Guest ridicule by David Middleton
From “The Stupid, It Burns” files…
Mayor issues directive on climate change
The Commission says the city should plan for 3-feet of sea level rise by the mid (mid-what?)
By: Nikki Schenfeld
Posted: Jul 16, 2018HONOLULU (KHON2) – The City of Honolulu’s Climate Change Commission presented the “Sea Level Rise Guidance and Climate Change Brief” to Mayor Kirk Caldwell on July 16, prompting him to sign a directive requiring all departments and agencies under his jurisdiction, to take action to prevent sea level rise.
The Commission says the city should plan for 3-feet of sea level rise by the mid-century and if action isn’t taken now, nearly 4,000 structures on Oahu would be flooded, and nearly 18 miles of coastal roads would become impassable.
“The sea is rising, we see it all around our island, everyday everyone in this room, when you go to the beach everyone sees the erosion,” Mayor Caldwell said.
“If you take no action and we live with the consequences, then what happens to Waikiki?” he added. “Our largest industry $15 billion in revenue—what happens? If we don’t take action now we’ll have worse consequences later.”
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“The Commission says the city should plan for 3-feet of sea level rise by the mid-century”… I guess, in all fairness, they didn’t say which century…
1.48 mm/yr = 0.058 in/yr —> 3 ft in 618 years. 2636 is mid-century-ish… Mid 27th century.
Yep. Pretty funny.
Or very stupid: “The sea is rising, we see it all around our island, everyday everyone in this room, when you go to the beach everyone sees the erosion,” Mayor Caldwell said.
I thought beach erosion was caused by tides and crashing waves. Beach erosion is going to happen even if sea levels recede.
No erosion… no beaches.
David Middleton
No erosion… no $15 billion beaches.
Say, could this fellow do something about the rising levels of Lake Michigan?
I know it’s those wankers up in the north of us opening the flood gates so that Lake Superior waters flow into Lake Michigan and Lake Huron, but we’re getting wetlands flooded (don’t get me started!) and the beaches are supposedly eroding.
But would all those tourist not make the island tip over.
https://youtu.be/cesSRfXqS1Q
Yes – Skeptical Science repeatly warns of the 3 foot sea level rise by the end of the century – their projections should be taken seriously – since they only allow scientific studys which have been peer reviewed on their site.
sarc
And 80 years in the future.
I hope that the peer review included a thorough pier review.
“That’s a joke, son.”
As Senator Claghorn used to say.
Bob Hoye
when none who have made this claim will be aound to be asked why they got it so wrong , lucky that !
We’ll see if they stand by their prognostications when we ready their tombstones and make it their epitaph.
The mayor should petition the federal gov’t to provide 5gal Homer Buckets (from Home Depot) to the various agencies and the people of Honolulu to start bailing now and avoid the impending disaster.
Alternatively, a far less expensive and time consuming effort would be the use of the data modifications the climate agencies have mastered to make the past cooler, and apply these methods to make the sea lower.
Perhaps they already have which is why temperatures are rising faster than evah and sea level rise is increasing faster than evah
Same AlGorythm
I think the only way bucket bailing will work is if they are carried to the North end of the island before emptying back into the ocean.
Mike you are so wrong, everyone knows that water needs to be dumped into a different ocean…geez 🙂
“…if they are carried to the North end of the island” Uh, that’s just plain foolishness. It would only move the problem to the North end of the island, smh
Just dig a deep hole and dump it in..
michael
My eight-year old seems to think that should work when he’s at the beach.
Mike
Water runs downhill, that wouldn’t work.
Silly Billy.
If you apply the Leidenfrost effect to the projected rising sea levels, water will run uphill like it’s supposed to and that will solve the problem.
Well really, just get a big pump, pump the extra water into the volcano. Preso the heat will evaporate all that water and the problem is solved. Fortunately this is the one state other than Iceland that may have enough volcanoes.
Oahu’s volcanoes are extinct, but Diamond Head could hold some water.
Thei’re sitting on the ring of fire.
http://www.scotese.com/images/014.jpg
Their ancestors knew to cope with.
