Bumper sticker seen today – I call it 'fracktarded'

There’s plenty of fake news out there, alarmist misinformation, and outright lies. I happened to pull up behind this vehicle today at a stop light and snapped a photo of what I consider one of the most ridiculous and outright false bumper stickers I’ve ever seen. Of course, only an emotional liberal would display something like this.

It reads:

FRACKING IS CHEMICAL WARFARE, POISONING THE WATER, THE EARTH, AND YOU.

Chemical warfare? Now I’ve heard it all.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t make out the fine print at the bottom, but I suspect it’s from those idiots at “Frack Free Butte County” who got a moratorium passed a couple years ago in a county where there’s no oil or gas exploration going on (mainly due to geography) and there’s just one tiny section of the county where there are some old gas wells (maybe a dozen or two) that are decades old.

The whole campaign was so stupid, I wrote a detailed report to the County Supervisors about why fracking is safe, who tabled the decision and left it up for a public vote. That then turned into a bunch of scare tactics, and since there was no interest in Butte County for any future oil and gas exploration, it went unopposed and passed, becoming a pointless law accomplishing nothing but make a bunch of fools feel good about themselves.

Watch this if you can stomach it.

 

 

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Bryan A

The bottom line is advert of where it was purchased
https://www.peaceproject.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/S589
I redacted the .JPG extension so as not to offer free advertising for idiots

David Smith

Just checked out the site. Bumper stickers for morons.

David Smith

I notice that the “smash the sytem” website still takes Amex…

For those who might not understand what Bryan A. means by “redacted the .JPG extension”, … he means that he left .jpeg off the web address, and if you want to see the image, you have to copy the part of the web address he listed and then add .jpeg to it to get the full address that leads to the image.

http://www.placeography.org/index.php/Northern_Sun_Merchandising%2C_2916_E_Lake_St%2C_Minneapolis%2C_Minnesota
Almost thirty years ago, Scott Cramer hopped on a bicycle and journeyed from Illinois to Minneapolis, not knowing where he’d live or what he’d do when he got here. Around that time, there was a near nuclear disaster at the Three Mile Island power plant on the East Coast. The young Cramer had some t-shirts printed protesting nuclear power, selling them at protests. He later added to his arsenal shirts protesting the war, and his side operation soon grew into a full-time job—a business Cramer named Northern Sun Merchandising. Years later, Cramer owns the largest message-oriented merchandising company in the country, selling shirts and bumper stickers with alternative messages to people from California in the West to New York in the East.
Scott should have spent a little more time studying the facts, rather than allowing his enthusiasm to conflate any manner of activity into a pop scare fest feeding his business.

Menicholas

Says the person driving a VW!
Hah!

Paul Johnson

So was that Volkswagon a diesel?

No. It had the GE 12 megawatt wind turbine mounted to the roof. (Just don’t turn on the radio while driving.)

TG

I was thinking the same thing. VW lied but the person driving the car obviously can’t see past the hood..

Pop Piasa

Some folks think driving a car made in a different country makes them look more like global citizens. This peacenik surely compares The Donald to old Adolph but forgets the car he purchased is made by the same company that made war machines for Adolph to destroy freedom worldwide only decades before he/she was born.

Tom Halla

Moonbeam was in favor of fracking? Apparently cannot be wrong ALL the time.

He has to choose between nuclear and backing up all that wind and solar.

As kids we used to wage chemical war. The weapon of choice was the high-capacity, military-grade assault squirt gun.

(We didn’t have QLavs back then.)

Rich Davis

Reading this, I thought
My, Butte hurts

Susan Howard

If there was methane in the water those squirt guns would have been even more fun!

If your water came from a well, there’s a good chance it had methane in it, particularly if the aquifer was composed of glacial till.

Sheri

People on wells seem very complacent, not having their wells checked for what’s in them. Where I live, realtors say “good water”. The report says “Can be made drinkable”. Maybe it’s just because I’ve lived with a well since I was 17, but I am fully aware of the contaminates that get into wells. We don’t drink our well water and periodically chlorinate it. It reeks of sulpher because I live near an oilfield (or that’s what I’m told and it makes sense). Most of the time I think people imagine well water as a giant water bottle underground that is sealed and pure. Most of the time, they’re wrong. There are so many ways well water gets contaminated…..
(Susan: Probably good my well does not have methane—too much fun!)

Jon Jewett

Some half a century ago, I knew a couple who lived in Tomales CA (Marin county on California 1). Back then, the town was all on well water. On one side of California 1 highway, the well water was high in sulfur and smelled just awful. The other side smelled ok,but had hepatitis (as I recall-that was a long time ago). There was no fracking fracking back then.

