Climate Alarmist Time Traveller from the year 6491 Passes a Lie Detector Test

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Mainstream media is excited that a self proclaimed time traveller from the year 6491, who claims that aliens will be discovered when the world heats up, has passed a lie detector test.

Man who claims he travelled from the year 6491 and is stuck in 2018 because his time machine broke ‘PASSES lie detector test’

A time traveller who believes he is from the year 6491 but got stuck in 2018 when his time machine broke down, has allegedly passed a lie detector test.

James Oliver’s story was doubted but paranormal experts say they were blown away when they put it to the test, because the results showed he was telling the truth.

Mr Oliver claims he lives more than centuries in the future but was sent back in time.

Paranormal YouTube site ApexTV carried out an experiment, which had bizarre results.

Mr Oliver passed every question.

His story resembles the film plot to Back to the Future storyline, where Marty McFly gets stuck in the 50s after he runs out of plutonium to power his machine an old DeLorean car.

According to Mr Oliver global warming is going to get worse and our planet is going to get hotter. He also says there is a United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5800695/Man-travelled-year-6491-says-hes-stuck-2018-PASSED-lie-detector-test.html

I can understand the media excitement. The wild claims of this alleged time traveller are more credible than the unfalsifiable computer models used by today’s climate scientists.

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Peter Plail

At least this “proves” that catastrophic warming didn’t take place and the human race survived.

Phil Rae

Ha! Ha! Ha! +4473 =(6491-2018)

Robertvd

So it would be like some of us traveling back in time to see how they built a pyramid and tell them the world will be colder in 2018.

Annie

Brilliant! 🙂

Bryan A

It actually doesn’t prove that he is telling the truth only that He believes what he is indicating as the truth.
And…Yes, if he is telling the truth, then it DOES prove that humans survive far into the future

Greg

Indeed, anyone who does lie detection analysis professionally would not make a bland statement like “he is telling the truth”. Firstly lie detectors are lie detectors, not truth detectors.

Now go and look at the mickey mouse set up they called doing a lie detector test. Someone with no knowledge or training has some crap hooked up to his PC. The supposed “subject” seems to know more about the process than the guy on the computer.

He wades straight in with “OK, the first question: are you a time traveller?”

NO, that is not how you conduct a lie detector test, you first start with control questions to settle the subject in and calibrate the test apparatus to his “normal” responses.

This guy did not pass a lie detector test because he was never given one.

Greg

My planet is further away from the sun than yours is, so it takes longer to get around. ‘But we have gifted mathematicians who work to calculate our years from those from other civilisations.’

Well you hardly need a team of “gifted mathematicians” to multiply by a constant to do the conversion . What a total crock of sh8t.

simple-touriste

For the average journalist, being able to use the four operations correctly = gifted mathematician.

Peanut Gallery

Lie detector tests are full on bull$!@%. I have personally FAILED a lie detector test administered by NIS but subsequently cleared of wrongdoing by physical evidence I provided in the follow-up pressuring session about the failure. At that point there was a lot of hand-waving and excuses about the test’s integrity as they backpedaled on it’s infallibility.

DAV

That’s because the detector part resides in the interpretation by the operator — purely an opinion. The machine output has much the same weight as configurations of tea leaves or entrails. Any reliability depends on the ability of the operator to perform a cold reading. The whole setup is to foster the belief that the machine actually works in the hope of eliciting truthful answers. At best, the machine indicates emotional responses. Problem is that some people can’t hide their emotions which, in turn, can be caused by things other than lying. Plain stress for example.

RLu

It would be like returning to warn the Egyptians about the 4.2ky event. And the risk of allowing provincial governors to become hereditary sub-kings. If the Pharaoh had the power to reign in his outer provinces, he would have done so already.

At the time, they would still know about the drying up of the Sahara, which forced their people to create Egypt in the first place. And now you tell them even the Nile floods will end!

Or maybe they knew already and they built the Pyramids to preserve their culture during the approaching cold snap. Egypt survived for another two millennia, so it worked!

JasonH

On the way back, you could tell the Greeks, Romans, and even Edward I the same thing

john

Or make a really big bet with Al Gore on exactly how many votes he will lose by.

Btw, I want the winning lotto numbers for the next 10 weeks. Proof positive of the veracity of this individuals claims. Better scientifically than a polygraph and the proceeds will go to the WUWT Charitable Foundation.

Felix

If you told Edward I that it was going to be colder for the next 550 years, he might not have wanted Scotland so badly, but have been content with building castles in Wales.

Notanist

That or being from 1946 spelled backward (6491) means you can also claim he passed a lie detector test, backward of course. Hey I’m a time traveler too, I just got started a few years later than this guy.

PTP

People who believe that their lies are morally justified, rarely set off a lie detector.