In 21.ctry the Mayor has problems. So there’s a lack of leadership qualities.
Uh, isn’t Hawaii near the middle of the Pacific? The ring of fire goes around the edge of the Pacific.
The Hawaiian islands sit over a large magma plume in the mantle. As the Pacific plate drifts in a roughly west-northwest direction, eruptions from the plume form undersea volcanoes and ultimately volcanic islands. Eventually, Mauna Loa will go extinct as the Big Island moves off the magma plume, and a new Hawaiian island will start forming southeast of it.
But then we wont have daily reports of CO2 levels in the atmosphere. How will the alarmists keep up the meme without real data? Oh I forgot; they have computer climate models to spit out reanalysis computer CO2 levels.
It’s ok, climate scientists have it covered! They will just make it up.
rakman, you are right. Hawaii is NOT on the “ring of fire”. It’s on an isolated magma plume.
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Man, do I evah lavah that that! Thanks.
Great, now I’ve got Johnny Cash in my head.
Well, on the plus side, at least these are rock islands instead of coral ones, so the fear is legitimate. The coral sand will keep the beaches filled, but the rest of the island will not keep up with the rising tides.
David Middleton
I had a delicious Indian Curry tonight. Please don’t spoil it by reminding me of the resulting discomfort tomorrow.
BTW. Table tennis (Ping Pong) was invented by British Army officers during the Raj, batting champagne corks across a dining table with the bottles the corks came from.
I hope I have contributed just a small fraction of what I have learned from WUWT.
🙂
Speaking of Hawaii. They just had a 5.3 quake 90 minutes ago which registered as a 9 on the shakemap. There is only one level higher than that. …https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22autoUpdate%22%3A%5B%22autoUpdate%22%5D%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22satellite%22%2C%22feed%22%3A%221day_m25%22%2C%22listFormat%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%5B%5B-83.02621885344846%2C-34.80468749999999%5D%2C%5B83.02621885344846%2C436.9921875%5D%5D%2C%22overlays%22%3A%5B%22plates%22%5D%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3A%5B%22restrictListToMap%22%5D%2C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22timezone%22%3A%22utc%22%2C%22viewModes%22%3A%5B%22list%22%2C%22map%22%5D%2C%22event%22%3A%22hv70440367%22%7D
It just showed 2.7, which is about like a heavy truck going by your house.
I think the real problem is identified by Dorian below.
They have been having 500-700 shakes a day, Mag 1.5 or greater for weeks now. I can’t imagine it is at all comfortable to have the ground constantly moving.
Nifty site, thanks for the link!
However, Honolulu is over 200 miles from the epicenter. Hawaiian earthquakes (including this one) tend to be on the Big Island, which has an active volcano. Honolulu is on Oahu, which is tectonically stable. The volcanoes on Oahu are believed to have been inactive for over a million years.
http://sealevel.info/2018-07-18_5.3_HI_quake_map.png
I was speaking of Hawaii in a general term which would have been better stated as “in the Hawaiian Islands, or better yet at the volcano. I have heard from islanders that the quakes are only felt within a close range to the volcano itself. Still a 9 on the shakemap is an attention getter.
Why doesn’t he issue a directive to stop volcanos erupting.
Volcano spews CO2 and water … unacceptable!
The current eruption in Kilauea’s LERZ has destroyed over 700 homes a school, and over 23 square km of land. However, this is all over 200 miles from Honolulu, so not very relevant to his job.
But, but with all this lava spewing out from everywhere, doesn’t that mean the main island get bigger and higher?
Anybody ever noticed the line of surface islands and subsurface sea mounts from just east of the Kamchatka peninsula all the way to the Hawaiian islands?
There’s no stupid about it, it’s a money grab, plain and simple. Give us money so we can fight the chimera.
The opportunism! It burns!
I suppose this mayor will some time soon blame climate change for the perils of Fissure 8.
One mayor, has already lost one of his homes to the lava flow; I think these mayors need to really focus on more immediate real threats like Fissure 8. As for Honolulu, if the Big Island gets washed out with lava, they will have a huge economic problem of relocating tens of thousands of people.
