Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Mainstream media is excited that a self proclaimed time traveller from the year 6491, who claims that aliens will be discovered when the world heats up, has passed a lie detector test.
Man who claims he travelled from the year 6491 and is stuck in 2018 because his time machine broke ‘PASSES lie detector test’
A time traveller who believes he is from the year 6491 but got stuck in 2018 when his time machine broke down, has allegedly passed a lie detector test.
James Oliver’s story was doubted but paranormal experts say they were blown away when they put it to the test, because the results showed he was telling the truth.
Mr Oliver claims he lives more than centuries in the future but was sent back in time.
Paranormal YouTube site ApexTV carried out an experiment, which had bizarre results.
Mr Oliver passed every question.
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His story resembles the film plot to Back to the Future storyline, where Marty McFly gets stuck in the 50s after he runs out of plutonium to power his machine an old DeLorean car.
According to Mr Oliver global warming is going to get worse and our planet is going to get hotter. He also says there is a United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace.
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I can understand the media excitement. The wild claims of this alleged time traveller are more credible than the unfalsifiable computer models used by today’s climate scientists.
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At least this “proves” that catastrophic warming didn’t take place and the human race survived.
Ha! Ha! Ha! +4473 =(6491-2018)
So it would be like some of us traveling back in time to see how they built a pyramid and tell them the world will be colder in 2018.
Brilliant! 🙂
It actually doesn’t prove that he is telling the truth only that He believes what he is indicating as the truth.
And…Yes, if he is telling the truth, then it DOES prove that humans survive far into the future
Indeed, anyone who does lie detection analysis professionally would not make a bland statement like “he is telling the truth”. Firstly lie detectors are lie detectors, not truth detectors.
Now go and look at the mickey mouse set up they called doing a lie detector test. Someone with no knowledge or training has some crap hooked up to his PC. The supposed “subject” seems to know more about the process than the guy on the computer.
He wades straight in with “OK, the first question: are you a time traveller?”
NO, that is not how you conduct a lie detector test, you first start with control questions to settle the subject in and calibrate the test apparatus to his “normal” responses.
This guy did not pass a lie detector test because he was never given one.
My planet is further away from the sun than yours is, so it takes longer to get around. ‘But we have gifted mathematicians who work to calculate our years from those from other civilisations.’
Well you hardly need a team of “gifted mathematicians” to multiply by a constant to do the conversion . What a total crock of sh8t.
For the average journalist, being able to use the four operations correctly = gifted mathematician.
Lie detector tests are full on bull$!@ur momisugly%. I have personally FAILED a lie detector test administered by NIS but subsequently cleared of wrongdoing by physical evidence I provided in the follow-up pressuring session about the failure. At that point there was a lot of hand-waving and excuses about the test’s integrity as they backpedaled on it’s infallibility.
That’s because the detector part resides in the interpretation by the operator — purely an opinion. The machine output has much the same weight as configurations of tea leaves or entrails. Any reliability depends on the ability of the operator to perform a cold reading. The whole setup is to foster the belief that the machine actually works in the hope of eliciting truthful answers. At best, the machine indicates emotional responses. Problem is that some people can’t hide their emotions which, in turn, can be caused by things other than lying. Plain stress for example.
It would be like returning to warn the Egyptians about the 4.2ky event. And the risk of allowing provincial governors to become hereditary sub-kings. If the Pharaoh had the power to reign in his outer provinces, he would have done so already.
At the time, they would still know about the drying up of the Sahara, which forced their people to create Egypt in the first place. And now you tell them even the Nile floods will end!
Or maybe they knew already and they built the Pyramids to preserve their culture during the approaching cold snap. Egypt survived for another two millennia, so it worked!
On the way back, you could tell the Greeks, Romans, and even Edward I the same thing
Or make a really big bet with Al Gore on exactly how many votes he will lose by.
Btw, I want the winning lotto numbers for the next 10 weeks. Proof positive of the veracity of this individuals claims. Better scientifically than a polygraph and the proceeds will go to the WUWT Charitable Foundation.
If you told Edward I that it was going to be colder for the next 550 years, he might not have wanted Scotland so badly, but have been content with building castles in Wales.
That or being from 1946 spelled backward (6491) means you can also claim he passed a lie detector test, backward of course. Hey I’m a time traveler too, I just got started a few years later than this guy.
People who believe that their lies are morally justified, rarely set off a lie detector.
People who actually believe that their lies are true, the misinformed or the delusional, don’t set one off at all.
Perhaps he does believe that everything’s backwards – a bit like the scene from “Little Big Man”. Viewed by that lens, it’s all true. His time machine is an Edsel he saved from a junk yard as a teenager.
I’m actually from 6492 when this guy has been charged with fraud and lost his time travel license. We make fun of him, calling him “Michael Mann”, and we laugh and laugh!