People who actually believe that their lies are true, the misinformed or the delusional, don’t set one off at all.

MikeP

Perhaps he does believe that everything’s backwards – a bit like the scene from “Little Big Man”. Viewed by that lens, it’s all true. His time machine is an Edsel he saved from a junk yard as a teenager.

John Harmsworth

I’m actually from 6492 when this guy has been charged with fraud and lost his time travel license. We make fun of him, calling him “Michael Mann”, and we laugh and laugh!

R. Shearer

One could envision a cure for baldness by then.

old white guy

Perfect.

This proves what a scam “lie detectors” are.

The Reverend Badger

They are indeed. It is very interesting to research the history of the polygraph and to see what varied professionals say about it. One thing for sure; it gets “pushed” as a valid thing all over the place including TV progs that hang their hat on it 100% (Jeremy Kyle show).

TRM

LMAO. Great one! By the way Aldrich Ames passed 2 polygraph exams while spying for the Soviets and he was guilty as they come!!

Go Golden Knights

Also, where did he learn to speak English? I mean, after 4K years don’t you think the langauge might change.

Tom in Florida

Ovi, Ovi, Ovi. Not a Caps fan but he deserves a Cup.

Ben Vorlich

So we’ve got at least another 4000+ years before anything nasty happens. Extinction due to increasing CO2 is a long way off (in human terms anyway). He’s about 120 generations away from me in all measures.

If I believed this nonsense anymore than climate doom forecasts then I might take some comfort otherwise the Sidebar of Shame on the Daily Mail is where it belongs.

john harmsworth

Hey man! This test was administered by top-notch people in their field. It’s way better than peer reviewed climate science!

SwampyNonBeliever

You are being facetious right?

petermue

First I laughed a lot until I realized that, despite their future technology, our efforts to stop global warming will have no effect until 6491 and funds have been all for nothing.
If they can’t manage climate in 6491, how should we do now?

ROFL

LdB

Yes all the climate ignorer’s got it right we will deal with it in the future.

Jeff Alberts

Actually the story doesn’t seem to say WHEN the catastrophic warming occurred. Could be 5 years from now, could be 4000 years from now.

Could be tomorrow!

MarkW

Could be last year, and nobody noticed

John Harmsworth

I would hazard a guess that would be foolish to bet against, except that none of us will be around in 6491, that we will be deep into the the front end of a new glaciation.

Ronald Bruce

Just another delusional Greenie..

William Astley

Totally agree.

This is a video clip of a cult of CAGW guy making things up and a phoney lie detector test that obviously does not work.

This is a twist on previous fake time travel story that was started in 2003.

https://www.business2community.com/us-news/time-traveler-busted-insider-trading-fake-news-01949405

john
Wallaby Geoff

I guess this places the effectiveness of lie detector tests in question. Is a lie detector regarded as a defence in US courts?

Wayne Townsend

Lie detector results are inadmissible in US courts. Furthermore, if they were as accurate as touted, they would only tell if the person tested thought it was the truth. They would have no way of detecting a psychotic/delusional head case.

Ian Magness

Absolutely Wayne.
I know a psychotic person who had extreme behaviours for several years. Happily, most of this is behind him but he still truly believes some of the stories he created in his alternative universe and I very much doubt a lie-detector test would reveal anything.

John Endicott

Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it – George Costanza

Rich Davis

Pretty sure that the lie detector gear had a Vandelay Industries logo on it.

AGW is not Science

And just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you…lol.

TA

I watched a True Crime tv show last night and the killer passed his lie detector test. They arrested him later when the truth came out.

D. J. Hawkins

As I recall, psychopathic personalities typically pass lie detector tests without issue. One of the “benefits” of the condition.

commieBob

A lie detector measures your physical responses. Does your heart beat go up or down, does your skin resistance change because you’re sweating, etc. etc. link

If you have a conscience you will have a physical response when you lie. If you have no conscience, not so much.

drednicolson

Most people become anxious when they knowingly lie, especially when lying about serious things like crimes, which will show up as biorhythm irregularities on a polygraph examination. Psychotics often lie unknowingly (ie. they believe their own lies), and sociopaths just don’t care, so these groups can frequently fool the test. And in any case, the results of a polygraph must be interpreted by the examiner, so the whole thing is a big subjective exercise and thus would never meet the standard of evidence in a court of law.

Polygraphs are still used by law enforcement to help clear suspects in the absence of definitive evidence, or as a means to gain leverage in interrogations.

Jeff

Someone should find his present day ancestors and convince them not to have children )

Robertvd

Did he tell what kind of energy they are using in the year 6491 ? Can’t be fossil.

a happy little debunker

They have obviously reverted to using dung … Well, when I say dung – I mean Bullplop.

