Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Mainstream media is excited that a self proclaimed time traveller from the year 6491, who claims that aliens will be discovered when the world heats up, has passed a lie detector test.
Man who claims he travelled from the year 6491 and is stuck in 2018 because his time machine broke ‘PASSES lie detector test’
A time traveller who believes he is from the year 6491 but got stuck in 2018 when his time machine broke down, has allegedly passed a lie detector test.
James Oliver’s story was doubted but paranormal experts say they were blown away when they put it to the test, because the results showed he was telling the truth.
Mr Oliver claims he lives more than centuries in the future but was sent back in time.
Paranormal YouTube site ApexTV carried out an experiment, which had bizarre results.
Mr Oliver passed every question.
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His story resembles the film plot to Back to the Future storyline, where Marty McFly gets stuck in the 50s after he runs out of plutonium to power his machine an old DeLorean car.
According to Mr Oliver global warming is going to get worse and our planet is going to get hotter. He also says there is a United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace.
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I can understand the media excitement. The wild claims of this alleged time traveller are more credible than the unfalsifiable computer models used by today’s climate scientists.
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There’s no such thing as a lie detector anyway, only a guilt emotion detector. Since the Green have no qualms about lying…
Well apparently 4,000 years on, they are still using the papal Christianity’s year numbering convention.
Wow, more than 4500 years after the H-bomb was perfected and humanity is still around.
Apparently it’s time to turn those Doomsday Crock hands back to 12:01… AM.
So business as usual ensures our society will survive thousands of years into the future, with unimaginable technological advancement, and “assured” peace? I guess this scenario is considered ‘worse than we thought’ from the Cult of Gore.
So there was no stop to warn folks in the 1930s. That’s typical of the callous minds involved.
Perhaps he did and only made it worse.
How you think you going to move time, when you standing in it dummy?
Shame that Daily Mail pulp fiction mass entertainment hype finds its way into a serious science-based site.
Of course the great UN system and global warming is a key talking point. How unexpected.
“Mr Oliver passed every question”. What questions would a Neolithic farmer ask us? Hmm?
Will it always be so nice and warm?
Sorry, Mr. Neolithic farmer. It’s going to get bitchin’ cold every now and then due to natural variation. But it’s almost this warm again by 2000 A.D.
That was my very first thought. How would he even know the UN existed 4500 years ago? Whatever government exists in the year 6491 will not be called United Nations. More like the United Republic of Earth (or China).
And did with win the Islamic war in 2111?
It’s Climate Groundhog Day don’t ya know? They will remain stuck as long as the advocacy spinning continues.
The most likely scenario is that this time traveler broke the most sacred rule of not doing anything to change the course of history. He did and now there is no time travel from the future. It is also why Trump won.
“I have a time machine at home. It only goes forward, at regular speed.”
— Demitrii Martin
In high school, when we were supposed to be thinking about career goals, I told the teacher that all I knew then was that I did not want to be dependent on a time machine … did not want to have one at all & and did not want to do anything that required me to even look at one.
A few times people I know have given me my own personal time machine (it used to be a significant cultural thing where I am from). Over the “years” I never used them, and I still try to avoid the type of people that are dependent on them.
But now, technologically, thing have changed significantly and I can’t get away from them.
The one on my phone says it is 12:20 pm.
Sooo, would this be considered “Future Fake News”?
Nope! Fake future news. Just like AGW!
Anybody try a reverse Turing Test on this character – likely one of Elon Musk’s AI forecasts.
With proper training, it’s not that hard to pass a lie detector test, and is even easier when you’re self deluded, as most climate alarmists are.
If there really were time machines, we would all be getting kicked in the behind by our descendants for the stupid things we are allowing to happen (social justice, AGW, infinite debt and borrowing to fund nothing etc).
Is James Oliver an alias for Denny Zager, or Rick Evans?
Make him take a DNA test. DNA “drifts” over time, and you can predict within a reasonable amount of error how many changes in the code ought to exist given a specific amount of time. Compare his DNA to a pool of recent DNA and look for drift. If it isn’t there, he isn’t from the future.
One could also assume that known bad genes would have been edited out of the DNA pool long before this person was born. If he carries any genes that are known to increase risk of disease, he isn’t from the future.
Test for unknown antibodies… He should never get the flu for example, as he would have long ago been vaccinated using a universal flu vaccine.
