Friday Funny – the real fossil fuel “divestment” problem

Bill McKibben and his eco-worriers over at 350.org have been big on getting Universities and other organizations to “divest” from fossil-fuel based investments. They’ve even gone so far as to claim: Irish parliament makes history with vote to divest country fully from fossil fuels.

Good luck with that, Ireland. But that gesture really only goes so far. Josh suggests these folks at 350.org should lead by example, and is calling on all environmentalists to give up everything to do with fossil fuels. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Lets hope the loincloth is made of cotton, eh?

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M__ S__
August 24, 2018 11:55 am

Maybe the universities will invest in solar power and lose all their money.

TonyL
Reply to  M__ S__
August 24, 2018 12:26 pm

Due to unavoidable circumstances and a difficult financial environment, tuition and all fees will be increased by a modest 975.0% for the next academic year.
We apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your understanding.

john
Reply to  TonyL
August 24, 2018 12:38 pm

They have to pay their electricity somehow….

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/24/california-to-vote-for-renewable-energy/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=atdailycaller

Oh, and studying by candle light…

Paraffin wax is a petroleum by-product created when crude oil is refined into gasoline. It is a white, odorless solid that is formed into 10 lb. slabs. Paraffin is the most commonly used wax for candle making.

Gerry, England
Reply to  john
August 24, 2018 1:23 pm

In the good old days whale oil was used for lighting so get hunting those whales again.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Gerry, England
August 24, 2018 3:16 pm

‘Save the Whales’
or make CO2?
Decisions, decisions…really?

czechlist
Reply to  rocketscientist
August 24, 2018 6:40 pm

Remember paper or plastic – save a tree!?
Ironic

Bob Burban
Reply to  Gerry, England
August 25, 2018 7:53 am

Hello tallow.

Susan
Reply to  john
August 24, 2018 2:21 pm

Beeswax: encouraging bees is always good. Wood burning stoves are out though, it still releases the toxic molecule.

Reply to  Susan
August 24, 2018 3:58 pm

Rich people get to burn beeswax candles.
Fossil fuel divesters should be required to raise their own bees for their own candles. One wonders if they’ll ever figure out that it will take way more than one beehive to supply a household with wax.

Poor people burn tallow candles (soft, drippy, easily guttered) or use oil lamps.

A return to the old ways that easily caused house fires.

Gamecock
Reply to  Susan
August 25, 2018 1:33 pm

Bees are an invasive species.

pochas94
Reply to  TonyL
August 24, 2018 1:04 pm

Universities are a business. It’s profitable to educate dimwits with all the loan money they have available. Problem is, dimwits end up running the university.

MarkW
Reply to  pochas94
August 24, 2018 1:07 pm

Those who can go into the private sector.
The rest remain in academia.

Phil R
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2018 6:08 pm

and ruin it for everyone else.

Gwan
Reply to  pochas94
August 24, 2018 1:32 pm

And our countries

Gwan
Reply to  pochas94
August 24, 2018 1:47 pm

And some of the dim wits end up running our cities and our countries and want to ban fossil fuels or tax them so that they are so expensive that only the very wealthy could afford to own a car or pay there power bills .Our present government has banned any further off shore oil and gas exploration as long as they are in power in New Zealand .

Editor
Reply to  TonyL
August 24, 2018 3:32 pm

Can I pay using my plastic card?

Eric Stevens
Reply to  M__ S__
August 24, 2018 3:06 pm

Better still, they should be compelled to be entirely dependent on renewables.

Reply to  Eric Stevens
August 24, 2018 7:33 pm

That should be part of “divestment”, don’t you think?

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Eric Stevens
September 6, 2018 6:59 pm

Try building any of those without petroleum products.

Man Bearpig
Reply to  M__ S__
August 25, 2018 9:22 am

Or Tesla and getting 110% of energy out of a hamster wheel.