Robertvd

Any change he knows who won the world cup soccer 2018 ?

Greg

No Italy for obvious reasons, and not England for almost as obvious reasons.

Jones

Well this is a new angle for them I must say.

Alex

Lie detectors can be fooled. Not accepted in any court these days.

Perry

The man b e l i e v e s that he’s from the future, therefore the lie detector does not pick up any anomalies. If St. Augustine of Canterbury had been asked if he believed in a Christian deity, he’d have passed as well. It’s not about reality, it’s the power of delusion. BTW, I’m Napoleon.

Jones

There can’t be two of us you liar.

paqyfelyc

Why couldn’t there be two of you Napoleon, when yourself are both Jones and Napoleon?

MarkW

I tried to have a conversation with myself, but gave it up when I found out I wasn’t that interesting.

paqyfelyc

Solipsism argues that you only have conversation with yourself anyway.
Strong solipsism is agnostic about the existence of some exterior, for lack of any way to check.
Weak solipsism says there surely is some exterior to yourself, has it is quite improbable that your mind has all the needed power to make up all the stimuli you process, but it doesn’t matter: anyway you first have to make any stimuli a part of your mind before arguing. And you sometime have it wrong at this step, that is, what’s in your mind is too different from what the exterior stimuli actually meant.
same in reverse, when you talk. Hence the projection.

Jeff Mitchell

Of course there can be more than one. Pieces that is. Napoleon Blownapart.

Susan

I suspect that good con-men can pass a lie detector test because they have no concern about lying.

schitzree

James Oliver’s story was doubted but paranormal experts say they were blown away when they put it to the test, because the results showed he was telling the truth.

No, the results showed he BELIEVED he was telling the truth.

Despite what many of the Climate Faithful assume, believing something doesn’t make it true.

~¿~

JohnWho

Wait…

so you only need to believe something to make it true?

Anyone see a problem with that line of thinking?

I believe I do.

Bryan A

Nope, you only need to Believe what you are saying is true to pass a Lie Detector Test

Hugh Mannity

Exactly. He’s delusional, not lying. He “knows” he’s from the future and is telling the truth.

John Harmsworth

He wasn’t so delusional that he subjected himself to a properly run polygraph. He’s delusional in the same way Michael Mann is. He believes people will buy his B.S. This guy probably has tenure at U of Penn in 6491.

4 Eyes

So he’s a good liar. I know a few climate alarmists who could match him.

Nash

Man from the future in year 6491 … proves Al Gore is wrong again, the world has more than 10 years left

Leigh

“He also says there is a United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace”.
I think he’s been watching a little to much star trek.

foto2021

We already have such a system. The Globalists already rule Europe, and they are extending their tentacles across the planet.

MarkW

Peace or subjugation?

schitzree

From the article

Describing life lightyears from now,

Great, we finally find out how you do the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, and now we get this.

>¿<

Wayne Townsend

Strangely, while this “light years” comment shows the woeful lack of science in present-day science (fiction) journalism, it makes a weird sort of sense. Imagine you are traveling back in time to the exact spot in space where you are today (relative to the known universe). You would end up in the vacuum of space, at best.

With the solar system moving 260 km/sec relative to the galaxy with our galactic cluster moving about 600 km/sec relative to other clusters, multiplied by seconds in a year, multiplied by multiplied by 4473 years means that the earth would be about half a light year away from where we are now. And that doesn’t account for earth’s rotation, orbit, inclination, nor the Milankovitch cycles. Obviously half is less than one lightyear, but if you consider time-traveling, I suggest you calculate your spatial coordinates really, really carefully.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Ulaanbaatar

You are talking about teleporting, not time travel. With time travel, everything works out by itself. The universe knows!

PTP

What you are suggesting would require an absolute standard of spacial objectivity to actually exist.

However, there is a reason that Einstein described the modern theory of gravity, as well as the basis of scientific cosmology, with the phrase, “General Relativity.”

At the quantum level, wormholes through space and time naturally exist; however there is nothing to suggest that the positioning of such irregularities, is based on anything other than relative relationships between space and time.

Gravity creates the illusion of an objective center, against which all relative positions seem to be defined; but once outside the influence of the local center of gravity, the nature of the relative relationships fundamentally changes.

If Time Travel ever turns out to be actually possible, determining spacial coordinates will most likely be a function of mapping positioning, on the basis of relationships relative to the local sources of gravity.

Jeffrey Mitchell

Was Relativity a three or four star general?

John Harmsworth

Here and now are tied together. there is no “here” as a distinct place in a universe that is full of movement. That’s why I keep getting lost on the way to work. Never going home, but for some reason all the time going to work. I don’t know why they say you can’t go home again!

