Where Rivers Run North

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach [See updates at the end]

In the continental US, most of the rivers run east, west, or south. But in the Yukon and in Alaska, a number of them run north. The Yukon is a most curious river. The source of the Yukon in Lake Bennett in the Yukon Territory is only about forty miles (65 km) from the ocean … but instead of taking the direct route, it flows a total of almost 2000 miles (3200 km) before it finally gets to the ocean near Nome, Alaska.

Along the way, past Fairbanks in Alaska, the Yukon is joined by one of its many tributaries, the Tanana River. Like the Yukon, the Tanana also flows mostly north.

yukon and tanana.png

You can see the Tanana River noted in blue just to the left of Fairbanks.

And why is it significant that the Yukon and Tanana rivers run north? Well, it leads to a curious condition in the springtime. Over the winter, of course, the rivers tend to freeze up solid. In the spring, the south end of both rivers tend to thaw first … and that makes the breaking up of the ice a sudden event, with the mass of water surging downriver and clearing out the ice as it goes.

This is all of interest to climateers because the nights in the far north are so long. Why is the length of the nights relevant? Well, people get bored when it’s dark most of the time, and back in the day there was no TV up north … and as a result, more than a century ago people took to betting on the exact date and time that the rivers would experience “ice-out”, as it is called. Hey, you gotta do something to keep the megrims away …

So simply because humans like to bet, we have a hundred years or so of records of the exact dates of ice out for both the Yukon and the Tanana Rivers. The betting is a pool, with everyone putting in money, and the winner(s) take all. The betting on the Tanana River ice-out is called the Nenana Ice Classic, after the town where the betting takes place. This year the pool on the Nenana Ice Classic is just under a quarter of a megabuck … serious money.

How close to ice-out is the Tanana River? The precise ice-out date and time is determined by putting a tripod out on the rivers and connecting the top of the tripod by a cable to a clock in a tower on shore. Here’s a photo of the tripod and the tower I took when I visited the Tanana River a few years ago … obviously in the summer.

nenana ice classic

The Yukon river tripod is erected on the ice in the river near to Dawson City, Yukon Territory, and the Tanana River tripod is erected on the ice near to Nenana, Alaska.

And all of this is of interest right now because today the Tanana River is just about, nearly, almost, really close to, right on the edge of, ice-out.

As of this morning, here’s the situation on the Tanana River:

nenana tipping point.png

As you can see, the Nenana Ice Classic tripod out on the river ice has tilted precariously … but it hasn’t moved enough yet to stop the clock. Amazingly, I do believe that this is likely the very first photographic evidence of one of those famous “climate tipping points” that we all get warned about … but I digress.

So the ice in Nenana will likely go out today (May 1st) or tomorrow. And on the Yukon? Predictions are that the Yukon ice-out will occur on May 4 this year.

And what does the record of the ice-out dates for the two rivers show? Here you go.

yukon tanana ice out dates to 2017.png

This is a most fascinating record because it is totally unaffected by all of the things that bedevil temperature measurements—changes in station locations, changes in instrumentation, changes in time of observation, urban heat islands, trees growing around the thermometers, parking lots, increases in airport traffic near the station, none of these variables affect the ice-out dates in any meaningful way. It is a pure record of cumulative weather conditions each spring.

You can see the peak of the temperatures about 1940, and the drop in temperature to about 1965. From there, temperatures rise until the 1990s, followed by the infamous plateau in warming up to the present. In fact, it looks a lot like the early GISS global average temperature records, before the drop after the 1940s got mostly erased from the record.

Now, there has been a lot of recent discussion here on WUWT about putative solar effects on the climate. So I thought I’d make a comparison of the temperature as represented by the ice-out dates, and the solar activity as represented by the sunspots.

ice out dates and sunspots.png

I’m sure you can see the problem. The solar activity has generally been decreasing since the peak in about 1958 … but the Arctic has been generally warming since about 1965 up to 1995 or so, and it’s been basically flat since then. Decreasing sunspot activity … increasing temperatures … not a good look for any purported solar influence on climate.

