Where Rivers Run North

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach [See updates at the end]

In the continental US, most of the rivers run east, west, or south. But in the Yukon and in Alaska, a number of them run north. The Yukon is a most curious river. The source of the Yukon in Lake Bennett in the Yukon Territory is only about forty miles (65 km) from the ocean … but instead of taking the direct route, it flows a total of almost 2000 miles (3200 km) before it finally gets to the ocean near Nome, Alaska.

Along the way, past Fairbanks in Alaska, the Yukon is joined by one of its many tributaries, the Tanana River. Like the Yukon, the Tanana also flows mostly north.

yukon and tanana.png

You can see the Tanana River noted in blue just to the left of Fairbanks.

And why is it significant that the Yukon and Tanana rivers run north? Well, it leads to a curious condition in the springtime. Over the winter, of course, the rivers tend to freeze up solid. In the spring, the south end of both rivers tend to thaw first … and that makes the breaking up of the ice a sudden event, with the mass of water surging downriver and clearing out the ice as it goes.

This is all of interest to climateers because the nights in the far north are so long. Why is the length of the nights relevant? Well, people get bored when it’s dark most of the time, and back in the day there was no TV up north … and as a result, more than a century ago people took to betting on the exact date and time that the rivers would experience “ice-out”, as it is called. Hey, you gotta do something to keep the megrims away …

So simply because humans like to bet, we have a hundred years or so of records of the exact dates of ice out for both the Yukon and the Tanana Rivers. The betting is a pool, with everyone putting in money, and the winner(s) take all. The betting on the Tanana River ice-out is called the Nenana Ice Classic, after the town where the betting takes place. This year the pool on the Nenana Ice Classic is just under a quarter of a megabuck … serious money.

How close to ice-out is the Tanana River? The precise ice-out date and time is determined by putting a tripod out on the rivers and connecting the top of the tripod by a cable to a clock in a tower on shore. Here’s a photo of the tripod and the tower I took when I visited the Tanana River a few years ago … obviously in the summer.

nenana ice classic

The Yukon river tripod is erected on the ice in the river near to Dawson City, Yukon Territory, and the Tanana River tripod is erected on the ice near to Nenana, Alaska.

And all of this is of interest right now because today the Tanana River is just about, nearly, almost, really close to, right on the edge of, ice-out.

As of this morning, here’s the situation on the Tanana River:

nenana tipping point.png

As you can see, the Nenana Ice Classic tripod out on the river ice has tilted precariously … but it hasn’t moved enough yet to stop the clock. Amazingly, I do believe that this is likely the very first photographic evidence of one of those famous “climate tipping points” that we all get warned about … but I digress.

So the ice in Nenana will likely go out today (May 1st) or tomorrow. And on the Yukon? Predictions are that the Yukon ice-out will occur on May 4 this year.

And what does the record of the ice-out dates for the two rivers show? Here you go.

yukon tanana ice out dates to 2017.png

This is a most fascinating record because it is totally unaffected by all of the things that bedevil temperature measurements—changes in station locations, changes in instrumentation, changes in time of observation, urban heat islands, trees growing around the thermometers, parking lots, increases in airport traffic near the station, none of these variables affect the ice-out dates in any meaningful way. It is a pure record of cumulative weather conditions each spring.

You can see the peak of the temperatures about 1940, and the drop in temperature to about 1965. From there, temperatures rise until the 1990s, followed by the infamous plateau in warming up to the present. In fact, it looks a lot like the early GISS global average temperature records, before the drop after the 1940s got mostly erased from the record.

Now, there has been a lot of recent discussion here on WUWT about putative solar effects on the climate. So I thought I’d make a comparison of the temperature as represented by the ice-out dates, and the solar activity as represented by the sunspots.

ice out dates and sunspots.png

I’m sure you can see the problem. The solar activity has generally been decreasing since the peak in about 1958 … but the Arctic has been generally warming since about 1965 up to 1995 or so, and it’s been basically flat since then. Decreasing sunspot activity … increasing temperatures … not a good look for any purported solar influence on climate.

This makes it very hard to argue that sunspot-related variations in solar activity have much effect on arctic temperatures. And this is true even if you believe that there is a decade or so of lag between solar activity and temperature. A lag of a decade is equivalent to moving the black line to the right an amount equal to one of the dotted lines … and that doesn’t improve the fit in any way.

This is another of the many datasets that I’ve looked at that have not shown any sunspot-related signal. Do all of my negative findings show that the sunspot variations don’t affect surface climate datasets? Nope. You can’t prove a negative. It’s just one more in the long list of datasets that do not show any such sunspot-related signal.