Randle Dewees

In a galaxy long ago and far away who the heck was Kessel? And why did his/her ancestors end up in Bohemia? My family name on my fathers side.

Randle Dewees

Obviously, a Dewees stuck in at some point.

John Harmsworth

Kessel plays for the Penguins. And he’s not that fast!

Bob boder

Ok, gives us a review of the movie, haven’t seen it yet want to know if I should.

noman_Arizona

And the Picard stratagy of being it two places at the same time.

Bob boder

“And the Picard stratagy of being it two places at the same time.”

i think that is an inaccurate description of the Picard Strategy

John Endicott

Are you referring to The Picard Maneuver? It’s only a sensor illusion of being in two places at the same time rather than actually being in two places at the same time.

Seems to me, that the only proof that he is being truthful, is to show how his so called broken time machine? Wonder it its a British Phone Box?

Charlie

He was asked that. He says it’s hidden away and he can’t show us it. Alien time traveller channels Mikey Mann.

Nigel S

Sorry to be pedantic but it’s a Police box, there is a phone there too to call the police.

John Endicott

Indeed, the referenced British “Phone box” (ie Doctor Who’s TARDIS) is a Police box. However, a Phone booth (American style) was used as a Time machine by Bill and Ted during their excellent adventure.

jorgekafkazar

Bill & Ted’s model was the Re-Tardis.

Zig Zag Wanderer

It’s pretty easy to learn to fool a lie detecor. Spies get training, for example.

petermue

Maybe they connected him to a bullshit detector.
In this case, all his answers were bullshit, and therefore true.

Crispin in Waterloo but really in Ulaanbaatar

Basically you tighten your butt and release the squeeze when asked a triggering question. This helps pass the lie test.

John Harmsworth

that is my approach to answering any tricky question.

John Harmsworth

Most often the questioner doesn’t stick around for the answer

richard

Off piste but good news-

Chevron wins $38m from Environmentalists behaving badly: extortion, fraud, witness tampering, corrupt practices

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/05/chevron-wins-38m-from-environmentalists-behaving-badly-extortion-fraud-witness-tampering-corrupt-practices/

Hugs

Guess twice if you can see this big news in ABC BBC CBC NPR…. or other local news.

They did tell us Chevron is guilty of polluting Ecuador (which is false), and tell us that Chevron had to pay billions, but now that it all clears out, they’ll shut up and just think how to cut their damages (not Chevron’s).

John Harmsworth

This judgement appears to be against a crew of goofball criminals who couldn’t come up with $38M if they knocked off Fort Knox AND took back all their bottles. Not really a win and not even justice.

I remember an article in the WSJ about a police officer in Florida who spent years in prison after being charged with child molestation by infamous Janet Reno. His guilt has beem “confirmed” because he couldn’t pass a polygraph (lie detector) test. Many years later a real culprit was found. Reno didn’t even apologize for her false indictment. A pity this monster died of natural causes.

Polygraph tests may have been sometimes sucessfully used to scare criminals (as well as innocent people) but there is no scientific or statistical information that would support their reliability.

Roger Knights

“… but there is no scientific or statistical information that would support their reliability.”

The top scientifically focused critique of the polygraph is a book, A Tremor in the Blood: Uses and abuses of the lie detector, by a bigshot psychologist, David Lykken.(There is also a report by the National Academy of Science, published as a book, that is similarly critical.) Its most memorable sentence goes something like this: ^You know you didn’t throw the spitball, but you blush when the teacher looks at you.” IOW, innocent persons can show stress when denying untrue accusations, and this stress can be greater than that shown when asked to deliberately lie about less consequential matters, making them guilty in the examiner’s eyes.

John Harmsworth

I blushed when you talked about somebody else throwing a spitball, but then again, I did it!

jorgekafkazar

Janet Reno? Wasn’t she the penis envy poster child?

Alan Tomalty

Is this guy related to Gavin Schmidt the director of GISS a division of NASA ? Didn’t Gavin Schmidt write a scientific paper last year on the search for aliens in our planet’s past who died out because of global warming caused by CO2 produced from fossil fuels? Maybe Gavin can help fix the guy’s time machine and they can both go farther back in time to meet the aliens.

Alan Tomalty

I write comments like the above because the CAGW theory has shown me that we live in a world of OZ . It is hard to keep one’s sanity when 2/3 of the people believe in a religious religion and another 2/3 ( a lot of overlap of course) believe in a climate religion. What next ? Aliens will show up at our doorstep to rescue us from global warming?
I dont know what is reality anymore.

Ve2

Bob Brown believes in climate change and aliens.

John Endicott

More Alice’s wonderland than Oz. With lots of people believing impossible things both before and after breakfast.