Test his tooth enamel for traces of minerals and metals and look to see if it matches any known patterns. His exposure to things like lead should not show a spike for the 1960’s and 1970’s for example.
Test his bone C-14 content to see if there is any anomaly.
There are so many tests to reduce this con-artists claims into ashes I could go on for hours. Mostly this person should be tested for insanity.
Good thinking Robert, I like proper scientific considerations like this. This attitude would be most helpful to many other situations. Youy own “thought DNA” reminds me of Dr.Judy Wood.
Get Michael Mann to core into him and tell us what the temperature is on his planet 4400 years from now.
> Year 6491
> James Oliver
How odd. Aren’t names from six thousand years ago a bit different from those used today?
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To be fair, you’d want to look at names from 4473 years ago vs today. And the answer for the most part is yes, but you’d need to compare historical names for the same geographic & cultural areas for an true apples to apples comparison. So, for example ancient Greeks compared to modern day Greeks, Ancient Chinese to modern day Chinese, etc (obviously younger counties/cultures such as those in the “new world” of North/South American have no recorded historical counterparts to compare to on that time scale)
Names used in Sumer and Egypt 4500 years ago are no longer popular in those regions.
However, China and Greece might then have had names similar to those now.
The Minoan Linear B syllabic script, from c. 3500 years ago, predates the Greek alphabet by several centuries. Various Linear B tablets from Knossos, Crete mention people by name. Some of these Mycenaean names have exact equivalents in Homer, such as Hektor (“holding fast”). Modern Greek still uses many of these names, which have entered other European languages, as the numerous Hercules and Achilles attest.
Some Greek names became Christian saints names, too, so that not just mythical and legendary characters have lived on in modern languages, such as 4th-century Roman general Artemios (from the goddess Artemis), venerated as a saint in Orthodox churches.
April 1st came late this year.
or early next year 😉
Even a simple Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court was able to impress the locals with his knowledge of science and technology. What impressive things can this person offer?
I have a suggestion for a quick test of the veracity of his claims. It it is an old test used by horse traders. Look in his mouth. I would expect to find a set of perfect teeth, with none missing, IF he is from the future. On the improbable chance that Man hasn’t prevented tooth decay 4000 years in the future, I would at least expect to see dental technology that doesn’t exist today, which has repaired or replaced teeth.
Anthony,
It seems that most of my recent comments are not showing up immediately.
They are travelling into the future! More proof! As if any were needed!
How many planets have we colonized over the next 4.5 thousand years? Does it look like Futurama with theme parks on the moon yet? Can he tell us any of the amazing scientific advancements over that time?
Imagine being able to go back 4,500 years into the past and exclaim all of the wonderful technology that we have today. Modern medicine, electricity, physics, mathematics. The list is endless.
That progress in science, technology, engineering and medicine has advanced as it has suggests that travel to the past is impossible, or tightly regulated.
If it were freely available, then anyone who could afford it would take advantage of it to live a much better life in the past than he or she could in the future. An unscrupulous individual could go to imperial Rome and kick-start the Industrial Revolution that was stillborn then. And also to make himself the most famous scientist and medical doctor of all time.
Or emperor, if he wanted to be so. His legions armed with firearms would not only defeat the forces of any opponent, but expand the empire across Germania to the Vistula, making for a more defensible frontier. His program of vaccination would keep the population of the empire from crashing during the Antonine Plague, providing the manpower needed to maintain sufficient legions to hold the barbarians at bay. If so desired, he could also decisively defeat the Parthian Empire and bring Roman civilization to the Hindu Kush.
Pedophiles who now take sex tourist trips to the Third World would flock to ancient, pagan Greece and Rome, where pederasty was not only legal but normative. Less perverted adult male sex addicts would simply buy as many slave girls as they could afford, then sell them when they got to be 30.
A future Richard Dawkins could hunt down and kill St. Paul, helping to preserve the paganism which permitted slavery, infanticide and child sex abuse. But travel to the past is probably impossible, so the past will stay as it is or was. And even if it were possible, as noted above, any traveler would probably find him or herself incapable of doing anything to change it.
Wouldn’t time travel fork the past?
simple-touriste, that would rather depend on what theory of time travel turns out to be true. There are many to choose from.
some theories posit that it’s impossible to change the past, what happened is what always happened and will always happen. So, if for example, you went back in time with the intention of killing Hitler before he rose to power or saving JFK from assassination or what ever, no matter how well you planned your temporal intervention, something would go wrong preventing you from changing the past (a German policeman spots you heading down the street with a gun in your hand and arrests or kills you or while wresting with Lee Harvey in the book depository you discover that the man on the grassy knoll really did exist, or what have you).
