Opinion by Andy May
Al Gore wrote in the Huffington Post (August 28, 2014) that the need for “bold action” to curtail “old dirty sources of energy … is obvious and urgent.” The proper scientific response to an assertion like that is why? How can I test this idea? Science is not a belief, it is a method of testing ideas. We use an idea to make predictions and then we gather data to see if the predictions are correct. If the predictions are accurate, the idea survives. If any of the predictions fail, the idea is disproven, and it must be modified or simply rejected.
Mr. Gore makes predictions that can be tested. He claims solar and wind are cheaper than “old dirty sources of energy” and that inaction would be extremely dangerous and destructive for America and the rest of the world. He further asserts that “carbon [dioxide] emissions” are linked to the “climate crisis.” He wants us to believe that man-made carbon dioxide is the dominant driver of global warming, that global warming is universally bad, and that the only way to prevent bad things from happening is to curtail our use of fossil fuels. He does not consider other options.
Let’s test these predictions. Are there any measurements today that suggest a future man-made climate catastrophe will occur? James Hansen wrote in his book Storms of my Grandchildren in 2009 that the Earth may become “runaway” if we burn our fossil fuel reserves and become barren like Venus. The late Stephen Hawking stated in a BBC interview with Pallab Ghosh in 2017, that:
“We are close to the tipping point where global warming becomes irreversible. … [We] could push the Earth over the brink, to become like Venus, with a temperature of two hundred and fifty degrees, and raining sulphuric acid”
In reality, Venus has a surface temperature of 460° to 477°C. Hawking misspoke and said 250°C, but we knew what he meant. The fact is, this cannot happen if the Earth has oceans. Venus has no oceans and its atmosphere is 97 percent carbon dioxide. Water has an enormous heat capacity and because of this the Earth’s surface contains more thermal energy than the surface of Venus, even though Venus is at least 445°C (800°F) warmer. For the Earth to become like Venus would require the oceans to completely boil away and the resulting water vapor would have to be ejected into outer space, no greenhouse gas could accomplish that. The oceans contain over 99.9 percent (click here to download a spreadsheet with the details of this calculation) of the thermal energy on the surface of the Earth and their average temperature is only 4° to 5°C (40°F); they will not be boiling away anytime soon. The oceans also limit the maximum sea-surface temperature on Earth to 30°C (86°F) according to an article by Newell and Dopplick in the Journal of Applied Meteorology in 1979. This limit is supported by NASA researchers, Sud, Walker and Lau in a Geophysical Research Letters article in 1999 entitled: “Mechanisms Regulating Sea-Surface Temperatures and Deep Convection in the Tropics.”
Al Gore, Deepak Chopra and Sir David Attenborough have suggested that industrialization and economic growth are dangerous for the environment. But, we do not observe this. The developed world is cleaner and has a better environment than the developing world. Compare the environment in Switzerland or the USA to that in Haiti or Bangladesh, for example. NASA provides us with the Environmental Performance Index (EPI). The higher the index the better the environment. Haiti has an EPI just below 40 and Bangladesh has an EPI of just over 40. Switzerland, Western Europe, Iceland and the USA are all over 80. Once countries produce more than about US$2,000 per person, the country begins to invest in the environment. The environment improves steadily, until the EPI reaches 80 at about US$15,000 per person and then it flattens out. Prosperity, industrialization and economic growth lead to a cleaner environment, not the other way around. Details and a plot of the EPI for most countries can be seen here and in Figure 1.

Human health, life expectancy, and the percent of life spent disabled all improve as GDP per person improves according to the World Health Organization. Lant Prichett and Lawrence Summers documented some of this in an article in the Journal of Human Resources entitled “Wealthier is Healthier.” World life expectancy at birth has increased from 58 years in 1970 to 71.5 years today. According to the World Bank, as energy use per person increases in the world, life expectancy increases (Figure 2). The infectious disease rate worldwide has dropped from 900 per 100,000 people in 1970 to just over 100 today, according to the World Health Organization. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control the U.S. cancer rate has dropped from about 215 per 100,000 in 1992 to 160 per 100,000 today.

