Monday Mirthiness – climate cluelessness comes full circle @ClimateNexus

In the beginning, 30 years ago, in June 1988, it was “global warming has begun” as portrayed by Dr. James Hansen.

Then later, “climate change” became the universal buzzword to make it easier to blame anything and everything on “climate change” and not just the original global warming premise, which isn’t panning out.

Now, hilariously, it’s come full circle according to the alarmistas at Climate Nexus.

Yes, that’s right folks, climate change drives global warming!

The stupid, it burns.


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June 25, 2018 10:30 am

It doesn’t matter what Gang Green calls it. ‘Cuz that’s not what it’s about.

M____ S____
Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
June 25, 2018 10:49 am

Exactly. One centralized world government has been a “solution” looking for a problem for a long time, and the greater the centralization the greater the hold on power abusive politicians maintain.

Reply to  M____ S____
June 26, 2018 8:00 pm

U.S. Department of State

Archive: Climate Change

4th Session of the Conference of the Parties Buenos Aries, Argentina, November 2-13, 1998

Documents on: Remarks, Factsheets and References

Select any item on the menu.

Reply to  Barbara
June 27, 2018 2:45 pm

World Bank Blogs

Dirk Forrister, now President and CEO of the International Emissions Trading Association (IETA), Geneva, Switzerland.

Re: 4th Conference of the Parties, Nov.2-13, 1998, Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Mark from the Midwest
June 25, 2018 10:34 am

Is a tautology tautological or is it the other way around?

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
June 25, 2018 11:56 am


Shanghai Dan
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
June 25, 2018 12:34 pm

That depends upon what the meaning of is, is.

Reply to  Shanghai Dan
June 26, 2018 6:57 am

Or what the meaning of is was.

Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
June 25, 2018 3:18 pm

Always thought ‘taut ology’ described a retired professor !!!

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
June 25, 2018 4:35 pm

Mark from the Midwest
Is a tautology tautological or is it the other way around?

A tautology IS tautological AND the other way round is TRUE too:

– A tautology GIVES tautological.

– tautological GIVES A tautology.

JB Say
Reply to  Mark from the Midwest
June 25, 2018 9:19 pm

Both and/or neither

June 25, 2018 10:37 am

That’s the real positive feedback loop. Global warming causes climate change, which in turn causes global warming which fuels more climate change, and so on.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
June 25, 2018 12:02 pm

I rather think that Climate is not a real thing at all, but an analytical construct used to group and characterize a multi-dimensional related set of measurable meteorological values.

Reply to  Steven Fraser
June 25, 2018 1:09 pm

Nicely out.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Steven Fraser
June 25, 2018 2:27 pm

Climate is more of a typical range of conditions for a specific location. Noting of course that values outside of the typical are possible, and will happen infrequently.

Creating a single value, like temperature, for the whole planet that ranges from -98C to 50C is ridiculous in the extreme and tells you nothing about the climate or conditions at any location on the planet.

June 25, 2018 10:44 am

One problem was not enough.

The more problems the better, and so we have to have a word that can encompass as many problems as possible. “Global Warming”, then, logically (he he) has been too limiting.

I think “climate change” is equally limiting. There certainly must be other phrases that allow for even MORE problems to be worried about caused by humans.

Let’s see, what are some candidates:

* Earth Change
* World Change
* Evolution (making a common word mean something alarming)
* Transformation (same as above)

Well, I haven’t really nailed it yet. Help me out here.

Peter Plail
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 10:47 am

Global climate armageddon?

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Peter Plail
June 25, 2018 11:07 am

I like that. I’m surprised that Hansen didnt come up with that term. The question now is when is global climate armageddon supposed to happen? Give us a date please?

Reply to  Alan Tomalty
June 25, 2018 11:49 am


Bryan A
Reply to  Ve2
June 25, 2018 12:12 pm

Perhaps 12-21-2012

Reply to  Bryan A
June 25, 2018 12:40 pm


Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  MarkW
June 25, 2018 2:30 pm

It happened back in 10-01-1001. We are the children of the apocalypse.

Reply to  Alan Tomalty
June 25, 2018 4:12 pm

Um, it happened last year, but no one paid any attention.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 11:05 am

Global Climate Dysfunction. Because we “broke” the climate.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 25, 2018 11:21 am

environmental transformative unstable metamorphosis

Reply to  Gil
June 25, 2018 2:43 pm

I like how that rolls off the tongue.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 11:21 am

I’ve got it ! — Anthrogeddon

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 11:59 am

Robert, you’re very close… I think you meant Anthropogeddon. 😉

Reply to  JMichna
June 25, 2018 3:01 pm

How ’bout Peak Human Gullibility? Kinda like that one . . .