There’s a bigger chance that Fissure 8, if it keeps pouring lava at its present rate, will blanket every square meter of land all the way up to Hilo, than the islands facing 3 ft of water rising. Notice how blockages are starting to develop in its channels and is changing course of the lava. One serious blockage on the main channel (if you look at the photos the channel walls are starting to get awfully thin in places) and that lava will head north, straight to Hilo.
In fact, thanks to Fissure 8, it has made the island even bigger, there’s no sign there that the island looks anything like sinking! If anything, these islands are growing and raising out of the sea, not going under it.
By mid-century (that is, 2050), my money is on Fissure 8 in re-educating Hawai’i’s politicians about the real causes of not just climate change, but also land-use change. Fissure 8 to do more damage to Hawai’i than any climate nonsense for years to come!
Lava from the Kilauea volcano has added nearly 700 acres to Hawaii’s Big Island
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kilauea-volcano-hawaii-lava-reforming-big-island-coastline/
So, does that mean the land is building up faster than the sea is rising? If so … problem solved. yes/no
No, the the new land displaces the water. Maybe they can put a cap on the volcano or build a lava retaining wall to keep it from reaching the sea. LOL
old construction worker
Well, there’s our answer then.
Climate induced global sea level rise is now officially the fault of Hawaii’s Big Island and the Kilauea volcano.
We’re all told that the occasional ice cube melting in the Antarctic is the problem, but no one mentions the water displacement of the magma the centre of the planet vomits, especially from the 130 or so suspected sites under the Antarctic.
We’re sitting on a ball of molten rock, blasted from outer space by another molten rock, of course it’s CO2’s fault.
There’s a brand new baby island that has formed just off shore from the Big Island.
I would suggest appeasing the volcano gods to make more lava in the fight against sea level rise.
They could throw a few politicians in the crater instead of Virgins…. might work (dont know until you try).
Maybe a few climate denier climate scientists who slavishly believe in their climate models could be thrown in. Maybe that would appease the volcano Gods.
saveenergy
Of course throwing in politicians would work. They’re all as pure as driven snow…..aren’t they?
“Now and then an innocent man is sent to the legislature.” Kin Hubbard
In related news, the City of Honolulu’s Volcano Action Committee, has presented the, “Lava Rise and Volcano Action Directive” to Mayor Kirk Caldwell. Mayor Caldwell has ordered all city employees to take immediate steps to prevent volcanoes and the subsequent rise of molten lava. The Mayor said, “I don’t think many tourists will be on Waikiki Beach if Diamond Head is an active volcano and there are pools of magma all over the place. Everyone must do their best to prevent the loss of those tourist dollars.”
The one thing for sure that is rising in Honolulu is home prices. Zillow predicts a 9.4% increase in the next 12 months. As always, the marketplace is a better indicator of the future than the baseless predictions of politicians.
His Honor needs to start with all that lava first.
They can’t all go climate refugees.
They should leave a receptionist to receive tourists.
Is his first name Canute or is Knute?
Mayor Caldwell should have his throne relocated to the beach where he can command the tide to stop rising. He also realizes that his island will continue to erode and get smaller, just like the older islands to his Northwest. He should command that to stop so that his island will never change through all eternity.
Walter Sobchak
Canute’s objective was to demonstrate man’s futility in the face of natural events. He didn’t try to hold back the tide, he was showing people that even the most powerful man (in their existence) couldn’t do it. A better scientist than green scientists with all their computers.
Perhaps the Mayors first name is Cnut.
“The sea is rising, we see it all around our island, everyday everyone in this room, when you go to the beach everyone sees the erosion,” Mayor Caldwell said.
Even if he could stop sea level rise, that wouldn’t stop coastal erosion.
This statement shows a complete absence of knowledge about how the world works.
I’m going to guess that the mayor is too fracking stupid to realize that his beaches are the product of erosion.
Contact the mayor:
Office of the Mayor
Kirk Caldwell
530 South King Street, Room 300
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Phone: (808) 768-4141
Fax: (808) 768-5552
Tom in Florida
Is that an air conditioned building, perchance?
