Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Mainstream media is excited that a self proclaimed time traveller from the year 6491, who claims that aliens will be discovered when the world heats up, has passed a lie detector test.
Man who claims he travelled from the year 6491 and is stuck in 2018 because his time machine broke ‘PASSES lie detector test’
A time traveller who believes he is from the year 6491 but got stuck in 2018 when his time machine broke down, has allegedly passed a lie detector test.
James Oliver’s story was doubted but paranormal experts say they were blown away when they put it to the test, because the results showed he was telling the truth.
Mr Oliver claims he lives more than centuries in the future but was sent back in time.
Paranormal YouTube site ApexTV carried out an experiment, which had bizarre results.
Mr Oliver passed every question.
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His story resembles the film plot to Back to the Future storyline, where Marty McFly gets stuck in the 50s after he runs out of plutonium to power his machine an old DeLorean car.
According to Mr Oliver global warming is going to get worse and our planet is going to get hotter. He also says there is a United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace.
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I can understand the media excitement. The wild claims of this alleged time traveller are more credible than the unfalsifiable computer models used by today’s climate scientists.
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Um.
This is a classic example of moderm Journalism. The ‘story’ is not something that any journalist has investigated – it is a clip which has been put up on a Youtube channel. In oarticular, I suspect that the ‘lie detector’ test, if conducted at all, used the equivalent of a party ‘guess your weight’ machine.
There is no evidence that this is anything more than a humorous piece of clickbait. From one point of view I suppose that we should be thankful that there are so few pieces of serious news breaking that this has had to be brought in to fill a hole on the 6th page…….
Most alarmist climate claims are humorous clickbait…
Wow! A broken down time machine. Even in the year 6491 quality control will leave a lot to be desired.
Plus ca change …
That’s why I always and only go forward in time. They always have parts for my current mode of transport.
It was running Windows649, and it’s still buggy.
Bahaha. He must have purchased the cheapo C-xziiiY “Cranoly” Model time machine, from China. I warned him about that. He’s a known liar, we are in another glacial period in 6491. That’s why so many of us travel back, just to get warm.
Who knew that Zerolemon would still be around in 6491?
Isn’t it typical that the time machine in question is hidden away somewhere and can’t be revealed.
The only chance we have of proving or disproving the time-travel story is thus conveniently unavailable.
Oh dear!
Tut-tut!
What a shame!
How sad!
You really want to go to the effort of trying to disprove it? I really don’t think that’s all that necessary.
Indeed, the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. If the “time traveler” can’t produce his time machine, then he fails at that burden and nothing more needs be done.
A more precise way of saying the whole thing is stupid.
Yes – exactly, and a sign of how low the mainstream press has fallen in the desperation to get clicks and views. Not that long ago a story like this would only have been seen in the Weekly World News, right next to a picture of BatBoy.
Faith or belief in something does not make it a FACT!
Al Gore, Michael Mann, all Green Renewable Energy advocates please note….
One of the more amusing comments under the DM piece ws “Can you ask him if by then Britain will have left the EU”
More like, “What happened to the EU”?
I’m a time traveller. Seriously.
i decided to travel through time minute by minute,
Another minute’s gone by typing this
Try typing faster.
Ha! that’s a killer!
I too am a time traveler, I travel forward in time at a rate of one second per second. 😉
Try hanging around your relatives, time slows down. Relativity, ya know.
Just like it now turns out the big UFO story was actually faux government documents produced by some washed up rock artist promoting a pork barrel pet project by democrat Harry Reid, this time traveller’s story is pure eye wash.
Beam me up Anthony!
I hate such liar. He gives real time travelers like me a bad name.
What a complete BS. Ever talked to a psychotic person? They can tell you the most outrageous imaginary stories, while being 100% sure, with 0% uncertainty. And they act on it too, because it’s true in their mind.
Enter the time traveller.
This man needs a psychiatrist, not a journalist to talk to. He needs some serious treatment.
I feel sorry for this guy, being turned into a circus act. Medieval times revisited.
Well, that’s what the greens want anyway, so it fits perfectly.