Alan Tomalty

I get futureflashes of a new glacial period setting in with freezing temperatures even in the summer and poor Nick Stokes shivering in his future solar heated home.

ozspeaksup

and in vite goracle, n that mann to join them please

R2Dtoo

Alan: That would be a family reunion.

pbweather

I suspect if someone truly believes in something like this then a lie detector is not going to pick up any lies because in their mind they are telling the truth.

Annie

His name is interesting. Do you suppose there is likely to be a James Oliver in the year 64…whatever?

Randle Dewees

Did they test him about his name? Perhaps he picked a name to blend in, like Ford Prefect.

BallBounces

Still, it’s sad he won’t get to see the turn of the century just nine years away.

john cheshire

They’re not very bright, these future people. Why haven’t they the equivalent of the AA or RAC recovery organisation to come out, or in his case back, to fix his machine?

Jeff Alberts

I don’t think Alcoholics Anonymous is going to come out and fix any machinery.

John Endicott

well, since the time machines has as much existence as the proverbial pink elephants that drunks are said to see, I’m sure Alcoholics Anonymous have the necessary experience to deal with it.

jorgekafkazar

In Blighty, AA = Automobile Association. For repairing time machines, you have to call Al-Anon members, who specialize in fixing.

John Harmsworth

Antecedents Anonymous?

paqyfelyc

Nonsense. We have plenty of lore from 41 millennia (far more easy to time-travel information than a man) we know there never was “United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace” in 65th century. An Emperor took control, Napoleon style, during the Butlerian Jihad against thinking machine and cyborg traitors. Right now in the future (sounds strange, but think again), the Emperor mind is still alive, despite his body killed.
Also, time travel is forbidden, only the time travel agency agents are allowed, to make sure that the past isn’t altered in a way that would preemptively prevent their whole civilization appearance. And that include preventing any disclosure of the time-travel, and taking care of unallowed time travelers before they do any harm (by, if necessary, getting even earlier in the past).

Felix

A neat thing about travel to the past is that you can’t change anything there, since it has already happened. Whatever a traveler from the future did or does there is done.

Travel to the future is possible, since that’s where we’re going every second anyway. By traveling faster in space, you travel relatively in time, too.

The past, not so much. While there are possible relativistic mechanisms for travel to the past, such as wormholes, other aspects of physics seem always to interfere to rule it out.

Travel to one’s own past, however, might just barely be possible, but would require virtually impossible amounts of energy. Travel to the more distant past is, on the basis of present understanding, simply not in the cards.

Felix

Thus a time machine to the future is just a very fast spacecraft.

dodgy geezer

Um.

This is a classic example of moderm Journalism. The ‘story’ is not something that any journalist has investigated – it is a clip which has been put up on a Youtube channel. In oarticular, I suspect that the ‘lie detector’ test, if conducted at all, used the equivalent of a party ‘guess your weight’ machine.

There is no evidence that this is anything more than a humorous piece of clickbait. From one point of view I suppose that we should be thankful that there are so few pieces of serious news breaking that this has had to be brought in to fill a hole on the 6th page…….

Ed Zuiderwijk

Wow! A broken down time machine. Even in the year 6491 quality control will leave a lot to be desired.

Plus ca change …

John Harmsworth

That’s why I always and only go forward in time. They always have parts for my current mode of transport.

Greg Cavanagh

It was running Windows649, and it’s still buggy.

Bruce Cobb

Bahaha. He must have purchased the cheapo C-xziiiY “Cranoly” Model time machine, from China. I warned him about that. He’s a known liar, we are in another glacial period in 6491. That’s why so many of us travel back, just to get warm.

Jeff Alberts

Who knew that Zerolemon would still be around in 6491?

Interested

Isn’t it typical that the time machine in question is hidden away somewhere and can’t be revealed.
The only chance we have of proving or disproving the time-travel story is thus conveniently unavailable.
Oh dear!
Tut-tut!
What a shame!
How sad!

Bob boder

You really want to go to the effort of trying to disprove it? I really don’t think that’s all that necessary.

John Endicott

Indeed, the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. If the “time traveler” can’t produce his time machine, then he fails at that burden and nothing more needs be done.

Bob boder

A more precise way of saying the whole thing is stupid.

wws

Yes – exactly, and a sign of how low the mainstream press has fallen in the desperation to get clicks and views. Not that long ago a story like this would only have been seen in the Weekly World News, right next to a picture of BatBoy.

Brian Johnson UK

Faith or belief in something does not make it a FACT!

Al Gore, Michael Mann, all Green Renewable Energy advocates please note….

rapscallion

One of the more amusing comments under the DM piece ws “Can you ask him if by then Britain will have left the EU”

John Harmsworth

More like, “What happened to the EU”?

fretslider

I’m a time traveller. Seriously.

i decided to travel through time minute by minute,

Another minute’s gone by typing this

Bruce Cobb

Try typing faster.

