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Joe Bastardi writes on Twitter:

Interesting meeting tonight with We disagree on what drives the climate, but enjoyable exchanging ideas with someone who loves what he does as much as I love what I do.We live in same town so everyone can breathe easy now.Central Pa is still intact ha ha

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August 24, 2018 2:39 pm

Caption: Joe Bastardi invents the Shrimp Manhattan.

Reply to  pochas94
August 24, 2018 7:11 pm

Mikey Mann tries to elevate himself with a butt thrust. Joe stays calm and centered.

Bastardi scores take-down with flick of the wrist, as MMann is off-center. 2-zero Joe.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  GeologyJim
August 25, 2018 4:14 pm

Mike is yelling ” I work for Penn State, where he was a champion wrestler!”
(Is that a Mickey mouse watch?)

Chris Morrison
Reply to  pochas94
August 25, 2018 2:47 am

Great craft beer pub Joe. How about starting with two glasses of Nobel Old Peculiar.

Bryan A
Reply to  Chris Morrison
August 25, 2018 11:23 am

Michael Mann: Damn I need to prove this shrimp salad is getting warmer due to climate change, where did Thomas Karl go?

Reply to  Bryan A
August 25, 2018 2:04 pm

Perhaps the same way as his computer. Remember it self destructed before the data and algorithim could be used to replicate his results. We will never know just how he did it.

Reply to  TedM
August 25, 2018 2:04 pm

But we will believe him anyway.

Pablo an ex Pat
August 24, 2018 2:41 pm

If you check the piece of wood immediately under my elbow you will find that it supports not only my elbow but also my conclusions.

Reply to  Pablo an ex Pat
August 24, 2018 3:05 pm

Interesting …

What passes for wood these days is often is a picture of wood over a centre core of high density fibre board then coated with clear protective plastic. So, your tree rings can be made to order. Hmmm …

michael hart
Reply to  commieBob
August 24, 2018 5:50 pm

That might explain the peculiar lump on top of his head.

R Shearer
Reply to  Pablo an ex Pat
August 25, 2018 6:31 am

“That’s not a Nobel prize in my pocket.”

Jimmy Haigh
August 24, 2018 2:50 pm

MM: “I’ve had enough beer. I get drunk very quickly.”…

August 24, 2018 2:51 pm

MM: “My two bodyguards were wrestlers at PSU.”
JB: “I know; I coached them.”

August 24, 2018 2:52 pm

Leftist meets skeptic to leech of skeptic’s hard earned money to bankrupt skeptics.

Bob Hutchison
August 24, 2018 2:53 pm

Michael Mann plots a “random” distribution of shrimp that will mysteriously benefit him.

August 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Pick who loves the camera

Reply to  yarpos
August 24, 2018 3:20 pm

Two faces made for radio, or ‘journalism’.

Mark of OK
August 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Mann: Let me give you some old fashioned climate gas that will surely concern you.

Reply to  Mark of OK
August 24, 2018 3:07 pm

Mark. That’s a ripper!

August 24, 2018 2:57 pm

For whatever reason Gilbert and Sullivan come to mind:



Pirates of Penzance

It is a mark of civilization that one can share a beer or three with folks with whom one disagrees. It’s a habit that we should relearn. link

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  commieBob
August 24, 2018 3:09 pm

Sure. Thump Mann about the head and shoulders with a blunt object, then we’ll take him for a beer. Sorry, that boy just gets my Irish up.

Reply to  commieBob
August 24, 2018 5:57 pm


Happy to share a beer with an alarmist anytime. I suspect I would have few agree to join me.

Reply to  HotScot
August 25, 2018 12:29 am

Got ur 6.

Reply to  HotScot
August 25, 2018 10:05 am

Expect to pay – that’s how they roll.