Dodgy Geezer

That was dangerous! Dihydrogen-monoxide is one of the most efficient solvents in all of chemistry, and is responsible for countless deaths….

Aurora Negra

Dodgy Geezer
So use hydroxyl acid. That should be safe.

Karlos51

pff, hydrogen hydroxide is extremely caustic – see what it does to metals like sodium!., of course as Aurora said, hydroxyl acid is pretty nasty stuff too.

Bernie
MasterDiver

You think that’s bad? Try exposure to thermally vaporous Hydroxyl-hydride. That stuff will peel the skin off your bones!

texasjimbrock

We used natural rubber weapons. Sliced from inner tubes. If any of the readers are old enough to remember what those were.

TA

Slingshots would be my guess.

Pop Piasa

The best part was finding a patched one so you had a pocket to put the mudball or rock in. Man, who needed paint guns anyway? The marks we left lasted weeks.

Pop Piasa

We also made rifles from boards that we could stretch a band or bicycle tube on and fire it like a giant rubber band fight. Mom didn’t mind that as much.

drednicolson

Ever find a leftover box of roman candles from the 4th and have a shootout down at the train tracks?

Jim Whelan

For true water dispensing, “water weenies” were the way to go: 2-3 feet of surgical tubing with a ball point (gel nowadays) pen tip (remove the ink cartridge first) stuck in one end. Fill from a garden spigot. Hold finger over tip of pen and let go while squeezing the tube.

John B

Squirt guns? We just tried for the most dangerous fart.

kaliforniakook

DHMO is a chemical. As often noted here, it was almost banned in one city in So Cal. I think it was Mission Viejo.

Rob

It’s nothing but lies. Too bad these oil companies don’t grow a pair and shut the fuel off to counties like Butte county. The fastest way to put an end to this nonsense is grind them to a stand still.

kenji

Indeed! Give the “greens” EXACTLY what they want … a world “FREE” from fossil fuels. Since they are incapable of the analytical thought necessary to see the myriad benefits and yes … dependency … on fossil fuels, then perhaps they need to be shown a demonstration of a YEAR without fossil fuels … and all that is powered and fabricated thereof.

Tom Halla

They could not think it through, that it would be a disaster scenario, like S. M. Sterling’s “Dies the Fire” only in slow motion.

Tom Halla

S. M. Stirling, bad spelling

Cold in Wisconsin

Stop delivering gasoline too. Or al least any gasoline that might have been fracked. When their gasoline goes up to $9 per gallon or they have to go to the next county to get it, they might wake up. The farmers will really like that plan.

Michael C. Roberts

Just have them watch a few episodes of “Naked & Afraid” – and they will get a better understanding of what it would be like if their wishes of a fossil-fuel-free existence would actually come to pass..little do they realize that one of their favorite terms – “leave it in the ground” – may actually refer to how quickly one living a life free of the benefits of said fuels – actually ends up “in the ground’ (that is, six feet under).
MCR

noaaprogrammer

The fine print at the bottom of the bumper sticker reads:
(c) 2013 Northern Sun Merchandising Minneapolis, MN 55406 http://www.northernsun.com 800.258.8579 7432

tom s

Figures it would be from my town. Mpls is crazy left, but not as crazy left as most of CA.

Pop Piasa

It’s the same everywhere, there are those who have time on their hands to sit and absorb TV indoctrination and find it entertaining as well as educational, believing that the news media is the only source of credible knowledge. They are truly assimilated into the Borg matrix. Seems like the more urban a person’s self-concept is, the more they cling to the current socialist quasi science propaganda.

joelobryan

I have no doubt the person with that bumper sticker on their car also subscribes to the following beliefs:
– organic eggs, milk, produce have health benefits over non-organic versions.
– thinks GMO foods will give them cancer,
– thinks glyphosate is a human carcinogen,
– is convinced childhood vaccines cause autism,
– believes Rachel Carson saved the eagles from the horrors of DDT,
– thinks every picture of starving polar bear is evidence of mankind’s carbon sins,
– not allowing stores to use plastic bags at customer checkouts saves the planet somehow,
– thinks AlGore and Leo DiCaprio actually live carbon responsible lifestyles,
– thinks owning an electric car charged from the grid will reduce CO2 emissions,
– has never been to sub-Sahara Africa to see what real energy poverty brings.

Warren Dennis

You may have missed a couple, but I can’t think of any right now. That is the best summation of the True Believers yet

Pop Piasa

I saw one that said:
Are You On Welfare?
Thank A Democrat

I wish I could post a picture of the wreck it was stuck to…

kenji

… believes there is a swirling plastic patch (the size of Texas) out in the middle of the Pacific. Despite the fact that no one … not even Google satellites … have photographed it … and it apparently cannot be cleaned … at all … ever.