Edwin
August 24, 2018 11:59 am

When McKibben and similar ilk come up with such horse manure I wonder what world they actually live in, whether they are dumber than posts or they believe they are just so much smarter than everyone else. That they don’t understand that the modern technology they use to broadcast their propaganda is fossil fuel based is remarkable.

brians356
Reply to  Edwin
August 24, 2018 2:24 pm

McKibben at least has an excuse for not understanding technology. He made his name as the society gossip columnist at The New Yorker magazine. Believe it. His science background is less than zilch.

August 24, 2018 12:03 pm

Why would any responsible person or organization divest themselves of profitable investments?

Hugs
Reply to  TomB
August 24, 2018 12:09 pm

Well I could come up with a few examples, starting from investing on criminal but profitable businesses.

Bryan A
Reply to  Hugs
August 24, 2018 12:19 pm

You could have a point if there was anything criminal in High Density Carbon based Fuel sources…
But there isn’t!!!!
The only criminal activity associated with the Fossil Fuel Industry are the Eco-Terrorists that try to shut things down through violent acts of sabotage.

MarkW
Reply to  Hugs
August 24, 2018 1:08 pm

Hugs, I don’t believe you are allowed to invest in government.
Just politicians.

Phil R
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2018 6:11 pm

Sadly, I updung (updinged, updang??) you because you’re absolutely correct.

H.R.
Reply to  Phil R
August 24, 2018 9:09 pm

I gave you a +1 for that “updang,” hil R.

We’ll just have to wait and see how long it takes Miriam-Webster to catch up with cutting edge English.

H.R.
Reply to  H.R.
August 24, 2018 9:12 pm

That should read, Phil R.
I have a sticky ‘P’ key due to the Mayonnaise Incident. Don’t ask.

Man Bearpig
Reply to  H.R.
August 25, 2018 9:39 am

@H.R.
We run a carbon neutral cleaning service for this type of ‘incident’, it only costs £150 per keyboard (plus shipping and taxes) .. Of course we only work with wooden keyboards because of the plastic ‘thing’, you know.

commieBob
Reply to  TomB
August 24, 2018 12:33 pm

Investing in CO2-free enterprises worked well for Al Gore. link That’s why he pumps up the alarmism.

I suspect that it’s a bit like a pyramid scheme. Gore got rich but those who follow him might not do so well.

David Chandler
Reply to  commieBob
August 25, 2018 1:49 am

Nor can the poorer people that can ill afford the subsidies paid for renewable electricity

Duncan Smith
August 24, 2018 12:03 pm

I have had this argument with one of my believer friends, his point was that it needs to be a “global” solution, individual sacrifices don’t have enough impact *facepalm*. And then he joked about being “selfish” with a laugh. I am not making this up.

drednicolson
Reply to  Duncan Smith
August 24, 2018 12:20 pm

“I’ll start sacrificing when everyone else does.” Now take that attitude and multiply it by all the people in the “First World”. The flaw in the reasoning won’t be hard to find.

TonyL
Reply to  Duncan Smith
August 24, 2018 12:43 pm

Your friend is absolutely correct. Individual sacrifice does not have enough impact. To really get an impact, you have to sacrifice whole countries. Venezuela is a good example. Due to their cancellation of their oil production industry, they are also leaders in the “Leave It In The Ground” movement. Other countries that come to mind are Cuba, Haiti, and North Korea.
There is a bit of unrecognized genius in these solutions as well. When the populace does not own any consumer goods which require electricity, then there is no need to provide electricity. So the savings is twofold. In addition, the populace saves a lot of money that they would otherwise spend on consumer goods.

commieBob
Reply to  TonyL
August 24, 2018 12:57 pm

… the populace saves a lot of money that they would otherwise spend on consumer goods.

As a result, everything is worse. It’s the Paradox of Thrift. Only under ‘evil’ capitalism is everyone better off. Pinker

I may be commie but Steven is Pinker.

