Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Pope Francis has asked Oil Executives to a meeting, to come up with a plan to solve climate change and the world’s growing energy needs.
Pope Francis to Discuss Climate Change With Oil Company CEOs
By Kelly Gilblom and John Follain
2 June 2018, 01:28 GMT+10 Updated on 2 June 2018, 03:04 GMT+10
Oil company bosses will travel to the Vatican next week to discuss climate change with Pope Francis.
The meeting will be on June 8 and June 9 at the Casina Pio IV villa in the Vatican, with an audience with the Pope on the second day, according to a spokesman. It is being organized by a department headed by Cardinal Peter Turkson, who helped write Pope Francis’ 2015 encyclical on climate.
“We look forward to the dialogue, and the opportunity to discuss how we can address climate change and opportunities in the energy transition,” a spokesman for Equinor ASA, Norway’s largest oil company, said in an emailed statement on Friday.
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“We’re hopeful that this kind of dialogue can help develop solutions to the dual challenge of managing the risks of climate change while meeting growing demand for energy, which is critical to alleviating poverty and raising living standards in the developing world,” Exxon said in an emailed statement. The company didn’t say if its CEO or senior executives will attend the meeting.
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Can anyone think of a more fanatically green company than Google?
Back in 2014, top Google Engineers gave up on their project to find an economical way to convert the world to renewable energy, after they worked out that even fantasy innovations like self assembling wind turbines failed to make renewables economically viable.
It just can’t be done. There is no zero carbon solution to the world’s energy needs available with current technology, other than the solution greens don’t like to talk about.
If the problem was immoral opposition to renewables for selfish reasons, the Pope’s intervention would make sense. The Pope has substantial influence, many millions of people look to the Pope for moral guidance. But even the his holiness cannot bend the Laws of Physics.
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How is it that so many airheads get into such positions of power and influence?
The gentleman is a chemist by training.
He is also poorly being advised.
Not quite a chemist perhaps – I’ve read that he had a vocational type education if food chemistry. The Pope is uneducated – not that that is bad necessarily but he is given to espouse any Progressive trope – has the ‘mob’ mindset.
The Church mission is the salvation of souls – not eco-politics. It is a very sad time for Catholics – witness the Pope’s abysmal silence on the Irish vote to repeal the amendment that outlawed the tragedy of abortion. We have lived through bad Popes before and the Church will survive this one too.
Vox populi vox dei.
“food chemistry”?
Then he clearly knows that all food contains carbon. Where does the carbon in food come from? The carbon in food can be traced back to atmospheric Carbon Dioxide whence it was extracted during photosynthesis/phytoplankton. CO2 feeds life. It is perhaps the most beautiful unintended consequence, that consuming fossil fuels for energy has increased the base of the food chain for carbon based life forms. This added fuel of life is freely distributed around the globe and is accessible to all. Polar bears, (some) people, porpoises, pumas, and penguins rejoice.
Bergoglio is communist. The first thing he did when he became Pope was visit Cuba and show himself to be quite fríendly with one of the most evil regimes on the planet.
It is worse.than that. He openly supports.groups that hate, percecute and kill Christians while no longer advocating for Christians when they are murdered. At the same time he is turning the church into a new age Gaia religion. If the Church wants green power – maybe the pope can pray to Gaia and get his parishoners to fund the mystical quartz crystal power plants which will save the world.
(Try not to stray from the topic into side issues about religion in general) MOD
This Pope, by embracing the tyrannies in Cuba and Venezuela, shows he actually “cares for the poor” as stage props in his thestrical production.
His enablement of the communist attempt to take over Colombia shows how bizarre and hateful he really is.
So much this. And communism requires a higher level of faith than any traditional religion.
“It is a very sad time for Catholics – witness the Pope’s abysmal silence on the Irish vote to repeal the amendment that outlawed the tragedy of abortion.”
As a YES voter, I am pleased to see the country finally releasing itself from the clutches of religion, Ireland is now very much a modern secular nation.
As it was, foreign influences were curtailed by the government when it become apparent that most of the financial support for the NO campaign was from US religious groups. Foreign interference would not be tolerated (unless it’s from the EU).