Karlos51

There’s a bad spirit in my closet, fairies at the end of the path. I know witches control the weather and mesmerism saved my mother from disease. I see auras and faith healing cured my psoriasis. The human race needs to be cleaned of flawed persons and there’s too many of us. vaccinations cause autism and organic food is best. Pesticides harm us and homeopathy is the cure. There must always be a Ruler to guide us.
Who am I ?
(go nuts folks 😉

HotScot

kenji
Of course now they realise they can’t find it, they’re saying the plastic has dissolved into granules, that’s why we can’t see it. And the fish eat the granules of course.

kenji

Yes, HotScot … that was a very clever fallback for the green guardians. Their next fallback will be that the “granules” are “microscopic” in size … which is why you cannot even SEE the “granules” suspended in the water samples taken out there in the “swirling Pacific Plastic Patch, the size of ewwww – Texas”
Don’t eat pelagic ocean fish! You’ll dieeeeeeee from the ingested microscopic plastic! Ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, the entire nation of Japan has stopped eating sushi …

Pop Piasa

kenji, the Japanese still eat sushi, they just check it in the dark first, to see if it glows.
I know, tasteless sarcasm. It just slid out, so to speak.

DonM

Re the plastic island in the pacific:
Wasn’t there a short lived effort to create a pool of money to eliminate the giant “problem”?

Jim Whelan

Stores here in PR of California CAN provide plastic bags at customer checkout, They just have to charge 10 cents for them and the bags have to be much thicker than the free ones so they can be reused. Of course, most people just trash them so there is likely MORE plastic “pollution” as a result.

Leo Smith

The ratio of plastic packaging on supermarket goods to the plastic supermarket bag is around 10:1 in a typical shop.
Its just virtue signalling

Jtom

– is horrified at the thought of irradiated food
– considers sprouts to be one of the safest, healthiest foods to eat
– doesn’t know where plastic or polyester comes from

s-t

“is horrified at the thought of irradiated food”
It appears to have caused cat-astrophy. Once.
Has it been seriously investigated? Could it be that the cat food was contaminated and not even properly irradiated?

Juan Carlos Frederico de Alvarez

Glyphosate is a carcinogen. High vaccine loads do cause autism. Global warming is a scam.

MarkW

1 out of 3, not to good.

s-t

What is “autism”?
What is “load”?

Rich Davis

S-t
You’re being a bit cryptic. Is your point that autism is a broad description applied to a set of symptoms that may or may not have a common root cause? It seems to me that’s the case. That is, we won’t find a single mechanism causing children to develop differently from those clustered two or three standard deviations around a norm.
I haven’t really studied this question enough that I feel arrogant enough to spout off as I would on many topics. 🙂
Also, I have a lot of empathy for parents who are devastated in many cases by seeing a child impacted in this way. They often blame themselves for being bad parents, having bad genes, or agreeing to vaccines that they have been told are harmful.
Here are some questions I would ask of those who make the claim that vaccines have caused an epidemic of autism.
What is the “defect” in the autistc brain and how does the vaccine cause it? I know that one claim is that thimerosal preservative which is a mercury compound plays a role, but we need more of a mechanism than just alluding to the Mad Hatter. If your theory is that every compound containing mercury is inherently dangerous, you’ll need to back that up. Do you also fear protein or the air, because it contains the same nitrogen found in cyanide?
Has there really been an “epidemic” of autism? I will accept as fact that there are many more reported cases of autism per capita than in the past. How do you rule out the possibility that reduced stigmatization led to increased diagnosis and an increase in parents seeking a diagnosis? Also consider whether schools are more or less likely than in the past to encourage parents to seek diagnosis. Think about why there is such a phrase as “coming out of the closet”. Something which is there all along is no longer being hidden out of fear of stigma.
When you look for something you tend to find it more often than when you run across it by chance. Has increased research into autism also contributed to the number of reported cases? And I hate to slip into an alternative conspiracy theory, but is there no risk that grant-seeking researchers have an incentive to portray a case that a crisis needs attention?

s-t

Why would it be a “toxin” in the vaccine? Why wouldn’t the vaccine itself would be the cause of many problems? Why would people want to expose their immune system in such a way?
Don’t we see an epidemic of “shaken baby syndrome”? Is there any evidence that shaking can even produce that syndrome? Is there any reason to not consider vaccines as the cause?
Many people claim that vaccinated babies get more diagnostics of autism. (I have not tried to determine whether it’s a valid claim because the case against almost all vaccines is so strong without it that I don’t see the point.)
One study showing the opposite was authored by many people including one on the run because he is a crook, which is OK in the medical field: nobody in the field thinks that being a crook and on the run is discrediting. The field itself (biomedicine) is a scam.

s-t

“Has increased research into autism also contributed to the number of reported cases?”
Is there a medical diagnostic that doesn’t get more likely to be done on an individual when more cases are reported?

lbeyeler

I like your list, but from personal experience I have to say that organic, ‘green’ grown chicken *tastes* better. Of course, it costs like three times as much as the regular stuff.

s-t

“– is convinced childhood vaccines cause autism,”
When in doubt, abstain.
First do no harm.
There is no reason to inject these drugs in the first place. That there is a plausible link with various brain issues is a “bonus”.