Reply to  Goldrider
June 25, 2018 4:39 pm

That’s pretty good too, because we could shorten it to PHG and get rid of all those cumbersome, extra letters. And people could just start using it, having forgotten what it really means, even when it insults them — that doesn’t matter — it’s three letters that could be deformed over time to mean whatever we wanted, … as long as it’s something bad that is the fault of human beings.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 4:58 pm

For PHG to be really effective, we need to determine how PHG should be pronounced. How about “pug”?

Reply to  RicDre
June 26, 2018 6:59 am


Reply to  JMichna
June 25, 2018 4:34 pm

“Anthropogeddon” is probably a slightly better choice in the specific context, but “anthrogeddon” is one syllable shorter, which is more marketable to today’s general reader.

I know where you were coming from, I think — from “anthropogenic global warming”, where the “anthropo” part seems well solidified in meaning to be associated with environmental change by humans, which might make it a bit too restrictive still. That’s why I chose the one-syllable-less version that has the more general association with ANYTHING human.

It’s very important that we get the shortest possible word or phrase packed with the most general meaning. We’ve got to get that POW factor, and I think “anthrogeddon” has more POW. Forget linguistic accuracy or contextual relevance — it’s all about the mere suggestion of such things, overshadowed by a more mindless POW factor.

This is a very important discussion. /sarc

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 27, 2018 2:45 pm

Are WE the POW’s to which/whom you are referring? I realize many are ‘captivated’ by all this Climate Change talk.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 4:14 pm

I kind of like “control freaks’ heads exploding contribute largely to climate instability and meteorological volatility”.

Or is that too long?

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 11:23 am

Post Industrialization Stress Syndrome (PISS) (as with PTSD- no clear diagnostic criteria)

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 12:04 pm

Climate Dysphoria

Bryan A
Reply to  Steven Fraser
June 25, 2018 12:13 pm

Climate Pessimism

Fred Brohn
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 1:07 pm

Ga Ga Gaia?

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 3:00 pm

The answer is to put on a sweater. Or take it off. Or clip your Aussie Shepherd. Or drink more beer.

David John Charles
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 3:31 pm

The Ever-Present Absence of Climate Conformity?

Reply to  David John Charles
June 25, 2018 6:18 pm


Reply to  MarkW
June 25, 2018 6:19 pm

It’s enough to make one vomit.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 11:36 pm

Pandemic Anthropophagia/Anthrophagia

Because to rabid enviros, the planet has a disease, and it is us.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
June 25, 2018 11:43 pm


son of mulder
June 25, 2018 10:45 am

How about “Global warming driven by chaotic climate change, in the future global cooling will be driven by chaotic climate change”?

June 25, 2018 10:48 am

Climate Change also affects people’s morals. The proof is all around. Until we stop using fossil fuels our morals will continue to decline until we reach the pits of hell. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

Richard Patton
Reply to  markl
June 25, 2018 4:11 pm

You forgot to put the [/sarc]

Reply to  markl
June 25, 2018 11:44 pm

The road to hell is paved with solar panels and lined with windmills. 🙂

June 25, 2018 10:54 am

Who are these people?

With backgrounds spanning science, journalism, government, public affairs, corporate sustainability, consulting, policy and filmmaking, our team brings these diverse skills to partners in the science, business, public health, environmental and policy fields. link

I went to their team page. There sure are a lot of them, too many to look at all their BIOs. I looked at the three top executives … no scientists there. I also checked the researchers … no science degrees there either.

I have a clue for these folks. Just because you once worked in an organization that may also have employed scientists, that doesn’t mean that you can claim to understand science.

I also have a clue for the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors … you’re wasting your money.

Reply to  commieBob
June 25, 2018 11:11 am

“Just because you once worked in an organization that may also have employed scientists, that doesn’t mean that you can claim to understand science.”

This reminds me of a manager of Information Technologies I once worked for who was put in charge of the department because as a lawyer, he had once used a computer. Its amazing how much damage that sort of person can inflict on an institution in a very short time. I could only take 6 months of his “management”, then moved on to greener pastures.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  commieBob
June 25, 2018 2:40 pm

skills in:
science: Good what science? Not gender studies I hope.
journalism: I see, not much skill there.
government: How did this even get a mention?
public affairs: Same, who cares? What skills do you have?
corporate sustainability: I’ve met some of these people, they make it up as they go along.
consulting: Um, this one is just so… wrong.
policy: I could write policy, as could anybody. This says nothing.
filmmaking: Useful for publicising, but not a good research background.