Regards to all, spring is here, the ice is melting … well, most places it’s melting …

[UPDATE] My thanks to Dave Burton in the comments, who noted that you can click here for the latest webcam picture …

[UPDATE 2] Here’s how the alarmist Gavin Schmidt, serial failed doomcaster, spins the Nenana data on Twitter …

Gavin Schmidt @ClimateOfGavin · 9h This year will be v. close to trend.gavin on nenana
Unending straight-line warming … who knew? (H/T to Willie Soon)

w.

PS—When you comment on someone’s words, please quote the exact words you are referring to. Misunderstandings are the bane of the intarwebs, and if you quote the exact words we can all understand just what it is that you are discussing.

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David Sims
May 2, 2018 4:36 am

I don’t really see the value in plotting just the melt time. A more insightful approach might be to plot thickness over the season for each yearcomment image
If anyone wants the data to do something better with it let me know

Farmer Ch E retired
May 2, 2018 4:41 am

Wasn’t AK warmer during the LIA and much of AK devoid of ice fields during the last ice age?

Frederik Michiels
May 2, 2018 4:52 am

“I’m sure you can see the problem. The solar activity has generally been decreasing since the peak in about 1958 … but the Arctic has been generally warming since about 1965 up to 1995 or so, and it’s been basically flat since then. Decreasing sunspot activity … increasing temperatures … not a good look for any purported solar influence on climate.”
Willis the latest papers about lower solar activity is that the temperature is not going down, but that the jet stream is more subjective to create blocking patterns. these blockings can be warm or cold. but the weather should rather become more volatile. To have a general rise or fall of the average temperature depends the totally on random factors as of where, when and at which side of those blockings a region is. For example if more “omega blocks occur over europe and we have the “west leg” then we will see gentle rainy winters, but if we get the east side it is blasting cold. same in the summer but then with the heat. so if we are “lucky” we even will see a rise in temperature if it is averaged.
this means that in europe, we can see or mild winters or very cold winters, same with the summers or wet cool summers or heatwaves. the perfect example of this was our holiday weather: In belgium we were just 0.2 degrees shy of the april record of 31.4 degrees C, while in southern france where we were they saw a near cold record with only 1.5°C with melting snow and gallons of rain. These are situations that will become normal with low solar activity. as that’s what these blockings do create.
but likewise this also means that if you average this out over whole Europe, or even the region, you still can see warming or cooling… so in the whole the influence of the solar acivity won’t be visible… The best example was this last winter in Belgium: it was normal as average, but december and the first half of january was very mild, but February was pretty brutal with very late deep freezes to minus 16°C. this cold did go through the whole month of March with then a sudden peak of heat making March warmer then normal. April was very similar: cold start but the week with that heat made it the second hottest April since records began, and now the temperature plunged again 7-10 degrees below normal. All it took was just the same pattern as in april 2007: A blocking high at the right spot with winds from the southeast. A year ago we were on the “cold” side of the blocking and then fires had to be lit to protect the fruit blossoms from frost damage.
in short i would not expect a sudden drop of temperature, but rather more volatile weather patterns. What global temperature will do will depend on how these events will link to each other
Here’s the link to that paper and honestly that also may explain why the LIA did occur on different time episodes depending on the regions
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/04/30/new-paper-finds-solar-activity-related-to-the-polar-vortex-jet-stream-variability-published-in-journal-of-geophysical-research-atmospheres/

Don B
May 2, 2018 5:15 am

Tanana River (Nenana ice classic) breakup was at 1:18 pm AST , May 1, 2018.
Tenana ice broke up earlier in
1940, 1998, 1993, 2016, 2012, 1990, 2004, 2015, 2014, 1926, 1995,1988, 2007, 1943, 1969, 2005, 1939, 1953, 1958, 1980, 1983, 1994, 1999, 2003, 2010, 1917, 1934, 1936, 1942, 1951, 1978,1979, 1981, 1997, 1932, 1991, 2000, and 2017.
http://www.nenanaakiceclassic.com/2018%20Brochure.pdf

eyesonu
May 2, 2018 5:34 am

Just a note of curiosity, about 30 – 40 years ago I read about a frozen jamb in a river in Alaska of Canada caused by caribou. Seems that hundreds drown trying to cross a swollen river and created a river blockage of frozen carcasses that had to be broken up with explosives to prevent flooding. So we need to get to the meat of the issue on frozen river blockages. Bears further investigation into causes and remedies?

eyesonu
Reply to  eyesonu
May 2, 2018 11:27 am

For what it’s worth on the caribou, this may be related to what I remember. 22,000 dead at one time? https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/04/world/thousands-of-caribous-die-in-quebec-rivers.html

May 2, 2018 5:58 am

Willis writes

This is all of interest to climateers because the nights in the far north are so long.

Are you looking for solar effects in a region and at a time where the sun is nearly non existent?

Roy
May 2, 2018 6:09 am

Are there similar “ice out” records for the great Siberian Rivers and if so do they display the same pattern as the Alaskan rivers?

