smoking pot long enough to notice that his top executives are quitting.
I would help them over load their space vehicle such that they fail to break away from the sun’s gravity after leaving the earth’s atmosphere.
Hundreds of thousands as a worldwide number that is pathetic, you can get at least 1000 in any large town in Australia by putting on a free BBQ or school fete. They really need to recruit some of the organizing committee people from around the place.
Hah hah hah … That’s not a demonstration.
That’s a demonstration.
So’s that.
apologies to C. Dundee
dont give em any ideas!
that said the barbie idea might hit a snag
if the bunnings debacle with vegan snags was anything to go by;-)
cos they have to be soyburgers or snags to be eco friendly like..
and the bbq will have to be with scavenged sticks not gas n beads
lol
Well I’m sure the good old BBC/Lame-stream meedja will promote the numbers as much as possible, with minimal long shots but lots of close-ups to expand the mob numbers, focussing on the emotive melo-dramatic banners & signs! I expect lots of chilfren to be dragged along too, the Left love manipulating children, & they in turn usually love the lime-lightthese days, it’s their 15 minutes of fame! Lenin loved using the yoof of Russia, as did Hitler in Germany, they are so easily roused into a blood baying rabble! As someone once said, todays revolutionary is tomorrow’s establishment figure!
When I first read the sign, I wondered what Exxon and the climate had to do with his rump. Either I need to read more carefully or perhaps Bill could put a little more effort into his artistic endeavors.
Wake me up when there are more AGW protestors than Indy 500 spectators.
Follow the money.
Who is paying these people?
We demand CLIMATE STASIS now!
What do we want? CLIMATE STASIS
When do we want it? NOW
yeah, that’s catchy. 😉
That is not all they want, they want the climate change that has already happened to be reversed. “We want a return to 1700 (climate, standard of living and population).”
Why do they go to places where they already have control of the message? Why not go protest somewhere that the population is mostly skeptical? Go protest where there are minds to change instead preaching to the choir
Cowardice and need for praise.
It’s like the women’s march here in the states. Why are you protesting in a country where you already have all the rights? why aren’t you protesting in certain middle eastern or African nations where women have no rights?
Risk-averse slacktivism is the big trend these days. Putting yourself at real personal risk to protest an injustice is like, sooo 20th century.
Reminds me of a joke from the Soviet era.
A Russian tells an American tourists that Russians have the same rights as Americans.
You have the right to stand in front of the White House and call the American president an idiot.
Likewise, I can stand in front of the Kremlin and call the American president an idiot.
That’s easy, all bullies love easy targets, they never tackle tough targets, tough targets might just fight back, & they wouldn’t want to get hurt!
Wonder what the carbon footprint will be with all those cars, buses, aeroplanes etc. dashing about and mobile phones cluttering up the airwaves. And there are all those half eaten hamburgers and crisp packets which will need picking up .
The real environment is not their concern. Usually after left-wing and enviro’s rallies there are tons of trash, because clean up is considered the govenment’s responsibility. After right-wing events there is considerably less trash, because clean up is considered an individual responsibility.
Conservative rallies often leave their venues cleaner than they found them.
It’s like Jihad – if you’re participating in the mission, you get to have all the vices you want.
Why doesnt the government offer to pay for air travel to China and have these people demonstrate in front of the Forbidden city or Tiananmen Square? Since China is putting out 31% of the CO2 in the world , I am sure that the president of China would welcome the demonstrators with open arms so as to have the demonstrators apprise him of China’s evil ways. Of course those open arms would be backed up by truncheons , nightsticks , tear gas , machine guns and tanks And Of course our state departments and foreign affairs departments would warn the demonstrators beforehand DONT EXPECT ANY HELP FROM US AFTER YOU ARE ARRESTED. I wonder how many demonstrators would take up the offer?
I an quite certain that the President of China would find suitable accommodation for all the protesters. However it wouldn’t be on any of the Zhivago websites list of accommodation.
That’s for any protestor who actually made it in. If such a protest was actually planned China would ask social media companies for profiles of those trying to enter the country around the time of such planned event. They would then scan profiles and plain old deny entry to those they believe were entering to join the protest.
Or perhaps the Chinese government might need bodies to help rebuild the Great Wall … on minimal sustenance …
Or more diggers for the rare earth mineral mines. It’d give them an up close and personal look at where their solar panels and smartphone batteries come from.
Flying is evil… give them a rowing boat.
How about a rowing machine, hooked to a generator.
I have invented in my mind a cell phone which only works when you pedal it.
I call it The Fit Bitch.
Emotionalism is all they’ve got, especially now that they’re losing. They need to keep the brainless, drooling climate troops fired up, shouting slogans, singing songs, marching, and otherwise making complete asses of themselves. They know that the young, especially are down for that kind of thing, because they get to virtue signal to their heart’s content, feel all good about themselves and how they are “saving the planet”, and be part of the herd dynamic.
In today’s society, how you feel about an issue is more important than what you know about it, as long as you repeat what the news media has meted out to you as a peon.
I dunno about overestimates. If we divide 100,000 people by 800 events that gives us 125 people per event. You can probably rustle up that many sheeple for just about anything on a given weekend. Of course most are coming out to watch the circus, but not all of them are clowns.