DeanG
Reply to  commieBob
August 24, 2018 8:12 pm

The Paradox of Thrift is a Keynesian myth. If consumption decreases then prices fall. Says Law.

commieBob
Reply to  DeanG
August 25, 2018 12:28 pm

Prices were really low during the Great Depression. link That should have stimulated demand but nobody had any money. Even with cheap everything, it was a miserable time.

Wallaby Geoff
Reply to  TonyL
August 24, 2018 1:38 pm

Don’t forget New Zealand
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/12/new-zealand-bans-all-new-offshore-oil-exploration-as-part-of-carbon-neutral-future
Another impractical socialist government trying to send the country broke.

Ve2
Reply to  Wallaby Geoff
August 24, 2018 6:44 pm

And after they have succeeded they will export the unemployed to Australia to go on CentreLink.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Ve2
August 26, 2018 8:18 pm

NZ’ers (Granted category 444 visa upon entry) arriving in Australia cannot claim benefits from CentreLink for at least 2 years after arrival IIRC.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Wallaby Geoff
August 26, 2018 8:22 pm

Will take effect in 30 years, 2050? She’ll be long gone, living a posh lifestyle all on the tax payers coin. When NZ MP’s found out about the Australia Guilt Edge pension funds scheme, they voted on it on the spot and now have almost the same scheme in place.

Latitude
August 24, 2018 12:10 pm

““divest” from fossil-fuel based investments.”

so I take it they are all for Trump’s tariffs on China

Radical Rodent
August 24, 2018 12:15 pm

Not only that the loin-cloth is made from cotton, but that the cotton (a plant from a hot country) arrived by wooden, wind-assisted or rowed boats. Oh, and not only plucked by hand, but treated, spun and woven by hand, too. Might make it a bit expensive, though…

drednicolson
Reply to  Radical Rodent
August 24, 2018 12:27 pm

And no hydrocarbon-based fertilizers or pesticides/herbicides used in its cultivation! And don’t let me catch the farmworkers with any rubber or fiberglass handled tools! And the blacksmith making them better not be burning coal in that forge!

Nigel Sherratt
Reply to  Radical Rodent
August 24, 2018 1:01 pm

We’re gonna jump down turn around
pick a bale of cotton,
jump down turn around pick a bale a day.
Jump down turn around
pick a bale of cotton,
jump down turn around pick a bale a day.

HDHoese
Reply to  Radical Rodent
August 24, 2018 1:27 pm

I just drove by several miles of recently harvested cotton fields. Rather large machines used, air conditioned, I believe. Large diesel trucks hauling it away in big round bales. Used airplanes for applications, now a dangerous occupation due to windmills. Put lots of workers out of business long, long ago.

http://www.windaction.org/posts/46562-wind-energy-and-aviation-safety-fatalities#.W4BptbhOkdX

Gunga Din
Reply to  Radical Rodent
August 24, 2018 1:52 pm

Sounds like we’ll have to rebuild all the canal systems in the US with animals to pull the canal boats to deliver the cotton.
(That or replace all the railroads’ engines with 0-4-4 wood-burners.)

James A. Schrumpf
Reply to  Radical Rodent
August 24, 2018 2:39 pm

There was a way around paying a lot for all that hand labor, but the method escapes me at the moment.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Radical Rodent
August 26, 2018 8:24 pm

Cotton growing uses lots of water too.

Bryan A
August 24, 2018 12:16 pm

Shouldn’t present much of a problem for Ireland, Most homes are within walking distance of the nearest Pub.
Though they may need to moderate their consumption so they don’t get too drunk to walk

Major Meteor
Reply to  Bryan A
August 24, 2018 12:26 pm

The beers they are quaffing are emitting carbon dioxide, so Ireland will have to divest itself from Pubs.