Reply to  peyelut
August 25, 2018 4:47 pm


I’m a Scot. Short arms, long pockets.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  commieBob
August 25, 2018 2:02 am

When sung ‘A policeman’s lot is not a happy one,
is sung as ‘A policeman’s lot is not an nappy one’
To explain the double entendre, police don’t change nappies.
G@ S was a satire.
What they may discuss, though, is what each think the atmospheric sensitivity is to a doubling of CO2, and see if their confidence limits, error bars, overlap.

Pamela Gray
Reply to  commieBob
August 25, 2018 10:19 am

A meeting with MM requires you bring a standard (not new standard) primary/intermediate set of textbooks in case he needs to look something up.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pamela Gray
August 25, 2018 6:37 pm

That still won’t help against Joe’s weather history knowledge. Show him weather and he’ll show you when it has previously occurred (and what teams were playing during that weather).
Joe should be the presidential advisor on climate, that egghead minus the goatee should be censured by honest science.

August 24, 2018 3:01 pm

I like it! I admire and respect Joe B., and I neither admire nor respect MM… though I only know his public persona. I expect if he were my neighbor, we could find some common ground… dunno.
But anyone that will sit down and have a beer with someone, ex oficio, with whom they disagree is a good guy.

Reply to  MarkY
August 25, 2018 11:11 am

But you may lose you part or all of the common ground as Dr Mann keeps moving the goal line?

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Bill
August 25, 2018 4:54 pm

MM keeps moving the fence line?

William Schroeder
August 24, 2018 3:03 pm

Who picked up the check?

Gunga Din
Reply to  William Schroeder
August 24, 2018 3:13 pm

That looks like it might be an “American Express” card in front of Mann so I’d guess Soros. 😎

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 24, 2018 4:35 pm

If that’s Manns Amex then it must have been the taxpayer!

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 24, 2018 7:01 pm

Gunga Din, no myself I don’t think it is a credit card. size is wrong, shadows under it -not there. More like a mini menu. Note the drink glasses.
Behind Mann’s arm is a glass with possibly a micro brew. With the way he is out of the seat it is as if he is trying to block it from view. Tsk the reflection of the glass is quit clear.
And yes I am probably reading to much in the picture, he can’t be that paranoid and deceitful


John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
August 24, 2018 8:47 pm

I’ll guess there were at least 2 others there.
They got out of the way. Also took the photo.
Note the glass of red wine.
If Joe’s working on both of those: Way to go!

Reply to  Mike the Morlock
August 25, 2018 7:57 am

Hiding the decline (of my sobriety).

Reply to  Gunga Din
August 24, 2018 7:05 pm

You win the internet today.

Reply to  William Schroeder
August 24, 2018 3:15 pm

Big Oil obviously /sarc

Hot under the collar
Reply to  William Schroeder
August 24, 2018 4:41 pm

“Alarmist and skeptic forced to shelter from weather together; because climate change”.

August 24, 2018 3:05 pm

One of these men knew Jerry Sandusky (and all his little friends) … very well.

Gunga Din
August 24, 2018 3:05 pm

Nice to know they had a pleasant exchange.

“What happened after Mann said to Joe, “Pull my finger.”

August 24, 2018 3:07 pm

I found this to be rather positive when it popped up on my Twitter feed. Two men from opposing sides meeting as though it were the most natural thing in the world to do. Respect both, I say. let’s hope it portends better, less divisive times

August 24, 2018 3:11 pm

Are you trying to make shrimp disappear faster? People in the future will not know what shrimp tastes like because of climate change …

Scott Manhart
August 24, 2018 3:14 pm

Different opinions do not need to create enemies

Reply to  Scott Manhart
August 24, 2018 3:32 pm

I have no problem with people having different opinions.
It’s when they believe that their “opinion” gives them the right to run other people’s lives and take their stuff. Then I have a problem.

Reply to  MarkW
August 24, 2018 5:59 pm



Reply to  Scott Manhart
August 24, 2018 4:13 pm

cannibal rights! parasitizing your own species is an just an alternative metaphysics.
he just has a different opinion about what to do with MY stuff.
re-enacting dan pearl’s last meal?