It’s sad to see that many other countries are allowing religion to rule their politics, Particularity in the Middle East but also including the US which appears to be heading towards the dark ages in that perspective.
The Pope is unlikely to have any influence on the oil companies as the religion of money will win out.
Phil, under Islam there can be NO separation between government and religion. Only Allah can make law, mere humans can only try to interpret them to the best of their ability.
Phil,
Wow, so much reactionary deception from such a pathetic post.
Hunter:
+1
Needless to say, I find Phil’s joy at the prospect of freedom from the tyranny of religion, based on the Irish’s new capacity to perform infant sacrifice, to be darkly humorous.
I’ve found that when 1st worlders talk about needing to be free from religion, they usually mean being free from morality.
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It really is fascinating how socialists have determined that all religions, except their own are evil.
What’s this religion of money that worries your empty head?
schitzree, they want to be free from other people’s morality.
Unfortunately they are eager to use government to force their own morality on everyone else.
Why would anybody (not to mention oil companies ) listen to a leader of a cult pleading with them to commit economic suicide?
I am sure he knows, that man made climate change is a hoax. It fits in his agenda as well as the islamisation of Europe, which he also promotes. He is a Jesuit!
U.S. Department of State, Dec., 2008
Archived
Background Note: Holy See
Holy See foreign relations: international organizations and UN organizations including UNEP.
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3819.htm
Diplomatic Relations Of The Holy See
Scroll down to: Intergovernmental Organizations and Bodies and International Programmes
Includes UN organizations.
https://holyseemission.org/contents/mission/diplomatic-relations-of-the-holy-see.php
Unfortunately, his holiness fails to see the evil wrapped in benevolence promulgated by those who covet the success of the developed world and want to steal it for themselves without the requisite hard work that got us there in the first place.
Because he is good a politics and it is a political appointment where there are no seats for honesty and truth.
Simple, they wan’t people’s attention but they can’t do real work so they can’t find real jobs. So they look for a job where there is no productivity expectation but people still pay attention to them.
Pope Francisco is a Jesuit. Says it all.
https://www.google.at/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=OawUW9q4C8z4wAKh6ryACA&q=pop+Francisco+Jesuit+&oq=pop+Francisco+Jesuit+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3.
https://www.google.at/search?client=ms-android-samsung&q=pope+Francis+Jesuit&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDnpD-hLnbAhVNalAKHYmNAWkQBQggKAA&biw=360&bih=560
The answer is Fusion power!
It’s only 20 years away, remember?
“Put the sun in a box. A pretty idea. The problem is we don’t know how to make the box.” French Nobel Physics awardee de Gennes.
I like that! I shall remember it for future discussions concerning fantasy energy sources!
We do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell
A protoype, yes, for a teeny, tiny device. Again, magic jumps this from “teeny, tiny device” to “a box to put the sun in”. Scale, demonstrated usefulness, all magically appear.
We’d still be in the trees if we were satisfied with that kind of general criticism.
From the committee that gave Obama the Peace Prize? Seems like that awardee never heard of ITER at Cardache, near Marseille. Nobody ever said it was easy.
What’s needed to transition from finite to sustainable energy?
For those working on how to actually achieve the transition from finite to sustainable energy, the Google report provides good insights.
The Impact of Clean Energy Innovation
Bloomberg sees and projects progress towards that in:New Energy Outlook 2017
“Renewable energy sources are set to represent almost three quarters of the $10.2 trillion the world will invest in new power generating technology until 2040, thanks to rapidly falling costs for solar and wind power, and a growing role for batteries, including electric vehicle batteries, in balancing supply and demand.”
Yes some type of nuclear energy is a probable solution. Solar is existing fusion at a safe distance.
https://www.google.org/energyinnovation/The_Impact_of_Clean_Energy_Innovation.pdf
https://about.bnef.com/new-energy-outlook/
Renewables are an egregious mistake responding to misinformed subsidy. It is not simply a matter of increased cost. The energy consumed to design, manufacture, install, maintain and administer renewables exceeds the energy they produce in their lifetime. Without the energy provided by other sources, renewables could not exist. They can only exist now because fossil fuels are still used to power industry, heat our homes, power nearly all vehicles, power farming, etc.