“This man needs a psychiatrist…”
Speaking of frauds…
He has one in his future. I’m pretty sure.
I would say that the journalist is the man most in need of a psychiatrist
And in the immortal words of George Costanza:
Test. No password to comment? Looks like I lost the comment now.
A DNA test might prove interesting.
+42
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
6491. Yeah. And speaks English? What a talent. I take it more seriously immediately when he gives a brief of languages used in 6491. Otherwise, he may as well try if his mommy recognizes him by going public.
I agree with the language barrier thought. Lauguage drifts. It has changed considerably in my 63 years. My great uncle Clyde(1898) was understandable, but his choice of words and their meanings were a little different from what is mainstream today. Take a look at a sample language from centuries past. This guy’s story doesn’t even rise to the level of fake news.
http://www.public.asu.edu/~gelderen/hel/textlist.html
Of course language changes over time, but except for some expressions no longer in common use, my grandparents, born in the 1870s and ’80s, and I, born in 1950, spoke the same language. And I can usually understand kids born in this century.
In the late 15th century, older people speaking Late Middle English could still understand their grandkids speaking Early Modern English. To lose mutual intelligibility typically takes centuries. I could probably understand Queen Elizabeth I without too much trouble, but her great-great-grandfather John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset (maternal grandfather of Elizabeth’s paternal grandfather Henry VII), for example, almost certainly not, without prolonged exposure to the Middle English of 1403-44. Early Modern English is usually dated from 1450.
Knowledge of English, other modern and ancient Indo-European languages would presumably help me pick up the Proto-Indo-European or Proto-Germanic of 2500 BC, were I able to travel to that time and the place where PIE or its emerging Germanic dialect were spoken.
In the year 6485, if mankind can survive, it’s possible that technology would permit recovering recordings in 21st century English.
Speaking of the past and future, Proto-Germanic had apparently already lost the true future tense of PIE, as in Old and Modern English and other Germanic languages. Dialects of High German, plus Afrikaans, have taken this evolution further and lost the past tense as well.
German and Old English even more than Modern English use the present tense to represent future action, as in “Wir sehen uns morgen” for “We’ll see you tomorrow”. Modern German also forms synthetic future tenses with the helping verbs “werden” and “haben”, much as English does with “have”, “go”, “will” and to a lesser extent “shall”.
Spanish uses both a formal future tense, inherited from Vulgar Latin, and an informal future tense, formed with “ir” (to go) and the infinitive of another (or the same) verb, much as in English we say, “I’m going to go to town” (Voy a ir a la ciudad). The formal or simple future tense attaches endings to the infinitive form of the verb, as for instance, “Iré a la ciudad” (I will go to town).
I never understood my mother, nor I am understanding my children. It is hell to understand my wife, yes. Mutual understanding requires common words. Words do stay sometimes long times, like millennia, but OTOH, I don’t know milking words nor my grandparents would know about cells, texts, software, internet, videos, copy-paste and such. So we’d share common words only on topics we share, and even those would be terribly distorted. I use several phonemes that my grandparents did not, which would quickly make my speech totally weird in their ears. My grandparents had a way of speech (dialect) that distorted most long vowels beyond recognition without context.
If I was sending someone to France to be an observer, I’d make sure that they learned French.
If I was sending someone to the past to be an observer, I’d make sure that they knew the language of that time period.
And many people in Japan “learn” the English language but having a conversation in English with many of them isn’t easy as their pronunciation isn’t very good nor is their grasp of the nuances of the language and that’s with a language that is in use around the world where it’s possible to find native speakers to converse with and help you learn. How much more difficult to learn a “dead” language from thousands of years prior where there are no living “native” speakers to help you out with the nuances of the language?
If I was sending someone to the future or the past I would make sure they paid upfront.
After an education and use of English for about 37 years, I don’t come close to a native Birmingham speaker and you won’t reach that level in 6491 missing the resources (like a community that speaks it around you when you are a kid).
When you hear someone speaking native English, it is a good guess it was learned as a child and that the speaker, often, does not speak any other language at the same level. True bilingualism is pretty rare. I know some who fooled me into thinking they are native speakers, but they have been through an environment that has two languages both used in all scopes, home, school, friends etc. And, I have only tested ONE of their two languages.