One could envision a cure for baldness by then.
Perfect.
This proves what a scam “lie detectors” are.
They are indeed. It is very interesting to research the history of the polygraph and to see what varied professionals say about it. One thing for sure; it gets “pushed” as a valid thing all over the place including TV progs that hang their hat on it 100% (Jeremy Kyle show).
LMAO. Great one! By the way Aldrich Ames passed 2 polygraph exams while spying for the Soviets and he was guilty as they come!!
Also, where did he learn to speak English? I mean, after 4K years don’t you think the langauge might change.
Ovi, Ovi, Ovi. Not a Caps fan but he deserves a Cup.
So we’ve got at least another 4000+ years before anything nasty happens. Extinction due to increasing CO2 is a long way off (in human terms anyway). He’s about 120 generations away from me in all measures.
If I believed this nonsense anymore than climate doom forecasts then I might take some comfort otherwise the Sidebar of Shame on the Daily Mail is where it belongs.
Hey man! This test was administered by top-notch people in their field. It’s way better than peer reviewed climate science!
You are being facetious right?
First I laughed a lot until I realized that, despite their future technology, our efforts to stop global warming will have no effect until 6491 and funds have been all for nothing.
If they can’t manage climate in 6491, how should we do now?
ROFL
Yes all the climate ignorer’s got it right we will deal with it in the future.
Actually the story doesn’t seem to say WHEN the catastrophic warming occurred. Could be 5 years from now, could be 4000 years from now.
Could be tomorrow!
Could be last year, and nobody noticed
I would hazard a guess that would be foolish to bet against, except that none of us will be around in 6491, that we will be deep into the the front end of a new glaciation.
Just another delusional Greenie..
Totally agree.
This is a video clip of a cult of CAGW guy making things up and a phoney lie detector test that obviously does not work.
This is a twist on previous fake time travel story that was started in 2003.
https://www.business2community.com/us-news/time-traveler-busted-insider-trading-fake-news-01949405
http://allthatsinteresting.com/john-titor
I guess this places the effectiveness of lie detector tests in question. Is a lie detector regarded as a defence in US courts?
Lie detector results are inadmissible in US courts. Furthermore, if they were as accurate as touted, they would only tell if the person tested thought it was the truth. They would have no way of detecting a psychotic/delusional head case.
Absolutely Wayne.
I know a psychotic person who had extreme behaviours for several years. Happily, most of this is behind him but he still truly believes some of the stories he created in his alternative universe and I very much doubt a lie-detector test would reveal anything.
Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it – George Costanza
Pretty sure that the lie detector gear had a Vandelay Industries logo on it.
And just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you…lol.
I watched a True Crime tv show last night and the killer passed his lie detector test. They arrested him later when the truth came out.
As I recall, psychopathic personalities typically pass lie detector tests without issue. One of the “benefits” of the condition.
A lie detector measures your physical responses. Does your heart beat go up or down, does your skin resistance change because you’re sweating, etc. etc. link
If you have a conscience you will have a physical response when you lie. If you have no conscience, not so much.
Most people become anxious when they knowingly lie, especially when lying about serious things like crimes, which will show up as biorhythm irregularities on a polygraph examination. Psychotics often lie unknowingly (ie. they believe their own lies), and sociopaths just don’t care, so these groups can frequently fool the test. And in any case, the results of a polygraph must be interpreted by the examiner, so the whole thing is a big subjective exercise and thus would never meet the standard of evidence in a court of law.
Polygraphs are still used by law enforcement to help clear suspects in the absence of definitive evidence, or as a means to gain leverage in interrogations.
Someone should find his present day ancestors and convince them not to have children )
Did he tell what kind of energy they are using in the year 6491 ? Can’t be fossil.
They have obviously reverted to using dung … Well, when I say dung – I mean Bullplop.
Any change he knows who won the world cup soccer 2018 ?
No Italy for obvious reasons, and not England for almost as obvious reasons.
Well this is a new angle for them I must say.
Lie detectors can be fooled. Not accepted in any court these days.
The man b e l i e v e s that he’s from the future, therefore the lie detector does not pick up any anomalies. If St. Augustine of Canterbury had been asked if he believed in a Christian deity, he’d have passed as well. It’s not about reality, it’s the power of delusion. BTW, I’m Napoleon.
There can’t be two of us you liar.
Why couldn’t there be two of you Napoleon, when yourself are both Jones and Napoleon?
I tried to have a conversation with myself, but gave it up when I found out I wasn’t that interesting.
Solipsism argues that you only have conversation with yourself anyway.
Strong solipsism is agnostic about the existence of some exterior, for lack of any way to check.