Dan Pangburn Why make such blanket inflamatory statements without evidence? Yes biofuels such as ethanol have marginal Energy Return on Energy Investment (EROI). However even in Switzerland shows 7 to 10:1 EROI for Photovoltaics. In favorable conditions this may rise to 100:1. See:
“Energy Return on Energy Invested (ERoEI) for photovoltaic solar systemsin regions of moderate insolation: A comprehensive response” 2017 . https://bit.ly/2JeFw1X
See: Solar-PV energy payback and net energy: Meta assessment
of study quality, reproducibility, and results
harmonization. Kopellear 2017 https://bit.ly/2sH9V1M
PS See critique of Weissbach. http://rameznaam.com/2015/06/04/whats-the-eroi-of-solar/
To make their products look better, promotors of PV (and other renewables) apparently don’t consider all of the energy involved in their production, installation, maintenance, administration, disposal or recycling at end-of-life, and replacement. Invariably they do not account for the stand-by capacity to support the load when their equipment lacks sufficient output.
The fallacy of renewables is revealed with simple arithmetic.
5 mW wind turbine, avg output 1/3 nameplate, 20 yr life, electricity @ur momisugly wholesale 3 cents per kwh produces $8.8E6.
Installed cost @ur momisugly $1.7E6/mW = $8.5E6.
Add the cost of energy storage or standby CCGT for low wind periods. Add the cost of land lease, maintenance, administration.
Solar voltaic and solar thermal are even worse with special concern for disposal and/or recycling at end-of-life (about 15 yr for PV).
The dollar relation is a proxy for energy relation. Bottom line, the energy consumed to design, manufacture, install, maintain and administer renewables exceeds the energy they produce in their lifetime.
Without the energy provided by other sources renewables could not exist.
A demonstration of the fallacy of renewables is a comparison of utility rates vs percent of renewables. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/03/obama-may-finally-succeed
Dan Pangburn Look at the peer reviewed references I listed and show me what has been left out. Your link only shows that electricity prices are increasing with current ind/solar – because of lack of cost effective energy storage. PS How are we not currently dependent on stored solar energy? aka fossil fuels?
In general, it appears that little attempt is made to account for amount of indirect energy consumed such as energy required for transportation of employees or manufacture the products they use, energy required in producing, heating, cooling housing for employees, energy consumed by employees for entertainment, recreation and food. Practically impossible to ascertain directly such energy costs are comparatively easy to determine using the proxy of money.
Assessments such as what you linked are very misleading. So called renewables are not sustainable. They can only be made to look good now by ignoring the indirect energy now essentially all provided by fossil fuels.
Something different will be needed when fossil fuels eventually run out.
Dan Pangburn. Try actually reading the article I referenced. Note that they DO include “extended” system boundaries, so your assertions are without evidence and refuted by the peer reviewed literature. e.g.
“based on the arguments and numbers presented in this paper are, respectively, EROI≈9–10 (when adhering to widely adopted ‘conventional’ system boundaries as recommended by the IEA (Raugei et al., 2016)) and EROIEXT≈7–8 (when instead adopting ‘extended’ system boundaries that also include the energy investments for service inputs such as ‘project management’ and insurance).”
Raugei, M., Sgouridis, S., Murphy, D., Fthenakis, V., Frischknecht, R., Breyer, C., Bardi, U., Barnhart, C., Buckley, A., Carbajales-Dale, M. and Csala, D., 2017. Energy Return on Energy Invested (ERoEI) for photovoltaic solar systems in regions of moderate insolation: A comprehensive response. Energy Policy, 102, pp.377-384.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421516307066
https://ac.els-cdn.com/S0301421516307066/1-s2.0-S0301421516307066-main.pdf?
None are as blind as those who refuse to see.
As to ‘peer review’ there is this quote, available in Wikipedia, by Richard Horten, editor of the Lancet “But we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccountable, incomplete, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant, occasionally foolish, and frequently wrong.”
