Scott Pruitt out at EPA

From the President, just a few minutes ago.

Of course the left is having a field day, HuffPo writes:

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt’s controversial tenure ended amid a whirlwind of ethics scandals and at least 18 federal investigations.

Full text of his resignation letter:

Mr. President, it has been an honor to serve you in the Cabinet as Administrator of the EPA. Truly, your confidence in me has blessed me personally and enabled me to advance your agenda beyond what anyone anticipated at the beginning of your Administration. Your courage, steadfastness and resolute commitment to get results for the American people, both with regard to improved environmental outcomes as well as historical regulatory reform, is in fact occurring at an unprecedented pace and I thank you for the opportunity to serve you and the American people in helping achieve those ends.

That is why it is hard for me to advise you I am stepping down as Administrator of the EPA effective as of July 6. It is extremely difficult for me to cease serving you in this role first because I count it a blessing to be serving you in any capacity, but also, because of the transformative work that is occurring. However, the unrelenting attacks on me personally, my family, are unprecedented and have taken a sizable toll on all of us.

My desire in service to you has always been to bless you as you make important decisions for the American people. I believe you are serving as President today because of God’s providence. I believe that same providence brought me into your service. I pray as I have served you that I have blessed you and enabled you to effectively lead the American people. Thank you again Mr. President for the honor of serving you and I wish you Godspeed in all that you put your hand to.

Your Faithful Friend,

Scott Pruitt

http://freebeacon.com/politics/exclusive-scott-pruitts-resignation-letter/

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JohnS

Pruitt became a lightning rod. If Wheeler can do the same good job, maybe that is for the good.

wws

I think that’s the decision that Trump must have reached – getting rid of distractions before the midterms. I will miss Pruitt, loved watching him drive the left crazy.

Don Jindra

Why does everything have to be about left and right these days? The guy was corrupt and politically naive. Every reasonable citizen should be glad he’s gone.

Simon

Great fair comment. Telling you got down voted.

Jack Davis

-13 and counting down – it seems reasonable citizens are in short supply.

Chris

Indeed.

MarkW

Anybody will become a lightning rod if they get between the left and power.
Even if they have to invent the charges out of whole cloth.

commieBob

OMG Mark! That is one bad pun.

MarkW

The best puns hurt the most.

simple-touriste

“Anybody will become a lightning rod”

And yet WUWT has that silly “we respect real names more than handles” policy

jdgalt

I am convinced that is not what happened here.

I hope Pruitt’s successor will have the same anti-alarmist view, but not the corruption.

SwampyNonBeliever

The only thing I can say about this is, 33 billion dollars to a state sponsor of terror whose presidents get cheers going of, “death to America”. You can’t even come close to that.

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

I would agree that Obama set the bar pretty low….Quisling low.

SwampyNonBeliever

It doesn’t make up for what Scott did and look at the way he was forced out also. I would say it’s pretty good traditional media vetting. It’s just too bad it doesn’t work the other way around.

beng135

You can bet the “corruption” was manufactured, as the social-marxists regularly do against opponents.

Chris

Only tin foil hat folks believe the corruption was manufactured.

Tom Abbott

Do you have any evidence of Pruitt’s guilt, Chris?

I didn’t think so. You are just speculating, aren’t you.

Chris

Of course I do, Tom. If you would use Google, you would have it too. Here is one I already posted: http://fortune.com/2018/04/22/scott-pruitt-sweetheart-housing-deal-oklahoma/

A $100K discount on a $400K house is massive. Especially in an appreciating market, when the house was bought for $400K one year earlier. Oh, and her employer, a lobbying firm, covered the loss. Gee, kinda sounds suspicious.

There’s his $50/night for a room in DC at a house owned by a lobbyist friend. Now, if Pruitt was paying $50/night x 30, or $1500 per month, that would be fine. But no, only on the nights he stayed there. That’s way under market value.

There is his insistence on flying first class, which has been well documented. Business class I can understand if he is concerned about getting bothered by citizens, but first class?

There is the extremely expensive remodeling for his offices. And when challenged on it, he shamefully threw his staff under the bus. As if his staff is going to do that without his direction. Here is a more complete list: http://fortune.com/2018/04/06/scott-pruitt-epa-spending-trump/

Tom Abbott

Now show me evidence that anything you charge above is illegal.

Chris – Your post alleges a few hundred thousand dollars of unsubstantiated accusations, in the same town where the Clinton’s took hundreds of millions.

Question – what did YOU write about the Clinton’s graft and where? References required.

Nothing? Quelle surprise!

where the Clinton’s took hundreds of millions.
..
where the Clinton’s allegedly took hundreds of millions.
..
There Allan, fixed it for you.

Clyde Spencer

I imagine that what he spends on housing for his job is at least tax deductible, if not a reimbursable expense from EPA. So, you complain if he saves taxpayers money, and if he costs taxpayers money. That looks pretty much to me as a Catch 22 situation where you get to whine either way.

Joel Snider

‘Tin foil’ hats again. You need to expand your vocabulary.
Of course, that might require an original thought.

Simon

So do you think the Clintons are corrupt? If so is that fabricated by the right?

Gunga Din

No. Her’s and Bill’s reputations for corruption were well earned.
(Kinda reminds me of this:
https://youtu.be/ixiYZ9DPk8o )

A Reply to Simon’s:
“So you think the Clintons are corrupt? If so is that fabricated by the right?”)

I viewed this video about the “Clinton murders” – I wrote an American friend – an ex-Marine and said “Do you believe any of this?” I am awaiting his reply.

Other informed opinions are requested.

Dr Deanster

Well Alan …. it IS rather interesting that Hillary just happened to show up in AR the evening of Vince Fosters death, and just happened to show up at the Rose Law Firm, with secret service goons, who cleared the place, where they removed a lot of files and info, that hasn’t been seen since, but is know to exists.

Coincidence?

[AR = Arkansas, US abbreviation. The Rose Law firm is headquartered in Arkansas. .mod]

Tom Abbott

The Clinton’s are definitely corrupt. We may get more insight into the Clinton’s corruption when we get the report on their Clinton Foundation and on Hillary’s illegal handling of State Department emails.

And then there is the issue of Hillary and Bill using her position at the State Department to sell American uranium to the Russians, for which she and Bill were paid hansomely by those involved: Approximately $145 million to the Clinton Foundation and $500,000 for a speech by Bill..

And I recall that the Clinton’s stole tens of thousands of dollars worth of furnishings and other things from the White House when they left Office in 2000.

And the Clinton’s sold the Lincoln Bedroom in the White House for monetary gain.

I could go on and on and on.

Chris

The furnishings accusation is false. The Uranium story has been debunked a dozen times. But hey, Tom, keep living in the past and bringing up stories from 20 years ago.

Tom Abbott

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/18/fbi-docs-claim-clinton-took-furniture-from-state.html

“The claim, however disputed, has echoes of a similar controversy that dogged the Clintons when they left the White House in 2001 and took $190,000 worth of gifts with them. Some who gave the gifts said they were intended for the White House, including $28,000 of gifts given to the National Park Service for the White House’s personal collection, according to The Washington Post.

The flap eventually led to the Clintons returning $28,000 in gifts and paying for $86,000 of gifts themselves, according to an ABC News report at the time.”

end excerpt

The Clinton’s are moral degenerates.

And maybe we will get some insight into whether Hillary stole things from the State Department when the report of her unlawful handling of State Department emails comes out.

Tom Abbott

And you specifically said “no furniture” was involved, so I submit this for your edification:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/

“And one Steve Mittman from New York gave him two sofas, an easy chair and ottoman worth $19,900.

The problem was, Mittman and a few others included on the list said they never intended their gifts to go to the Clintons. They thought they were donating to the White House itself as part [of] a major remodeling project in 1993.”

end excerpt

Tom Abbott

First of all there has to be some proof of corruption. So far there is nothing but allegations. You are assuming too much that is not in evidence.

And considering the political climate we are in and the lack of morals on the radical Left, I wouldn’t be surprised if these charges against Pruitt are all trumped up with no substance.

A person, even a conservative, should be considered innocent until proven guilty.

If Pruitt has done wrong, then he should pay for it. But so far there is no evidence of wrongdoing.

Time will tell.

Pruitt is a political hack. The first thing he should have done was to order a full review of the EPA CO2 endangerment finding (which is full of errors), followed by an order to rework the finding, suspend the Clean Power Plan until a new finding was finished. But this guy was simply unable to function on that job. Trump has had lousy picks and this is showing.

Jack Davis

That’s some kind of measure of folks here. You’re with them, agree with their ludicrous arguments against science, and they down vote you because you’re against corruption.

Geoff

Pruitt thought that changing the EPA did not involve personal and family risk. This is clearly not so. Anyone who wants to “drain the swamp” must be prepared to put their family at risk. If not, don’t take the job.

Trebla

You can’t drain the swamp if you’re part of it

Greg

This is nothing to do with “draining the swamp” which refers to financial corruption of politicians. This is about cleaning out political corruption of an administrative agency.

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

Oh please. just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself with that post and its false innuendo.

Simon

OMG he was the swamp. Swilling using the taxpayers money. Worst appointment in political history.

Geoff

Trump was part of the swamp. That is why he knows how to drain it.

noaaprogrammer

Trump was once part of the swamp (being a democrat). That’s why he is able to withstand all that swamp gas without succumbing like a typical wussy republican would.

Chris

Trump isn’t draining the swamp in the slightest. He’s made it far, far worse. If you’re a foreign leader and you want Trump to back off, just give him some Trump hotel deals or trademarks. Works like a charm.

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

Better to keep your posts to yourself and be thought of as a fool than to type them and press enter and remove all doubt as you just did.

Chris

Thanks for your content free reply, Gordon.

HotScot

Chris

“Thanks for your content free reply, Gordon.”

Pot, Kettle.

Tom Abbott

Got any evidence of foreign politicians successfully bribing Trump to do anything against the interests of the United States, Chris?

No, you don’t have any evidence of this either, do you. You’re just making unsubstantiated allegations.

Chris

Tom, when someone is President, they are supposed to sell off or put in a blind trust, all their investments. Trump has refused to do so. I quote: “every president since the 1970s (until the current one) took significant voluntary steps to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

President Trump’s choice to abandon this tradition should worry all of us. While many of his supporters praise his willingness to break through conventions they find obsolete or elitist, preventing abuse of public office for private gain ought to be a point of common ground.”
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/370488-trumps-scandalous-conflicts-of-interest-live-on

Tom Abbott

That was a good, informative article, Chris.

There’s no evidence in it of any wrongdoing on Trump’s part.

What is your requirement for Trump, to sell all his billions of dollars in property around the world?

Trump doesn’t want to sell. So he turned everything over to his sons. How many other presidents have been billionaires and faced this question? How many presidents have sold their businesses upon taking Office?

Chris

It doesn’t matter how many faced this question. Nobody forced Trump to run. He has refused to do what past wealthy Presidents have done, including Reagan and Bush senior. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/15/ronald-reagan-did-it-george-h-w-bush-did-it-bill-clinton-did-it-george-w-bush-did-it-donald-trump-wont-do-it/?utm_term=.3fa69247050f
You don’t think having foreign leaders with whom Trump is negotiating deals stay in Trump properties is a conflict of interest?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/16/donald-trumps-properties-reveal-unprecedented-conflicts-of-interest-warns-public-citizen-report.html

hunter

Simon,
with all due respect, es&d.