For a time traveller, he has went through a pretty advanced memory surgery to be able to speak Birmingham. They say you will need to remove more than half of your brain for that.
Is the video just humor, I don’t know, but it makes we weep on anyone who publishes it as journalism.
has went (see the issue with learning foreign languages at later than beginning in the early childhood)
By the way, my daughters will have an obligatory programme in school. They will be taught English and Swedish. The Swedish is compulsory, English could be switched to some other language (options are not many).
Did you know why Hector Pieterson died?
Why can he even communicate in our English? The English language of Shakespeare’s time is beginning to become difficult for many people to understand, let alone Medieval English and that is only a matter of a few hundred years.
Oh wait, he has a universal translator stapled to his head and I’m taking this too seriously.
Time to get back in my time machine and visit Old Kingdom Egypt for beer and bread and make them laugh with stories of alien visitations and how “warm” the British climate has become.
Good point. Even just today’s kids use a lot of terms that didn’t exist or meant something completely different just 100 years ago (ie 1918) such that if you took a teen from today and a teen from 1918, communication between the two, while entirely possible, would not be without difficulties. Even more difficult when the two people are from diverse geographic areas (for example the Bronx NY and Dublin Ireland) where regional dialects would further complicate things. In other words, the further apart in time and space the two the more difficult the communication will be even when using the same base language.
Yes, but all he would have needed to do was to have watched all of the Gilligan’s Island episodes (and sang along with the intro tune) to be able pick up the local (time) vernacular.
Come on, Eric. “Mainstream media”? Really? Daily Mail is basically the UK equivalent of our (U.S.) grocery market tabloids. Calling them “mainstream media” is just silly, and is more a reflection of your own bias than anything else.
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Which of the UK’s “Mainstream media” daily papers aren’t the UK of our (U.S.) grocery market tabloids?
In the US, grocery market tabloids have broken a number of big stories that the so called “mainstream media” had decided to ignore.
And a whole lot of BS stories like this time traveler one, though usually involving Elvis, space aliens, and/or bigfoot.
Hey don’t dis the Weekly World News it was (is?) one of the most fun things to read and you would be shocked at how many people would believe the stories when you showed it to them in print.
In other words there isn’t that much difference between the so called tabloids and the so called main stream papers.
That’s pure fantasy. The Daily Mail is disliked by a vocal minority but it is a proper paper and has proper journalists. It runs pretty much the same news and stories as say the Times ot the Guardian.
You might not like its politics, but dismissing it that way is juvenile.
And no, i don’t read it.
With his knowledge he should become very wealthy in a very short period of time. Unless of course nuts from that time period are just as nutty as those from our time period.
I’ve found his time machine. It’shere
Once upon a time in a land far-far away.
In a time of fable and rhyme.
Lived a Mann who like his weather cold.
His women hot and coffee creamy.
These things, he like, but never got.
I do like a good Tail. Said the cat.
So ask this geezer what they use for energy source in 6191.
All fossil fuel should be used up by then?
Once you build a time machine, and you step inside, dial up a date in the past and hit go, the entire universe flips into reverse causation. Everyone, everything, everywhere, must come along for the reverse ride.
So you find yourself unsettlng the date on the console, stepping out from the machine backwards into a room where you undrink your cup of tea, uneat your breakfast, unshower, then return to bed where you soon unwake, unfalling asleep the previous evening only to start engaging in the long backwards process of unbuilding your time machine. (The concept is similar to a film in reverse, but light flows outward from the camera lens into the sun, which allows you to unsee the action)
Eventually arriving at your destination, assuming you weren’t unborn during the journey as a consequence of the date you chose, you start reliving every step in your life that led to your development and use of a time machine.
And the entire universe is now stuck in a permanent loop, repeating the same sequence of events forwards then backwards, over and over again.
Let’s not build one!
This guy’s a Promoter of Balderdashery. I can prove it. The Timestampers are forbidden to promote time travel tourism, ever since they were found out and had their butts kicked by Fleet Marines. The illegal use of Timeslips by this whack job is gonna get him real trouble when he gets back.