Is Catholicism morphing into the Climate Change Religion? Or is the Pope simply hedging his bets?
The metaphor that comes to mind is that of a ship being sailed into the rocks with Pope Francis at the helm, eyes closed to the real danger as he dreams away.
If the Pope wants a miracle, rather than talking to Exxon and oil company execs, oughtn’t he talking to God?
Maybe he doesn’t believe in God.
Asking companies to remove hydrocarbons from their portfolio is like asking Vegas casinos to stop gambling.
Just ain’t gonna happen!
The oil companies have been working on alternative fuels for at least 50 years, using the brightest scientists and engineers and it hasn’t happened yet.
Does the Pope have any ideas or is he just a fool?
Like all well known climate change zealots (british royalty,hollywood “stars”, leftist politicians, activists) – the latter.
Don’t know if that fits this Pope’s dogma, but at leadt he should consider the limitations placed on us by mom and dad – Mother Nature and Father time.
He hasn’t a prayer.
The self-assembling wind turbines idea failed because the greedy assemblers union were in cahoots with the greedy turbine manufacturers to save their jobs and keep prices and profits high.
NL,
Are you a mathematician who uses the Tom Lehrer method? Geoff
No, but I do use an old Vladivostok telephone directory as an index for my research.
(Seriously Geoff, in over 10 years, you’re the first to have remarked about the name.)
Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky was his name! My daughter wrote a term paper in high school on NIL and his geometry. It tickled me no end.
Sad end. “He was dismissed from Kazan university in 1846, ostensibly due to his deteriorating health: by the early 1850s, he was nearly blind and unable to walk. He died in poverty in 1856.” Wiki.
That was part of an assembly of songs we played with mostly now deceased camping buddies in Big Bend National Park, beginning and ending with a little William Tell Lone Ranger. In between were similar types, including an old Dutch sea shanty, best played in the wild with a little sip per song, first time helped with a roaring wind. We called it the Wolf Tape from recorded calls at the start, but none came.
How sad to see the head of one religion get snarled up in the machinations of another, yet again.
It should take only a few hours of discussing the facts to explain to the Pontiff how lucky his flock (and most people living on Planet Earth for the last 250 years) have been to have had access to coal, oil & gas! That’s the dialogue Exxon & any others oil company folks ought to be having at the Vatican!
Amen to that.
+10
…explain to the Pontiff how lucky his flock…have been to have been to have had access to coal, oil, & gas!
I don’t believe in luck. So I would suggest to the Pope that this is Providence, looking him in the face.
Ever since “Laudatio Si” author Potsdam Climate Institute Dr. “John” Schellnhuber, knighted by the Queen personally in 2014 in Berlin, as Commander of the Order of the British Empire, after all herself the head of another Church, Gaia has a foothold in the Vatican.
As ex-Pope Benedict wrote recently, that ship has taken on so much water it is capsizing.
The head of the Church of England spotted John as the best way to subvert that other Church.
This is the result of Prince Philip’s Alliance for Religion and Conservation (ARC) headed as the WWF Religion and Conservation Network by Martin Palmer.
It is indeed a miracle that goes unnoticed at WUWT.
Nor indeed in Germany where that “Great Transformation” of “John” is paraded to the world, which is not listening.
Dr. Schellnhuber CBE got the title in 2004, was dumped as Science Advisor by Chancellor Merkel in 2014 when his bizarre views became public. Still, with his stated optimum population of under 2 billion, he authored the Pope’s Laudatio Si.
There are warnings that eventually some believers would turn from the faith and promote a new, false gospel. Pope Francis and the small clique enabling him seem to habe seen that not as a warning but rather a great suggestion.
Don’t worry, Catholicism has suffered through outright heretical popes and evil popes before, so a goofy, Jesuit pope should not do *too* much damage.
A CBE is not a knighthood, so he was not “knighted” by the Queen.
Okay, dubbed then. Much of a muchness….
Sorry to butt in here, but on my Windows7/Chrome machine, I cannot lose the wordpress url. I’ve cleared browser history and flushed dns, but I cannot get to wattsupwiththat.com.
Install a version of Linux.
Indeed, that is the best way to go.