Chris

Hey Hunter, you are truly delusional if you don’t acknowledge that Pruitt was so ethically compromised it was ridiculous. Perhaps you don’t care that he was, so that’s on you.

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

Straining nats and swallowing camels much?

MarkW

It really is fascinating how leftists can only see corruption when it’s on the other side.
In fact their eye sight is so good that they can even see corruption that doesn’t exist.

Need I remind you of Obama’s EPA chief who was caught lying to congress and used an alternate name on her EPA e-mail account in order to avoid FOIA requests?
Nobody on the left thought either of those things was worth getting excited over.

Chris

Hey MarkW, and she resigned over, as she should have. Duh.

Joel Snider

‘she resigned over, as she should have. Duh’

Yeah, funny how that was buried in the press and she was sent out with great laurels by Obama, once she’d done what she was put there to do, and then replaced by a woman who did the same thing.
Duh.

beng135

Chris, you actually believe any of the refuge in the media? How funny and childishly naive.

Chris

Refuge? Is English your second language, Beng? Even ultra conservative Fox News agreed Pruitt needed to go. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/05/john-fund-why-epa-s-scott-pruitt-had-to-go-and-what-to-expect-from-epa-now.html

Ree

The fact that you call Fox “ultra conservative” shows you have no clue what you are talking about.

Chris

Yeah, you’re right. For someone like you who is living on the fringe with Alex Jones, Fox is downright mainsteam.

Joel Snider

Ha! As if you ever had an original thought in your life, Chris.
Anybody ever notice how Progressive ‘thought’ is lockstep – with no deviation whatsoever? None ALLOWED.
It really isn’t even necessary for you to post here, Chris – if I want your opinion, I’ll just see what’s being fed to you by the Huffington Post on any given day – which is basically nothing but projection based on reinforcing and justifying personal bigotries, supported by the bobble-headed marching brooms.

Chris

Joel, tell us an original thought that you’ve had.

Simon

Ree, are you saying Fox is not right wing? Really? Clearly you don’t watch it. Granted they have a couple of neutral people worth listening to… Shep Smith, Bret Baier, but try watching Hannity without an eye patch on.

goldminor

Read the comment again. Note the use of the word “ultra”.

Chris, if you read carefully the Foxnews article, it shows that Pruitt was not prepared for the scrutiny he would get in Washington. Possibly this was his mistake.

There were a lot of allegations and it was wise for Trump and Pruitt to step down. Any way, he started a good work and it will be continued.

Sometimes you are winning in midst of loosing.

The pendulum swings back and Trump is winning. As a newcomer in Washington, he will learn and achieve a lot.

And this I am writing as a former German Green and still an environmentalist.

HotScot

Johannes S. Herbst

We are all environmentalists here Johannes.

Well, except for the alarmist posters who contend renewables are the holy grail, and condemn CO2 as a pollutant. Pruitt fell prey to these zealots who adopt smear and harassment as political tools of choice.

Tom Abbott

Evidence, Chris?

goldminor

Don’t need no stinking evidence.

Chris

I posted a number of items higher up in the thread, including a link to a full list.

HotScot

Chris

As far as I can see, you posted media articles, not evidence.

markopanama

When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s easy to forget that the initial objective was to drain the swamp

Chris

Rubbish, Pruitt brought this upon himself.

HotScot

Chris

Did Pruitt ask to be ambushed by a known left wing political activist, in a public restaurant?

cedarhill

Wheeler used to lobby for at least one coal company and has basically worked in the Swamp for years. The Left is fearful (ref. NYT article) he’ll be much more effective than Pruitt.
Maybe Trump will appoint Tim Ball? Perhaps James Delingpole? Better would be Mark Steyn since he’d provide much needed humor to the Swamp.

commieBob

Getting stuff done in the halls of government is not nearly as easy as it looks. I really respect Ball, Delingpole, and Steyn, but they would get chomped up and spat out.

Greg

Steyn wouldn’t but he would not be stupid enough to get himself into a mess like that.

Jack Davis

A mess like Pruitt? So you agree Pruitt was stupid to rort the system thinking there would not be consequences? He also thought he could abuse the environment without consequences to his abuse.
Just a stupid ignorant man through and through!

Phoenix44

Very true. As Sowell said:

“Much of what is called ‘public service’ is make-work for people who have degrees but no skills that would get them the kind of money and importance they feel entitled to in the marketplace.”

Threaten that and you will be lucky to survive.

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

I couldn’t agree more.

Rob

Pruitt quit because Trump didn’t put boots on the ground to protect him and his family from the threats and harassment. Unless Trump smartens up and protects his people who are doing a good job he’s not going be able to get good people like Pruitt. He’ll end with do nothings like Sessions and that head of the education department who do nothing because they don’t want to put up with what Pruitt did, until he finally has enough and quit.

Geoff

Pruitt was in legal and physical danger from the beginning. He tried bullet proofing his vehicle, assigning a security detail 7/24 for himself and his family, renting an unknown condo etc etc. All this was about security. When he could not get the state to pay for this he got inventive.

The left, Gaia zealots and national socialists are quite prepared to promote and incite harm. Trump is not in a position to increase security for his department heads outside of the White House.

If Pruitt thinks by quitting, attacks will cease, he is in for a shock. He supported Trump and will be pursued for life.

Chris

Tin foil hats on sale on aisle 3.

beng135

This from Chris, who has nothing between the shoulders for a hat or anything except a blow-hole cover.

Chris

Beng the no-op is on the scene!

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

Sadly, I believe you are correct. The Gaia lunatics are active on this thread as well.

Chris

Nah, just the folks who point out Pruitt’s corruption. What, do you refer to anything you disagree with as Gaia lunatics? You might want to expand your vocabulary.

Joel Snider

Pruitt was about as smeared anyone besides Trump I’ve ever seen. BY the corrupt.

Tom Abbott

My local radio station has reported that Pruitt had ten times as many death threats aimed at him as any other EPA administrator and that’s why he needed more security.

Chris

Higher security is fine. What does that have to do with spending 10s of thousands of dollars on an office remodel? Or spending $50/night to stay in a room of a house owned by a lobbyist, when the going rate is at least $100 if not $150? Or insisting of first class when good security is just as possible in business class?

paul courtney

I’m compelled to let Chris have his moment, Pruitt seemed like a conservative’s kinda guy as OK AG. Some of what he did may be defensible, but some stories, not denied, are examples of petty corruption. Counter examples of Dem corruption are useless, Chris will just cite another story of something Pruitt did (defensible or not, it all sounds bad), and Chris is enjoying this tarring a bit too much.

Chris is very predictable, this is a bad story for the enemy of progressives so he will harp on it. Predictability would be great for CliSci but in a comment string, boring.

Chris

WUWT site pyschologist Paul Courtney opines – hahaha.

HotScot

Chris

You just succeeded in proving his point.

Well done.

I have previously described Pruitt as a “loser”
because he refused to publicly refute
the junk science house of cards “foundation”
that created the fairy tale
of a coming climate change catastrophe.

I now add the description “crook”.

I am thrilled to see him go.

Anyone under so much scrutiny
who wastes the taxpayers’ money so often,
and hides meetings from FOIA requests,
is a crook.

If he talked with fossil fuel industry representatives,
and tried to hide that fact, I can only wonder
why he’d try to hide that. Do we want an EPA head
who talks ONLY with environmental activists?

Pruitt was part of the swamp even if his climate
views were “lukewarmer” (I guess they were).

My climate change blog:
http://www.elOnionBloggle.Blogspot.com

2hotel9

When he started spending money like a Democrat I figured he would be gone.

DrSandman

Here in the swamp, it is an interesting situation. Every single other cabinet member is at least a $10 millionaire, if not much more. Pruitt’s total net worth was $400k or so, based on disclosure docs.

DC culture is fascinating sometimes, such as going out to eat with NGO’s. It’s hard to keep up with one’s contemporaries when they don’t think about dropping $250 on a dinner for 2, and you have pull up your banking app to see if you should choose take-out or Chili’s. In many ways, I feel sorry for him; no wonder he was looking for sweetheart deals on rooms to rent.

Note well, that many of the people in the EPA bureaucracy he manages likely have total net worth greater than him. I know a couple of mid-career Federal employees that are multiples higher than that. (And let’s not freak-out on out-of-control salaries or benefits… these folks could easily get 150% their salary in the private sector, and are just great savers.)

2hotel9

The first “scandal” I saw about Pruitt was his spending within EPA budget, then miss-use of tax funded travel. Rental deals outside of that I don’t see as scandal or anyone’s business, as long as he is not being “bought”. The already initiated investigations will find whether or not quid pro quo was involved. Since he is leaving most likely he will be cleared, had he stayed then DoJ would burn his life down and go after his children.

Bryan A

I guess the Left doesn’t want the Right to emulate their spending practices. If the Right did, then the Left couldn’t tell them apart and would get confused

Simon

Or the left don’t want the right to be hypocites.

2hotel9

Well, that is in their wheelhouse, as it were.

hunter

repeat, es&d, Simon.

2hotel9

I already have a hard time distinguishing one from the other as is. 😉

Holly birtwistle

Total rubbish 2hotel9. He was a solid, honest administrator, trying to reform a corrupted EPA, and he did wonders. These investigations are ridiculous; it takes time to drain the swamp. Good men sometimes cannot bear to see their family threatened and suffering. Such are the attacks by the Leftist climate/ environmental hateful mobs.

Chris

Good grief, you should consider a career in drama. Honest? Give me a break. Buying a house from a lobbyist for $100K below market value while he was working in Oklahoma. http://fortune.com/2018/04/22/scott-pruitt-sweetheart-housing-deal-oklahoma/

ironargonaut

you got to admit it sounds like Obama and his Chicago house, so two wrongs don’t make a right, but two rights make a plane.

Chris

Deflect deflect deflect! Well done, iron.

Jeff Alberts

And three rights make a left.

beng135

Shrillary couldn’t account for 6 BILLION dollars in the State Dept funds when she was working there. Oh well, don’t worry about it, the situation simply disappeared from the news. It’s Shrillary, anyway — what does it matter now? And the obomination in the White House at the time vouched for her.

I don’t want to challenge your math Chris, but what percentage of 6 billion is 100K?

Chris

Hey Beng, I have no clue what right wing nut job site you got your $6B from, since you didn’t bother to provide supporting links.

Simon

News flash. Hillary is not part of this corrupt government.

John Endicott

And thank goodness that crooked Hillary is no where near government today 🙂

Simon

But you are happy the crooked on the right (for the record I don’t believe the right are any more crooked than the left. Look at Robert Mueller, straight as an arrow) get to blow taxpayer money. Hypocrites.

Chris

Hey Simon, did you criticize Trey Gowdy for blowing through $20M in taxpayer money on 7 separate Benghazi investigations? And gee, maybe a criminal investigation is not the same thing as requesting a $27,000 bullet proof desk.

2hotel9

Don’t tell me, tell DoJ. As for the budget spending, what do you need new office furniture for every year? A new chair I can see, $46,000 in total refit simply because you are new in that office? Really? Reform the EPA, and all other USG agencies. STOP PISSING AWAY MY MONEY ON CRAP THAT IS NOT NEEDED!!!! That is a major part of reforming ALL USG agencies. Stop defending waste, corruption and graft.

william Johnston

And yet the entire clinton cabal continues to enjoy immunity. Unreal.