My God, between the lot of them, they wouldn’t have a clue.

John F. Hultquist
June 25, 2018 10:59 am

. . . wait for the arrival of someone named Godot who never arrives . . .

Waiting for global warming or climate change is about like Beckett’s play Waiting for Godot.
I look out the window and see Ponderosa Pines on the hills. They were there last year, and the year before that. Some were there 100 years ago, also. The Palm tree I planted died.

Salvatore Del Prete
June 25, 2018 11:03 am

As I have said if a cooling trend starts which appears to be happening and continues going forward AGW theory will be destroyed. It is already having a hard time being accepted by many .

If one has conviction that AGW theory is a scam and that solar is the climate driver then this is the time to call for the climate to transition.

So many will not commit to a climate prediction they put if off or just approach the subject so gently. Maybe they have to much to loose if wrong, maybe that is the reason.

I have been EXTREMELY bold. I guess I will be either swimming or sinking with my prediction.

I have plainly said year 2018 is the transitional year for the climate and it cools going forward from here.

The solar criteria is in and on top of that the geo magnetic field is enhancing the solar effects. If it does not happen now – next few years ,(global cooling to some degree) it is not going to happen any time soon in my opinion and AGW will live on forever.

It is so apparent that just about all of the warming from 1850-2017 is natural in nature.

This is as they say the climate test, and it really is this time.

Reply to  Salvatore Del Prete
June 25, 2018 11:41 am

I don’t want to piggy-back on your prediction, so I’ll take 2019.

I don’t predict the extreme lows that we had 40 years ago … My grandkids will not be walking home from school on the creek or skating on the pond.

But I will say that the an inflection point will show up through the next 5 years (unless a new form of measurement is established).

Reply to  DonM
June 25, 2018 12:02 pm

Re “an inflection point will show up through the next 5 years (unless a new form of measurement is established)”… rather than a “new form of measurement” it’ll probably be yet another “adjustment” to the data.

Reply to  JMichna
June 25, 2018 4:04 pm

… that’s kinda what I meant

Reply to  Salvatore Del Prete
June 25, 2018 11:55 am

It will never happen, because the warmists will always monkey with the data to make the past appear colder than it really was, and the the present to appear warmer than it really is. Then they can control the future, unless they are exposed and discredited.

Reply to  Salvatore Del Prete
June 25, 2018 1:59 pm

Salvatore, you were predicting imminent global cooling back in 2010. I quote: “7. THIS WILL BE THE DECADE OF GLOBAL COOLING, THE DECADE OF INCREASE GEOLOGICAL ACTIVITY, THE DECADE OF WEATHER EXTERMES.

8.Years 2011 and 2012 ,will have cooler temp. then 2010.”

And: “Again ,I have my predictions, which I have made, as long as 2 years ago , which I once again put on my previous post.

I would say up to this point, I have every reason to be very confident.”

So in 2010 you said it would be the decade of global cooling. Now you’re saying “it really is this time” in 2018.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Chris
June 25, 2018 6:24 pm

“Wait’ll next year!”

Reply to  Roger Knights
June 25, 2018 10:09 pm

This time is different! This time I really, really REALLY mean it!

Reply to  Salvatore Del Prete
June 27, 2018 2:55 pm

lol “too much to lose”

June 25, 2018 11:28 am

i lolled.

J Mac
June 25, 2018 11:38 am

The circular ‘path-o-logic’ is awesome! Correlation and causation, in one never ending ‘Do Loop’!

A logical person would recognize the problem and hit ‘esc’, ‘ctrl-alt-delete’, or reboot….. before deleting that rubbish from the program.

June 25, 2018 11:38 am

Schhhhpluck! Thats the sound of CAGW going full head up arse.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  MattS
June 25, 2018 12:06 pm

Personal recursion.

Clyde Spencer
June 25, 2018 11:56 am

And here I thought that it was Global Warming that was supposed to be responsible for Climate Change, as in changing precipitation patterns, and the frequency and intensity of storms. Now we are being told that it is the other way around! I do wish that they would settle this science! How am I supposed to know Who is first and What is on second without a current scorecard?