Tom Halla

Your variation on the precautionary principle is as silly as the original. All it comes down to is that no one should do anything anyone has made up a scary story about. Not getting lockjaw, whooping cough, measles, German measles, chickenpox and the like is a definite benefit, while any connection to autism is mostly disproven.

s-t

Childhood diseases often provide lifelong immunity. Vaccines provide temporary immunity, for a disease that gets more serious if you catch it later, that’s an extremely bad idea.
Connection with autism is “disproven” but one of the authors of an important study disproving it is on the run. He was found to be a crook. But this is OK for the pro vax crowd, where doubting a study because one author is a crook is “guilt by association” (says the resident vaxxer at Forbes).
Anyway, let the parents decide. Not a freedom the so-called “conservatives” vehemently fight for (many GOPers pushed for more insane vaccine mandates).

Karl Baumgarten

We never pass gas in Butte County.

Gunga Din

A lot of pent up…uh…

Gunga Din

FRACKING IS CHEMICAL WARFARE, POISONING THE WATER, THE EARTH, AND YOU.

Why single out fracking?
In California doesn’t everything (but illegal aliens) do that?

Rick C PE

Yes, the bumper sticker seems to be missing the mandatory warning that it contains materials know to the state of California to cause cancer. It is no doubt illegal and, as I understand it, any California citizen could start a class action suit against the manufacturer.

Pop Piasa

After the California warning there should be this addendum-
Warning: the State of California has been found to contain ideologies toxic to the wellbeing of the American Public. Repeated or prolonged exposure will increase the chances of social collapse, followed by global despotism.

John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia

Eric Streitberg, CEO of Buru Energy having a frac-soda.

Sheri

Because fracking chemicals are often found in food. Chemicals are not “evil” by nature of them being chemicals……

Crispin in Waterloo

H2O is a chemical. It is a byproduct of mixing aluminum dihydrogen phosphate with any high alumina ground mineral. One molecule of ADP (mw 318) produces 3 molecules of H2O (mw 18) and a very nice phosphate-bonded high temperature refractory ceramic. No need for firing. The only complaint might be that H2O is a GHG. That worries some people.

peter

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/opinion-stop-wind-farms-from-polluting-wells
There is next to zero proof that Fracking contaminates groundwater, the same cannot be said for wind turbines.

It’s less, much less, than “next to zero.”

Gunga Din

Not even nuclear fracking.
Excerpt from here: https://gizmodo.com/the-u-s-government-once-fracked-oil-wells-using-nuclea-1511758335

The same appears to be true at both Colorado sites, as well. They are routinely tested by both the DOE and the EPA to ensure radioactive material isn’t leeching into ground water supplies and all tests so far have concluded that the nuclear materials are staying in place.
However, given the environmental issues cropping up with current hydraulic fracking—such as flammable tap water—nuclear fracking might be poised to make a comeback.
Their paranoia regarding hydraulic fracking might bring back nuclear fracking.
Wouldn’t make the enviros heads explode!

Gunga Din

MODS, I made a reply here about half and hour ago that never showed up.
Maybe I messed up on my end but could you check the bit bin? Thanks

Gunga Din

Guess the problem was on my end.
(Thanks for what you do.)

Lock the Gate is an Australian mob who are against fraccing, and have successfully had CBM banned in Northern New South Wales; they did not like it when congratulated on becoming gas field free because, on asking why a fraccer such as myself would approve, they were told it means we will have to burn more coal (which of course they are against as well), so well done Lock the Gate for crippling the low pollution alternative! However, out of this little exchange was born the epithet of ‘Frackwits’ for such closed minds, a term of ‘endearment’ which is growing in popularity in this part of Australia.

Non Nomen

I consider fracking neither unsafe nor safe. It is just another method in the gas and oil industry, where sh*t happens occasionally. Verbal hyperventilation of greenies doesn’t change a thing.