Barbara

U.S. Gov. Printing Office

“International Deforestation And Climate Change”, ~ 62 pages

Senate Hearing: s.Hrg.110-652

Transcript: April 22, 2008

Topics include: IETA, Chicago Climate Exchange, climate change, Kyoto, carbon markets.

Drain the swamp?
Some historical perspective & hearing witnesses included.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-110shrg45735/html/CHRG-110shrg45735.htm

Barbara

UNFCCC, COP 15

Daily Programme Part Two, 16 December 2009

Page 5, 13:15-13:45.

“U.S. Senator Kerry: the critical role of a global deal in advancing U.S. legislation”

https://unfccc.int/sites/default/files/resource/docs/2009/cop15/od09p02.pdf

Barbara

United States Senate

Committee On Finance, April 24, 2008
Full Committee Hearing

“The Aspects of a Cap-and-Trade System”

Includes: IETA, Henry Derwent (from the U.K.) , Cap-and-Trade, climate change.

Select any items including the full Committee transcript.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/hearings/tax-aspects-of-a-cap-and-trade-system

Barbara

UNFCCC

Search results: IETA and Henry Derwent
https://unfccc.int/gcse?q=Henry%20Derwent

UNFCCC

Search results: IETA and Dirk Forrister
https://unfccc.int/gcse?q=Dirk%20Forrister

Select any of the items on these UNFCCC webpages.

KenB

When you consider that Hilarity had already bought a house that would then be rented and paid for by the US Government agencies as she moved into the White house, all nice pre planning and enhancement of the Clinton Legacy, except she didn’t win, and now will have to pay off the property in the normal way like other folks have to that can’t put their hands in other peoples pockets.

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

I think I read the other day that the Clinton Global Initiative was being shut down for lack of funding… I guess it didn’t take long for the “Philanthropists” to get the message that there was no longer any “play” for the “pay”. The fact that the press doesn’t cover this story wall-to-wall says everything any person who says they respect truth needs to know.

THE PRESS, as we grew up knowing, IS DEAD. It has become PRAVDA.

2hotel9

Oh, not just them, they are just a glaringly obvious example. Lots of career politicians and bureaucrats that evade prosecution simply because of where they are politically.

Tom Halla

From what little I have seen, Wheeler intends to continue much the same policies. Still, a damn pity Pruitt is out.

AndyE

Just why is that “a damn pity”? He is good riddance – not, of course, because of his policies but rather because of his ethics. He is really out of the same drawer as Trump : basically fine policies – but, for a person in high office, ordinary human behaviour and morals rotten.

Pat Frank

You’ve just bought into the character assassination leveled at DT, AndyE.

Cube

Right, so Killary would have been a more ethical choice.

Holly birtwistle

Absolute garbage AndyE.

Philip Schaeffer

Well, lets see a show of hands. Who thinks it was OK for him to use taxpayer paid staff to seek a Chik-Fill-A franchise for his wife?

Pat Frank

Ah, yes, so much worse than Gina McCarthy’s criminal incompetence in causing the Gold King Mine spill and the $750,000 McCarthy spent on international travel in three years.

No outcry over that, was there Philip. From which we can surmise that you have little ethical qualms about corruption per se, and your criticism of Scott Pruitt is mere political opportunism.

Philip Schaeffer

Did I just hear the “lots of other people have done bad things and got away with it” defense?

And did you just judge me on the basis of whether or not there was an outcry from other people about something else?

Whether or not Scott Pruitt was corrupt in no way depends on whether other people have done bad things, or who reacted in what way to them.

If you were the head of the EPA, would you have used taxpayer paid staff to seek a Chick-Fill-A franchise for your wife? Do you think that is acceptable?

Perhaps you’d like to take it in turns listing things bad things that other people have done, and demanding that the other party condemn them? We could do that forever, and it still wouldn’t change anything about whether or not what Pruitt did was acceptable.

Pat Frank

Philip, your —

Ques 1: No

Ques 2: I’m judging you on the basis of whether *you* called out Gina McCarthy, as you’ve called out Scott Pruitt. Did you personally protest against Gina McCarthy’s abuses? If so, where?

Ques 3 and 4: No and No.

Par. 4: My point is not about Scott Pruitt, Philip. It’s about you and your ethical consistency.

Philip Schaeffer

Pat:

outcry: “a strong expression of public anger and disapproval”

How did your surmise anything about me from the lack of outcry over those events?

Pat Frank

I invited you to demonstrate a prior equivalent protest against Gina McCarthy’s corrupt and criminal practices, Philip. You’ve now evaded that invitation.

Perhaps you hadn’t known the extent of McCarthy’s criminality. You could have posted so, and gone on to write that, now that you do know, you decry that, too. But you didn’t do that, either.

You haven’t much ground left to stand on, there at the edge of the hypocrisy cliff, Philip.

Philip Schaeffer

Says the man who thinks he can surmise something about my ethics on the basis of what other people have or haven’t done.

You started by surmising that I have no ethical qualms about corruption on the basis of the lack of public outcry, and having already done that, you now ask me to prove otherwise.

You made an allegation without evidence, on the basis of the actions of others, and now you want me to provide evidence against your unsupported allegation.

Do I really have to explain how that is all backwards?

Pat Frank

I invited you — you, Philip, not “others” — to demonstrate your ethical repudiation of the larger crimes and offenses of Gina McCarthy and Lisa Jackson, Philip.

You’ve now evaded doing so twice, across several posts and two days.

It’s no stretch to surmise from your extended and specific silence that your criticism of Pruitt is not about ethics but about political opportunism.

Philip Schaeffer

You said in your first response to me:

“Ah, yes, so much worse than Gina McCarthy’s criminal incompetence in causing the Gold King Mine spill and the $750,000 McCarthy spent on international travel in three years.”

OK, so you’ve made a statement using sarcasm to suggest that what Gina McCarthy did was worse. OK, you’re entitled to your opinion.

Then you go on to say:

“No outcry over that, was there Philip. From which we can surmise that you have little ethical qualms about corruption per se, and your criticism of Scott Pruitt is mere political opportunism.”

Hang on a second… you just made a judgement about me. On the basis of the lack of outcry. Before actually asking me what I think about McCarthy.

You don’t know what I think about McCarthy, and you’ve already judged me on the basis of what I think about McCarthy!

If you’re willing to acknowledge that you made a judgement about me without basis, then I will happily tell you what I think about McCarthy.

What I won’t do is allow you to pretend that your initial allegation was reasonable. You explicitly say that your are surmising about me on the basis of the lack of outcry. That isn’t possible.

Pat Frank

That’s three times you’ve avoided repudiating the larger crimes and offenses of Gina McCarthy and Lisa Jackson, Philip.

Taking refuge behind dictionary usage provides you small cover.

Outcry: n. 1a. a loud cry.

My surmise isn’t about what you think, Philip. It’s taken from your behavior here, and the ethical inference that follows.

Philip Schaeffer

Regardless of which definition you use, you have no idea what I think or have said about it. You decided that I don’t care about ethics on the basis of what I have said or thought, without knowing what I have said or thought.

Philip Schaeffer

Heck, try it your way:

“No loud cry over that, was there Philip.”

I don’t know? Was there?

That’s still got nothing to do with me. You could have started by asking what I think about McCarthy, but you started with the allegation.

Pat Frank

That’s five times, now, you’ve avoided an opportunity to criticize Gina McCarthy or Lisa Jackson.

So, let’s make it explicit. Was it worse, do you think, that Gina McCarthy ignored prior warnings about a likely Gold King Mine blowout before EPA workers blew it out in fact, or that Scott Pruitt asked about a Chick-fil-A concession for his wife?

And Lisa Jackson, was it worse that she deceptively used a private email account under a false name — Richard Windsor — in that way avoiding FOIA inquiries and Congressional oversight, both, or that Scott Pruitt asked about a Chick-fil-A concession for his wife?

Philip Schaeffer

If you need to ask what I think about McCarthy, then how were you able to determine that I don’t care about ethics? Why didn’t you ask before making your judgement?

That’s five times now you’ve asked for the evidence you need to be able to make a judgement, when you’ve already made the judgement!

You simply wont acknowledge that you judged me first, and asked the question you need the answer to, to be able to judge me, second.

Exactly what did you base your original judgement on? Yah know, the one you made before you asked me what I think about McCarthy? The one where you judged me on the basis of the lack of outcry?

If you are willing to acknowledge that there was no way for you to make a judgement about whether I cared about ethics on the basis of whether or not there was outcry about what McCarthy did, I give you my word that I’ll tell you what I think about McCarthy.

RACookPE1978

Hmmmn. And, since the basic McCarthy accusations against the high-level communists, spies, and communist sympathizers in the Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower Executive and State Departments were proven right by subsequent Russian documents and interviews, what does that make your claims about McCarthy actually mean? What does your extreme predjudice against today’s efforts at ridding the US government of corruption and foreign influence buying BY outside governments mean – noting that charges of “foreign influence” last ONLY as long as that means only the designated democrat-national socialist candidate gets her hundreds of millions of foreign money!

Oh. Were you talking about the other McCarthy? Today’s latest eco-illogical “hero” – The former head of the national socialist party’s EPA?

Pat Frank

You could well have immediately replied with a criticism of McCarthy and Jackson, Philip, made then or at some prior time. That would have put paid to my inference. But you didn’t.

I asked you provide or express an equivalent upset over the greater criminal excesses of the prior EPA directors as you had over Scott Pruitt. But you have not done.

Not only have you provided none, but you have also avoided every opportunity here to express any criticism at all about their behavior. Your silence is eloquent.

Go ahead and have the last word, Philip.

Philip Schaeffer

Lol, you’re never going to admit that it was unreasonable to surmise that I don’t care about ethics based on the lack of outcry about something, and doing so not knowing what I thought about that thing, and only then asking me what I thought about that thing.

I will however tell you what I think about the issues you raise about McCarthy and Jackson.

You said:

“Ah, yes, so much worse than Gina McCarthy’s criminal incompetence in causing the Gold King Mine spill and the $750,000 McCarthy spent on international travel in three years.”

Lets start with the travel bit.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/10/donald-trump/scott-pruitt-security-spending-epa-predecessor/

“Travel

It is tricky to compare travel expenses across various EPA administrations.

In total, the EPA spent about $731,000 on McCarthy’s trips and $464,000 on previous EPA administrator Lisa Jackson’s trips, according to a document the EPA press office sent reporters in March. The figures lump together both travel and security costs combined for all travelers, not just the administrator.

Those totals encompass the two ex-administrators’ entire tenures heading the EPA. McCarthy was in office three and a half years, and Jackson served four years.

Pruitt, on the other hand, had a significantly higher price tag despite entering office in February 2017. An EPA official told the Associated Press “total security costs approached $3 million when pay is added to travel expenses.”

McCarthy’s trips cost on average less than $120,000 — the price tag a Washington Post report put on Pruitt’s June 2017 trip to Italy, where he visited the U.S. Embassy in Rome and took a private tour of the Vatican before attending a meeting of G-7 environment ministers in Bologna.”


https://nypost.com/2018/03/23/scott-pruitt-in-hot-water-for-spending-less-on-travel-than-obamas-epa-chiefs/

“And The Washington Free Beacon’s Elizabeth Harrington dug up some more context: President Obama’s EPA poohbahs traveled just as large.

Lisa Jackson, EPA director from 2009 to 2013, racked up more than $332,000 on four overseas trips. Gina McCarthy, the chief in 2013-17, spent nearly $630,000 on flights and security in her 10 international travels.