Other theories posit that the past can be changed (or at least appear to change in the case of alternate timelines), resulting in a “fork in the past” as you put it.
S-T,
No, even if it were possible, since what has happened can’t be changed.
If you traveled to the past, whatever you do there has already occurred.
In science fiction, alternative time lines are created, but that’s probably not how temporal physics works. As travel to the past is probably impossible, we won’t be able to find out for sure.
Felix, that assumes the past can’t be changed. Not all theories of time travel assume that. Theoretically the past effects could be altered by future causes resulting in a change in the past state (kind of like a temporal feedback loop). we wouldn’t ever know if the past we know was always the way the past was or if the past we know is only the “latest” iteration of a past that has been altered by one or more time travelers because, as we don’t have the wider perspective to “see” the changing state of the past, we can only see the past that we came from.
(and yes, thinking about it for too long may result in headaches. )
“A future Richard Dawkins could hunt down and kill St. Paul”
Richard Dawkins has never advocated any violence of any kind,unlike the left who continually hurl death threats at skeptics. All Richard Dawkins has repeatedly pointed out is that there is no shred of evidence that a supreme being exists. Just as in global warming it is up to religionists and climate alarmists to prove that their pink elephant exists because skeptics can never prove that a pink elephant doesn’t exist. You should be ashamed for a comment like that
I apologize to Dr. Dawkins if he doesn’t share the murderous tendencies of so many other True Believers in this, that or the other ideology. He is a militant atheist, but might not suffer the homicidal tendencies of militants of all stripes.
Despite being a Leftist (formerly Labour voter but now Liberal Democrat), he allows as how, truly to be scientific, he must consider himself an agnostic, rather than an atheist, because the God hypothesis isn’t testable. He remains however 99.99% sure that there is no God, given the lack of evidence for such a Being.
The proper Christian (or at least Protestant) response to that position is that God doesn’t want to reveal Himself, but must remain hidden. If it were reasonable to believe in God based upon physical evidence, then what would be the value of faith in His existence?
And yet, despite there being no shred of evidence for the CAGW religion, Dawkins is a signed up true believer who praised Al Gore’s error filled ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ propaganda. So while he may not be as violent prone as some of his fellow travelers, he’s not as skeptical as you paint him out to be when it comes to his preferred “religion”.
On reflection, it would be easy to integrate simple, matchlock firearms into the legionary organization. Basically, you’d combine the legion with Early Modern pike and shot formations.
The core of a legion was its ~5000 Roman legionaries, basically heavy infantry with one or two pila (dual purpose spear/javelins), but in combat it always included a similar auxiliary or foedorati units of missile-armed light infantry, light or heavy cavalry and slightly less well-equipped legionary style “medium” infantry. Just arm the light infantry with arquebuses rather than bows, slings and javelins and give the cavalry pistols or carbines. Some of the auxiliaries might also be given heavier muskets as anti-cavalry weapons, and others be armed with pikes to fend off enemy cavalry. Siege and field artillery could also trade in their ballistas and catapults for cannon.
With its auxiliaries, a legion had about as many troops as the combat components of a modern infantry division, ie ~10,000. Hard to improve on the disciplined gladius-wielding legionaries in close quarter battle. Under the system I suggest here, the legion might be around 1/3 shot.
During the Early Modern era, the ratio of pike to shot rose from about 1/3 shot in early Spanish tercios of the 16th century to 50:50 during the Thirty Years’ War (1618-48) to almost 100% shot at the end of 17th century, with the introduction of the bayonet to replace the pike. The flintlock also made muskets faster and safer to reload than with matchlocks. The increase in firepower over matchlock and pike formations was terrifying. Just going from 50% to 100% musketeers doubled firepower, then reloading three of four times a minute rather than at best twice boosted firepower further. Also the distinction between handier, antipersonnel arquebus and heavier, anti-horse musket was lost, settling on the heaviest musket which could be handled without a forked rest.
Sorry to all concerned…
This thingy here, of this “alien” insane claimant is really disturbing, but considering that is a British made sh@te, it really no so much to worry.
Old story new…
Which maybe, after 12th of this month will make NK, probably score higher than UK in integrity.