I had that problem. In my case, I used a bookmark to Willis’ post list which didn’t default to wordpress, used it to go to wattsupwiththat.com, and then created a new bookmark.
I can bookmark pages on wattsupwiththat.com/childpage, but if I then click on wattsupwiththat.com home, I still go to the wordpress site. I was getting tired of this site anyway.
Clear your cookies. If you can choose manually, just clear all the WordPress ones. You’ll have to login again, but the problem should be gone, and it won’t affect your other sites that way. I cleared mine for the past week, because I was impatient. 😛
On my samsung galaxy 10.1 android tab I cleated my cache of cookies and browsing history which solved the problem but note that on that system it was necessary to change the default last 24 hours to “all time” when clearing the cache.
I was struck by the fact that Pope Francis’ 2015 encyclical on climate does not have a single reference to rain. The Bible however has over a hundred references to rain. The Book of Job – possibly the oldest book in the Bible that goes back nearly 4000 years – has some astonishing references to observations made about rain. Job 38 stands out
Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
that a flood of waters may cover you?
Can you send forth lightnings, that they may go
and say to you, ‘Here we are’?
. . .
Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
Or who can tilt the waterskins of the heavens,
when the dust runs into a mass
and the clods stick fast together?
Jesus makes an extraordinary demand of his followers in his Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:44-45)
“Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.”
The Encyclical simply ignores the words “and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.”
If God is indeed the sovereign, all powerful Creator as the Christian Scriptures teach, who gives sunshine and rain, then why would anyone who believes Jesus ignore his words. Why would he or she ignore what Job declares and turn to feeble, limited human powers and somehow think that they can change the climate? Rain is absolutely central to climate conditions – no PhD in climate science is needed to recognize this. Why then is Pope Francis not considering these teachings and exposing human arrogance and pride? Both the Book of Job and words of Jesus surely call for great humility when it comes to considering the alarming claims made in the climate debate or lack of debate.
The Pope is too busy deceptively interpretting scripture to rationalize hateful immigration policies and hiring anti-Catholic danatics to write lies about climate and the environment.
My father, a priest, used to quote the following piece of doggerel.
The rain it raineth every day upon the just and unjust fellas, but chiefly upon the just because the unjust steal the just’s umbrellas!
This communist pope needs to keep his nose out of other peoples business.
It’s his diversion from other perversions.
Of course he can!
Faith can move mountains!
He’s not just any old Cnut you know!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_tide
No, he can’t, but his boss can, but won’t, because he or she doesn’t exist.
…..sigh…..
I am now officially an estranged Catholic.
Nobody ever promised you a good pope. If faith were easy, it wouldn’t be valuable.
My grandmother was a devoured Catholic, always telling her grandchildren stories about the miracles performed by the saints, visiting holy shrines in Palestine, Rome & France (Lourdes) when she could afford an overseas holiday, attending church services religiously.
But even she didn’t listen to anything any Pope had to say. I can’t recall her mentioning the Pope ever. Nor can I recall a single word about any Pope, or anything they had to say, during around 10 years of Catholic schooling.
In fact, I’m not sure I would even be aware that such a title–Papa–existed at the top of the Catholic hierarchy, were it not for the celebrity status conferred by the mainstream media parading him around like any equally irrelevant member of the British Royal family.
So I don’t understand why you would feel “estranged”. Welcome to mainstream Catholicism. 🙂
I hope “devoured” is autocorrect gone wrong.
“devoured” should make for a more interesting story.
Consumed by her religion, my late grandmother was indeed a devoured Catholic.
But I excepted Jesus as my personal savior.
It’s called argumentum ad homonym in Latin, not auto-correct.
Everybody in my family liked Pope John Paul II because he helped bring down communism. Nowadays they discuss what a disgrace is this new Pope. I have an aunt who is into visiting nuns, and used to donate a lot to the church, but she stopped doing it about a year ago.
This Pope is arrogant, seeks the enslavement of billions, supports a false gospel, protects pedophile priests, and supports tyrants.
I will stay estranged.
Hey Hunter, have you considered Lutheranism? No Pope, and as I understand it, you guys eventually agreed to most of the stuff ol’ Martin Luther was complaining about anyway.