Sheri

Well said.

kenji

The greenie weenies … going all the way back to Jimmy Carter BELIEVED they had the KILL SHOT on fossil fuels … “Peak Oil”. Carter (repeating others) proclaimed that the world would run out of oil by 1990. That oil was a finite resource. Technology, innovation, and new theories about the origin of oil … https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
And the greenies have to put a STOP to expanded and enhanced oil exploration if their “peak oil” argument is to be saved.
The greenies always point to “renewable” energy as some sort of embrace of advanced technology … when it is nothing of the sort. Same old solar panel technology … boron and silicon. And EV’s are nothing new … rejected by the marketplace more than 100 years ago from lack of range and reliability. The REAL advancement in technology is Fracking, horizontal boring, and seismic exploration of geologic formations. So the greenies desperately seek to KILL off the only REAL technological advancements … in a desperate effort to salvage their “peak oil” predictions.

“Peak oil” is a real thing. Just like any other finite resource, the world will reach peak oil about when we’ve extracted roughly half of the crude oil we will ever consume.
Peak oil predictions have always been wrong because the estimates of totally recoverable oil have been way too low.
The volume of recoverable crude oil in the Earth’s crust may be finite, but it is a fracking YUGE volume.

gwan

I knew a helicopter pilot who worked in Burma now Myanmar, shifting oil exploration crews around for a major oil company .The official story was that they found no recoverable oil but he told me that because of the politics in that country at that time they were not prepared to invest money to have their investments nationalized.They were content to wait for a long time until they could see a secure profit .This was 40 years ago .

And?

texasjimbrock

And 95% of the experts agreed! BTW, when I graduated in 1952 with a BS in ChE I was advised to steer clear of the petroleum industry as it had only a fifty year supply of proven reserves. (I thought: Who in his right mind would spend money to prove up reserves to be used more than fifty years hence? ) Present valued dollars from that far ahead would be pennies today (then).

Sheri

Wind and solar are infinite (though unreliable) fuel sources. The methods to trap and convert them are HIGHLY limited. As much or more so than oil and gas.

Leo Smith

Wind and solar are infinite (though unreliable) fuel sources. The methods to trap and convert them are HIGHLY limited. As much or more so than oil and gas.

There speaks the ultimate Greentard Who Can’t Do Sums.
Sunlight is limited by the cross sectional area of the earth and the solar intensity. It is anything but unlimited, and wind is even less, because it too depends on sunlight.
It has been shown that a poipulation about ten times what we have today living a western lifestyle would need more energy than the total sunlight that falls on earth.
Peak solar anyone?

Sheri

Thank yo so much there LEO.

Sheri

Excuse me while I go back to my knitting and kitchen chores. After all, I can’t do math. Yet, you can’t read, so maybe you need to be out running down a rabbit for my kitchen.

John Hardy

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/10/24/yes-the-u-s-leads-all-countries-in-reducing-carbon-emissions/#6ee654383535
“Finally, one item left unsaid was the reason U.S. emissions have declined. It is no coincidence that U.S. emissions started to decline in 2005. That was the year U.S. shale gas production began a decade-long growth spurt.
Renewables also contributed, but the vast majority of the emissions decline in the U.S. can be attributed directly to natural gas substituting for coal in the power sector.”
The greens can’t have it both ways. If they believe CO2 matters a fig (I don’t) they should be chanting “Frac, baby frac”

And… Nukes here, nukes now!

Tom in Florida

Yes but because I need my uranium mine stocks to go back up, I have suffered enough losses.

Crispin in Waterloo

Tom
What is the half-life of a uranium stock? The answer is to be found in a mystery story in John Buchan’s, “The (Two Hundred and) Thirty Nine Steps”. That may be one step too far.

Gunga Din

https://gizmodo.com/the-u-s-government-once-fracked-oil-wells-using-nuclea-1511758335
An excerpt.

The same appears to be true at both Colorado sites, as well. They are routinely tested by both the DOE and the EPA to ensure radioactive material isn’t leeching into ground water supplies and all tests so far have concluded that the nuclear materials are staying in place.
However, given the environmental issues cropping up with current hydraulic fracking—such as flammable tap water—nuclear fracking might be poised to make a comeback.

Wouldn’t it make the green heads explode if their feelings of panic about hydraulic fracking led to nuclear fracking?

“Flamable tap water” has nothing to do with frac’ing.

The Gizmodo article is almost as fracktarded as the bumper sticker Anthony photographed.

Gunga Din

David,
I know there’s nothing wrong with hydraulic frac’ing. The “flammable tap water” is hype. The enviros hate fossil fuel and they hate nuclear.
Guess i should have put a “/sarc” tag after “Wouldn’t it make the green heads explode if their feelings of panic about hydraulic fracking led to nuclear fracking?”.
Sorry.

No harm, no foul…😎

Jtom

There are videos of flaming water that were made in the 1940s. Seems mother earth is sloppy at times, and allows ng to mingle with water in some places. Even if fracking caused the same thing, which it doesn’t, it would still be “natural”.