Reply to  Scott Manhart
August 25, 2018 10:01 am

Those who would be the least tolerant of different ideas are the least secure about their own.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Scott Manhart
August 25, 2018 7:03 pm

Anthony’s relationship with Bill McKibben comes to my mind, they can agree to disagree as many of my acquaintances and I do also.
I cut them slack as they are personalities who seek indoctrination to maintain self-esteem. Offering an alternative to the popular truism tends to frighten them with cognitive dissonance, plus the prospect of taking an unpopular viewpoint in their social circles. They simply tune out any common sense approach.

August 24, 2018 3:20 pm

“What is it again that you live doing? I’m into science”

James K Atkinson
August 24, 2018 3:32 pm

Mikey can’t get pizza because climate change got the cheese and meat

Will davis
August 24, 2018 3:41 pm

Mann : Water into wine! It does not ring true to me.

John Garrett
August 24, 2018 3:54 pm

Is today April 1st?

Johann Von Puyallup
August 24, 2018 3:56 pm

“Look, we’re so old we don’t need ‘safe spaces!'” “Our grandparent’s didn’t even know what ‘snowflakes’ were!”

August 24, 2018 3:57 pm

“And I’ll have the Tree Ring Circus , with shrimp and a weatherman on the side”

August 24, 2018 3:58 pm

Looks like Joe is taking advantage of the fact that Michael is buying 🙂

Johann Von Puyallup
August 24, 2018 4:03 pm

MM: How can this perma-bull-on-winter be correct on forecasts in our age of unprecedented AGW?!
JB: Enjoy the food and company, it’s the only food and company you’ve got!

Lil Fella of Aus
August 24, 2018 4:04 pm

Caption: two peas in a pod.

David Lilley
August 24, 2018 4:16 pm

JB: I asked for data, not a date.

Reply to  David Lilley
August 24, 2018 4:33 pm

heck of an ad for grindr.

August 24, 2018 4:18 pm

Old Vulcan proverbs…

Only Nixon could go to China.
Only Trump could meet with the Nork Human Chia Pet.
Only Anthony Watts could have lunch with Bill McKibben.
And only Big Joe Bastardi could make Mann-made global warming smile.


August 24, 2018 4:21 pm

Mann: Lean in Joe, lean in!
Bastardi: OK. (Aside: Why are we leaning in?)
Mann: We’re trying to hide the recline!

August 24, 2018 4:24 pm

MM: I’m drinking you under the table you skeptic lightweight!

JB: You got me Mike – you’re way ahead on top-of head albedo too!

Transport by Zeppelin
August 24, 2018 4:25 pm

Is Joe Bastardi lacking friends?

August 24, 2018 4:26 pm

I’m in Philly this evening on business. Where are they – maybe we can crash the party?

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  philsalmon
August 24, 2018 8:53 pm

Not in Philly.
Try State College or one of the several nearby named places.
Park Forest Village, Houserville, Boalsburg, Ramblewood, . . .

August 24, 2018 4:31 pm

Dracula on right, Renfield on left.

August 24, 2018 4:40 pm

One’s a man called “Bastardi”; and the other . . . (isn’t)

August 24, 2018 4:48 pm

Mann leaning in to adjust the height data, so that he looks taller than an Italian.

SSG Guido Incognito, Jr.

Johnny Cuyana
August 24, 2018 5:34 pm

CAPTION: Wow! When did they get pole dancing in here?!

Get it? “Pole” dancing? Did you get it?

[Sorry. I’ll let myself out.]

Jeff Alberts
August 24, 2018 5:34 pm

“Darnit! Joe, I forgot my wallet!”

August 24, 2018 5:45 pm

Mann and Bastardi at the opening of the world’s first CAGW Cafe. Mann is enjoying a self-carbonating soda, while Bastardi is looking forward to the cafe’s signature dish: shellless shrimps.

Louis Hooffstetter
August 24, 2018 5:46 pm


August 24, 2018 5:59 pm

“Hang on, let me adjust a little here … so’s … I can … let out another one of my brilliant scientific facts.”