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In the Pope’s defence, he is one of the few who have actively worked to reduce poverty. That said, people read whatever they want to hear into what he says. link
the day the church puts money into the collection plate and passes this out to the faithful we will witness a true miracle.
I posted a reply to ferdberple which appears farther down.
It appears that comments won’t properly follow threads unless Java Script is enabled in the browser. Comments by others make me think that the WUWT website behaves differently on different browsers.
The problem may be that the website isn’t standards compliant. You can validate a website with this tool. WUWT throws a bunch of errors and then crashes out on an unrecoverable error.
That would explain a lot.
Standards are a good idea in theory. But when Microsoft helped develop them and then basically said “these standards are for you proles and not us”, they were pretty much doomed.
Indeed.
Microsoft doesn’t play well with others.
Standards are great. That’s why everyone has their own.
This antic is called Embrace and Extend or <Steal and Isolate Your Stupid Customers
Lemme tell you, M$oft never developed ANYTHING. When they couldn’t outright buy it, they ripped off and stole as much as they could get away with. Apple is also not without blame. The user interface was copied from the Xerox Star and the underlying OS is BSD. Neither company has ever given anything back to the development community except a lot of grief.
Oh, I’m no fan of Microsoft, Yirgach. Don’t get me wrong. I work in a MS-based dev shop, and our ops manager is one of the biggest fanboys I’ve ever personally met. Conversations with me about their products usually contain some variation of someone saying to me, “Don’t hold back, Keen. Tell us what you really think!” They’re the main reason for the proper lack of computer security anywhere, and their business (and software) antics are downright fascistic, which BG is trying to whitewash through his charitable foundation.
But…MS is/was part of the W3C and did provide funding. They just don’t think they need to follow the standards.
Every church that I have been ever involved with spends most of it’s money serving the poor.
The Pope’s “environmental” position creates more poverty, hunger and death…and environmental destruction.
No, by supporting climate imperialism and environmental extremists, he demonostrates that he depises the poor.
By supporting left wing tyrants, he not only desoises the poor but wishes to increase their numbers and enslave them.
Greenpeace sued…
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/31/lawsuit-against-greenpeace-raises-freedom-speech-concerns
This on the heels of a lawsuit by environmentalist against Chevron that backfired horribly against the environmentalists.
Off topic, but that is a pretty ripe article; hilarious really. It needs its own thread.
In the immortal words of Lance Corporal Jack Jones: they don’t like it up ’em.
Wow, the NGO’s position is they can do anything to anyone with no accountbility. Eff ’em
Well, they’ve been getting away with it for decades. It’s just so unfair that anything should change now.
I don’t think they understand what “freedom of speech” means. Also, sauce for the goose.
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but aren’t SLAPs, aka hauling companies into court to spend billions and waste years, pretty much standard operating procedure for enviro’s? Isn’t that HOW they usually fight pipelines and whatnot?
The Irony of Greenpeace of all groups claiming they need special protection from Lawfare burns hotter then the sun.
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I wonder if the visiting oil execs will do their homework and prepare a few questions after reading this :
“Praise be to you, my Lord, through our Sister, Mother Earth, who sustains and governs us, and who produces various fruit with coloured flowers and herbs,”
After all they all probably saw Jennifer Lawrence’s movie “mother” made around the same time as Laudato Si.
That encyclical’s Cardinal Turkson called on South Africa to suspend its 9.6GW nuclear program “in the name of the poor”.
Oil companies don’t have to go to Rome. Let’s see what outcome of this will be.
“But even the his holiness cannot bend the Laws of Physics.”
Robert Anton Wilson’s quip states:
If A is greater than B, and B is greater than C, then A is greater than C, except where prohibited by law.
German alarmist Hans Joachim Schelnhuber is the climate adviser to the pope.
Has he considered prayer?
That is all that can beat natural change.
He doesn’t seem to engage in prayer as much as past Popes. It’s kind of disturbing. I keep waiting for him to maybe wake up and talk about God and prayer, but not much luck so far.
Popes and science don’t mix. Ask Galileo.