John Harmsworth

Ha! that’s a killer!

John Endicott

I too am a time traveler, I travel forward in time at a rate of one second per second. 😉

Jeff Alberts

Try hanging around your relatives, time slows down. Relativity, ya know.

hunter

Just like it now turns out the big UFO story was actually faux government documents produced by some washed up rock artist promoting a pork barrel pet project by democrat Harry Reid, this time traveller’s story is pure eye wash.

John Law

Beam me up Anthony!

miniTAX

I hate such liar. He gives real time travelers like me a bad name.

What a complete BS. Ever talked to a psychotic person? They can tell you the most outrageous imaginary stories, while being 100% sure, with 0% uncertainty. And they act on it too, because it’s true in their mind.

Enter the time traveller.

This man needs a psychiatrist, not a journalist to talk to. He needs some serious treatment.

I feel sorry for this guy, being turned into a circus act. Medieval times revisited.
Well, that’s what the greens want anyway, so it fits perfectly.

another fred

“This man needs a psychiatrist…”

Speaking of frauds…

John Harmsworth

He has one in his future. I’m pretty sure.

paqyfelyc

I would say that the journalist is the man most in need of a psychiatrist

Tom in Florida

And in the immortal words of George Costanza:

Test. No password to comment? Looks like I lost the comment now.

A DNA test might prove interesting.

+42

Tom in Florida

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

Hugs

6491. Yeah. And speaks English? What a talent. I take it more seriously immediately when he gives a brief of languages used in 6491. Otherwise, he may as well try if his mommy recognizes him by going public.

Pat

I agree with the language barrier thought. Lauguage drifts. It has changed considerably in my 63 years. My great uncle Clyde(1898) was understandable, but his choice of words and their meanings were a little different from what is mainstream today. Take a look at a sample language from centuries past. This guy’s story doesn’t even rise to the level of fake news.

http://www.public.asu.edu/~gelderen/hel/textlist.html

Felix

Of course language changes over time, but except for some expressions no longer in common use, my grandparents, born in the 1870s and ’80s, and I, born in 1950, spoke the same language. And I can usually understand kids born in this century.

In the late 15th century, older people speaking Late Middle English could still understand their grandkids speaking Early Modern English. To lose mutual intelligibility typically takes centuries. I could probably understand Queen Elizabeth I without too much trouble, but her great-great-grandfather John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset (maternal grandfather of Elizabeth’s paternal grandfather Henry VII), for example, almost certainly not, without prolonged exposure to the Middle English of 1403-44. Early Modern English is usually dated from 1450.

Knowledge of English, other modern and ancient Indo-European languages would presumably help me pick up the Proto-Indo-European or Proto-Germanic of 2500 BC, were I able to travel to that time and the place where PIE or its emerging Germanic dialect were spoken.

In the year 6485, if mankind can survive, it’s possible that technology would permit recovering recordings in 21st century English.

Felix

Speaking of the past and future, Proto-Germanic had apparently already lost the true future tense of PIE, as in Old and Modern English and other Germanic languages. Dialects of High German, plus Afrikaans, have taken this evolution further and lost the past tense as well.

German and Old English even more than Modern English use the present tense to represent future action, as in “Wir sehen uns morgen” for “We’ll see you tomorrow”. Modern German also forms synthetic future tenses with the helping verbs “werden” and “haben”, much as English does with “have”, “go”, “will” and to a lesser extent “shall”.

Spanish uses both a formal future tense, inherited from Vulgar Latin, and an informal future tense, formed with “ir” (to go) and the infinitive of another (or the same) verb, much as in English we say, “I’m going to go to town” (Voy a ir a la ciudad). The formal or simple future tense attaches endings to the infinitive form of the verb, as for instance, “Iré a la ciudad” (I will go to town).

Hugs

I never understood my mother, nor I am understanding my children. It is hell to understand my wife, yes. Mutual understanding requires common words. Words do stay sometimes long times, like millennia, but OTOH, I don’t know milking words nor my grandparents would know about cells, texts, software, internet, videos, copy-paste and such. So we’d share common words only on topics we share, and even those would be terribly distorted. I use several phonemes that my grandparents did not, which would quickly make my speech totally weird in their ears. My grandparents had a way of speech (dialect) that distorted most long vowels beyond recognition without context.

MarkW

If I was sending someone to France to be an observer, I’d make sure that they learned French.
If I was sending someone to the past to be an observer, I’d make sure that they knew the language of that time period.

John Endicott

And many people in Japan “learn” the English language but having a conversation in English with many of them isn’t easy as their pronunciation isn’t very good nor is their grasp of the nuances of the language and that’s with a language that is in use around the world where it’s possible to find native speakers to converse with and help you learn. How much more difficult to learn a “dead” language from thousands of years prior where there are no living “native” speakers to help you out with the nuances of the language?