Nigel Sherratt
Reply to  Major Meteor
August 24, 2018 1:02 pm

Not to mention the methane emissions on the way home.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt
August 24, 2018 11:57 pm

Don’t worry, soon all premises selling alcohol will be shut down as a result of yet another revelation from the UN’s WHO!!!! 😉

Thomas Homer
Reply to  Bryan A
August 24, 2018 12:58 pm

“Shouldn’t present much of a problem for Ireland”

Is Peat considered a fossil fuel?

Gunga Din
Reply to  Thomas Homer
August 24, 2018 1:58 pm
brians356
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 24, 2018 2:29 pm

“Whisky” please.

Richmond
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 24, 2018 2:38 pm

Peat should be out, but the Irish use kilns to dry malt so it does not get that smoke flavor. The Scotts dry their malt on screens over a peat fire and it really shows in the Highland tipples. Islay has an iodine flavor from the use of seaweed, but some people like that. So, if you would like to compare these differences, come around for a wee dram.

Walt D.
August 24, 2018 12:24 pm

“Ban Mining. Let the Bastards Freeze in the Dark”.
(Bumper sticker from the 70’s)

czechlist
Reply to  Walt D.
August 24, 2018 6:50 pm

In 70s Texas we were paying outrageous prices for electricity while – because of interstate commerce laws- people in the NE were paying less for the surplus energy produced here.
We had bumper stickers “leave your lights on and freeze a Yankee”

Cam_S
August 24, 2018 12:28 pm

What are those little bubbles, that the Guinness is releasing?

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Cam_S
August 24, 2018 12:50 pm

Nitrogen.

Honest liberty
Reply to  Richard of NZ
August 24, 2018 12:59 pm

Beat me to it, approximately 75% nitrogen, 25% co2.
Beer gas (what we call nitro in the States at least for home brew) is typically a solution of the two, but beer, once the yeast eats the sugars suspended in the wort, already released the bulk of the co2 byproduct during fermentation. Beer is undrinkable when finished fermenting as the co2 has been expelled, until co2 is reintroduced through forced carbonation or bottle conditioning. It’s even suggested when I make my washes for spirits to decarbonate any potential suspended co2. I don’t and it’s more delicious than any store bought… By miles.

I crank my 5 gallon corny kegs up to 30 psi co2 for 36 hours then attach the beer gas nitro tank at 30 psi for serving. Regular co2 faucet has serving pressure around 8-12 psi depending on the style.
I custom made a two faucet system so my ten gallon batches are served both standard co2 and nitro. I like options

Honest liberty
August 24, 2018 12:52 pm

I’d rather send him some homemade shine than give anything to British currency. I didn’t see a way to donate in dollars. I’d actually gladly spend more money on shipping to deliver some of this fine, clean sippin’ than give that foul, anti-Western, anti-white nation any support in any manner.

Josh, if you read this send me a message I’ll gladly send you something that has taken much effort and time, and is far more valuable than the ten bucks I was about to donate.
I’d wager you never sipped something so fine and dandy

David Chandler
Reply to  Honest liberty
August 25, 2018 1:46 am

It’s only the elites and commies that are anti white and anti western,just like a lot of your Democrats.Most ordinary Brits don’t agree with them.

Editor
August 24, 2018 1:01 pm

Since the Haber-Bosch process feeds half the world by making synthetic fertilizer out of natural gas… half of all environmentalists would need to stop eating.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  David Middleton
August 24, 2018 1:28 pm

David: I remember reading online that guano (bird droppings) were mined from South Pacific islands (and probably elsewhere) back in the 19th century for agricultural fertilizer. You can look at these islands today on Google Earth and see the still-disturbed island surfaces from the 19th century mining. Jarvis Island is one of them.

I imagine the guano mining industry died out sometime later when we figured out how to get agricultural fertilizers from natural gas. The anti-fossil fuel activists are free to go back to guano mining or using animal dung for their fertilizer if they feel natural gas and other fossil fuels are so horribly evil. They will have to mine the guano by hand of course.