DonM

There is a small water system in central Oregon with a picture on the wall of the well house … the newly drilled (deep) well flaming off. No fracturing necessary.
They then decided that the deep water was too offensive so they put in a shallow well. They would rather drink the “unprotected” drainfield influenced (nitrates) water than put up with the taste associated with the gas environment.

prjindigo

I actually agree with the sentiments of the bumper sticker. There has been no competent and safe use of fracking *ever* by the oil companies. That’s the problem, incompetence can change even the safest things into firestorms of destroyed lives and properties.
Take agent orange for example. Composed of several damned near perfectly safe chemicals when produced correctly by a skilled manufacturer with properly operating equipment is was then produced at 5x its proper production rate by unskilled workers with wildly defective equipment using impure ingredients and we know how THAT turned out.

Wrong on every level imaginable.

prjindigo

Produce documentation then?
There’s a LOT of documentation of companies pushing whatever they feel like into the ground, including dioxins.

You’re the one lying abour the oil industry. The burden of proof is on you.
Frac fluid doesn’t contain dioxins.
https://geology.com/energy/hydraulic-fracturing-fluids/
Nor are frac fluids injected anywhere close to groundwater aquifers.

Leo Smith

Wot he said

Gunga Din

prjindigo May 12, 2018 at 8:03 am
Produce documentation then?
There’s a LOT of documentation of companies pushing whatever they feel like into the ground, including dioxins.

Aside from headlines and the conclusions of enviros “secret science”, where’s YOUR documentation.

Phil Rae

2.5 million frac jobs to date (since 1947) and still counting! This 70 year old technology (hydraulic fracturing) is one of the most important technologies ever developed to provide affordable fuels (and the energy they provide) for billions of people on this planet. What’s not to like?
Frac’ing is safe and a highly effective way to improve hydrocarbon recovery from all manner of subsurface reservoirs! You need to do your homework, prjindigo!

Frac’ing A Bubba!

Tom in Florida

True Believers don’t need to do any homework, they just need to believe.

Sara

If they really are True Believers, they should be required to walk to their next protests, and walk home from there. And no hitchhiking, either. Just move those doggies they’re standing on. And clean up after themselves at the end of the protest – mandatory.
I will believe they are True Believers when I see that.

prjindigo

If you were [snip -mod] Just because failures weren’t written down in the past doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. Fracking is nowhere near as safe as passive pressure lifting in old fields, which is literally the safest option: simply waiting for the oil to be pushed out by ground pressure. So you’re posting a fallacy at me to begin with.
Secondly, as I said: failures unreported still happened. There are many places where people stopped using ground water because it became nasty that never connected the groundwater issue to the fracking process because the landowners didn’t know that people were injecting toxic soaps into the rock to break it up.
It is destructive and pushes toxins out of their original location in the ground, damages the structure of the Earth almost as much as mining and introduces synthetic chemicals with no half-life into the rock beneath us to react willy nilly over the next few million years.
Remember, at one point mining was completely safe for the environment, ground water and world because they didn’t have the scientific understanding to realize that rock collapses causing propagation of holes upwards and now there are places in the midwest US where sink-holes are appearing in farmers fields AND IN TOWNS because of *that* perfectly safe activity that had no impact on groundwater quality either.
Guess what: https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2004/5043/
Injecting toxic materials into the ground puts toxic materials in the ground, they do not come back out and no matter how much fracking companies claim what they do is safe it is not. It is just about the single most environmentally dangerous thing that can be done. There is no safety in those locations, they spill toxins and oil and fuel everywhere all the time. Companies pay them to “bury” other small volumes of toxic materials into the fracking fluid, some companies intentionally “accidentally” let drums of material not actually used in the fracking corrode and leak into the ground at the sites because they know it will be hard to detect over the pollution caused by the process.
As I said in my above post: If the work were done safely and correctly there’d be no problem. But “safe” and “correct” contradict “profitably” so they push the pressures higher than specified, shove anything they can get into the system and then turn off safety devices designed to stop over-fill to keep the equipment from resetting in the middle of the night. Fracking has *always* been a “fuck the environment” process.
I have no problem with fracking itself, just with the 99 jack-offs doing the work. The same kind of under-educated jack-off that tried to manufacture 6x as much 2,4,5-T as the process was designed for and resulted in a near million-fold increase in the unwanted 2,3,7,8-TCDD dioxin concentration over lab production design.

texasjimbrock

And, Sara: No bicycles allowed. Tires are made from petroleum products, ya know.