None of which made headlines, even on the web — though their yearly average bill was a bit above Pruitt’s one-year total.

Maybe Pruitt should pass on the junkets and save the taxpayers some money, but he’s not costing them any more than the Democrats who held the same job.”


http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-epa-administrators-spent-eight-times-pruitt-international-travel/
“McCarthy spent $629,743 on airfare and security for international trips between 2013 and 2016.

Internal EPA documents show costs for trips to Ghana ($68,382), Peru ($45,140), Tokyo ($74,738), Paris ($41,321), Dubai ($90,368), Tokyo ($67,703), Florence ($56,193), Vancouver ($62,247), Vietnam ($68,268), and Beijing ($55,385).

Jackson spent $332,113 on airfare and security detail for just four international trips.

Between 2009 and 2012, Jackson spent $64,963 for trips to Tel Aviv; $59,950 to Rio de Janeiro; $51,436 to Montreal; and $155,764 to Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shanghai.

In all, the Obama EPA administrators spent $961,856 on international travel, or 7.75 times more than Pruitt.”


7.75 times as much! But they were EPA heads from 2009 to 2017, 8 years. They took more trips, but the average cost of each trip was below Pruitt’s.

If you have a look through this thread you’ll find that while there are many things Pruitt did that I object to, I’ve said nothing about travel. In that position international flights with staff and security are necessary, and will cost a lot of money.

To really get into the necessary details to assess how reasonable the spending was you have to look at whether the trips were for a useful purpose, and whether or not it was necessary to spend as much as was spent to make them happen.

While Pruitt spent on average more per trip, he did have higher security costs. Was the extra money for security necessary? Were the trips for a proper purpose? I honestly don’t know enough of the details to condemn his behavior there, or to condemn Jackson and McCarthy.

If those travel spending figures are something that someone who cares about ethics would object to, then do you condemn Pruitt’s spending on the same basis? He managed to spend about the same amount per year, but for less flights at a greater average price per flight. Are you being consistent in your judgement of ethics on this issue?

That’s the end of part 1! I’ve got to get back to work. I’ll have a crack at the other two issues when I get a chance.

Jack Davis

And your defense of Pruitt is…..?

Pat Frank

My view of Pruitt, Jack, is that he was a much better EPA administrator than Gina McCarthy.

Lisa Jackson, her predecessor, sent thousands of emails on EPA business using a fake email account under the name Richard Windsor in an attempt to avoid Congressional oversight and FOIA scrutiny. That is criminal behavior.

It seems Scott was better than Lisa, too.

None of that is a “defense” of Pruitt. It’s just an exposure of the ethical hypocrisy of his partisan critics.

Chris

Hey Holly, talk is cheap. Instead of just blindly defending him, show us how actions like this were honest. http://fortune.com/2018/04/22/scott-pruitt-sweetheart-housing-deal-oklahoma/

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

I am embarrassed to be on the same thread as you.

Jack Davis

Good, you see the ugliness of what they are – you’re on the way to understanding it’s ugly what they do.

Mark from the Midwest

The agenda has been set, the agency just needs a competent manager. By all accounts Wheeler is a good manager who understands the current goals completely. What baffles me is how someone like Pruitt could make so many bonehead moves that were distracting from the core agenda.

John F. Hultquist

so many bonehead moves

Agreed. I’ll guess this pattern is a character flaw that should have been found prior to his appointment. One does not become a bonehead at some age or appointment-related tipping point.
Now Andrew Wheeler will be vetted in public. Will be interesting to watch.

noaaprogrammer

It would be nice if he could be slipped in under the flak of the up-coming replacement of Kennedy at the Supreme Court.

How many of his “offenses” were outside of normal practice?

Jeff Alberts

I’d be willing to bet that nothing he did was unusual, but the mostly liberal media just dug and dug and dug. But, he should have been aware that would happen, and kept his nose clean.

Chris
Jeff Alberts

I don’t know, Chris. I’m sure similar things happen all the time, we just don’t usually hear about them.

Flavio

Easily. He purchased the house in for $390 in 2003 and sold it for 20% more in 2005. Are you old enough to remember housing bubble of that period?

Perhaps this will help.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/case-shiller-home-price-index

Chris

Flavio, I’ll try to speak extra s-l-o-w-l-y so you can understand. Pruitt purchased the house for $100K under market value. That has NOTHING to do with what he sold it for in 2005. In 2003, he paid $100K less than the lobbyist Lindsey paid for it in 2002. Since as you noted there was a housing bubble during that time, it certainly wouldn’t make sense for the price to decline by $100K between 2002 and 2003.

JohnB

@Chris

Could you please tell me what buying an undervalued house in 2003 has to do with his management of a department in 2018?

Getting things cheaper or for free is par for the course in government. It came out recently in Oz that a Union leader had $100k worth of home improvements done by a building company. When questioned about it by an investigation the response was; “I’m a nice bloke and people like me”.

But to tie a 2003 deal with the EPA and call “corruption” is just silly. Are we supposed to believe that the lobbyist was hoping he would one day be head of a government department?

Chris

JohnB, above I posted a long list of his actions while EPA head, as well as an article that lists many more.

Chris

John, the lobbyist was hoping that Scott’s administrative rulings would be in favor of their clients.

MarkW
Paul Penrose

Jim,
Nothing he did was unusual inside the beltway. But because of his inexperience, he didn’t cover his tracks well enough. So this battle was won by the “destroy Trump at all costs” crowd. The outcome of the war is a different matter though.

AndyL

Wheeler won’t last
His old FB posts have been dug up where he called Trump a bully and said he was a bad businessman

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

At least the democrats will be behind him… maybe Trump will get him approved.

EternalOptimist

scott did a lot of good. sad to see him go

fobdangerclose

Anthony

Take the job.

Your needed by U S All!

I am disappointed at the man, and at the consequences of his actions. It’s not just what you do, but how you do it. Pruitt messed up on the “how” part.

Now can we see a list of Al Gore’s expenses ?

ThomasJK

It seemed to me that one of the first things that Pruitt did upon taking office was to become comfortable as a functional part of “The Swamp.” His personal ethics seemed to ‘take a hike” anytime he needed to act to his or his family’s personal advantage with actions that were detrimental to the American public.

“Borrowed” from an NPR posting on line:

Ethics questions and investigations

While Pruitt’s environmental policies were controversial, it was his spending and attempts to use the position for personal gain that resulted in more than a dozen investigations.

Several patterns were quickly established, including unusually high spending on his office and travel and continually mixing his personal and professional lives.

The EPA spent about $43,000 on a soundproof phone booth for the administrator’s office, and The Washington Post reported that Pruitt spent thousands of dollars on first-class plane tickets. The New York Times reported Pruitt’s chief of security proposed that Pruitt spend $70,000 on two desks, one of them bulletproof. The desks were not purchased.

Pruitt cited security threats as one reason for the first-class travel, and he spent tens of thousands of dollars on a publicly-funded, 24-hour security detail, which his office said was necessary to protect him from threats. Pruitt’s security detail reportedly accompanied him on personal trips, including a family vacation to Disneyland. In August 2017, the EPA’s Office of the Inspector General began investigating Pruitt’s travel and security expenses and has widened the investigation multiple times.

Pruitt aides also sought to protect their boss from questions, and help his wife pursue business deals, according to New York Times and Washington Post analyses of thousands of internal emails released to the Sierra Club under the Freedom of Information Act.

According to CNN, Pruitt broke with a tradition set by past EPA administrators and kept a secret, non-public calendar to hide meetings with industry representatives and controversial figures. Just minutes before Trump’s tweet announcing Pruitt’s resignation, the New York Times reported that a Pruitt staffer who had questioned the deletions had been fired after doing so. At public appearances, EPA staff often told reporters and citizens that the administrator would only answer pre-planned questions, the Times reported.

honest liberty

not that there might be validity to that information, but your sources are as credible as slick willy. CNN hasn’t a shred of decency or honesty and neither does NPR with their lull you to sleep propaganda.
“it’s ok little sheep, daddy is here to take care of you, go to sleep, go to sleep” – that is what I hear whenever NPR is randomly within earshot. Then again, my BS detector is finely tuned.

Jack Davis

BS detector? No, it’s just dissonance between reality and what you believe – that’s what you are feeling.

Last time I flew in the US I took one look at economy and upgraded to first class. Seriously airlines treat US air passengers worse than anyone else on the planet, I’ve never seen people packed in so tight.

I drive 800 km a day while in the US rather than take a single domestic US flight, be it economy or first class. The only thing they don’t use yet on boarding people or in vetting them in security yet is cattle prods.

Crispin in Waterloo

Is that true, or did you hear it on CNN?

Eric
May I therefore warn you off e v e r e v e r travelling on Southern Railways [Perhaps better known as Southern Failways] into London from ‘the South’.
Several years of unadulterated Schi5t – I retired last year – oh the relief of stress!! – and, besides the directly Southern problems, today, NOTHING moved into London Victoria [Second busiest station in the UK], until about 1500.
Railtrack problem – not Southern – but . . . . . . . . .
Problems likely to wash over to tomorrow early rush hour we are now advised.

Optimism is not a survival trait on Southern.
Getting a bus can be.

This quote might be of interest –
“Michael Scriven said he tried unsuccessfully to board eight trains to London Bridge at East Croydon station and was “the most sardined I’ve ever been” when he eventually managed to get on one.”
From
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44721415

Brother, I am glad I have retired.
I now go to London if I want to [if services are half-decent!!].

And – yes – I accept that some budget airlines are – ahem – economic with the space, but having experienced Southern on bad days, with respect, if flying you usually get a seat. on Southern, rush-half-day; about 30% do.

Has the RSPCA investigated? I have not seen that they have [maybe my omission . . . .].

Auto
As noted, retired, and not, now, using Southern regularly.
PS Do n o t ask them about their ‘New’ timetable.

I hear you, I used to commute into London from the South West, upgraded to first class on that commute as well, just to get a seat…

George Daddis

“…..a tradition set by past EPA administrators ”

Ya mean like the “tradition” to use an alias to hide communications with activist groups?
I didn’t see CNN and NPR complain about the “Richard Winston”, aka Lisa Jackson’s trick to avoid FOIA requests.

Jeff Alberts

Richard Windsor.

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

The double standard has gotten to the point that it makes me want to vomit.

Michael Jankowski

“…According to CNN, Pruitt broke with a tradition set by past EPA administrators and kept a secret, non-public calendar to hide meetings with industry representatives and controversial figures…”

So he “broke with tradition,” lol. At least one past EPA administrator used private and fake email addresses to keep communications with lobby groups and controversial figures secret…

michael hart

I don’t see why he should need to hide such meetings at all. And if it annoyed CNN and the Sierra Club then I would have trumpeted it from the rooftops.

Holly birtwidtle

According to CNN?!???!! Your sources are extremely suspect ThomasJK. What a load of horrible garbage intended to ruin his reputation, and destroy his life. It worked, he quit.

Philip Schaeffer

Some text from the CNN report in question, which never uses the term “tradition”. They do however mention that it may be illegal.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/02/politics/scott-pruitt-whistleblower-secret-calendar/index.html

” (CNN)EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt and his aides have kept “secret” calendars and schedules to overtly hide controversial meetings or calls with industry representatives and others, according to a former EPA official who is expected to soon testify before Congress. A review of EPA documents by CNN found discrepancies between Pruitt’s official calendar and other records.
EPA staffers met routinely in Pruitt’s office to “scrub,” alter or remove from Pruitt’s official calendar numerous records because they might “look bad,” according to Kevin Chmielewski, Pruitt’s former deputy chief of staff for operations, who attended the meetings.