August 24, 2018 6:04 pm

Mann’s about to do a runner and leave Joe with the cheque…….and the mutant alien spider crawling out the glass.

No doubt there will be a story in the guardian next week about the proof of climate change being mutant alien spider invasions.

Reply to  HotScot
August 24, 2018 6:20 pm

Ah! forgot the caption competition.

guardian exclusive!:

“Mutant Alien spider escapes. Leaves brother in glass!”

Jim Clarke
August 24, 2018 6:42 pm

A bottle of red. A bottle of white.
We put the shrimp next to the one that’s right.
There was a climate of detente,
At our Italian Restaurant.

(Thought Joe might like the musical reference.)

steven mosher
August 24, 2018 6:47 pm

Joe and mike finally see eye to eye.
increased c02 leads to a greening planet and
balding skull.

August 24, 2018 7:02 pm

Does a fart that lifts you out of your seat contribute to climate change?

August 24, 2018 7:03 pm

“enjoyable exchanging ideas with someone who loves what he does as much as I love what I do.”

There is no nice way to interpret that quote…

Reply to  Craig
August 25, 2018 10:26 am

Damning with faint praise.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Craig
August 25, 2018 10:29 am

In Mann’s case, “Love is a many splintered thing…”

Reply to  Craig
August 27, 2018 3:46 am

Gee, MM doesn’t eat babies after all.

August 24, 2018 7:04 pm

“Joe, do you think we could get baked alaska?”

Fred souder
August 24, 2018 7:17 pm

The Muscle Man and the Hustle Mann

August 24, 2018 7:32 pm

CAPTION: …keep Your Enemies Closer

Ashok Patel
August 24, 2018 8:07 pm

Blow Hot.. Blow Cold !

R. Shearer
August 24, 2018 8:10 pm

“Sorry I can’t sit, Joe. There’s a hemorrhoid on my ass that’s as big as my ego.”

Walter Sobchak
August 24, 2018 8:12 pm

Old Spanish Proverb: Quien con perros se echa, con pulgas se levanta.
(If you lie down with dogs, you will rise up with fleas.)

Knock Out
August 24, 2018 8:32 pm

Fiction and Fact

John F. Hultquist
August 24, 2018 8:41 pm

Shave? !
“We don’t need no stinking shaves.”

Lance of BC
August 24, 2018 9:33 pm

” creepy…………”

August 25, 2018 12:13 am

Piltdown Mann can actualy sit?

August 25, 2018 1:22 am

“Mann’s head is so far up his arse he can’t sit down properly”

David A Smith
August 25, 2018 2:54 am

Mann – “What a beautiful mirror”

Bastardi – “I’m not seeing it.”

Chris Morrison
August 25, 2018 2:59 am

OK Joe, time to eat.

Something from all the hot and cold courses I think, except the medieval cooling selection – not sure what all that is about.

August 25, 2018 3:35 am

Joe, this seat needs to be adjusted

Gary Ashe
August 25, 2018 3:37 am

Chalk and mouldy cheese.

Fat man and Robin.

Dr. Strangelove
August 25, 2018 4:43 am

MM: Dumb denierr!!
JB: Bald liar!!
Photographer: Look here for a second and pretend you’re having fun

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Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
August 25, 2018 6:25 am

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my precious

Reply to  gnomish
August 25, 2018 4:53 pm



August 25, 2018 4:58 am

Caption this photo? I dare not!

The words that keep leaping onto the page are:

“Bastardi and Bastard”

And proper etiquette keeps me trying to delete them.

Out, damn’d spot! out, I say!

To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them.

Nigel Sherratt
August 25, 2018 5:46 am

You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

Reply to  Nigel Sherratt
August 25, 2018 6:18 am

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isaiah 11:6

Reply to  MichaelJ
August 25, 2018 6:25 am

This would be somewhat of a paraphrase of the verse, “and the conservative shall eat with the socialist”

Nigel Sherratt
Reply to  MichaelJ
August 25, 2018 11:43 am

Good choice, one of my favorite passages. I was thinking of MM hoist on his own petard (French péter, to fart).