This makes it very hard to argue that sunspot-related variations in solar activity have much effect on arctic temperatures. And this is true even if you believe that there is a decade or so of lag between solar activity and temperature. A lag of a decade is equivalent to moving the black line to the right an amount equal to one of the dotted lines … and that doesn’t improve the fit in any way.

This is another of the many datasets that I’ve looked at that have not shown any sunspot-related signal. Do all of my negative findings show that the sunspot variations don’t affect surface climate datasets? Nope. You can’t prove a negative. It’s just one more in the long list of datasets that do not show any such sunspot-related signal.

Regards to all, spring is here, the ice is melting … well, most places it’s melting …

[UPDATE] My thanks to Dave Burton in the comments, who noted that you can click here for the latest webcam picture …

[UPDATE 2] Here’s how the alarmist Gavin Schmidt, serial failed doomcaster, spins the Nenana data on Twitter …

Gavin Schmidt @ClimateOfGavin · 9h This year will be v. close to trend.gavin on nenana
Unending straight-line warming … who knew? (H/T to Willie Soon)

w.

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Steve Zell
May 1, 2018 1:36 pm

“And why is it significant that the Yukon and Tanana rivers run north? Well, it leads to a curious condition in the springtime. Over the winter, of course, the rivers tend to freeze up solid. In the spring, the south end of both rivers tend to thaw first … and that makes the breaking up of the ice a sudden event, with the mass of water surging downriver and clearing out the ice as it goes.”
From the map, the Yukon River flows mostly north or northwest in Canada, but flows more toward the west in Alaska, as does the Tanana River.
But although the source of the Yukon is to the south of Dawson, it is also at higher elevation, so it is not obvious that the surface of the river always thaws earlier at the source than at Dawson.
Also, the date on which a tripod on the ice tips over isn’t necessarily related only to temperature. If there is a relatively warm but dry spring upstream, the water flow will be slower, and the ice downstream may last longer. If there is a very wet spring upstream, the water flow will be faster, and will tend to break up the ice, even if the weather is not warm. The photo of the tripod also showed a lot of waves, probably due to a crosswind on the river. Wouldn’t wind also tend to tip the tripod over, if the ice is thin?

May 1, 2018 1:44 pm

There are some very fun climate information associated with these Arctic River break-ups.
1) HadCrut Northern Hemisphere data shows an increase in warming temperatures of approximately 0.5 degrees C per century. The Tanana River break-up is occurring approximately 7- 8 days earlier over the past century, less than 1 day per decade.
2) The Yukon River break-up overall trendline is slightly lower than the Tanana break-up showing a 6 day per century increase in break-up dates.
3) The 1940 early break-up on the Tanana is coincident with the 1940 instrumental temperature warming period. However, this warm period is more pronounced in the Tanana River Breakup data and occurred earlier than the 2016 break-up.
4) The 1998 and 2016 early Tanana River break-ups are consistent with the strong El Nina events that occurred during the same years.
5) The Yukon River typically breaks up 2 to 4.5 days later than Tanana. The Tanana River is the largest tributary of the Yukon River from the south. It appears spring thaws arrive here earlier than in the Yukon River at Dawson.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/arctic-river-break-ups-record-climate-variability-renee-hannon/

Felix
Reply to  Renee
May 1, 2018 1:59 pm

Is it bad form here to correct an obvious typo?
El Niño, not La.

Felix
Reply to  Felix
May 1, 2018 2:00 pm

I mean not Niña.

Reply to  Felix
May 1, 2018 2:13 pm

Yes, saw the typo. Should be El Niño.

Felix
Reply to  Felix
May 1, 2018 3:00 pm

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It’s a boy!

Reply to  Felix
May 1, 2018 3:35 pm

Are you sure?