If he really were a time traveler, he’d know that by 6489, the Earth has been emptied out by the Outward Bound program (sponsored by someone name Tesla) since 3165. It isn’t even viewed as a great vacay spot by anyone except ski bums and ice skaters because the ice line extends south to Kansas City and Damascus, and northward to Caracas and Nairobi.
He’s a crackpot. Probably comes from Entapi. All they do there is make bets on who can tell the biggest whopper.
Entirely a crackpot
Wow. In the future it will take “work” by “brilliant mathematicians” to multiply the number of years by a ratio.
Who woulda thunk it?
Maybe the AGW crowd really does inherit the Earth.
The Time Travellers Equation.
ΔS ≥ 0
Of course, the inquality means we can only go forward.
An easy test of the liar is to ask him to tell us something in the near future like, like who runs for the US presidential election in 2020, and who wins.
Joel,
Could you answer, without looking it up, who ran for President in 1954 and lost?
LOL. Stevenson did it in 1956.
Yeah, that was a trick question to see if anyone would catch that there was not a Presidential election in 1954, it was 1956. Just trying to show that it is not reasonable to expect everyone who travels back in time to know everything about the past. After all, he could just be a real estate salesman on vacation.
Which is relevant, since the “time traveler” claimed that “brilliant mathematicians” in the future would “work” to compute the year on earth as a function of the year on his planet (i.e. do arithmetic). I suppose that’s harder than seeing if a number is divisible by 4, but …
Had I been the reporter I would have asked him some questions about mathematics, e.g., “What age do they teach algebra at?” Then, “How about coprophage arithmetic?”
It’s usually easy (and fun) to expose a BSer.
2020 is going to be a very consequential US Presidential election for the climate hustle.
The 2016 election of Trump was of course the first real body blow to the climate hustle. But the Democrats of course have large numbers of civil service allies hiding in the EPA, the DOJ, etc. But give it 8 years, then lots of govt retirements happen between 2020 and 2024.
But if a Democrat wins in 2020, a lot of what Trump has done can still be reversed. If Trump (or Pence) wins in 2020, then that will be a knockout blow to the climate hustle. History surely would remember that, just as much as it does who Abraham Lincoln was, and how he died.
What specifics can the average person tell us about what happened 4400 years ago?
I can say without fear of being wrong that nobody from the future arrived in this time at any time in recorded history.
How many of us can tell which Egyptian Pharaoh was on the throne in any given year?
On this Date exactly 4500 years ago Hotep the first.
you cheated … you went back to check, didn’t you?
I should have added “without looking it up”.
“If I was sending someone to the past to be an observer, I’d make sure that they knew” the key political players and events “of that time period”. 😉
How would you make sure you were correct in the first place? 4,500 years is a long time, I doubt youtube will still be operating.
Indeed it is, hence why I was mimicking Mark’s response from elsewhere in the thread in regards to learning languages.
Though, while youtube likely is long gone by then, there would be some kind of historical records. The only question being how trustworthy are those records. 4,500 years is plenty of time for multiple “adjustments” to be made to fit various agendas “of the day”.
The real question is what were they reading while “on the throne”.
The major problem is that if you wish to arrive back to (say) Earth but at a different time, you also have to arrive back at the correct place.
The Earth you see is not just traveling on it’s orbit around the sun but the sun is traveling around the outer spiral arm of our spinning Galaxy, our Galaxy is traveling across space, etc., etc.
Now tell me again how you can arrive back at earth — for wherever you start your journey is NOT where you wish to be when you get there.
There are 4 coordinates that establish where you are. In time travel, the time coordinate changes but the other three don’t. Didn’t you ever watch The Time Machine? So while you have a different Bat Time you still have the same Bat Channel.
As Tom points out, with time travel, you’d be setting 4 coordinates. So if you want to travel to Washington DC in 1980, for example, you wouldn’t just set your machine to take you to 1980, you set it to take you to where Washington DC (x,y,z coordinates) is in 1980 (t coordinate).