Weak solipsism says there surely is some exterior to yourself, has it is quite improbable that your mind has all the needed power to make up all the stimuli you process, but it doesn’t matter: anyway you first have to make any stimuli a part of your mind before arguing. And you sometime have it wrong at this step, that is, what’s in your mind is too different from what the exterior stimuli actually meant.
same in reverse, when you talk. Hence the projection.
Of course there can be more than one. Pieces that is. Napoleon Blownapart.
I suspect that good con-men can pass a lie detector test because they have no concern about lying.
No, the results showed he BELIEVED he was telling the truth.
Despite what many of the Climate Faithful assume, believing something doesn’t make it true.
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Wait…
so you only need to believe something to make it true?
Anyone see a problem with that line of thinking?
I believe I do.
Nope, you only need to Believe what you are saying is true to pass a Lie Detector Test
Exactly. He’s delusional, not lying. He “knows” he’s from the future and is telling the truth.
He wasn’t so delusional that he subjected himself to a properly run polygraph. He’s delusional in the same way Michael Mann is. He believes people will buy his B.S. This guy probably has tenure at U of Penn in 6491.
Man from the future in year 6491 … proves Al Gore is wrong again, the world has more than 10 years left
So he’s a good liar. I know a few climate alarmists who could match him.
“He also says there is a United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace”.
I think he’s been watching a little to much star trek.
We already have such a system. The Globalists already rule Europe, and they are extending their tentacles across the planet.
Peace or subjugation?
From the article
Great, we finally find out how you do the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, and now we get this.
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Strangely, while this “light years” comment shows the woeful lack of science in present-day science (fiction) journalism, it makes a weird sort of sense. Imagine you are traveling back in time to the exact spot in space where you are today (relative to the known universe). You would end up in the vacuum of space, at best.
With the solar system moving 260 km/sec relative to the galaxy with our galactic cluster moving about 600 km/sec relative to other clusters, multiplied by seconds in a year, multiplied by multiplied by 4473 years means that the earth would be about half a light year away from where we are now. And that doesn’t account for earth’s rotation, orbit, inclination, nor the Milankovitch cycles. Obviously half is less than one lightyear, but if you consider time-traveling, I suggest you calculate your spatial coordinates really, really carefully.
You are talking about teleporting, not time travel. With time travel, everything works out by itself. The universe knows!
What you are suggesting would require an absolute standard of spacial objectivity to actually exist.
However, there is a reason that Einstein described the modern theory of gravity, as well as the basis of scientific cosmology, with the phrase, “General Relativity.”
At the quantum level, wormholes through space and time naturally exist; however there is nothing to suggest that the positioning of such irregularities, is based on anything other than relative relationships between space and time.
Gravity creates the illusion of an objective center, against which all relative positions seem to be defined; but once outside the influence of the local center of gravity, the nature of the relative relationships fundamentally changes.
If Time Travel ever turns out to be actually possible, determining spacial coordinates will most likely be a function of mapping positioning, on the basis of relationships relative to the local sources of gravity.
Was Relativity a three or four star general?
Here and now are tied together. there is no “here” as a distinct place in a universe that is full of movement. That’s why I keep getting lost on the way to work. Never going home, but for some reason all the time going to work. I don’t know why they say you can’t go home again!
In a galaxy long ago and far away who the heck was Kessel? And why did his/her ancestors end up in Bohemia? My family name on my fathers side.
Obviously, a Dewees stuck in at some point.
Kessel plays for the Penguins. And he’s not that fast!
Ok, gives us a review of the movie, haven’t seen it yet want to know if I should.
And the Picard stratagy of being it two places at the same time.
“And the Picard stratagy of being it two places at the same time.”
i think that is an inaccurate description of the Picard Strategy
Are you referring to The Picard Maneuver? It’s only a sensor illusion of being in two places at the same time rather than actually being in two places at the same time.
Seems to me, that the only proof that he is being truthful, is to show how his so called broken time machine? Wonder it its a British Phone Box?
He was asked that. He says it’s hidden away and he can’t show us it. Alien time traveller channels Mikey Mann.
Sorry to be pedantic but it’s a Police box, there is a phone there too to call the police.
Indeed, the referenced British “Phone box” (ie Doctor Who’s TARDIS) is a Police box. However, a Phone booth (American style) was used as a Time machine by Bill and Ted during their excellent adventure.
Bill & Ted’s model was the Re-Tardis.
It’s pretty easy to learn to fool a lie detecor. Spies get training, for example.
Maybe they connected him to a bullshit detector.
In this case, all his answers were bullshit, and therefore true.
Basically you tighten your butt and release the squeeze when asked a triggering question. This helps pass the lie test.
that is my approach to answering any tricky question.
Most often the questioner doesn’t stick around for the answer
Off piste but good news-
Chevron wins $38m from Environmentalists behaving badly: extortion, fraud, witness tampering, corrupt practices
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/05/chevron-wins-38m-from-environmentalists-behaving-badly-extortion-fraud-witness-tampering-corrupt-practices/
Guess twice if you can see this big news in ABC BBC CBC NPR…. or other local news.