Reply to  Felix
May 1, 2018 4:18 pm

This is all Javier’s doing. In his last post he claims that instead of La Nina meaning cooling and El Nino meaning warming, it’s just the opposite.

Felix
Reply to  Felix
May 1, 2018 4:32 pm

Renee,
I know it’s hard to tell from the statue, but I have it on infallible authority that that figure represents the Christ Child. Of course, if He really were born parthenogenetically, He’d have been a little girl.
Javier has it right with regards to ultimate effect, but in terms of original water temperature on the South American coast, the Christ Child is warm and his sister is cold. El Nino’s warm water hitting Peru releases heat to the air, eventually cooling the water.

May 1, 2018 1:47 pm

Willis,
What your ice out day vs sunspot graph shows is there is a possible ~30-35 year lag in the ice out day to detrended ice-out day 17 year Gaussian averages. Not enough ice-out data of course. We need about 200-240 years more data on that.
Essentially, it may be a delayed phase response (ice out day) is a result of climate responding as in d(sin x)/dt = cos x. The time derivative of the periodic input function is a pi/2 phase shift forward response.
And 2X (30 to 35) years is 60 – 70 year cycle. Examining “Pacing” involves the first derivative wrt time in Earth’s climate.

JimG1
May 1, 2018 1:47 pm

Gets much colder in winter in the interior of Alaska and much warmer in the summer due to the moderating influence of the ocean along the coast. Should tell folks that this is a clue as to the most powerfull thermostat on the planet, for whatever effect that might have on your data and conclusions.
Also, rivers run north where I live in Wyoming. They run downhill everywhere that I know of, even in the Wind River gorge, where it looks like they run uphill.

Shanghai Dan
May 1, 2018 1:56 pm

Willis,
Excellent post! But I do have a question: have you validated your data via a model? We all know that without a model to confirm your data, your data is suspect. So get to modeling first, then we can talk about whether or not the ice-out date is valid for climate change studies!

ChrisW
May 1, 2018 2:05 pm

Hi Willis,
Just to be clear, there are hundreds of rivers in North America that flow to the north. The Great Lakes Watershed is full of them!
Water doesn’t pay much attention to compass directions, but it does pay attention to gravity!

J Mac
Reply to  ChrisW
May 1, 2018 3:52 pm

True dat!

Felix
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 1, 2018 4:26 pm

Willis Eschenbach May 1, 2018 at 4:09 pm
The longest river in North America is Canada’s Mackenzie, at 2,635 miles, longer than the Missouri (unless you combine the Mighty Mo with the lower Mississippi from its confluence). The Yukon, St. Lawrence, Nelson (considering its source in the Rockies rather than Lake Winnipeg) and Slave Rivers are longer than the Columbia.
Many NA rivers, like the Yukon, change direction during their trip to the sea, lake or salt flat. The Yukon flows north, then generally west. The Columbia flows north, then south, then west. The Mississippi system generally flows south, but its Missouri arm aims SE, while the Ohio runs from east to west. California’s Central Valley system has the Sacramento flowing south, the San Joaquin north and the two join to empty into SF Bay.
As you note, thanks to the Mississippi, probably the largest volume of river water ultimately heads south (as in general do the Colorado and Rio Grande), but the north-flowing NA rivers are no slouches.

May 1, 2018 2:14 pm

An earlier spring river breakup does not evidence a warming average climate without other data. It is evidence of an earlier spring warming in that area. As such it is only interesting and mostly to local residents.
It has been quite noticeable to most of us oldtimers that spring has been coming earlier and the growing season has been getting longer in our part of Canada.
We have also noticed less hot days in summer and less cold days in winter which indicates a moderating climate but not necessarily an average warming.
Anecdotal, I know, but as much value as river breakup dates which may have many explanations as do our observations.
None of this indicates that the trends will continue and none shows a connection to CO2, in spite of the ridiculous assertion by some that there is no other possible explanation.

taxed
Reply to  Rockyredneck
May 1, 2018 2:40 pm

Rockyredneck
The recent warming of the springtime has been happening right across the NH and not only in Canada, which the spring snow extent has shown up clearly.
Any changes during this important time of year has a big role to play within climate overall.