For as much as I can say, as I see it, this is a non avoidable result or consequence of severe brainwashing and indoctrination.
Sorry but as far as I can tell, there could not be any terrorism without intentional and widespread indoctrination…does not compute with me otherwise……
The message attempted by this “public” story is simple: (and intended to cause chaos)
“Comrades do not lose heart, even as we failed to save the world or humanity, by literally to castrating it and destroying it, still it will be saved in the end by the “aliens”…..do not lose heart, stand fast, and for those who could” please try to keep it as safe as possible, the world, till the “alien” salvation comes.
As it not yet here or there, but please if you can, do assist by whatever means,,,, like blowing things up or whatever in those lines, …bigger the better.
Even when the battle is lost, for sure the war is won, “aliens” will make sure of it,,,,never doubt it comrades…never ever”
A complete attempt in insanity…..for not actually knowing or understanding what they are doing….
According to this insane guy story the “alien” salvation is worse than that of the insane greens proposed thus far.
Quicker, more efficient and deeper…probably less painful, and maybe rightfully to be considered as “merciful”.
What better one can wish….oh well, within the ones insanity.
To bad that this “alien” agent happens to be the bigger loser that could be sent at this time and place to deal with this galactical problem by the “federation”…..(shit I can’t really believe I am really saying such non sense).
This loser can not even access his own “time machine”, how bad or insane one has to be, to get so low….
Ok, double edge blade….lets see what’s next….at least still comforting of it bean a British made crap…
Sorry to all the Brits….anyway.
cheers
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I am finding the same thing.
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ETA: yep, it’s working
DNA test, dental records, other medical inquiries, all useless. A technologically advanced civilization that had developed time travel would certainly have the ability to adjust the time traveler so that his biology would match the current era he was going to, just in case he was subjected to such medical testing.
Tom,
And if those in the future were really concerned, they would have a fail-safe system to prevent anyone from getting stranded, and the ability to become invisible while sight-seeing. I think the biggest problem, which has been mentioned, is the one ignored by most science fiction. How is it that virtually all the Hollywood aliens encountered speak perfect mid-west US 20th C English and understand idioms that make reference to technologies or social practices that the aliens couldn’t possibly have experience with? Now Aussies talk funny, so maybe they are all aliens or time travelers! 🙂
Instant translation software embedded in their brains would explain understanding, but speaking without an accent would still be hard, without lots of practice, such as that required by Russian illegal agents. Unless additional software could control speech apparatus perfectly.
But the aren’t aliens, they are humans who live in our future. If they regularly time travel then they would want to blend in and certainly be aware of local customs for time and place. The only problem would be to go back where there was no recorded history of the era.
There’s still the matter of learning to speak the language. Knowing the theory isn’t the same thing as putting the theory into practice. (see my example of how well some Japanese know English above)
And “no recorded history” is only one problem to be faced, another is when recorded history is inaccurate – while the victors write the history, there’s no obligation on the victors to be truthful when writing that history. On top of that you have the problem of future revisionist historians that rewrite (or “adjust”, as our “climate scientist” friends like to do) the history to suit their “modern day” sensibilities/agendas, add to that totalitarian governments that wish to send certain historical facts down the memory hole 1984 style, etc..
First they send spies to gather information. Then they send tourists who know that information. I suspect any time traveler here at this time is on a comedy junket to see how in the hell we could have been so stupid to believe that CO2 is pollution. I would expect it to be the best selling tour on record.
I hope the hypothetical time-tourists aren’t as dumb as the stereotypical Ugly American tourists with their shorts and Disneyland T-shirts showing up in countries that tend to be more formal than Americans.
This is nonsense. In 2152 we passed a law requiring current and future time-travel systems be equipped with a fail safe time return devices that would prevent time travelers from going back in time and getting stuck, and possibly altering the future.
This worldwide law was a direct result of someone traveling back in time and convincing people that Miracle Whip tasted good.
Yeah, but a violent uprising in 3242 resulted in a new world wide government resulting in all the previous government’s laws being tossed out and a new set of laws put in place. Unfortunately time travel etiquette wasn’t included in the new laws.
Wake me up when both a climate model and a climate “journalist” pass a lie-detector test.
Climate models can neither pass not fail a lie-detector test, they’re not sentient beings capable of lying or telling the truth.
climate “journalists” on the other hand would have to know what they are talking about before a lie-detector test would be useful on them. Most of them simply don’t if their published work is anything to go by.