Claim: Massive fields of offshore wind turbines to save Florida from hurricanes…
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wptv.com/2604771776/could-wind-turbines-protect-florida-from-hurricanes-.html
Um, how about parting the sea. That will stop feeding the hurricane and qualify as a miracle!
The crazy never stops, does it?
Well,the Church has a history of ignoring science and the Pope is in good company. Galileo is likely the one most will recall. It’d be interesting for one of the oil folks to point that out at their meeting.
“If the problem was immoral opposition to renewables for selfish reasons, the Pope’s intervention would make sense. The Pope has substantial influence, many millions of people look to the Pope for moral guidance. But even the his holiness cannot bend the Laws of Physics. ”
He can tame the laws of physics. But only for a limited time, like a night at the wedding of Canaan. He needs miracles for it. And those miracles have not existed for over 2000 years.
It would be worth wondering why it should come now, when the new Argentine pope would demand this miracles from God. There are always miracles, but not such. The miracle of love or birth, for example, that’s enough..
WAPO blames conservatism for…get this…the demise of the Pueblo…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/06/01/conservatism-took-hold-here-1000-years-ago-until-the-people-fled/
Hmmm, maybe they should examine Southern California for the ‘exodus’ of folks there….due to…. liberalism.
I watched a recent 60 minutes interview with the Pope. He is not afraid to speak his mind and does have a sense of and enjoys. humor.
WAPO is a self parody worthy of The Daily Onion.
Bezos and his fellow American oligarchs are the ones we should be concerned with.
I wonder how this article’s premise aligns with, say, Venezuela, Mexico, Cuba, N Korea and other “progressive” paradises?
Bezos is mostly libertarian. When he bought WaPo he had to pledge not to interfere with its editorial side. His motive was to show of his digitization chops and business acumen. (His background was as a genius programmer.)
Then why does he not fix the fake news side.
“Then why does he not fix the fake news side.”
I should have been more specific than “editorial.” He agreed not to touch the content side, which in newspaper parlance comes under the heading “editorial,” but only the business side.
Pop Francis needs to be a bit more inclusive in his meetings. If emissions could lead to dangerous climate change and corporations are largely responsible (not the consumers who burn the stuff), why not include coal and gas corporations as well?
More pertinently, why only investor-owned corporations? Has the Pope invited leaders from Gazprom, Aramoco, China Coal, India Coal, Iranian National Oil Corporation, or PEMEX?
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change
Pope Francis, it seems only has the guts of a typical leftist:
Only pick on corporate targets, other Christians or conservatives. Never go after real thugs, tyrants or Mulims.
More relevently, as the head of the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope should be reaching out to the unsaved and helping the poor. Shutting down, or restricting Western oil companies, will do next to nothing towards that aim, but will make some of the Catholic flock poorer to the benefit of non-Christians in the Middle East, India and China. Most of the core climate faithful are non-Christian, and ultimately have values and beliefs about the World that are non-Christian.
“We’re hopeful that this kind of dialogue can help develop solutions to the dual challenge of managing the risks of climate change while meeting growing demand for energy, which is critical to alleviating poverty and raising living standards in the developing world,”
That is not a dual challenge, the main climate change risk is cooling and affordable energy is essential to cope with that. Even in the unlikely event of warming, affordable energy can counter the few disadvantages of that.
I would much rather the Pope encourage appreciation of God the Father for all the wonderful fossil fuels He has provided mankind. In all metrics I’ve seen, fossil fuels are directly responsible for having lifted mankind up from the drudgery of hard labor, from life expectancy of about 48 years, and to ever record breaking crop yields that feed the world.
An analogy for the Pope: A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.
Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.”
The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.”
So the rowboat went on. Then a motorboat came by. “The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.” To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the motorboat went on. Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.” To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the helicopter reluctantly flew away. Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!” To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?”
FOSSIL FUELS!
I give up……..
The build-out of planet Earth will proceed with petroleum distillates at the front. As time goes by and affluence brings stability to populations and infrastructure, nuclear will reappear, and the panels and pinwheels will be relegated to distant, isolated rural enclaves. #500ppm