Reply to  taxed
May 2, 2018 9:40 am

There is no argument that our climate (North America or less than 5% of the earth’s surface) ishas changed. The point is that it is not an indication of a warmer global average and that it is actually a beneficial change in most ways.

tty
Reply to  Rockyredneck
May 2, 2018 3:32 am

As noted above the ice-breakup dates for Torne älv correlate rather well with spring temperatures (R2=0.67) for the period where thermometer data is available (from 1802 on).

taxed
May 1, 2018 2:16 pm

The 50 year record of the NH spring snow extent tells much the same story, of a steady warming during the all important springtime.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  taxed
May 1, 2018 5:28 pm

As usual you alarmists will jump to the next statistic as soon as all your other statistics show no warming. So the latest alarmist stat that argues their case is spring snow extent. See the following
https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/
I will quote from the site
“Annual snow cover extent (SCE) over Northern Hemisphere lands averaged 25.8 million square kilometers in 2017. This is 0.7 million sq. km more than the 48-year average, and ranks 2017 as having the 8th most extensive cover on record… ”
Sure the graph has a downward linear trend since 1967 but given enough years and the trend line will go up. The only thing that global warming alarmists have for evidence is short range linear trend estimates of snow extent and fake surface temperature measurements. Basing trillion $ tax policies on this is fraud on the grandest scale. I dont understand greenies. Do they want us to go back to living in caves?
We need more CO2 NOT less

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
May 1, 2018 9:59 pm

Also see this
http://climate.news/2018-04-19-scientists-have-underestimated-how-much-snow-accumulates-in-north-america.html
“The report from the researchers said that earlier estimates of snow volume for the continent needed to be revised, mainly due to the fact that snow accumulation per year is 50 percent higher than official figures.”

LouMaytrees
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
May 3, 2018 8:34 am

Alan, just wondering, what ‘trillion $ tax policies’ do you claim are happening b/c of this fraud?

May 1, 2018 2:34 pm

Furthermore, I would submit that your assumption:
“fascinating record because it is totally unaffected by all of the things that bedevil temperature measurements—changes in station locations, changes in instrumentation, changes in time of observation, urban heat islands, trees growing around the thermometers, parking lots, increases in airport traffic near the station, none of these variables affect the ice-out dates in any meaningful way. “
Is invalid.
Consider the City of White Horse, as most assuredly its population has increased since 1920 and it has built a modern waste water treatment facility to accomodate growth, including a nice golf course along the River’s edge.
and its sanitary sewage system deposits treated waste water to the adjacent Yukon River.
Read more here:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/whitehorse-discharges-treated-sewage-into-yukon-river-annually-1.3226024
A Google Maps view of the White Horse sewage lagoon, the Yukon River, and the nice golf course:
http://i63.tinypic.com/xqiba0.png
Although they don’t release treated lagoon water in winter-spring months, it is held in large lagoons to be released in the summer and fall months, those annual alterations in amount of winter ice build-up from the fall month’s warm lagoon water release to the river is likely significant in its impediment to winter ice accumulation downstream. Essentially the warmer fall water releases show up as a delayed response many hundreds of miles downstream. i.e. earlier ice break-up. It’s an anthropogenic effect like UHI to be sure, but nothing to do with increasing levels in the atmosphere of TheMagicMolecule.
.
Similarly for Fairbanks and the towns around it to the Chena River, which feeds into the Nenana River.
So like White Horse, Fairbanks has an increasing population over the last 100 years and the addition of modern waste water treatment facilities that dump the warmer lagoon waste water into the Nenana River.
http://www.akwater.com/i/photos/wastewater_treatment_plant.jpg
The Golden Heart Utilities Wastewater Treatment Plant serves as the regional treatment plant for the greater Fairbanks area.
Cheers,
Joel