David, I always enjoy reading your posts here at WUWT. Keep up the great work.

brians356
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 24, 2018 2:36 pm

Caribbean islands as well. The Bond novel Dr. No is set in Jamaica. The antagonist’s nefarious private island was ostensibly a guano mining operation. Use it.

August 24, 2018 1:19 pm

BUT it IS OK to use geologically stored solar energy (aka fossil fuels) as the “training wheels” of energy to get our economies going, help impoverished countries develop, and create the technologies needed to provide sustainable fuel for 1000 years!

Peta of Newark
August 24, 2018 1:35 pm

In latest news, restaurants and eateries all over Brooklyn and Washington are being taken by storm by the latest food craze. The New York Guardian correspondent briefly stopped wringing her hands in order to sample this new dietary delight, as endorsed by global celebrities such as film star & world-wide jet-setter ‘Lenrandio from Somewhere Crappio’

Seemingly a NASA discovery brought on by the effects of Global Climate Change even in outer space. The effect of Outer Space Climate Change was quite unexpected AND unprecedented – it effected to overwhelm NASA’s newest satellite coolant system based upon Advanced Super Coolant technology known as “Probably Pee”
Probably just a coincidence but, engineers from Microsoft Windows 10 Office spellchecker department are currently on ‘extended leave’

The overall result was that the satellite, NASA codename “OMGWTFnow” endured a serious attitude deficiency as it flew over farmers’ fields in North-East Cumbria, England.

It was not reduced to a complete mash as it returned to Terra Firma with great velocity, it alighted upon a small pile of an organic substance happening to be in the farmer’s field.
Just before it reached its final tipping point to became extinct, the satellite’s sensors detected that the substance was in fact organic in nature, contained some water, was high in nutritious fibre with a distinct & refreshing aroma.

The data were fed into Bonkersley University of Excellence’s latest supercomputer, Big William the 97th, which concluded that, as an all-time first, things were actually better than first thought – the new substance would be perfect addition to the diets of discerning, health-conscious gastronomes & rich folks who ‘care’.

And so it became. Even small portions cause a feeling of extreme fullness followed by a strong & uncontrollable desire to spread it around everywhere.

Because a patent dispute immediately erupted, it is only currently known by the mysterious acronym “Bee Ess” and no more details are available.

A shady corporation based in a seaside mansion, known only as Algore inc, is claiming to have invented Bee Ess some years ago – using a process involving such high temperatures as can only be found near the centre of the Earth. Their spokesman was last seen on an elevator contraption, ignoring questions yet looking ‘quite full and well fed’
On what we can only speculate but Twitters have it that he does his own cooking.

The Cumbrian farmer whose field the unfortunate satellite landed in was unavailable for comment.
Some reports suggest he may have died.
Laughing.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 24, 2018 1:53 pm

spellcheckers eh
‘Some reports’ were actually fake
😀

Mike Bryant
August 24, 2018 1:42 pm

Every facet of first world life is enhanced by fossil fuels. In fact, the measure of life is time. And we have purchased time because fossil fuels have enriched and empowered us in ways too numerous to lay out in this short comment. Our life expectancies have over doubled because of fossil fuels. If you love life, you MUST love fossil fuels… until something better is available.

Crispin in Waterloo
August 24, 2018 1:49 pm

Giving up medicine, heating, clothing, fertilisers, pest control and eating only natural foods has me feeling …green.

Coeur de Lion
August 24, 2018 1:59 pm

The Synod of the Church of England has voted to divest from fossil fuel companies unless they conform to the Paris Agreement. Don’t care about poverty and lung disease- the stupid, ignorant, stupid, badly informed, stupid, unscientific, stupid prelates mired in their pointless virtue signaling.

saveenergy
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
August 24, 2018 2:24 pm

They believe god will provide….& she has,
they have chosen not to use it

BillP
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
August 24, 2018 2:58 pm

I am not aware of anything in the Paris Agreement saying what oil companies should do, the actions are all on governments. So all oil companies are complying with the agreement no matter what they do.