A CNN review which compared Pruitt’s public calendar with internal EPA schedules and emails shows more than two dozen meetings, events or calls were omitted from his public calendar.

Chmielewski said that some interactions were intentionally removed from Pruitt’s calendar after they occurred, such as meetings in June 2017 between Pruitt and Cardinal George Pell, who was charged weeks later with multiple historical charges of sexual offenses. Pell has pleaded not guilty.
“We would have meetings what we were going to take off on the official schedule. We had at one point three different schedules. One of them was one that no one else saw except three or four of us,” Chmielewski told CNN. “It was a secret … and they would decide what to nix from the public calendar.”

Chmielewski says he was forced to leave the EPA in February after raising questions about Pruitt’s spending and management.
If the allegations are true, the practice of keeping secret calendars and altering or deleting records of meetings could violate federal law as either “falsifying records” or hiding public records, according to legal experts interviewed by CNN.
“If somebody changed, deleted, scrubbed a federal record with the intent of deceiving the public or intent of deceiving anybody, it could very well be a violation of federal law,” said Larry Noble, a former general counsel at the Federal Election Commission.

Chmielewski said Pruitt’s aides would print sections of the private calendar containing details of events, gather around a table, sometimes in Pruitt’s office, and decide what would be omitted or altered on the public calendar. He said this often occurred under Pruitt’s direction.

CNN has reached out to EPA repeatedly for comment on the allegations.
Chmielewski’s description of hiding controversial events from the public appears to be supported by discrepancies between Pruitt’s public calendar posted on the EPA’s website and internal schedules, emails and travel itineraries that have been released by the agency in response to public records requests and lawsuits filed by the Sierra Club and Environmental Integrity Project.
While some of the omitted events CNN uncovered consisted of meetings with other government officials — such as a lunch with Kellyanne Conway — others involved meetings with industry executives and attorneys.

For example, Pruitt’s public EPA schedule shows that his final meeting for the day of April 26, 2017, was with Australia’s environmental minister, but an internal calendar shows that later the same day he attended a dinner at the BLT Prime restaurant inside Trump International Hotel hosted by coal producer Alliance Resource Partners and its CEO, Joseph Craft.
Craft, who donated $1 million to President Donald Trump’s inauguration and has given millions more to mostly Republican candidates and committees, has advocated for the rollback of former President Barack Obama’s coal-industry regulations.

While Pruitt’s public calendar notes that he met with former Sen. Trent Lott in September 2017, his internal schedule shows that the meeting also included Anthony Chiarello, the then-CEO of shipping company TOTE. Chiarello and Pruitt discussed TOTE’s ships and their fuel sources, according to documents and a TOTE spokesperson.

Seven of the undisclosed meetings involved individuals who were nominated or reportedly under consideration for EPA positions.
CNN has repeatedly asked EPA officials about the allegations and why the EPA calendar omits some information shown in internal records. The agency has not returned CNN’s messages or calls.

The EPA’s website with Pruitt’s calendar states that it “displays meetings with staff, stakeholders, elected officials, and others outside the Agency.”
Chmielewski said some events were only recorded in a “secret” calendar and have not been made public in documents released by the EPA.
In June 2017, Pruitt took a controversial trip to Italy that cost taxpayers $120,000. While there he dined with Cardinal Pell, a top Vatican official known for denying climate change who was then under investigation for claims of prior sexual offenses.
The dinner never appeared on Pruitt’s official calendar. An EPA spokesperson previously said Pell was one of many at the dinner and that Pruitt was unaware the cardinal was coming there. Chmielewski says that is not true.
“All of our time at the Vatican was spent with Cardinal Pell. Cardinal Pell was basically our host. I mean, that was who we were going to meet with,” Chmielewski said.

He said that in addition to dinner, Pruitt had two additional meetings with Pell that have not been previously reported. One was a lunch with Pell. The other was part of a Vatican tour. Chmielewski said he witnessed Pell greet Pruitt when Pruitt arrived at the Vatican, which is also supported by an internal EPA itinerary that at the time of Pruitt’s arrival states, “Will meet Cardinal Pell.”
About three weeks after the trip, Pell was charged in Australia with sexual assault offenses, and Pruitt’s aides decided to remove Pell’s name from the yet-to-be-released official EPA schedule, Chmielewski said.
“Once we came back and the Cardinal was actually charged with the offenses, I alerted [top EPA staff] and that’s when it was basically taken off the schedule that we met with Cardinal Pell,” Chmielewski said. Pell has vigorously denied the charges.

Chmielewski said EPA aides would disguise the details of some of Pruitt’s meetings or calls by labeling them “staff briefing” on his public schedule.
On Oct 18 at 10:30 a.m., Pruitt’s official calendar states, “Staff Briefing.” But internal scheduling documents mark that time as “Meeting: Orange County Superfund Site,” and emails show private attorneys representing a local water district confirmed that they would attend the meeting, which was originally requested on their behalf by conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. Politico first reported that meeting. “

Tom Abbott

“They do however mention that it may be illegal”

So the jury is still out.

Come back and see us when the jury reaches a verdict.

Philip Schaeffer

They are addressing it as a legal issue, not just one of breaking with tradition.

From above:

“So he “broke with tradition,” lol”

Gordon Jeffrey Giles

Yeah, Obama never took pre planned questions from the media……HA, Ha, HA!

Tom Abbott

Pruitt had numerous death threats from the radical Left.

JohnB

Amazing, apparently NPR think that assassins only work office hours. If Pruitt required extra security due to a large number of death threats, who in their right mind would expect that security to only be with him at the office during work hours? Of course they would go with him while on holidays, that’s what security does.

Jack Davis

Thomas, looks like reality has just been downvoted again. It’s really alternative here on planet WUWT.

Chris

How pathetic. You’re reduced to bringing up Al Gore, who hasn’t been in office in 18 years.

Jeff Alberts

How about his “no controlling legal authority” bit? he knew he did something wrong, but didn’t care.

I am reconsidering my stance of being “disappointed at the man, and at the consequences of his actions”, as I originally wrote.

I realize that I have no benchmark to judge Pruitt’s spending habits. What are the standard practices of OTHER government officials ? Are they all clean spenders ? Are they being held to the same standards as Pruitt ? I don’t know. Now the whole thing is looking petty.

How do any of Pruitt’s spending habits have anything to do with his job ? This is looking like a witch hunt now.

Again, I want a detailed look at Al Gore’s spending habits and HIS deals. I want a look at all government officials’ spending habits and deals. What are the circumstances ? How is Pruitt so different in his attempt to find deals ?

I withdraw my disappointment and replace it with curiosity to find out more.

Paul Penrose

Or even more current: Lisa Jackson. And who here really thinks that nobody in the Federal Government has off-calendar meetings?

Tom Abbott

“I withdraw my disappointment and replace it with curiosity to find out more.”

Good! That’s the proper attitude to take.

Joel Snider

‘Now can we see a list of Al Gore’s expenses ?’

That’s the sort of thing the press keeps suppressed, with the intent of providing the illusion of some kind of moral high ground for progressives – maintaining their bliss of ignorance, as well as sense of superiority.

Here’s an article from June 2018 that sheds a different light on this resignation:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/scott-pruitt-defense-against-left-wing-critics/

As I indicated most recently, I wonder whether this is a “manufactured crisis” that distracted so much from Pruitt’s job and imposed personal threats so severe that he decided to get the hell out of Dodge.

Chris

If these kinds of spending accusations were being levied against all of Trump’s Cabinet members, a case could be made that it is a manufactured crisis. But it’s just one person, and that person had the same accusations levied when he was a government official in Oklahoma.

Tom Abbott

Pruitt was suing the EPA while he was Attorney General of Oklahoma so he had the same set of enemies while in Oklahoma and in Washington DC.

That’s not to say that Pruitt is innocent or guilty, but he is innocent until proven guilty. That’s where we are right now, even though some people have already convicted him in their own minds.

I’ll note that Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma voiced public misgivings about Pruitt after seeing all the different reports of corruption, but then Inhofe talked personally with Pruitt and said afterwards that he still had confidence in Pruitt. So apparently Inhofe doesn’t think there is any truth to the accusations.

posa

Aside from living like a character from the ancien regime, Pruitt was doing the dirty work to poison our drinking water and fouling the air… A complete creep and scoundrel…

CO2 emissions are not pollution, but heavy metals in air and water ARE pollution… no one in his right mind would endorse such perfidy.

Derg

Were these heavy metals present during Obama’s administration or are these new metals

HotScot

Derg

Ignore him mate, just the left throwing their usual hissy fit.

honest liberty

wrong.
It is a bummer because I haven’t really seen much from you I disagree with, however, this is evidence folks here are just as guilty sometimes of echo-chambering, self-congratulation, and eating its own just like the left. Health issues aren’t a left/right paradigm thing, even if its been politicized as such.

It doesn’t matter if Obama’s policies were no different, except that if Fluorides are not agenda number one to remove from the water supplies (since they are industrial waste couched as healthy), then it is important. We all know what a coward and puppet that man was, and we expect the opposition to be different? That is naïve.

On one hand you folks recognize grand conspiracies (CAGW) and bad irreproducible research, but then completely dismiss the legitimate history of bought and paid science by ALCOR and other industrial giants to offload their poison onto the public.
“Hmm, our aluminum by-product is harmful and can eat through concrete? Meh, get a few scientists to claim simply by passing over ones teeth it will prevent tooth decay”
Those early studies have been disproven time and again and we know that fluoride damages the pineal gland. But no, that is just lefty science now eh? FCS. I love you guys but why must so many of you line right up along the false paradigm two-party talking points? It is rather disappointing.

sailboarder

“we know that fluoride damages the pineal gland. ”

No, I was not aware of that. All I know is that I have my teeth tanks to Crest toothpaste. Please enlighten me on the dangers I face.

noaaprogrammer

I was born during the 40s in a small town that was among the first to use fluoride in its drinking water. I rarely brushed my teeth until I started high school – (girls, you know). Now in my seventies, I still have never had a cavity. Yes, I know, it’s a very small sampling.

Anna Keppa

Virtually ALL dentists say that fluoride has resulted in a dramatic decrease in tooth decay over the past fifty years.

My dentist prescribes a high-strength fluoride toothpaste to counteract the effects of dry mouth. Is he out to kill me?

If you have actual published studies, complete with stats and their sources that demonstrate that fluoride concentrations in water supplies are harmful, put them here. Not estimates, not “suggest that”, not “consistent with” —-actual hard data. IOW real science.

And can you explain why American lifespans have steadily increased over the years, even as fluoride use has become widespread?

As for the observation that bags of sodium fluoride bags warn that it’s toxic, how about sitting down to a nice bag of sodium chloride and eating it? See how long it takes for you to stroke out.

Ever hear the phrase, “the poison is in the dose”?

Obviously not.

Go chase some chemtrails, will you?

Nigel in Santa Barbara

Toothpaste is 1000 ppm fluoride. Fluoridated water is about 4 ppm fluoride, or thereabouts. How could drinking the 4 ppm water POSSIBLY be helping you more than the 1000 ppm being scrubbed DIRECTLY onto your teeth??