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 1, 2018 3:01 pm

In addition there has been a substantial build-up since late 1990’s at Fort Greely and the surrounding town of Delta Junction to support construction and now operations at the National Missile Defense site there.
http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Greely_Alaska/006.png
The missile silo complex is the large white area in this image. North is to the Left, the Nanana-Delta River runs along the perimeters of the installation. The Delta River feeds the Nanana River
http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Greely_Alaska/Interceptor_Missile_a.jpg
NMD Interceptor missile being loaded into a silo at Ft Greely, AK.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 2, 2018 12:58 pm

Joel,
“Essentially the warmer fall water releases show up as a delayed response many hundreds of miles downstream. i.e. earlier ice break-up”
Isn’t this simply your assertion? You’ve presented no evidence supporting it, and nothing that invalidates Willis’s assertion.
I agree with Willis. It seems extremely unlikely the water release would have the effect you envision unless through some weird complex interaction between nutrients and biota and albedo or something, but that’s sheer fantasy.

JD
May 1, 2018 2:42 pm

Looks like the tower fell fully and the clock is stopped, the rope is down.

May 1, 2018 2:59 pm

It looks like the latest Nenana ice-out was May 20th, 2013 at 2:41 PM, not really that long ago:
https://public.tableau.com/views/NenanaIceClassicWinningDatesTimes1917-2016/NenanaIceClassicWinningDatesTimes1917-2016?:embed=y&:display_count=yes&:showVizHome=no

Bruce of Newcastle
May 1, 2018 3:11 pm

Looks like a fairly tight correlation with the PDO, which means the ~60 year cycle.

Felix
Reply to  Bruce of Newcastle
May 1, 2018 3:44 pm

Which correlates well with temperature series, to the extent that those artifacts can be believed. That said, here’s an outdated HadCRUT:comment image
1850-80: Warming
1880-1910: Cooling
1910-40: Warming
1940-70: Cooling
1970-2000: Warming
2000-2030: Cooling (except for the recent El Nino spike).
The 30-year cycles aren’t exact, but close enough for government work.
The past PDO cool phase ended in 1977, for instance.

May 1, 2018 3:56 pm

The Yellow River (Huang He) in China has a long northward loop into colder zones that often ice up in the winter, which in the past caused bad flooding when the ice dams collapsed in the spring. This from Wikipedia: “Another historical source of devastating floods is the collapse of upstream ice dams in Inner Mongolia with an accompanying sudden release of vast quantities of impounded water. There have been 11 such major floods in the past century, each causing tremendous loss of life and property. Nowadays, explosives dropped from aircraft are used to break the ice dams before they become dangerous.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River

Felix
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 1, 2018 4:51 pm

Thanks!
The double tetrapod data before 1940 can’t be trusted, so the trend is actually toward worrisome cooling!

barryjo
May 1, 2018 4:38 pm

Interesting. I seem to recall that back in the 40’s or 50’s, various service clubs in northern Wisconsin would put a junked auto on the ice, attached by a cable, and sell chances on ice out. Probably verboten by the EPA now.

RicDre
Reply to  barryjo
May 1, 2018 6:21 pm

The last time I was in Mauston WI in the winter (about 5 years ago) they were still putting a junk card on the Lemonweir river and betting on the day it would fall through the ice.