100,000 people – assuming 1.5 people per vehicle x 10-50 miles per trip (to and from each vehicle), means how much CO2 is releasing protesting the use of fossil fuels to feed, clothe, and shelter 7 billion people each year with cleaner water, sewage treatment and safer food preparation?
If you pick the right spots you can find half of them just happening to be there. Hand them a sign and say, “could you please hold this for me a second while I take a picture”?
Remind them that their biggest contribution would be for them to desist spewing evil CO2 from their noses. OK, I’m waiting for you all to put your money where your mouth is.
Remind them that their biggest contribution would be for them to desist spewing evil CO2 from their noses and mouths
Fixed that for you. Don’t want to leave them any loopholes 😉
You forgot one more orifice where a greenhouse gas can escape.
They can’t use that one, that’s where their voices come out!
If they’re ‘marching’ in Minnesota, they’re freezing their chicken mcnuggets off!
Record Breaking September Cold Hits Northern Minnesota
https://www.yahoo.com/news/record-breaking-september-cold-hits-northern-minnesota-165017798.html
“What do we want? No climate change. When do we want it? Now.”
We want the Climate to Stop!
That would make a great protest sign!!
Hell, why stop there? We should have protests to stop heart attacks, cancer, headaches, bad moods, flat-tires, hangovers – I mean we’re talking for the potential for real change here!
And finally a protest to stop protests, because irony is a completely lost concept on your average virtue-signaling slacktivist.
Good thinking, Dred, they can go back to their X-box gaming in virtual reality.
I’d love to see a sign at a bad weather protest that had the following quote from TheGuradian regarding climate gate:
“We should have been warned by the CFC/ozone affair because the corruption of science in that was so bad that something like 80% of the measurements being made during that time were either faked, or incompetently done.”
– Scientist James Lovelock
(This would also make a nice billboard message….)
According to 360.org’s map there is a rally at 4 PM tomorrow at Bayfront Park in Miami. I will check the news reports to see how many people show up and report back. Other WUWT readers should do the same for their areas.
It’s 350 org, Mumbles. But it ought to be about 403 org now.
I believe the goal of their organization was to prevent CO2 levels from exceeding 350ppm, thus the name of the website, but it looks to me like they need to go to a little higher number since CO2 is now at 403ppm.
I kind of like it here at 403ppm (real nice weather), so that might be a good new goal for 350 org to set themselves. Then they can be current and not look like losers.
I think the CO2 level was over 380 ppm before he formed 350.org
Probably. Reality is never an issue with these folks.
I thought that 350ppm is what they claim the maximum safe level for CO2 is.
Could be. However, that’s obviously not true since we are at over 400 ppm and still doing just fine. Unless you watch the MSM.
Indeed, why let reality get in the way of propaganda.
Bless his heart, he’s a little slow. 🙂
Tom Abbott: you’re right! 350 org fell into the same trap as 20th Century Fox, now known as 21st Century Fox (at least until the year 2100). It’s kind of dumb when you think about it. Time is a scalar that moves on in one direction only. It reminds me of Jethrow from the Beverly Hillbillies who when he was complimented about his new watch and was asked for the time, replied: “ Its 12 minutes and 15 seconds past … no, it’s 12 minute and 16 seconds past … no wait, it’s 12 minutes and 17 seconds past …
Jethrow was just trying to be precise. 🙂
That will do, Mr. Data
Found the website for the Miami rally:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/miami-rising-for-climate-jobs-and-justice-tickets-48434558067
Jesus, their logo couldn’t BE more ‘Social Realist’ if they had a prole wearing dungarees and carry a sheaf of wheat! And somehow Climate had gotten entangled with Jobs and Justice. There is even a speaker listed as “Climate Justice Program Manager”. In case you were wondering where the Climate would look to for justice. No doubt this crowd will break into a few choruses of “The Internationale” after the Indigenous Water Ceremony. My mind boggles.
The trouble is their “justice” is merely their opinion of what “justice” should be, essentially grant me all the power I want & do what Itell you to do, give me your money!
I checked the local media, and while there were some mentions of the rally in events calendars I did not see any news reports on TV or newspapers about the actual rally. It was raining in Miami at 4PM, so I was disinclined to personally check out the event at Biscayne Park to see the turnout, but Media-wise it was a bust.
100’s of thousands across 90 countries…. let’s do the math. That would be thousands per country. So, I think they are vastly underestimating the number of people with their heads up their ass in 30 or 40 of those countries… at least.
Yes, it will be interesting to see whether the turnout is large or not.
They can probably get at least a few hundred from Tuvalu alone; climate change extortion is their single greatest domestic product.
Lets be generous and say 900,000 souls turn up for the demonstration (the word ‘million’ wasn’t used). With a world population approaching 7,500,000,000, the demonstrators represent 0.000012% of all humans. Wow!
Sounds a bit like the actual Scientific Consensus
Identical to the warming effect of all the CO2 emissions we could cut before we all starve to death.
You have 3 zeros too many, it is 0.012% still nothing!
What a fruitcake !
It boggles the mind that Middlebury, an otherwise well-regarded college, employs a complete charlatan like McKibben.
Was it Mark Twain who asked, ‘how can there be twice as many horse’s asses as there are horses?
Sounds like something Twain would have said.However, the closest I could find wasn’t from Twain:
Why is it there are so many more horses’ asses than there are horses?
– G. Gordon Liddy
I had always thought Liddy had cribbed that from Twain – but after searching, it appears you are correct.