Water fluoridation is a scam.

HotScot

honest liberty

Well, that time must come when we disagree with someone. Thankfully its the nature of democracy to do so, without fear of repercussion.

My experience with fluoridated water in the UK is that at 37, 23, and 19 years old, my kids haven’t a filling in their head, nor a tooth extracted.

By the time I was 21 or so, my mouth was full of mercury, in the teeth that weren’t removed.

My wife is a healthcare professional, indeed, she’s the head of a University healthcare department with 50 lecturers, including Phd qualified individuals reporting to her, and she has never heard of a problem with fluoride affecting the pineal gland, otherwise, our family would be drinking bottled water and brushing our teeth with Bicarbonate of Soda.

Our National Health Service (NHS) provides health care to our community free at the point of treatment. Which means that, although we pay through a ‘tax’ (National Insurance) when we walk into a hospital, our healthcare is unconditional.

That brings with it a great deal of scrutiny of the NHS, and were fluoride a problem, believe me, it would be plastered all over the national media.

Simon

Hotscot
I ain’t throwing no hissy fit. I am throwing a party. Pruitt was an evil man. Good riddance.

MarkW

The left defines evil as anything that gets between them and power.

Simon

And the right defines evil as anyone who gets between them and money. Which is why Pruitt was so poplar with those on the right who couldn’t care about the science or the environment. I’m just grateful he got found out before he could do too much more damage.

HotScot

Simon

Please describe to me what’s wrong with money?

Simon

Nothing wrong with money. It’s what the greedy ones sacrifice to get it that causes problems.

HotScot

Simon

Please define greedy.

Chris

HotScot, greedy is buying a house at $100K below market value from a lobbyist who you interact with in your administrative role. http://fortune.com/2018/04/22/scott-pruitt-sweetheart-housing-deal-oklahoma/

HotScot

Chris

A report in the media, about a report in the media, over an alleged issue 15 years ago which, if corrupt, hasn’t been followed up.

Tittle tattle.

Chris

HotScot – report in the media? No, facts. So if something that is corrupt is not followed up with prosecution, you are ok with that. My my my, you have quite the amoral compass.

Simon

Yep I’d say that’s greedy.

MarkW

The left usually defines greedy as having more than they do.

posa

Or as the Bible says it’s “The LOVE of money” that’s at the root of evil.

MarkW

HotScot, what’s wrong with money is that other people have it and Simon doesn’t.

wsbriggs

I thought he was an elm…

Latitude

And the right defines evil…the exact same way the left does
…and we all know the left is so poor

posa

Correct Simon. No one with brains is in favor of heavy metals or carcinogenic compounds in drinking water or the air… this is not a “Leftist position”… but it is opposed by Libertarian fanatics who think it’s the right of the rich and powerful to poison whom they wish to make a buck.

MarkW

So posa, you actually are one of those idiots who believes that any level of contaminant will kill you.

hunter

Simon,
You are so full of schitt you are not even in the ballpark.
Clinton built a 9 figure Tammany Hall racket, selling gov favors ooenly.
Obama raised 9 figures for his pist Presidency hobbies.
Lefty bureaucrats use revolving doors to go suck off $payola at “NGOs” after passing regs to help the same.
Eff off, lying dweeb.

Chris

Hunter, what are the specific govt favors that Clinton sold. Specifics, not generalities.

Simon

Hunter
Thank you for the kind words. But last time I looked Clinton wasn’t any part of the corruption running this country at this time. Pruitt on the other hand has been at the heart of it. Putting him in charge of the EPA was like making Charles Manson the Attorney General.

MarkW

It really is fascinating how the left hates anyone who is more successful than they are.
Then again, given the incompetence demonstrated by most on the left, just about everyone is more successful than they are.

HotScot

Simon

Good for you, enjoy your night and have one on me, although I suspect you’ll choke on it.

Simon

Well thank you very much (re the drink not the choking).

Robert W Turner

Ridiculous. No policy that Pruitt oversaw the undoing of had any noticeable effect on limiting pollution, they were federal land grabs.

posa

Pruitt’s first attack was to cut enforcement of existing regs on acceptable toxins in water and the air… the next step was to go after the underlying legislation protecting the environment. I was around in the Fifties and remember how disgusting and obnoxious it was to get a face full of auto exhaust… in the cold weather it would hang on your clothes and skin…diesel exhaust from buses was especially pernicious… as late as the 80s European cars were still belching out fumes on folks in cafes…

MarkW

The levels being demanded by EPA were far below the levels proven to cause harm.
I’m guessing that you don’t care how much other people are forced to pay, in order to provide imaginary levels of protection to you.

Paul Penrose

The EPA under Obama had pushed the regulatory levels of many substances down to or even below natural, background levels. It is literally impossible to push them any lower. The fact of the matter is that water and air pollution (not including non-pollutants like CO2) are at historic lows in the United States. We are already well into the point of diminishing returns on the cost versus benefit curve. The last couple of decades have been a power & money grab the the EPA; nothing more. You can continue to be a useful idiot if you wish, but when they are done destroying the “rich”, they will come for you next.

philincalifornia

“poison our drinking water”

That one had no hope of catching on. Parrot phrases have to be two words max. The best ones are one word like “climate”, said with great gravitas.

Is there actually anyone out there who believes that an EPA head takes the job so he can poison drinking water?

NickSJ

The left does – that’s a measure of their insanity.

jorgekafkazar

I”m imagining Homer Simplson saying, “Mmmm! Cliiiiiimate!

Jeff Alberts

How about “Mmmmmm! Ozooooone!” You know, cuz it has a hole in it? Get it! Eh? Wot?

MarkW

The dose makes the poison.
The left will only be satisfied with absolute purity of everything. (Except themselves)
There comes a point where further reductions in levels have absolutely no impact on health but a huge impact on budgets.

philsalmon

where further reductions in levels have absolutely no impact on health but a huge impact on budgets.

Indeed; like ionising radiation at doses below ~20 mGy.

Cube

The “elite” will only be satisifed with purity of control. The left will willingly follow along because the slogans make them feel so good about themselves. Their children will suffer the consequences.

posa

How much arsenic would you and your family care to ingest?

Don Perry

Unless you quit eating, you’re ingesting with each meal. It’s a naturally occurring substance in soil and, thus, in plants of all sorts. Found in the ocean, too, so seafood contains arsenic.

posa

But in higher doses it is toxic… so what dose would you prefer over the EPA standards?

MarkW

The levels being proposed by the EPA are orders of magnitude lower than the levels proven to cause harm.

MarkW

From what I’ve read, we are already ingesting it every single day.
As long as it’s below the level that will cause harm, I don’t mind.

Gunga Din

“Poison our drinking water”?
I was first certified by my state’s EPA to treat drinking water in 1985. I’ve held the second highest certification since 1991.
Could you please specify just what “poison” he has allowed in the last year?
(Perhaps you’re thinking of dihydrogen monoxide? He had nothing do with allowing that.)

posa

As noted above Pruitt’s first tact was to cut the budget and staff for enforcement… Understand now?

HotScot

posa

Doubtless too many hangers on.

Gunga Din

Yes, I understand.
I understand that:
1. You can’t name a specific “poison” that Pruitt has allowed in our drinking water.
2. You don’t understand that it is the various states’ “EPAs” that enforce drinking
water regulations. The USEPA only gets involved in cases of gross negligence.
3. You don’t understand that trimming the fat from a bloated bureaucracy is actually
removing “poison” from our Constitutional Republic.
4. You don’t understand what the “poison” in your Kool-Aid has done to your mind.
(But you like it because makes you “feel” right … er …left … er … correct.)

Gunga Din

PS Is cutting things like this out of the USEPA’s enforcement budget a bad thing?
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/ed-feulner/why-did-environmental-protection-agency-spend-14-million-guns

beng135

As noted above Pruitt’s first tact was to cut the budget and staff for enforcement… Understand now?

That’s what you do when something is WAY overstaffed & overpaid.

Chris

“People will get sick and die,” Christine Todd Whitman, who served as EPA administrator under President George W. Bush, told Vox. “It’s that simple.” Some 230,000 Americans already die each year due to hazardous chemical exposures. “You stop enforcing those regulations and that number will go way up,” she said.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/1/29/16684952/epa-scott-pruitt-director-regulations

Graemethecat

“Some 230,000 Americans already die each year due to hazardous chemical exposures”.

You genuinely believe that?

MarkW

He believes what ever he is told to believe.

BTW, those numbers come from models that assume that the Linear No Threshold theory of exposure has been proven.

Chris

What do you think the figure is?

Gunga Din

Chris, almost a quarter million!
Assuming the quote (her quote, not Vox’s take.) is accurate, did she define just what are “hazardous chemical exposures”?
(Ie If you drink water at the MCL for Atrazine, you might get cancer. That is, if you drank 5 gallons (maybe it was 50?) gallons a day every day for 70 years your chance of getting cancer would increase by 1%. )

honest liberty

hey, I voted ya up bud because I’m not stuck in the false left-right paradigm; I don’t need to believe everything that has been routed into political lines. Health isn’t a political party topic, it ought to transcend religious beliefs (pro-fluoride is religious at this point, just like CAGW)

MarkW

I have the same feeling regarding the anti-flouride crowd.

posa

At least someone gets it… but the ideological fanatics seem bent on drinking, eating and breathing toxins… At least the Chinese realize how pernicious these compounds are … but I guess the libertarian party is not very big there

John Dilks

posa, Are these the same Chinese that made the air so good in Beijing or keep putting lead into toys for children?

posa

At least they acknowledge the problem… unlike WUWT readers who are oblivious to toxic compounds and think that their regulation infringes on the “freedom”… crackpot stuff we expect from Libertarians

beng135

posa, I feel sorry for you about your paranoia/obsessions. Prb’ly caused by all those “toxins” and “contaminants” you’re so terrified of….

Graemethecat

So, people are drinking, eating and breathing toxins, yet, inconveniently for you, they are all living longer, healthier lives than ever before in Human history.

MarkW

He’s one of these fanatics who is so scared of his own shadow that he demands government provide absolute security for him, and he doesn’t care how much it costs other people.

PS: He also believes that there is no such thing as a safe level for anything.
If it’s bad, it must be removed. Completely.

Ben of Houston

Wow, given that he didn’t increase my permit limits by a single lb/yr, I’d say you don’t know what you are talking about.

Obama threw out a lot of half-baked regulations that caused a lot of trouble but didn’t actually solve anything. In addition, they wrote regulations that explicitly applied to only one sector and then enforced them on everyone (bypassing the rulemaking process and ignoring the complications that were inherent in other systems).

The result of this is huge amount of additional compliance costs for little to no benefit.
Let’s not get into the scientific ethics that would have caused automatic failure at an elementary school science fair.

posa

Pruitt slashed enforcement… so anything goes… I’m sure hell land on his feet at a certain family business whose name we’re not permitted to mention on this website

HotScot

From over the pond.

What did he do wrong? Expenses scandal is all I know, but plenty have ridden that out.

Or is this tactical? He’s done the dirty work, now a new face to raise socialist hopes, only to be dashed again.

Nor do I think Trump gives a monkeys about expenses or scandal, if the jobs being done, he’s happy. Perhaps I should be asking the question, what didn’t Pruitt do?

EternalOptimist

maybe its more simple. Pruitt decided Pruitt should go.

Sparky

Kitchen is quite hot. If you can’t take the heat,……..