Reply to  Roy
May 2, 2018 7:29 am

The pattern in the big Siberian rivers is the same as that of Torne Älv on the Finnsih/Swedish border, i.e. about 10 more icefree days per century since 1800. Proves something about the ekding of the LIA but not much about sunspots? I am posting on an iPad and my computer literacy is not good enough to insert link but try googling elib.sfu-kras.ru or just Yenisei ice cover or something similar.
Claes Ehrnrooth

Reply to  claesehrnrooth
May 2, 2018 7:58 am

Oops! Not only computer illiterate, but too thick fingers – should be ending of the LIA.
Claes

Reply to  claesehrnrooth
May 2, 2018 9:19 am

Ekding? =

MarkW
May 2, 2018 7:13 am

Given the development in the region, it’s not that surprising that the rivers have gotten warmer. It also has nothing to do with climate or sunspots.

Reply to  MarkW
May 2, 2018 8:33 am

This is a good point. Is this true?

Steven Fraser
May 2, 2018 8:20 am

I checked the cam website again this morning. The tipped-over ‘Tripod’ has moved with the ice downriver about 0 yards, as of 7:10 am local time. Large areas devoid of Ice, now.
http://www.nenanaakiceclassic.com/index.htm

Steven Fraser
May 2, 2018 8:30 am

I did my own analysis of the last 30 years, as follows:
1) Converted the date and time of the equinox to minutes after 00:00 January 1 of the year, local time Yes, its not always on the same day or time.
1) Converted the time of ‘ice out’ to minutes after the local time of the equinox that year.
2) Subtracted the Equinox value from the ‘Ice out’ value, to get the ‘ice out’ in minutes after the Equinox.
3) Graphed the result, years horizontal, minutes vertical.
The result is trendless.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Steven Fraser
May 2, 2018 8:31 am

Sorry about the numbering.

ES
May 2, 2018 10:00 am

There more than one location for start of the Yukon River. From yukoninfo:
The generally accepted source of the Yukon River is the Llewellyn Glacier at the southern end of Atlin Lake in British Columbia. Others suggest that the source is Lake Lindeman at the northern end of the Chilkoot Trail. Either way, Atlin Lake flows into Tagish Lake, as eventually does Lake Lindeman after flowing into Lake Bennett. Tagish Lake then flows into Marsh Lake. The Yukon River proper starts at the northern end of Marsh Lake, just south of Whitehorse
https://www.yukoninfo.com/yukon-river/

Editor
May 2, 2018 12:55 pm

“Decreasing sunspot activity … increasing temperatures … not a good look for any purported solar influence on climate.”
Uh oh Willis, I may have to add you to my long list climate scientists who suggest that it is the rate of change in forcing, not the level of forcing, that drives temperature change.
Would you agree with this: “Decreasing solar insolation … increasing temperatures … not a good look for any purported solar influence on continued afternoon warming.”

John Bills
May 2, 2018 12:55 pm

Since 1988 the mean of the Nenana Ice Classic is 120 days.
That’s when the winds changed; look at the AO.

Editor
May 2, 2018 12:58 pm

The meme that warming should track the trend rather than the level of forcings was started by Mike Lockwood and Claus Frohlich in their 2007 paper: “Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature”
Their peculiar method for smoothing solar cycles placed the peak of the 1920-2000 grand maximum of solar activity in about 1987, not in 1958 as you do, but the mistake is the same. It’s not the peak that matters.
If when the peak in forcing is reached the heated object has not yet warmed up enough to throw off as much heat as is coming in, the object will continue to warm. With the diurnal cycle it typically isn’t until late afternoon that back-radiation rises enough to offset the (falling) solar insolation and the day stops warming. With longer-term and smaller-magnitude changes in forcings the analysis remains the same.
When I confronted Lockwood and others over this, suggesting that they seemed to be making unstated assumptions of rapid ocean equilibration, they responded with various arguments as to why ocean equilibration should be thought of as rapid, but these were highly contentious, off the cuff, and ultimately untenable arguments THAT THEY NEVER MADE when they stated their claims. They just asserted the wrong-science relationship that warming is driven by trend, not level, in forcings. Crazy. Don’t get pulled in Willis.
My final take down of the consensoids’ half-baked rapid ocean equilibration arguments:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/15/isaac-helds-2-box-model-another-failed-ocean-equilibration-excuse-for-dismissing-solar-warming/

Davis
May 2, 2018 4:22 pm

Most of the rivers in Canada run north, via the Arctic Ocean watershed, or the Hudson Bay watershed. The water from Jasper and Banff Alberta flow into Hudson Bay, in northern Manitoba.

May 2, 2018 9:49 pm

The great rivers in Siberia also flow north into the Arctic sea – the Lena, the Ob and the Yenisei.