Bryan A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
June 25, 2018 12:16 pm

The other way around is preferable as then the Warming World is due to the Changing Climate instead of CO2

June 25, 2018 12:40 pm

I lot of bad things emanate from NY. Take for example that busy weekend in 1948 of copying nuclear secrets to give to the Russians by Morton Sobell, Julius Rosenberg, and others.

Ed Zuiderwijk
June 25, 2018 1:10 pm

I just went into orbit by pulling myself up by my shoe laces. Simples!

June 25, 2018 1:17 pm

The semi-serious point, of course, is that this gives them an out when the cooling sets in. I can’t help wondering if this might not be the plan.

Gotta keep them troughs filled somehow, people!

Reply to  Newminster
June 25, 2018 4:35 pm

After investing $22,000,000.00…yes, billion…. last year in green infrastructure investments, Catherine McKenna, Canada’s Minister of Environment and Climate Change made this statement:
“Acting now to deal with current and future climate change impacts will help protect Canadians from climate change risks and reduce their costs from climate-related damage and health issues. By developing made-in-Canada adaptation expertise and technology to deal with the effects of climate change, we will create good middle-class jobs and spur innovation. The work of the Expert Panel will help us to better understand how all levels of government are helping to protect communities across Canada from the effects of climate change.”

June 25, 2018 2:38 pm

Without computers there wouldn’t be any climate change.

June 25, 2018 2:45 pm

In California it is a badge of honor and a smiled upon example of pious virtue signaling to pay 4 times more for electricity. The towering bird blenders in Coachella are the new church spires.

Bill Illis
June 25, 2018 2:46 pm

Hansen’s average temperature in 1988 59.7F

In the 2000s, 58.12F

Over time, the description of temperature in “anomalies” from the mean has allowed the climate scientists to make up the temperature change.

Gary Pearse
June 25, 2018 4:14 pm

It is amazing to be almost terminally passionate about global warming and when it doesn’t pan out, in mid breath seque into a commanding passion about something completely different going to happen. One can hardly change their socks that fast. All-this-CO2-must-cause-something-bad science and they think it’s a PR problem, a messaging problem that they haven’t been able to put it across the ordinary citizen, let alone scientifically literate sceptics. This is why the 3% sceptics are kicking A55 big time. And the global-governors-in-waiting say who cares, changing the world social-political-economic system to a marxbrothers tragi-comedy is what really matters – the clisci industry can’t even convince their masters. The climateers are all one-trick ponies – Mann’s career taping up his hockeystick, Trenberth off in the deep seas seeking out missing heat….After hearing Christiane Figueres of UNFCC telling us exactly what the CAGlobal Warming was really about:

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. ”

This and the Dreaded Pause led to fairly honest global warming science proponents coming down with career-ending Climate Blues. The less honest just switched horses to Climate Change.

Phil Rae
June 25, 2018 5:52 pm

I don’t think any cooling trend that sets in thanks to the normal stochastic nature of Earth’s climate will help.

The “spin” from the green blob will be that, finally, we are starting to see the benefits of aggressive action against climate change and that all that money, all those windmills, solar cells and electric cars are starting to have an effect. All that will be needed (according to them) is to make one more (sic) Herculean effort and throw even more money/funding at the problem. In other words, the nut-jobs will claim victory, even in defeat.

I hate to be pessimistic but we need to recognise that these folks are masters at manipulating the data, the media and the discourse. When one considers the money involved, the political careers forged in the furnace of global warming and, of course, the tax opportunities that it continues to provide, governments will just keep on figuring more ways to extract money from their citizens to use for their own nefarious purposes, ideological or otherwise.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Phil Rae
June 25, 2018 6:29 pm

“The “spin” from the green blob will be that, finally, we are starting to see the benefits of aggressive action against climate change ”

But their lamenting earlier (now) about how not enough was being spent and CO2 was relentlessly rising can be quoted back against them. Their spin won’t get much traction—it’d look like the special pleading it obviously would be.

Reply to  Roger Knights
June 26, 2018 6:59 am

If CO2 levels are still rising, it will hard to sell the notion that CO2 reductions are the cause of the cooling. Not that the MSM won’t try to help them with the sale.

Reply to  Phil Rae
June 27, 2018 3:02 pm

It is named PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT, and is BIG business!

June 25, 2018 9:45 pm

Say it often enough in a deep ominous voice , dress it up with graphs and pictures of the earth (red preferably) and smoke steaming cooling towers and there you have your new reality. Snowflakes will be spouting it as self evident truth within weeks.

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