Poor judgement on the little things in the first year shows a lack of political and managerial maturity. Even more confounding given his prior position as a State AG- drunk on DC power koolaide?

Too bad,.. his policy stewardship was correct despite the peccadillos.

Hivemind

He was personally attacked by the green brownshirts a few days ago while trying to have dinner. I think it was probably related.

HotScot

Hivemind

I didn’t see that, not a lot of that stuff gets to us in the UK. What happened? Was it a demonstration or a physical attack?

Either way, surely we are all allowed to have a meal in peace.

Chris

A woman carrying a young child walked over to his table and politely criticized him about how he was weakening enforcement of pollution standards. You can see the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXLIsLLlLIA

That’s hivemind’s definition of a personal attack. Hahahahaha.

HotScot

Chris

So you’re sitting having a meal and are approached by someone, followed by another carrying a camera (or mobile phone) filming the event when the guy is taking a break.

How about your boss comes into your staff canteen when you’re on a lunch break and starts talking business to you, wouldn’t you politely ask if you can finish your meal and that you’ll come up to his office straight after your break?

There are political mechanisms for making objections, raising issues, proposing solutions etc. One of them is to call the office of the person you want to speak to, another is to email, another is to write, and another is to make an appointment to meet.

Trucking up and harassing someone, in a public restaurant, complete with camera, and list of objections, is hardly a reasonable approach.

Chris

So what? Sit there and listen. And that is exactly what Pruitt did. He didn’t interrupt her, he was polite, he handled it exactly the right way. Now, if this was happening on a daily basis, I’d agree with you. But it’s happened, what, once or twice in 18 months?

And making an appointment to meet him being a better approach? Give me a break, there is zero chance Pruitt would have agreed to that.

I talk business all the time during lunch. I talk business over dinners, drinks. It’s not a big deal at all.

HotScot

Chris

How do you know this doesn’t happen on a daily basis. Because it wasn’t recorded and posted on on youtube with a script in hand?

You talking business over lunch is elective, how many times are you approached by strangers with a baby and a cameraman?

Chris

Correct, HotScot, because there aren’t lots of other videos uploaded. And because it’s never been commented on by Pruitt or his staff as being an issue. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

I’m not a public official. If I was, I would expect to be approached. And realistically, I would expect it to be my constituents that were not happy with what I was doing, not those who were happy. So, for example, if I made a ruling that reduced lobster takes in New England to let the numbers recover, I would not expect folks to say “hey, good job on saving the lobster populations.” I’d expect pissed off fishermen to tell me I was costing them their house. It comes with the territory.

HotScot

Chris

The evidence to the contrary is that Pruitt has resigned citing threats to him and his family. I think that’s pretty conclusive.

You would expect to be approached? By whom? Every Tom, Dick and Harry with a gripe? The man wouldn’t get much work done if that were the case.

No clue as to the point you’re making about lobster fishermen. There is a process available to legitimately lodge complains about a political decision. Get in line, why is your complaint more important than everyone else’s?

Typical minority group attitude, jump the queue by whatever means possible.

Simon

He’s (was) a public figure. He has to be accountable for what is does. I thought she was very reasonable.

HotScot

Simon

It was a staged attempt at harassment. Who walks around with a list of issues on the off chance they might meet the head of the EPA?

The passive aggressive nature is evident from her carrying the kid, if it wasn’t for publicity she would have left the brat with the one holding the camera, but no.

Then of course, publishing it on youtube, publicity. Along with all the other indices, a pre planned event.

The inference is that he was stalked by these people, possibly over a number of days to establish his habits.

But that’s forgiveable according to you people because the the conventional means of communicating with a political figure aren’t good enough for you. You deem it perfectly acceptable to stalk, ambush, harass and intimidate a public figure with a pre planned agenda, offering him no opportunity to compose a response.

But what concerns me most is that these are the methods employed by people with more violent intent. What might have been running through Pruitt’s mind when confronted in this manner.

Tom Abbott

It was shown later that the woman is a leftwing political activist, not just your average person on the street.

beng135

Thank you, Tom, and confirms HotScot’s comment above. But any intelligent person would have already correctly assumed that offhand, knowing the marxists’ ubiquitous methods.

Tom Abbott

Yes, one should assume it is orchestrated until proven otherwise. There’s a lot of Leftwing money out there and they love paying for things like this.

HotScot

Tom Abbott

The kid probably wasn’t her’s either!

Tom Abbott

On tv the other day they showed this same woman wearing a t-shirt with a leftwing slogan on the front. The same infant appeared to be with her then, too, so I assume it is her child.

HotScot

Tom Abbott

So the woman is demonstrably using her brat as a political prop.

Very good, how about the right whistles up photographs of dead children the left killed in China and Russia?

That woman and her child are here today because of Capitalism and Democracy. They give her the opportunity to distort the system.

beng135

He has to be accountable for what is does.

Except if you’re a marxist/leftist/social-justice moron/swamp member, then anything is A-OK as long as it’s for the cause.

Cwon14

They’re called Greenshirts.

Philip Schaeffer

How about staying in a DC condo owned by the wife of a lobbyist for a company with business before the EPA, for $50 a night? See what you can find for $50 a night if you think that isn’t accepting a gift.

And now we have claims from a Trump supporting whistle-blower that he was scrubbing records of who he was meeting with and why. I’m pretty sure that’s a federal crime.

Simon

“Nor do I think Trump gives a monkeys about expenses or scandal”
Damned right abut that. Trump probably secretly thought what he did was admirable.
Side issue, can’t wait to see the baby Trump flying over London next week. Be so appropriate if they fill it full of hot air.

HotScot

Simon

Fairly typical of an activist minority group attitude. If you can’t win by fair means, foul is just as acceptable.

Make the democratic majority bend to your will.

Simon

What’s foul about a legal demonstration?

HotScot

Simon

Presenting a caricature of the President of the most powerful nation the world has known as a baby in a nappie is insulting, demeaning of the perpetrators, counter-productive as Brexit is, rightly or wrongly, looming and the UK will need all the friends it can get, and considering Trump has brought N Korea to the negotiating table, which is more than any western politician has done in the last 50 years, frankly, the organisers of this demonstration ought to consider what he has brought to the cause of world peace, despite them howling he was a warmonger.

It’s simply the voice of the vocal minority attempting to overturn democracy. Once again.

Tom Abbott

I saw the Trump balloon this morning. It doesn’t look nearly sinister enough. I thought the socialists considered Trump to be Hitler. No mustache on the Trump balloon, just a diaper.

Hivemind

Remember a few days ago, the green brownshirts attacked Pruitt while he was trying to have dinner. This is probably related.

John D. Smith

My version of a “dream” pick to replace Pruitt would be a PhD in Analytical Chemistry, with extensive experience in administration. What a wonderful thing it would be to have someone who could actually understand chemistry. Pipe dream I know.

HotScot

John D. Smith

This gets back to my constant refrain, that politics is the one place where the common man, with no qualifications, can become POTUS, or PM in the UK.

Calling for educated people to go into politics is folly. Politicians are surrounded by advisers. The wisdom needed, is selecting the right advisor’s. Perhaps that’s why Trump hasn’t appointed a science advisor. Perhaps he doesn’t trust any of them, which goes back to, was it Roosevelt’s speech, which questioned our faith in scientists? (badly put, but I hope you get what I mean).

Politics is about the common man. Electing only educated politicians creates the elite democratic politics was designed to eliminate.

MarkG

No, it was Eisenhower. The left love to repeat his comments on the Military-Industrial complex, but never mention the next few paragraphs in his speech, about the Government-Academic complex. Because they benefit from it.

HotScot

MarkG

Obliged.

DocForesight

There is just such a person in SC or NC who is state EPA administrator. Forgot his name but a worthy consideration for this position.

Yes, Donald van der Vaart would be very close to a “pipe dream” candidate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_van_der_Vaart

My dream would be an engineer with some time in industry, some time in an environmental agency (a state agency might be particularly good), and who belongs to one or more environmental groups. Also a pipe dream I know.

eddie willers

The real threat of taking a bullet from some left wing nutcase is a valid concern
Now I wish Trump would close the office rather than replacing him.

HotScot

eddie willers

I’m as right wing as you can get. But I don’t imagine the murder of a president, or any other elected official, is any more likely to come from his opposition, than it is from his supposed supporters.

A nutter is a nutter.

Simon

As a (mostly) left winger i have to say I agree with you HS. It’s why background checks are needed for all gun purchases. Nutters come in all shades of political affiliation.

Chris

Tell us, eddie, when is the last time a Cabinet member was assassinated in the US?

Phil.

Robert Kennedy comes to mind.

Chris

Phil, he was running for President. That’s different.

MarkW

He’s not a cabinet officer, but Rand Paul was attacked in his yard a few months ago.

beng135

when is the last time a Cabinet member was assassinated in the US?

No need to assassinate anymore — haven’t you noticed your lefties’ tactics lately? Obama perfected it — just weaponize & sic the IRS, the EPA, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, the Unjustice Dept, the media, etc, or simply throw them in jail in solitary confinement. Assassinating is so 1960s, and as Obi-Wan said — “so uncivilized”.

Yirgach

Full text of his resignation letter:

Mr. President, it has been an honor to serve you in the Cabinet as Administrator of the EPA. Truly, your confidence in me has blessed me personally and enabled me to advance your agenda beyond what anyone anticipated at the beginning of your Administration. Your courage, steadfastness and resolute commitment to get results for the American people, both with regard to improved environmental outcomes as well as historical regulatory reform, is in fact occurring at an unprecedented pace and I thank you for the opportunity to serve you and the American people in helping achieve those ends.

That is why it is hard for me to advise you I am stepping down as Administrator of the EPA effective as of July 6. It is extremely difficult for me to cease serving you in this role first because I count it a blessing to be serving you in any capacity, but also, because of the transformative work that is occurring. However, the unrelenting attacks on me personally, my family, are unprecedented and have taken a sizable toll on all of us.

My desire in service to you has always been to bless you as you make important decisions for the American people. I believe you are serving as President today because of God’s providence. I believe that same providence brought me into your service. I pray as I have served you that I have blessed you and enabled you to effectively lead the American people. Thank you again Mr. President for the honor of serving you and I wish you Godspeed in all that you put your hand to.

Your Faithful Friend,

Scott Pruitt

http://freebeacon.com/politics/exclusive-scott-pruitts-resignation-letter/

Latitude

“However, the unrelenting attacks on me personally, my family, are unprecedented and have taken a sizable toll on all of us.”

….and as the left cranks it up even more

I wish he had left that part out…you know how they are going to take it

But the more they crank it up…the more they turn people off to them

stinkerp

“However, the unrelenting attacks on me personally, my family, are unprecedented and have taken a sizable toll on all of us.”

Leftist 101: Harassment, lies, threats, public shaming, social media mob campaigns against you, lawsuits; nothing is beneath them as long as it serves to accomplish their goals. You have to prepare yourself to deal with that if you vocally and actively oppose their agenda.

I had hoped Pruitt would be able to handle it but it’s understandable that he would want to protect his family. Family first.

Mr. Pruitt, you have been the best EPA Administrator the agency has every seen. I hope Wheeler continues your great work.

Simon

“I had hoped Pruitt would be able to handle it but it’s understandable that he would want to protect his family. Family first.”
Correction… Pruitt first, then money, then family.

Chris

Just stop with the family stuff. Trump fired him because Pruitt called too much attention to himself with his financial shenanigans. He didn’t step down, he was fired.