The population of the world has increased from 4.5 billion people in 1980 to over 7 billion people today according to the United Nations. Yet, the number of poor is less than half what it was in 1980 according to the World Bank. Food production is up, and each person has access to 700 more calories of food than they had in 1960 (UN FAO).
So, the data we have available today do not suggest economic growth, prosperity and increasing industrialization are causing an impending catastrophe, things seem to be improving, if anything. Climate and economic models suggest that things might change in the future, but models can be wrong and often are, as discussed in Judith Curry’s GWPF report Climate Models for the Layman (2017). Measurements are more important than models or “expert” predictions, if you don’t see the problem in the measurements, it’s not a problem. We have also seen that global warming will not destroy the planet or humans, even in the worst predictions, regardless of what James Hansen and Stephen Hawking have said.
Are solar and wind cheaper than fossil fuels? Not according to a peer-reviewed article in the journal Energy, by D. Weißbach, et al. in 2013. They did a very detailed study of energy returned on energy invested and found that solar, wind and biomass energy sources, when backed up for night time, cloudy days and still air, do not even meet the basic threshold of returning the enegy invested in their manufacture, operation and installation. Reports that solar and wind capacity (see the IEA here) additions might be cheaper than natural gas or coal plant additions by 2020 (or some other date) ignore the fact that solar energy does not work at night and wind power does not work when there is no wind or the wind speed is not in the ideal range. Research shows that nuclear, hydroelectric, coal and natural gas all do well in producing reliable electricity; but solar, biofuels and wind cannot even pay for themselves. The one scenario where solar might do a little better than breakeven is in the Sahara desert, but still it is very close to the economic threshold.
In a recent report on the levelized cost of generating electricity, the EIA carefully separates the cost calculations for “dispatchable” generation, such as coal or natural gas, from “non-dispatchable” technologies such as solar and wind. For our grid to work properly electricity has to be available on demand and not just when the wind blows and the Sun is shining. Since there is no currently available or planned technology for storing electricity at a grid scale, all solar and wind requires a 100% fossil-fuel, hydroelectric or nuclear backup. The EIA, unlike Weißbach, et al., does not add the cost of this backup into their comparison. So, why bother with solar and wind at all if you are going to have to build the fossil fuel backup anyway? From the EIA report:
“Because load must be balanced on a continuous basis, generating units with the capability to vary output to follow demand (dispatchable technologies) generally have more value to a system than less flexible units (non-dispatchable technologies), or than units using intermittent resource to operate. The LCOE [Levelized cost of electricity] values for dispatchable and non-dispatchable technologies are listed separately in the tables, because comparing them must be done carefully.” EIA report, page 2.
Does adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere drive climate change? To the best of our knowledge, the impact of man-made CO2 on climate has never been measured. Models, of various kinds have been used to estimate the impact, but the IPCC, in 2014, in their fifth climate assessment report would not even commit to a most likely value for the impact of doubling atmospheric CO2. They only reported a range of values from 1.5° to 4.5°C. It just so happens this is the same range reported by the 1979 National Academy of Sciences study, the so-called “Charney Report.” So, this topic has been researched for 38 years, by thousands of scientists, at a cost of over $100 billion, in the U.S. alone according to the GAO, and the impact of man-made carbon dioxide has still not been measured. The estimated range of values is still 1.5° to 4.5°C, a factor of 3. The assertion that man-made carbon dioxide is driving climate change has very little support in measurements.
As we wrote in Climate Catastrophe! Science or Science Fiction:
“99.9 percent of the Earth’s surface heat capacity and total surface thermal energy (heat) is in the oceans and less than 0.1 percent is in the atmosphere. Further, CO2 is only 0.04 percent of the atmosphere. It beggars belief that a trace gas (CO2), in an atmosphere that itself contains only a trace amount of the total thermal energy on the surface of the Earth, can control the climate of the Earth. This is not the tail wagging the dog, this is a flea on the tail of the dog wagging the dog. Extraordinary evidence is needed to convince us of this hypothesis. Since the impact of man-made CO2 on climate has never been measured and is only crudely estimated with unvalidated models, the jury is still out on this idea.”