John Harmsworth

If I was sending someone to the future or the past I would make sure they paid upfront.

Hugs

If I was sending someone to France to be an observer, I’d make sure that they learned French.

After an education and use of English for about 37 years, I don’t come close to a native Birmingham speaker and you won’t reach that level in 6491 missing the resources (like a community that speaks it around you when you are a kid).

When you hear someone speaking native English, it is a good guess it was learned as a child and that the speaker, often, does not speak any other language at the same level. True bilingualism is pretty rare. I know some who fooled me into thinking they are native speakers, but they have been through an environment that has two languages both used in all scopes, home, school, friends etc. And, I have only tested ONE of their two languages.

For a time traveller, he has went through a pretty advanced memory surgery to be able to speak Birmingham. They say you will need to remove more than half of your brain for that.

Is the video just humor, I don’t know, but it makes we weep on anyone who publishes it as journalism.

Hugs

has went (see the issue with learning foreign languages at later than beginning in the early childhood)

By the way, my daughters will have an obligatory programme in school. They will be taught English and Swedish. The Swedish is compulsory, English could be switched to some other language (options are not many).

Did you know why Hector Pieterson died?

Moderately Cross of East Anglia

Why can he even communicate in our English? The English language of Shakespeare’s time is beginning to become difficult for many people to understand, let alone Medieval English and that is only a matter of a few hundred years.

Oh wait, he has a universal translator stapled to his head and I’m taking this too seriously.
Time to get back in my time machine and visit Old Kingdom Egypt for beer and bread and make them laugh with stories of alien visitations and how “warm” the British climate has become.

John Endicott

Good point. Even just today’s kids use a lot of terms that didn’t exist or meant something completely different just 100 years ago (ie 1918) such that if you took a teen from today and a teen from 1918, communication between the two, while entirely possible, would not be without difficulties. Even more difficult when the two people are from diverse geographic areas (for example the Bronx NY and Dublin Ireland) where regional dialects would further complicate things. In other words, the further apart in time and space the two the more difficult the communication will be even when using the same base language.

DonM

Yes, but all he would have needed to do was to have watched all of the Gilligan’s Island episodes (and sang along with the intro tune) to be able pick up the local (time) vernacular.

ripshin

Come on, Eric. “Mainstream media”? Really? Daily Mail is basically the UK equivalent of our (U.S.) grocery market tabloids. Calling them “mainstream media” is just silly, and is more a reflection of your own bias than anything else.

rip

John Endicott

Which of the UK’s “Mainstream media” daily papers aren’t the UK of our (U.S.) grocery market tabloids?

MarkW

In the US, grocery market tabloids have broken a number of big stories that the so called “mainstream media” had decided to ignore.

John Endicott

And a whole lot of BS stories like this time traveler one, though usually involving Elvis, space aliens, and/or bigfoot.

Bob boder

Hey don’t dis the Weekly World News it was (is?) one of the most fun things to read and you would be shocked at how many people would believe the stories when you showed it to them in print.

MarkW

In other words there isn’t that much difference between the so called tabloids and the so called main stream papers.

Phoenix44

That’s pure fantasy. The Daily Mail is disliked by a vocal minority but it is a proper paper and has proper journalists. It runs pretty much the same news and stories as say the Times ot the Guardian.

You might not like its politics, but dismissing it that way is juvenile.

And no, i don’t read it.

old white guy

With his knowledge he should become very wealthy in a very short period of time. Unless of course nuts from that time period are just as nutty as those from our time period.

Charlie

I’ve found his time machine. It’shere

Twobob

Once upon a time in a land far-far away.
In a time of fable and rhyme.
Lived a Mann who like his weather cold.
His women hot and coffee creamy.
These things, he like, but never got.

I do like a good Tail. Said the cat.

So ask this geezer what they use for energy source in 6191.
All fossil fuel should be used up by then?

Khwarizmi

Once you build a time machine, and you step inside, dial up a date in the past and hit go, the entire universe flips into reverse causation. Everyone, everything, everywhere, must come along for the reverse ride.

So you find yourself unsettlng the date on the console, stepping out from the machine backwards into a room where you undrink your cup of tea, uneat your breakfast, unshower, then return to bed where you soon unwake, unfalling asleep the previous evening only to start engaging in the long backwards process of unbuilding your time machine. (The concept is similar to a film in reverse, but light flows outward from the camera lens into the sun, which allows you to unsee the action)
Eventually arriving at your destination, assuming you weren’t unborn during the journey as a consequence of the date you chose, you start reliving every step in your life that led to your development and use of a time machine.