John Dowser
August 25, 2018 6:16 am

What started as a friendly drink ended rapidly when a camera and potential audiences came in sight causing Michael’s internalized h̶o̶c̶k̶e̶y̶s̶t̶i̶c̶k̶ bottom sensor predicting another pending hot air release. General discomfort followed.

August 25, 2018 6:40 am

Caption: Michael Mann asks: “Joe, you have this, right?”

Another caption: Michael Mann, asks while puzzled: “What is this — we have to pay for this meal?”

August 25, 2018 7:52 am

Hide the recline!

Tom Judd
August 25, 2018 8:18 am

Make love to the camera Mike; make love to the camera!

Jeff Alberts
August 25, 2018 8:49 am

Hmm, Mann wears his watch on his right wrist. That’s telling.

August 25, 2018 10:03 am

Caption: Real Men drink wine, others try to dominate frame center.

August 25, 2018 10:15 am

If Mann is finally becoming civilized….

Gunga Din
August 25, 2018 10:31 am

The Emperor attempts to turn Joe to the “Dark Side”.

August 25, 2018 10:40 am

“Woah, that’s some good stuff. Coulda sworn for a minute I was sitting down to eat with some climate deenyah.”
“Woah, that’s some good stuff. Could sworn for a minute Michael Mann was picking up my tab.”

Mike S
August 25, 2018 10:46 am

I’d love to see those two in one of those public library “READ” posters, with a copy of “Earth in the Balance” in front of Bastardi and “The Great Global Warming Swindle” in front of Mann, and them giving each other’s reading material disbelieving looks.

August 25, 2018 10:59 am

Caption: Michael Mann in his Hockey Stick position!

August 25, 2018 11:41 am

Observe the rays of light radiating from between the two heads as they are forced to meet. This betrays the incipient energy release of a mutual annihilation event.

Alan Kendall
Reply to  Scute
August 26, 2018 12:01 am

Who’s albedo is biggest?

Mickey Reno
August 25, 2018 11:45 am

… to the tune of that 60s rock song “Dragging’ the Line” with me dancing around out in the woods and then a singing pine tree comes in and in perfect harmony sings “hide the decline” (hide the decline). It’s hilarious. I love that video…

Pat Frank
August 25, 2018 12:24 pm

Snake meets mongoose.

August 25, 2018 2:28 pm

MM trying to hire Joe the Wrestler to “talk to” the Judge releasing his emails…

August 25, 2018 3:27 pm

Caption: You’re right! It looks like a camera.

Pop Piasa
August 25, 2018 3:49 pm

I wonder if Dr Mann mentioned the comparative degrees of their educations and his view that Bastardi is not qualified to debate him.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Pop Piasa
August 26, 2018 1:14 pm

Mann may have thought it but Joe said it was a pleasant exchange so I doubt he mentioned it.
My guess is they talked about the “weather” and not so much about how Mann (et al) has changed the “climate”.

Ken Andrews
August 25, 2018 4:25 pm

Sleeping with the enemy

Ken Andrews
August 25, 2018 4:25 pm

Sleeping with the enemy!

August 26, 2018 5:40 am

Truth revealed! Mann CAN’T sit down for discussion with a skeptic as something is wrong with his arse! Has it been reamed? Wood splinters? Red? Covered? Internal investigation needed?

August 26, 2018 6:27 am

I’d love to see them in a wrestling match.

William Wilson
August 28, 2018 4:37 pm

Notice that the ice in Mann’s glass has NOT melted.

Mary Brown
August 28, 2018 7:28 pm

Bastardi is a 6th floor kind of guy. Mike Mann is a 4th floor type. That speaks volumes to those of us who inhabited Walker Bldg.

Dave Miller
August 30, 2018 10:37 am

Just turn your head like this; then you can see the temperature increasing….

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