The one change we can measure, that is due to man-made carbon dioxide emissions, is that they are largely responsible for making the Earth greener. This is particularly true in the Sahel region of Africa. In the May, 2017 issue of the journal Ecological Indicators, Peng Li, and co-authors show that additional atmospheric CO2 is largely responsible for an 18 percent increase in worldwide plant growth. The Sahel is also greener today due to additional CO2, according to a study published online in June 2015 by Buwen Dong and Rowan Sutton in Nature Climate Change. Zaichun Zhu and co-authors reported in Nature Climate Change in 2016 that the Earth is over 21 percent greener than in 1982 and that CO2 fertilization is responsible for over 70 percent of the greening. Thus, the only hard data we have on the impact of man-made carbon dioxide emissions is positive. Currently, it appears that these emissions are net beneficial. Richard Tol, in a paper published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives in 2009, has hypothesized that the net gain from additional carbon dioxide may persist for decades. This hardly seems to be an urgent problem, if indeed, it is a problem at all. So, we ask:

Finally, we need to address methods and timing of solutions to the “climate crisis” if there is one. Gore’s proposed solution is mitigation. He has asserted man-made CO2 is the cause, so we need to emit less of it. This is his only proposed solution. Climate change has been with us for millions of years, humans have usually dealt with it by adapting or migrating to more pleasant climates.
We have established that climate change, whether man-made or not, is not an existential crisis. What are the potential problems then? Global (or eustatic) sea-level rise, currently 1.5 to 3.2 mm/year, is one potential problem for people who live on the coast. But, it’s not a problem for anyone else. There is a great debate about whether it might accelerate in the future, but there is no data showing acceleration now. In fact, the rate of sea-level rise since mid-2015, has been very modest as seen on the NOAA/NEDIS/STAR laboratory for satellite altimetry sea-level plot. The Church and White CSIRO dataset is plotted in Figure 4 for the 20th century.

The rate of sea-level rise changes over time with ocean cycles, but the long-term trend is modest and quite linear. Sea-level rise, or the equivalent problem of isostatic land sinking, which is happening in some areas, can be dealt with locally much more effectively with infrastructure like sea walls and barriers, or by encouraging people to move to safer areas. Likewise, regardless of Al Gore’s histrionics, extreme weather is not increasing, and most data shows it is decreasing as the world warms, as discussed by Roger Pielke Jr., in his U.S. House of Representatives testimony in 2017. If people continue to live and build in areas prone to extreme weather, the best solution is better infrastructure, or increasing insurance rates to discourage building.
The world has warmed about 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.6 degrees F) since the 19th century. The geological epoch since the last glacial maximum is called the Holocene, which began about 11,700 years ago. In central Greenland, where we have high quality ice core records of air temperature, the GISP2 record by Richard Alley (2004) shows a 10°C temperature increase from 11,755 years ago to 11,611 years ago, this is 18°F in 144 years! Evidence that the surface air temperatures rose 5-10°C in just a few decades over the entire Northern Hemisphere at this time is presented in (Severinghaus, et al. 1998), link. This warming event occurred well before man used fossil fuels. Humans adapted to this change and even thrived. Farming was invented and the first stone monument we know of was built near Gobekli Tepe in southern Turkey about this time.
There is no evidence of an impending climate crisis in the data, and the climate model projections are all contestable. Historically, humans have adapted well to climate changes and humans currently live in areas with temperatures of 120°F and -58°F. We have already adapted, somewhere, to extremes that are much worse than any projected by the global climate models. Adaptation in place, or moving to a place with a better climate, is easier for prosperous people than poor people. The number of poor people peaked in 1970 at 2.2 billion and has declined to 705 million in 2015 according to the World Bank and OurWorldinData.org. The number of poor are fewer every day. The best protection we can offer humanity from potentially dangerous climate change is a prosperous and robust economy. Local adaptation to climate change, whether natural or man-made, is always better, more efficient, and more effective than trying to mitigate climate change worldwide by curtailing or eliminating fossil fuels.