And the entire universe is now stuck in a permanent loop, repeating the same sequence of events forwards then backwards, over and over again.
Let’s not build one!

Sara

This guy’s a Promoter of Balderdashery. I can prove it. The Timestampers are forbidden to promote time travel tourism, ever since they were found out and had their butts kicked by Fleet Marines. The illegal use of Timeslips by this whack job is gonna get him real trouble when he gets back.
If he really were a time traveler, he’d know that by 6489, the Earth has been emptied out by the Outward Bound program (sponsored by someone name Tesla) since 3165. It isn’t even viewed as a great vacay spot by anyone except ski bums and ice skaters because the ice line extends south to Kansas City and Damascus, and northward to Caracas and Nairobi.
He’s a crackpot. Probably comes from Entapi. All they do there is make bets on who can tell the biggest whopper.

Keitho

Entirely a crackpot

Frederick Michael

Wow. In the future it will take “work” by “brilliant mathematicians” to multiply the number of years by a ratio.

Who woulda thunk it?

John Harmsworth

Maybe the AGW crowd really does inherit the Earth.

joelobryan

The Time Travellers Equation.
ΔS ≥ 0

Of course, the inquality means we can only go forward.

An easy test of the liar is to ask him to tell us something in the near future like, like who runs for the US presidential election in 2020, and who wins.

Tom in Florida

Joel,
Could you answer, without looking it up, who ran for President in 1954 and lost?

Frederick Michael

LOL. Stevenson did it in 1956.

Tom in Florida

Yeah, that was a trick question to see if anyone would catch that there was not a Presidential election in 1954, it was 1956. Just trying to show that it is not reasonable to expect everyone who travels back in time to know everything about the past. After all, he could just be a real estate salesman on vacation.

Frederick Michael

Which is relevant, since the “time traveler” claimed that “brilliant mathematicians” in the future would “work” to compute the year on earth as a function of the year on his planet (i.e. do arithmetic). I suppose that’s harder than seeing if a number is divisible by 4, but …

Had I been the reporter I would have asked him some questions about mathematics, e.g., “What age do they teach algebra at?” Then, “How about coprophage arithmetic?”

It’s usually easy (and fun) to expose a BSer.

joelobryan

2020 is going to be a very consequential US Presidential election for the climate hustle.

The 2016 election of Trump was of course the first real body blow to the climate hustle. But the Democrats of course have large numbers of civil service allies hiding in the EPA, the DOJ, etc. But give it 8 years, then lots of govt retirements happen between 2020 and 2024.

But if a Democrat wins in 2020, a lot of what Trump has done can still be reversed. If Trump (or Pence) wins in 2020, then that will be a knockout blow to the climate hustle. History surely would remember that, just as much as it does who Abraham Lincoln was, and how he died.

John Harmsworth

What specifics can the average person tell us about what happened 4400 years ago?
I can say without fear of being wrong that nobody from the future arrived in this time at any time in recorded history.

MarkW

How many of us can tell which Egyptian Pharaoh was on the throne in any given year?

Bob boder

On this Date exactly 4500 years ago Hotep the first.

DonM

you cheated … you went back to check, didn’t you?

MarkW

I should have added “without looking it up”.

John Endicott

“If I was sending someone to the past to be an observer, I’d make sure that they knew” the key political players and events “of that time period”. 😉

Greg Cavanagh

How would you make sure you were correct in the first place? 4,500 years is a long time, I doubt youtube will still be operating.

John Endicott

Indeed it is, hence why I was mimicking Mark’s response from elsewhere in the thread in regards to learning languages.

Though, while youtube likely is long gone by then, there would be some kind of historical records. The only question being how trustworthy are those records. 4,500 years is plenty of time for multiple “adjustments” to be made to fit various agendas “of the day”.

Tom in Florida

The real question is what were they reading while “on the throne”.

tom0mason

The major problem is that if you wish to arrive back to (say) Earth but at a different time, you also have to arrive back at the correct place.
The Earth you see is not just traveling on it’s orbit around the sun but the sun is traveling around the outer spiral arm of our spinning Galaxy, our Galaxy is traveling across space, etc., etc.
Now tell me again how you can arrive back at earth — for wherever you start your journey is NOT where you wish to be when you get there.

Tom in Florida

There are 4 coordinates that establish where you are. In time travel, the time coordinate changes but the other three don’t. Didn’t you ever watch The Time Machine? So while you have a different Bat Time you still have the same Bat Channel.

John Endicott

As Tom points out, with time travel, you’d be setting 4 coordinates. So if you want to travel to Washington DC in 1980, for example, you wouldn’t just set your machine to take you to 1980, you set it to take you to where Washington DC (x,y,z coordinates) is in 1980 (t coordinate).