Paul Penrose

Pure speculation on your part, unless you can prove otherwise. Most people would wilt under that pressure, especially with a family on the line. If you had children, you would understand.

rocketscientist

When the attacks shift to Wheeler, will the strategy will be exposed?

Gunga Din

Perhaps Pruitt will head up NASA?

Seriously, Thank you, sir for your service.
Keep swinging from the sidelines.

PS I doubt if the personal abuse you and your’s have had to put up with will end. These people have no heart so they want yours.

John Furst

Thank you Mr. Pruitt. Your efforts to substantiate science, assure costs and benefits are real, and measure effectiveness are real , and hopefully will be sustained by your successor. You gave hope that we can actually protect the environment from the expensive sloganeers. Good job.

Mike Strong

I quit reading the WUWT blog quite a while ago, when, as I recall, Anthony Watts was a supporter of having him get the post at the EPA. That is pretty sad that Mr. Watts might have chosen such in idiot as Pruitt, if I am remembering what Anthony said about wanting Pruitt. This made me lose all faith in Anthony Watts who to me at the time, to be the simple of sober thinking in fighting the various crap about methane and CO2 versus sun cycles and natural variation in climate over the last few million years. If WUWT supported Pruitt, because Pruitt is a skeptic, you did the entire skeptic movement a serious blow by backing a guy that everyone back in his home state knew he is an idiot.
How many more Trump supporters need to resign because they are swamp rats wanting to roll back every environmental regulations that were put in place to at least TRY to fix our Earth. Shovel some more soot and dirty coal my way please.

[“I quit reading the WUWT blog quite a while ago, when, as I recall, Anthony Watts was a supporter of having him get the post at the EPA. ” But, here you are reading again. I don’t think Mr. Watts is the one with the credibility problem. -mod]

Pat Frank

You’re full of it, Mike.

Pruitt ended the horrid abuse of the Waters of the US regulations, ended the use of secret science, ended the science advisory boards that touted their own grant-funded research, and ended the sue-and-settle corruption.

Those accomplishments alone make him the best, most astute, and most honest EPA Administrator ever. EV-ER.

Chris

Pruitt was awful and he will go down in history as awful.

Pat Frank

Unsubstantiated opinion.

Simon

“Pruitt was awful and he will go down in history as awful.”
I think that is an understatement. He will go down as a crook and a charlatan.

Pat Frank

The best among all the crooks and charlatans who preceded him at the EPA, however.

beng135

Mike Strong, suggest you continue NOT reading or posting here. Stick to the Huffing and Puffington Post forums.

You got that right beng135. We can’t tolerate someone that might have an opinion that does not adhere to our precious group-think.

markl

The worse part about this is allowing the Progressive/Left/Socialist machine dictate morals and acceptability standards. It’s the same thing happening with AGW. Don’t like the message? Shoot the messenger and get away with it every time. Character assassination has become their new, and successful, weapon of choice.

Chris

Wrong. This has zero to do with AGW. Trump has not changed his opinion on AGW. This has everything to do with Pruitt’s misuse of taxpayer funds, plus his grandstanding.

markl

You missed the point.

Simon

“Character assassination has become their new, and successful, weapon of choice.”
Says the man who continually assassinates the character those who don’t agree with him here. Hypocrite.

J Mac

The despicable personal attacks on Pruitt and his family by the green shirt enforcers of the socialist left has taken their toll.

Next man up! Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

MarkW

The left wing policy of scorched earth towards anyone who gets in their way is still effective.

The main reason the left didn’t like him was his stand on climate alarmism. It’s incredible how far they pushed their self righteous indignation in support of the green agenda (green-dignation?). And then they complain about the cost of the extra security to protect against the threats to him and his family due only to his desire to be on the right side of the future.

This kind of intimidation for an unpopular position must not pass unchallenged. Imagine what would have happened had this line been crossed before Obama took office. This is ironic considering that it was the Obama administration’s cow towing to green interests providing the illusion of a legitimate cause that set the stage for crossing this line.

Kristi Silber

” cow towing to green interests ” Would that be pastures?

Chris

Hahahahaha.

ralfellis

This was mainly the liberal press trying to persecute and unseat anyone who is associated with Trump. It is a part of their slow-motion coup, to stop anyone of stature working with him. But Pruit was a p.ratt for playing into their hands, and making it easy for them.

R

George Daddis

Don’t forget Maxine Waters explicit instructions to her “faithful” to hound all who are associated with the Trump administration so as to not allow them a moment of peace.
Mad Max has now taken her first head.

It’s a good thing Rep. Waters was criticized by CNN and NPR for that unprofessional incivility!
(Oh, wait…)

Chris

Hilarious – you are contending that the liberal press caused Trump to fire Pruitt. You know, the liberal press that Trump attacks on a daily basis. Yeah, right, Trump is going to take his hiring and firing cues from the press.

Don B

I hope Wheeler is half the reformer Pruitt has been.

Kristi Silber

WooHoo! Away with ye, scoundrel!

…Ach, Andrew Wheeler was a coal industry exec. Just the kinda guy you want protecting the fossil fuel industry (oh, wait, it’s “EPA”, not “CPA”. What the heck???).

Jamus100

Do you have problem with an industry executives in general, or with this one being from coal industry?

Gunga Din

Kristi just has … problems.

Kristi Silber

I don’t have a problem with any kind of executives, coal or otherwise. I don’t think Pruitt or Wheeler are the appropriate men to head the Environmental Protection Agency. The only reason to put them in the position is to negate the Agency’s mission. Why is that so crazy? It’s like putting a pacifist in charge of Department of Defense.

J Mac

“Why is that so crazy?”
You celebrate the threats of violence and intimidation against Scott Pruitt and his family that caused him to resign. The answer to your question is self evident.

‘WooHoo’….

Chris

J Mac, thanks for completely ignoring Kristi’s points. Oh, and he didn’t resign – he was FIRED. Get a clue.

MarkW

It really is fascinating how leftists are able to convince themselves that they know everything about everything.

Chris

Hey, MarkW, then Puritt wasn’t fired, he was a wimp who can’t take criticism. Have it your way, he’s a wimp.

J Mac

‘WooHoo’…. more for Kristi, Jack Davis, Chris, and Simon to celebrate. Another fine democrat threatens to kill Republican Trump supporters and aggressively tries to run one of them over. Hasn’t even been 2 days…
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/07/democrat-man-allegedly-threatened-to-kill-long-island-trump-supporters/

Gunga Din

Negate the EPA’s mission?
How?
Reining in an out of control bureaucracy that had surrendered its mission to NGOs is negating its mission?
Attempting to return it to policy based on hard science rather than trea ring readings and “California Dreamin'” and scare them into supporing “Feel Good” regulations is negating the EPA’s mission?
Let groups like Earth First dictate what is best for us?
Yes, you have a problem.

TonyL

The opposition went all out to destroy Pruitt, even making threats against his family.
Did the opposition not look far enough ahead to consider who his obvious replacement would be? Perhaps the raging hatred on the part of the opposition blinded them.

Pat Frank

For someone who claims to love science, Kristi, you fail your own standard. You have never changed your mind after having been proved analytically wrong.

After looking up Kristi Silber and finding she actually did science, and then observing your refractory and aggressive ignorance here, I begin to wonder whether you’re an imposture who’s hijacked her name.

LOL @ Frank……”imposture”

Pat Frank

What’s so funny, CdL?

Your inability to use the proper word….. “impostor”

Pat Frank

Mindless glee. I’m not surprised.

Well, if you wish to criticize someone for being analytically wrong, please don’t use the wrong English word. Glass houses you know.

Latitude

imposture..the act or practice of deceiving by means of an assumed character or name

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imposture

Posting the definition of the word Pat used doesn’t fix the fact that he used the wrong word.

Latitude

..are you 12 years old?

Latitude….. Frank used the wrong word. He should have used “impostor” instead of “imposture.” One refers to an act, the other refers to a person. There is a significant difference between the two, and in his post he said, “…you’re an imposture ..”
..
Clearly Kristi is not an “act” which your definition implies.

Pat Frank

Mistaken grammar has no analytical impact, CdL. Get your categories straight.

Your objection neither vitiates my criticism of Kristi nor has any substantive content.

Your glee is mindless.

Progress….at least you now conceded you committed an error. Thank you.

You are also mistaken to say, “Mistaken grammar has no analytical impact.” Science depends on precision and the incorrect usage of well defined scientific terms is disastrous.

Pat Frank

This conversation is not doing science, CdL. You’re confusing categories again.

Science, by the way, depends on accuracy. Precision is necessary but not sufficient.

All the precision and accuracy in the world will not fix your grammatical error.

MarkW

Only trolls care so much.

Why do you care MarkW?

Pat Frank

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a small mind, CdL. Good job.

MarkW

A post on a web-site is science?
Since when is impostor a “well defined scientific term”?

MarkW

So a single mis-spelling negates his point?
Are you really that desperate?

Jeff Alberts

Probably just didn’t notice…

beng135

Your inability to use the proper word….. “impostor”

Warning — spelling naz*.

Kristi Silber

What, are you a mind reader? You have no idea whether I’ve changed my mind. If I haven’t changed it as a result of most of the evidence presented here, it’s because I find it weak, poorly reasoned and unscientific. When someone “proves” me analytically wrong, I do change my mind, and indeed I have about some things based on the articles and comments on WUWT (sometimes I do so then find out later that it’s wrong!).

I’m not nearly interesting or accomplished enough that someone would hijack my name.

Pat Frank

When someone “proves” me analytically wrong, I do change my mind…

Great Kristi. So, where’s the error in this, or this (1 MB pdf), or this?

Not one of your citations proves Kristi wrong.

Pat Frank

They not only prove Kristi wrong, CdL, they prove you wrong. And the IPCC.

Pat Frank

And where’s the error in this, this, or this (my DDP seminar on climate models)?

If you want to have a valid scientifically grounded view, Kristi, be prepared to do the work. I’ve done it, as have many others here. Views here at WUWT are generally informed.

After doing the work, my informed view regarding AGW is that no one knows what they’re talking about.

No one in the consensus field seems to have any concept of physical error analysis.

They all assume all the error away, and present their results with an utterly false certainty.

That diagnosis applies to climate modeling, to the air temperature record, and to paleo-temperature reconstruction. That last has no physical basis at all, and as presently practiced does not rise above pseudo-science.

“After doing the work, my informed view regarding AGW is that no one knows what they’re talking about. ”
..
Does “no one” include you? Or are you “special?”

MarkW

I’m beginning to wonder if you are a sock puppet.

Pat Frank

I have no opinion about the effect of CO2 on air temperature, CdL, which removes me from that cohort.

My informed view is that those who claim a connection between CO2 emissions and air temperature don’t know what they’re talking about. That cohort includes you (and Kristi).

Pat Frank

Let’s note that neither CdL nor Kristi Silber rose to the challenge of actually doing the work. It seems that Mr. Lion lacks the Coeur.

beng135

weak, poorly reasoned and unscientific

Project much?

HotScot

Pat Frank

It would appear the thread is infested with unannounced trolls down-voting every comment supporting you.

Unannounced, presumably because they cant spell their own titles.

Pat Frank

Thanks for the support, HS. 🙂

I’m not worried about down-votes. Content shows down-voters to be mindless.

HotScot

Oh look.

Surprise, surprise……..I was down-voted.