Cheap, widely available energy makes us more prosperous and more adaptable. Let’s not eliminate the one tool that ensures our future or increase its price unnecessarily. The debate on the possible dangers of man-made carbon dioxide emissions will continue. As we conduct this debate we need to separate conjecture from observations (data). When model projections are presented, ask if they are validated. Have they predicted anything accurately? Are there any current data that show a significant change in trend? If the model projections of catastrophe cannot be seen in current observations, they are not a problem. Be skeptical.
Andy May is a writer and author of “Climate Catastrophe! Science or Science-Fiction?” He retired in 2016 after 42 years in the oil and gas industry as a petrophysicist.
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Does global climate change require a global solution?
You don’t negociate with the “global climate”.
It’s beyond repair.
We are facing the music.
Like Confucius once said:
“when there’s a problem, there’s a solution. If there’s no solution then there’s no problem”
No global solution
Sorry
“beyond repair”:
please do explain.
thanks in advance
you miss the point. they don’t need a global solution for a global climate change problem. They needed a global problem to justify the global solution they chose way before: global government. Globull Warming fitted the bill.
A global problem like the ozone layer didn’t. It could be solved without global government.
War don’t fit the bill, either. You don’t need to unite the world for solve a war , and when you do, it [also] means the world unity cannot be achieved
Disease do not either. even if very spread, like aids, this is still a local, country by country and even person by person fight. No need for global gov.
Economy? no.
So what?
Well, let’s try global warming.
Won’t work either.
General question. Are there any web sites that will allow one to choose a particular measuring station within any of the various climate data bases and then trivially plot the deviation from the long term average. 10+ yrs ago I used Excel and manually downloaded data from one of the Dutch sites. I found the Cdn Arctic sites were close to useless as they only lasted a few yrs and then moved. However, looking at Eurasian Arctic sites failed to show much warming. Would like to do it again but effort is significant.
‘He does not consider other options.’
He hasn’t proven his assertions. ‘Climate crisis.’ Rilly?
Other options is down the list is the process.
Why would the water vapour need to be ejected to space? The atmosphere would contain more mass and that would result in a higher surface temperature.
The present average temperature is the result of significant heat distribution by the connectedness of the oceans. The tropical latitudes have a net gain in heat and the higher latitudes a net heat loss. If oceans were not continuous over these latitudes then there would be greater differences in temperature between latitudes. The. Dead Sea is a likely indicator of what the lower levels of the tropical latitudes would become.
The ocean distribution of heat is vital to the relative stability of the average surface temperature.
“Why would the water vapour need to be ejected to space? The atmosphere would contain more mass and that would result in a higher surface temperature.”
Why? Because water vapor is lighter than other gases present, so it will rise. Because rising air is cooled, the vapor will condense at some high altitude, no matter how hot the surface. Heat of condensation will warm the remaining vapor, causing it to rise even more. Thus heat absorbed at the surface is transported to high altitude where it can radiate to space, while at the same time clouds are formed which block incoming sunlight. The condensed water falls to the surface or lower altitude to be re-evaporated and transport even more heat to space.
This evaporation at the surface followed by condensation at high altitude moves vastly more heat up from the surface than could ever be moved down by down-welling IR.
For the Earth to get to the boiling point of water, or even close, would require eliminating the water.
SR
Stevan Reddish, Good answer, well written! +1
The tropical latitudes of Earth already show the influence of high water vapour. Those latitudes are net absorbers of heat. The heat is transported to higher latitudes where there is a net heat loss:
https://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=CERES_NETFLUX_M
These are top of the atmosphere fluxes and the net flux in the tropics is dominated by water vapour. Water vapour dramatically lowers rate of heat loss from the surface.