I’ve been going to the beaches in Southern California since 1960. I haven’t noticed any overall rise in the sea level, other than that it goes up and down with tides every day. I haven’t noticed any decline in the prices of beachfront properties either.
Ralph Dave Westfall
You obviously don’t have a computer with predictive capabilities when you go swimming.
Tsk. How remiss.
I’ll reconsider my travel plans there if they have such misplaced priorities and science understanding.
Okay is this an invite for some great real estate opportunities or will the climate scare evangelist carpetbaggers get it first?
Wups. Guam just had a 4.7 earthquake. Do you reckon this is the beginning of the sinking of the island into the Pacific? If so, how much of a difference in sea level do you reckon will result from the water displacement?
The Island is a drop in the ocean;-). Insignificant. Why would it sink, why not rise? Depends on how the sea floor it is sitting on moves, I would suggest. The tectonic plate will be going up and down 1 metre per day under diurnal gravitational tides (Yup, in the tectonic crust itself), BTW. Not a lot of people know that. I assume the sea moves in some harmony/synchronicity but don’t know.
M2 is about 380 mm not 1000 mm.
Isn’t it supposed to tip over?
Its probably just the first step in it tipping over.
IS THIS THE TIPPING POINT, THE DREADED TIPPING POINT? WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!
It’s the Tripping Point, the point where CAGW falls on it’s face
Looks like Hizzoner mistook 3″ for 3′. May be a personal problem.
“…we see it, all around…” Except in the actual, you know, “data”.
This must be one of the most powerful (or delusional) city councils on the planet. Perhaps they could also ban world conflict, hunger, cancer, infomercials, summer road work, robo-calls, diet fads, alcohol taxes, underwear that ride up, scalpers, reality TV, hummers, ex governors who drive hummers, climate models…. the list of what they could do to make the world a better place is endless.
We almost universally find that someone who is posturing about any or all of the above is studiously avoiding the local issues they actually have responsibilities for. (Edit>) C.F. San Francisco.
You forgot banning nukes. They need to ban nukes. And gluten.
Have heart. He is simply trying to keep the city government busy (apparently they don’t have enough to do). He even goes beyond Reagan’s advice how to keep the government busy on economy: If it moves, tax it; if it still moves, regulate it; if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Curious George
“If it moves, tax it; if it still moves, regulate it; if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
ROTFLMAO…….sorry for the ‘Facebook’ speak, but that comment seriously deserves an upvote, 100 if I could give them.
I don’t know if it’s yours, nor do I care. That’s up there with Churchill’s best witticisms.
It’s going into my little archive of funny but scary quotes.
Brilliant, thank you George.
…and Christmas fruitcake. Must ban Christmas fruitcakes.
They should mandate lift kits on all new vehicles. The standard should go up by 1″ per year. That way people have a chance to operate their vehicle for 10 or sop years and they don’t need to rebuild the roads.
Go Honolulu show them what you’ve got!
I imagine money is behind this, as the claims are so much science denial that anyone vaguely numerate can check, so the only way such a fraud can be perpetrated is to legalise it, as with renewable energy.
The World will end, someday, so you must pay to save it. No, there is no proof of my claims, nothing will happen while anyone proposing this nonsense is in office or even still alive. and the facts say something else. But facts are wrong and mine are the only true prophets. Trust in me. What do the people think of this? Are they really SO stupid to believe it. I can’t think why such a denial of the very accessible facts to the general public facts can be credible at even the most basic level, unless the media temslves are incompetent in their reporting, and simply encourage the irresponsible sensationalism. Not only is the Sky not falling, the oceans are barely rising at all, and will fall 100 metres soonish.
As a result of sitting on the ring of fire, I believe they are the only state in the Union that is growing in area.
If they use Climate Science methodologies, they should be able to prove that they will soon (but not in our lifetime) become he largest continent on the planet.
Well, so much for the line about real estate:
“They are not making any more of it.”
That part of the island is growing.
Bob Hoye
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