They did tell us Chevron is guilty of polluting Ecuador (which is false), and tell us that Chevron had to pay billions, but now that it all clears out, they’ll shut up and just think how to cut their damages (not Chevron’s).
This judgement appears to be against a crew of goofball criminals who couldn’t come up with $38M if they knocked off Fort Knox AND took back all their bottles. Not really a win and not even justice.
I remember an article in the WSJ about a police officer in Florida who spent years in prison after being charged with child molestation by infamous Janet Reno. His guilt has beem “confirmed” because he couldn’t pass a polygraph (lie detector) test. Many years later a real culprit was found. Reno didn’t even apologize for her false indictment. A pity this monster died of natural causes.
Polygraph tests may have been sometimes sucessfully used to scare criminals (as well as innocent people) but there is no scientific or statistical information that would support their reliability.
“… but there is no scientific or statistical information that would support their reliability.”
The top scientifically focused critique of the polygraph is a book, A Tremor in the Blood: Uses and abuses of the lie detector, by a bigshot psychologist, David Lykken.(There is also a report by the National Academy of Science, published as a book, that is similarly critical.) Its most memorable sentence goes something like this: ^You know you didn’t throw the spitball, but you blush when the teacher looks at you.” IOW, innocent persons can show stress when denying untrue accusations, and this stress can be greater than that shown when asked to deliberately lie about less consequential matters, making them guilty in the examiner’s eyes.
I blushed when you talked about somebody else throwing a spitball, but then again, I did it!
Janet Reno? Wasn’t she the penis envy poster child?
Is this guy related to Gavin Schmidt the director of GISS a division of NASA ? Didn’t Gavin Schmidt write a scientific paper last year on the search for aliens in our planet’s past who died out because of global warming caused by CO2 produced from fossil fuels? Maybe Gavin can help fix the guy’s time machine and they can both go farther back in time to meet the aliens.
I write comments like the above because the CAGW theory has shown me that we live in a world of OZ . It is hard to keep one’s sanity when 2/3 of the people believe in a religious religion and another 2/3 ( a lot of overlap of course) believe in a climate religion. What next ? Aliens will show up at our doorstep to rescue us from global warming?
I dont know what is reality anymore.
Bob Brown believes in climate change and aliens.
More Alice’s wonderland than Oz. With lots of people believing impossible things both before and after breakfast.
I get futureflashes of a new glacial period setting in with freezing temperatures even in the summer and poor Nick Stokes shivering in his future solar heated home.
and in vite goracle, n that mann to join them please
Alan: That would be a family reunion.
I suspect if someone truly believes in something like this then a lie detector is not going to pick up any lies because in their mind they are telling the truth.
His name is interesting. Do you suppose there is likely to be a James Oliver in the year 64…whatever?
Did they test him about his name? Perhaps he picked a name to blend in, like Ford Prefect.
Still, it’s sad he won’t get to see the turn of the century just nine years away.
They’re not very bright, these future people. Why haven’t they the equivalent of the AA or RAC recovery organisation to come out, or in his case back, to fix his machine?
I don’t think Alcoholics Anonymous is going to come out and fix any machinery.
well, since the time machines has as much existence as the proverbial pink elephants that drunks are said to see, I’m sure Alcoholics Anonymous have the necessary experience to deal with it.
In Blighty, AA = Automobile Association. For repairing time machines, you have to call Al-Anon members, who specialize in fixing.
Antecedents Anonymous?
Nonsense. We have plenty of lore from 41 millennia (far more easy to time-travel information than a man) we know there never was “United Nations style system of planetary leaders to ensure peace” in 65th century. An Emperor took control, Napoleon style, during the Butlerian Jihad against thinking machine and cyborg traitors. Right now in the future (sounds strange, but think again), the Emperor mind is still alive, despite his body killed.
Also, time travel is forbidden, only the time travel agency agents are allowed, to make sure that the past isn’t altered in a way that would preemptively prevent their whole civilization appearance. And that include preventing any disclosure of the time-travel, and taking care of unallowed time travelers before they do any harm (by, if necessary, getting even earlier in the past).
A neat thing about travel to the past is that you can’t change anything there, since it has already happened. Whatever a traveler from the future did or does there is done.
Travel to the future is possible, since that’s where we’re going every second anyway. By traveling faster in space, you travel relatively in time, too.
The past, not so much. While there are possible relativistic mechanisms for travel to the past, such as wormholes, other aspects of physics seem always to interfere to rule it out.
Travel to one’s own past, however, might just barely be possible, but would require virtually impossible amounts of energy. Travel to the more distant past is, on the basis of present understanding, simply not in the cards.
Thus a time machine to the future is just a very fast spacecraft.