I agree that clouds will still form due to water solidification at high altitude and eventually return to lower altitudes where it will liquify and then to even lower altitude where it will vaporise via surface heat and again rise. This is in tropical regions where there is net heat input.
At higher latitudes, where there is net heat output, there is the prospect of the water just forming icecaps. Depends on how well the atmosphere can transfer the heat from the lower latitudes. Present oceans are significant in transporting the heat from low to high latitudes as well as distributing heat from the Southern Hemisphere to the northern.
Neither of these situations result in the water being ejected to space. The mass of the atmosphere increases and the surface temperature in the tropics rises accordingly.
RickWill,
I do not dispute that the tropics absorb more radiation (thermal energy) than they emit, whether it is due to clouds or not. But, water vapor does not lower the rate of thermal energy loss from the surface. It is the primary vehicle for removing thermal energy from the surface and transporting it elsewhere (see Pierrehumbert, 2011 or Benestad, 2016). This can be done via “deep convection” (aka thunderstorms) or by winds or ocean currents. Evaporation and later condensation acts as a thermostat in the tropics and keeps them from becoming too hot (>30 degrees).
The mass of the oceans is huge ~265 times that of the atmosphere, yet the water plays an outsized role in surface thermal energy storage. As long as this mass of water and water vapor exists on the surface, the temperature cannot rise very high as long as the Sun’s output does not vary by a very large amount. If the oceans do begin boiling, due to a very large influx of energy, the temperature is still limited. It is only when the water has mostly been ejected to space that there is no limit.
Andy May
Nothing you have stated explains why the water vapour would be ejected to space if the surface temperature was higher. That is what I questioned in the original article.
For the surface to get hotter the gas law requires the atmospheric mass to increase or atmospheric constituents to change to alter specific heat. We already see that this occurs by water vapour increasing as the surface temperature increases.
Thermostatic control of Earth relies on the transport of heat from low latitudes to high latitudes. We already see the presence of high water vapour content over the tropical oceans limits the rate of heat loss resulting in a net gain:
https://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=CERES_LWFLUX_M
https://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=CERES_NETFLUX_M
The excess heat is transported to higher latitudes and ejected. The variation in extent of sea ice is the main temperature control through the well known iris effect:
http://landscapesandcycles.net/arctic-iris-effect-and-dansgaard-oeschger-event.html
The CERES data confirms, in fine detail, that more heat is lost over northern and southern ocean water than is lost over the sea ice in those regions. Reducing sea ice is like opening the blinds covering a window. Increasing sea ice is like closing the blinds on a window. The extent of sea ice provides fine control over the amount of heat retained in Earth’s climate system.
What a great article, Andy! Comprehensively demolishes all the “sacred cows” of CAGW and the war against reliable hydrocarbon energy sources in a succinct, well-argued piece!
It’s always good to have this kind of article available to refute the nonsense one hears from alarmists and the MSM. Thanks again, Andy!
If Gore had not found a way to monetize climate hype, I dout if anyone woud not notice.
For most, the Climate Hustle is about money.
For a few, it is about Political Power.
Both seek to be the Common Man’s better, at his expense.
The Common Man would be wise to think for himself and guard his wallet.
Excellent article Andy but this quote needs correcting:
Richard Attenborough was the actor brother of the nature film maker David.
Truth is no defense.
Truth does not require defense.
The Big Lie requires defense. Which is where the rent-seeker climateers are today.
This very simple but very effective video shows the guff underpinning most of the points made in this article, especially the ‘super guff’ about increased CO2 ppm resulting in a greening planet: https://mankindsdegradationofplanetearth.wordpress.com/2018/05/20/watch-causes-and-effects-of-climate-change-national-geographic-on-youtube/
sorry, but explaing away the facts of greeing with Nat Geo propaganda only works for schills and dummies.
which are you?
Works for me. Excellent vid summing up AGW in a nutshell.
A good article, thank you Andy May.