MarkW
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
August 24, 2018 3:37 pm

Sadly, most of the mainline religious organizations have stopped caring about the Gospel and are more interested in spreading Marxism instead.

Richard Patton
Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2018 5:05 pm

That’s because they rejected the Gospel to begin with. Many of them suspect that God had nothing to do with the Bible. Someone said once “if you don’t believe in God you will believe in anything.” That seems to describe the CAGW community.

Barbara
August 24, 2018 2:22 pm

Done! (after looking up the pounds the dollars conversion so I knew how much I was actually donating.)

manalive
August 24, 2018 2:33 pm

According to Wiki 78% of the Irish (Republic) identify as Catholic (down from 84% in 2011), so I guess their government is simply following the dictates of Pope Francis.

August 24, 2018 2:37 pm

Are they going to give up all products made from Fossil Fuel products? Please let that happen.

Reply to  UzUrBrain
August 24, 2018 7:27 pm

Only the ones that are burned or in any way produce CO2.

manalive
August 24, 2018 2:40 pm

“Good luck with that, Ireland …”.
Indeed, good luck with solar energy in Ireland.

bill mckibben
August 24, 2018 3:03 pm

Pretty hilarious

NW Sage
August 24, 2018 4:53 pm

Loincloths made of cotton? Not likely, last I heard, without fossil fuel, cotton would have to be picked by slaves. Last time we tried that it didn’t work out so well!

Reply to  NW Sage
August 24, 2018 7:26 pm

No, cotton was picked by many different groups. My mother (who was white as they come) grew up picking cotton.

Ve2
August 24, 2018 6:36 pm

Lets hope the loincloth is made of cotton, eh?
Let’s hope it doesn’t fall off.

August 24, 2018 7:25 pm

So does this mean that fossil fuel companies cannot get wind and solar subsidies/tax breaks? After all, that’s supporting fossil fuels and they often use the money to further invest in their fossil fuel activities.

John F. Hultquist
August 24, 2018 9:00 pm

Sometimes a company will buy its own stock.
There are reasons for this; look them up.
Via mutual funds, we own stock it many companies, including FF companies.
Our funds benefit.
Thanks to Weepy Bill.

jon
August 24, 2018 10:29 pm

Since the list of so-called “subsidies” for fossil fuel companies included roads, I do hope these people will not be on the roads anymore.
Or are they simply hypocrites?

Coeur de Lion
August 25, 2018 1:44 am

The point about my earlier post on the Synod of the Church of England’s disinvestment is that the stupid stupid stupid prelates seem not to realise it’s the same consumer that makes for global warming (if any) not the producer. Walk bare foot back to your palace, Bishop.

Peter O Donovan
August 25, 2018 2:49 am

Hi
What a joke, the Irish State is a net borrower and similar in outlook and policy to the tax and spend Democrat Party in the US. More token gestures from politicians with very inflated egos. Reality however has a habit of busting in, just ask Malcolm Turnbull in Oz.Regards Peter

Julie near Chicago
August 25, 2018 1:52 pm

Thanks for the many hilarious cartoons, Josh. PayPal assures me that you will see a slight improvement to the heft of your wallet.

Naturally, I assume that no fossil fuels were disturbed anywhere in the chain of manmade products culminating in the sending of electrical signals from Near Chicago to the Sceptred Isles. :>)

. . .

Anthony. In the past I have happily flung funds to you, via PayPal. I very much enjoyed the wittiness of the understated request for donations:

Shameless Plug
Donations accepted: fling funds

above the Donate button. Please, please restore this in place of the characterless”Support our work” over the “PayPal Donate Now” button. …I might even be moved to fling more funds. :>)

And thanks again to you for this great site.

Jeff Mitchell
August 27, 2018 10:47 pm

I’ve always wondered what the point of divestment is. You sell your stake in whatever evil thing is currently fashionable. And this accomplishes what? Somebody else owning it doesn’t change anything. What am I missing?

The only value I see is virtue signaling.

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