Sara

Agree completely, texasjim. And while we’re at it, how about a list of things that they personally recycle for their own use?
For example, the plastic carafes that my orange juice comes in are a hard, non-reactive plastic with a screw-on lid, which I can find many uses for. I think they’re almost impervious to bullets.
Here’s a list:
– Iced tea, several batches at once
– fresh-made lemonade
– dried lentils
– rice
– liquid leftovers like gravy or soup
– dry beans
– chopped nuts
– short pasta
– spare change
– spare water in case the power shuts off and the pump won’t run; happened once in the summer in 2011.
Those are just a few. Storing short pasta in those jars is eminently practical and adds a nice look to the countertop and pantry shelves. Glass jars are also good, and Mason jar lids do fit them.
So what do these preciousssss ecohippies do?????

Clyde Spencer

prjindigo,
You said, “Just because failures weren’t written down in the past doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.” True; however, similarly, just because you say that they did happen doesn’t mean they did. If you are making claims that are not common knowledge (and not just urban legends), then you have a responsibility to substantiate your claims. Where would science be if scientists were to make claims that seemed incredible, and defended them by saying just because the experiment wasn’t written down doesn’t mean the experiment is invalid. Get a grip!

MarkW

I love it when trolls declare that the only reason why they have no proof is that the conspiracy is so big.
These failures were never written down, but you know for a fact they happened.
A true believer believes any lie that fits it’s world view.
As to the rest of your nonsense, sheesh, is their any flim flamery that you aren’t conversant in?
Pushing toxins? What toxins.
Where are these mythical toxic chemicals that frackers are allegedly using?
There has never been a time when mining didn’t cause environmental problems. Just look at all the trouble they have in Colorado with old mines leaking.

Terry Gednalske

prjindigo, I think you have watched the movie “Erin Brockovich” too many times. I like Julia Roberts too, but as Clyde Spencer already told you, get a grip!

Andy Ogilvie

If the driver of that car is so opposed to hydrocarbons he had best remove the engine and hook a horse to the front. Problem solved!

MarkW

The problem is that horses emit hydrocarbons.

Gunga Din

But someone will have to sweep it up. Green Jobs!

DonM

… and for every dollar invested in green jobs there is a somewhere in the vicinity of a $3 return to the economy!
Inefficiency is a boon to the economy.

MarkW

If there has never been a safe use of fracking, it should be trivial for you to provide us with dozens of such examples.
The fact that you demand that others prove you wrong rather than support your own position is just more evidence that not even you believe the nonsense you are preaching.

JamesD

Failures/contamination are extremely rare. When they do occur, it is ALWAYS due to a bad cement job / casing failure, i.e. the Macondo blow out. Fracking typically occurs about 10 Empire State Buildings down below the rock in a hole about 5 inches across. Fracking is completely safe. The “chemicals” are also similar to hair conditioner that you use in your shower. Learn some facts, you have no experience and no knowledge. Fake News.

Michael 2

prjindigo writes: “incompetence can change even the safest things into firestorms of destroyed lives and properties.”
No. Water balloons, very safe, cannot be turned into firestorms of destroyed lives and properties.
Your choices are basically (1) live in darkness and fear or (2) utilize stored energy for a better life, accepting that risks accompany walking, driving, bicycling, going outdoors for any reason, staying indoors for any reason.
I cannot make your choices; I would rather you not try to make mine.

Fracktard is an insult to people who are actually developmentally disabled, because fracktards don’t have an excuse for being so fracking retarded.

And to top it all off, the environuts consider their ilk to possess intelligence far above that of the climate deniers. What say we count the ways in which the environuts themselves deny reality.

I can’t count that high.

drednicolson

Would that be countably or uncountably infinite? (Mathematicians do differentiate the two, believe it or not.)

BallBounces

I think bumper stickers — the materials, glue, inks, the energy to produce, are destroying the planet. “Sticker a Bumper – Kill the Planet”.

Sara

The trash they leave behind is what is destroying the planet.

kenji

I would think PETA would protest the source of that glue … DEAD HORSES! Corporations are PROFITING by slaughtering horses for glue … even MORE glue than is needed !

Leo Smith
Sara

How can anything so basic as the need for fuel be so ridiculously contentious? I’ve tried to get a grasp of the mindset that these people have. I don’t think they even consider their own hypocrisy while they’re howling like banshees about :”saving the planet”. They don’t seem to understand that The Planet will still be here, rolling around the Sun, long after they’re gone.
And if they really, really cared about the planet, they’d stop driving cars, period, wouldn’t they? They’d do what people used to do before cars were invented: W-AL-K.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

I often ponder this myself. If one of the goals of civilization is to shield people from the ugly realities of subsistence living, it follows that the more successful a civilization is the greater the number of people who can go through their whole lives without understanding how they came to enjoy all these benefits, or even what the ugly realities are from which they have been so effectively protected.
If that is so, it is clear our civilization has been fantastically successful.
The industrial age is what lifted the average person to a material standard of living unimaginable back in the 18th century when all energy was “renewable”, and getting mechanical energy from combustion made the industrial age possible.
If you take away combustion energy you have two choices: massive new nuclear construction, or poverty and a ticket back to an 18th century standard of living with a world population of something less than 1 billion. Some people claim that is a desirable goal. I claim such people simply haven’t thought seriously about the journey to get there.