Just two minor things:
a) The text refers to Richard Attenborough but the link takes you to his brother David.
b) You describe that for the temperature to increase beyond water’s boiling point the water vapor has to escape. This is not true. If no liquid water is present, all being boiled off, you can increase the temperature of the water vapor far beyond boiling point. It’s called superheating and they do it in thermal power plants – the steam is typically superheated. I’m not saying it will happen on earth though, I agree with the main theme of the article.
On point b): I wondered about that statement momentarily, too. Then I realized Andy was describing what was necessary for the world to experience warming past the boiling point of water.
As long as water vapor remains in the atmosphere it functions as a heat transport mechanism, convectively moving heat to high altitude. When the vapor condenses at altitude, it releases all the heat it absorbed at the surface by boiling. The heat radiates to space while the water falls back to the surface where it can boil/evaporate again and carry additional heat to high altitude. If the water evaporates before reaching the surface, it cools the atmosphere at that level.
The only way to break the cycle is to get rid of the water vapor. Move it out of the atmosphere, or disassociate the molecules and disperse the hydrogen to space.
Thermal power plants are not comparable because the water vapor is not allowed to rise to high altitude.
SR
Maybe the water vapor will escape? I don’t know. But if the water vapor does not escape, then from a thermodynamic point of view there is no reason why enough added heat will not vaporize all the water and keep the temperature high enough for no condensation to take place. Maybe at high altitudes water will condense and fall down, but vaporizes again before hitting the surface. So the temperature of the atmosphere close to the surface will still go way beyond boiling point.
Not so?
You can’t destroy or create energy. If you keep on adding heat and don’t remove water from the system and claim the temperature stays below boiling point, where does the added energy from added heat go to? My conjecture is that the added heat (energy) boils all the water, the water stays in vapor state (close to the surface in any case) and the temperature rises to store the added energy.
Pieter: You can’t destroy or create energy. If you keep on adding heat and don’t remove water from the system and claim the temperature stays below boiling point, where does the added energy from added heat go to?
Stevan already answered this when he said: As long as water vapor remains in the atmosphere it functions as a heat transport mechanism, convectively moving heat to high altitude. When the vapor condenses at altitude, it releases all the heat it absorbed at the surface by boiling. The heat radiates to space while the water falls back to the surface where it can boil/evaporate again and carry additional heat to high altitude. If the water evaporates before reaching the surface, it cools the atmosphere at that level
Pieter, Thanks for pointing out the error in Attenborough’s name, I’ve fixed that. The idea that all of the water would have to be ejected to outer space is true, except perhaps a small residual amount. Otherwise the maximum temperature would be limited by condensation and the resulting emission of thermal radiation. In the case of Venus, it’s water is broken down to hydrogen and oxygen and these are ejected to space. Venus has a fairly strong electrical field, unlike Earth, so it can break down water molecules.
Good post Andy May, thank you. Nevertheless, I cannot agree with every words of it, my concerns are the followings. You wrote:
„the rate of sea-level rise since mid-2015, has been very modest as seen on the NOAA/NEDIS/STAR laboratory for satellite altimetry sea-level plot and in the Church and White CSIRO dataset plotted in Figure 4.”
No, it is not seen in figure 4 because figure 4 depicts sea level rise between 1900 and 2000.
You also wrote:
“Research shows that nuclear, hydroelectric, coal and natural gas all do well in producing reliable electricity; but solar, biofuels and wind cannot even pay for themselves.”
While I entirely agree with the first part of that sentence, I am deeply convinced that solar power on industrial scale can be economical even at our recent technological circumstances.
There is only one minor problem with solar energy. It is that sun does not shine at night, a problem easy to overcome. It is easy to overcome and what is more, without grid scale storing of electricity or without redundant energy source of any kind like fossil-fuel, hydroelectric or nuclear backup.
Am I the only one who knows how to do this?
Tari Péter
Apparently, yes. You are the only person in the world who has figured how to do this.
By the way, the sun’s rays are actually only bright enough to produce usable power 6 hours per day (on average through the year). Your “system” – whatever it is – needs to overcome this minor problem of needing to generate 4x the needed power during those fleeting moments of daylight to reliably release power the remaining 3/4 of the time. Worse, since there are irreversible losses during the energy production, conversion, storage, and re-conversion and re-transmission (and clouds and dust and humidity and atmospheric losses as well), you actually have to generate about 5x the needed power during each hour of daylight (between 9:00 am and 3:00 pm).
It’s not 12 hours of sunlight each day. Only 6.
Turn off everything at night, Tari?
Tari, You do need to click on the link to see the flattening of the sea level curve from 2015 to the present. You are correct the Church and White dataset does not show that period. I’ve fixed the text. I’m sure the world is very interested in how you will get solar panels to work at night.
“the GISP2 record by Richard Alley (2004) shows a 10°C temperature increase from 11,755 years ago to 11,611 years ago, this is 18°F in 144 years!”
I don’t understand why Alley talks about the “CO2 control knob” contradicting his own research finding. Maybe it’s research funding over research finding
I’m a total novice here, but I’m skeptical of using the claim that temperatures increased by 10C at the beginning of the Holocene as backup for this argument. The world had just come out of an ice age so you’d expect there to be massive temperature differences between the periods just before and after the deglaciation… we’re not receding from an ice age like the last large one, so how is this a fair comparison? Would appreciate some insight into this, I’m only 17 and new to this whole thing
Nick,
The easy answer to this, or rather, the answer that most would give, is that there’s ample evidence we’re recovering from the Little Ice Age (LIA). You can find examples and evidence suggesting that since roughly 1650 the earth has been warming (some contest that it was only the Northern Hemisphere or was merely regional or whatever).
See this link for a nice story here: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/22/relative-homogeneity-of-the-medieval-warm-period-mwp-and-the-little-ice-age-lia/
Additionally, and perhaps even more valuable, I’d personally recommend reviewing Anthony’s Paleoclimate Reference Page: https://wattsupwiththat.com/paleoclimate/
As you scroll down, you’ll see charts of temperature reconstructions going back further and further. This will give you a nice perspective of where our current “global average temperature” stands relative to the history of the earth. Note: the data / charts on this page are sourced from credible, published climate research.
Hopefully this has answered your question of why it’s valid to use “recovery from an ice age” as a backup argument for current warming. If not, please feel free disagree, ask more questions, or respond with a comment.
Respectfully,
rip
Nick, Many geologists (including me) believe that the Little Ice Age was a failed attempt to go into a new glacial period. The orbital parameters were there, we just didn’t quite make it, thankfully. The next possible entry into a glacial is several thousand years away, so we got a reprieve. More here: https://judithcurry.com/2017/05/28/nature-unbound-iii-holocene-climate-variability-part-b/
Quote: “As mentioned above, Holocene cycles display abrupt cooling at their lows, creating the conditions for enhanced iceberg activity in the North Atlantic that produces Bond ice-rafting events. As the three cycles have different periodicities, sometimes the lows of two cycles are so close together in time as to make it difficult to resolve them. This is the case in the Little Ice Age, when the lows of all three cycles took place in close succession, contributing to make this the coldest period in the Holocene, bringing it to the brink of triggering a glacial period.”
It failed and we are now in the warming period of two major climate cycles, it may very well be that this is the cause of the recent rapid warming.
Controlling climate change is a rather silly notion . Don’t see any Park Rangers trying to shut off the volcano eruptions in Hawaii .
Why don’t these scary climate charlatans at least speak in plain English ? What they mean is reduce the standard of living of rich countries and cause mass population extermination in poor countries by cutting off
affordable access to energy . Cow dung burners in La Jolla are just not on .
Look efficiency is good and so is conservation but do it for the right reasons. Not some rent seeking con job
claiming to set the earth’s thermostat .
Look at the biggest promoters of this fraud . They ain’t no Gandhi’s . Not one of them .
Thank you for this, it makes it so easy to understand. Needs to be sent to all politicians and all “experts” and we should stand by while they read it !!