Clyde Spencer

Most liberals that I have met are logic impaired and unacquainted with with the foundations of technology, being only acquainted with the end products such as cars and smart phones. They have a world view that is supported by mysteries and unsupported assumptions that conveniently underlie their unrealistic beliefs. It is unfortunate that they weren’t sent off in the “B Ark.” They could have entertained themselves by watching Hollywood re-runs and playing Trivial Pursuits while waiting for the “B Ark” to crash land.

John Bell

I love how they took and oil-powered bus to that white house.

Sara

Isn’t the movie titled ‘A Convenient Falsehood’?

Steve Oregon

Progressive stupidity is limitless.
That is all. Good day.

Tom

The use of retarded portmanteaus is just a bad idea. I wish people would not do this. Poor reasoning and emotional logical are entirely different from mental defect (retardation). Stop it!

Anyone who thinks that frac’ing is even remotely analogous to chemical warfare has a very serious mental defect.

Gunga Din

“Warfare” generally requires an enemy. Just who or what is the enviros enemy?

Capitalism.

Clyde Spencer

Tom,
I would consider the phrase “emotional logical” to be an oxymoron.

Resourceguy

Scary sand and H2O. I was more offended by the state tag than the bumper sticker.

JBom

“accomplishing nothing but make a bunch of fools feel good about themselves” sums up Bureaucracy.
Hau hau

drednicolson

That and protecting their phoney baloney jobs.

Steve Fraser

ANd, the sticker will ruin the paint on the car.

LamontT

I suspect that unlike our host here they don’t have solar power for their house nor do they drive as economically efficient car as he does.

David J Wendt

You probably missed this post from not long ago…
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/05/06/study-climate-skeptics-engage-in-more-eco-friendly-behavior-than-climate-alarmists/
Study: Climate skeptics engage in more eco-friendly behavior than climate alarmists

My brilliant wife’s comment about the fracktarded bumper sticker:
“Panzies and snowflakes offended by something they don’t even understand.”

Gunga Din

😎
The only problem with “transparent science” is that the minions won’t bother to look.

drednicolson

Ignorance leads to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to the dark (green) side.

And fodder for ridicule… 😎

Ian_UK

Is it just me, or isn’t it a bit ironic that the car is a VW?

s-t

I understand why people might see risk in well drilling (even a smaller geothermal well done in the bad place can cause a catastrophe), in high pressure fluid injection (fear of leaks), manipulation of large amount of contaminated water…
These are understandable concerns (concerns, not terrors).
But then, why do these people feel safe around fast moving wind turbine, with the electrical components so high that fire fighters wouldn’t be able to fight a fire if they could magically be on site on time to fight it, ready to start a forest fire? And they feel these are “enviro-friendly”? And “local energy production” even when there is no wind, because “there is always wind somewhere on Earth”?

Jon Jewett

Years ago we lived in Orange County CA. My wife saw a bumper sticker : “Save California. Spay or neuter a liberal!”. Well, that’s what she told me, anyway. It may be true. It’s also a good idea.

Funny that Al Gore and green activists support geothermal energy not knowing the geothermal industry also do fracking – pumping high pressure fluid in wells to increase permeability of rock formations. But then Gore doesn’t know the Earth’s core is cooler than the sun

Terry Gednalske

The anti-industry/anti any kind of economic development crowd, here in Hawaii is now freaking out over the approach of lava flows toward the Puna Geothermal Ventures (PGV) plant. The initial concern was over 60,000 gallons of pentane, which has now been moved to a safer location, but people are still hyperventilating over wells not being “shut down” or wells being “broken”. The volcanic eruption itself is releasing molten lava, SO2, and maybe some H2S. As far as I know, the only other thing that could be released from the geothermal wells is salt water and steam, maybe at high pressure. You wouldn’t want to be near by when a lava-spewing fissure opens up around a well, but I don’t see how the level of disaster would be any greater than the eruption itself.
That doesn’t stop people from spouting off about “poison”, “toxins”, “greed”, “corruption”, and so on with regard to PGV. These are the same people who stopped the Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT), the inter island ferry, and anything else that would bring development and jobs to the local economy. Some of this attitude is due to local superstitions, but a lot of it is green obstructionism.

Curious George

In modern universities mature idiots teach maturing idiots.

Coach Springer

Odd that it isn’t the windmill woman with the cash in the pocket. She’s the one demanding subsidies and legislated advantages. Money in for nothin’. And your environmental damage for free.