RicDre
Reply to  RicDre
May 1, 2018 6:22 pm

oops, I meant “…putting a junk car on the iced-over Lemonweir river …”

May 1, 2018 4:54 pm

Here are the historical ice out dates for Nenana Ice Classic:
Which establish that a May 1, date as not unusual.
April, 30 1917 11:30 A.M.
May, 11 1918 9:33 A.M.
May, 3 1919 2:33 P.M.
May, 11 1920 10:46 A.M.
May, 11 1921 6:42 A.M.
May, 12 1922 1:20 P.M.
May, 9 1923 2:00 A.M.
May, 11 1924 3:10 P.M.
May, 7 1925 6:32 P.M.
April, 26 1926 4:03 P.M.
May, 13 1927 5:42 A.M.
May, 6 1928 4:25 P.M.
May, 5 1929 3:41 P.M.
May, 8 1930 7:03 P.M.
May, 10 1931 9:23 A.M.
May, 1 1932 10:15 A.M.
May, 8 1933 7:30 P.M.
April, 30 1934 2:07 P.M.
May, 15 1935 1:32 P.M.
April, 30 1936 12:58 P.M.
May, 12 1937 8:04 P.M.
May, 6 1938 8:14 P.M.
April, 29 1939 1:26 P.M.
April, 20 1940 3:27 P.M.
May, 3 1941 1:50 A.M.
April, 30 1942 1:28 P.M.
April, 28 1943 7:22 P.M.
May, 4 1944 2:08 P.M.
May, 16 1945 9:41 A.M.
May, 5 1946 4:40 P.M.
May, 3 1947 5:53 P.M.
May, 13 1948 11:13 A.M.
May, 14 1949 12:39 P.M.
May, 6 1950 4:14 P.M.
April, 30 1951 5:54 P.M.
May, 12 1952 5:04 P.M.
April, 29 1953 3:54 P.M.
May, 6 1954 6:01 P.M.
May, 9 1955 2:13 P.M.
May, 1 1956 11:24 P.M.
May, 5 1957 9:30 A.M.
April, 29 1958 2:56 P.M.
May, 8 1959 11:26 A.M.
May, 2 1960 7:12 P.M.
May, 5 1961 11:31 A.M.
May, 12 1962 11:23 P.M.
May, 5 1963 6:25 P.M.
May, 20 1964 11:41 A.M.
May, 7 1965 7:01 P.M.
May, 8 1966 12:11 P.M.
May, 4 1967 11:55 A.M.
May, 8 1968 9:26 A.M.
April, 28 1969 12:28 P.M.
May, 4 1970 10:37 A.M.
May, 8 1971 9:31 P.M.
May, 10 1972 11:56 A.M.
May, 4 1973 11:59 A.M.
May, 6 1974 , 3:44 P.M.
May, 10 1975 , 1:49 P.M.
May, 2 1976 , 10:51 A.M.
May, 6 1977 , 12:46 P.M.
April, 30 1978 , 3:18 P.M.
April, 30 1979 , 6:16 P.M.
April, 29 1980 , 1:16 P.M.
April, 30 1981 , 6:44 P.M.
May, 10 1982 , 5:36 P.M.
April, 29 1983 , 6:37 P.M.
May, 9 1984 , 3:33 P.M.
May, 11 1985 , 2:36 P.M.
May, 8 1986 , 10:50 P.M.
May, 5 1987 , 3:11 P.M.
April, 27 1988 , 9:15 A.M.
May, 1 1989 , 8:14 P.M.
April, 24 1990 , 5:19 P.M.
May, 1 1991 , 12:04 A.M.
May, 14 1992 , 6:26 A.M.
April, 23 1993 , 1:01 P.M.
April, 29 1994 , 11:01 P.M.
April, 26 1995 , 1:22 P.M.
May, 5 1996 , 12:32 P.M.
April, 30 1997 , 10:28 A.M.
April, 20 1998 , 4:54 P.M.
April, 29 1999 , 9:47 P.M.
May, 1 2000 , 10:47 A.M.
May, 8 2001 , 1:00 P.M.
May, 7 2002 , 9:27 P.M.
April, 29 2003 , 6:22 P.M.
April, 24 2004 , 2:16 P.M.
April, 28 2005 , 2:01 P.M.
May, 2 2006 , 5:29 P.M.
April, 27 2007 , 3:47 P.M.
May, 6 2008 , 10:53 P.M.
May, 1 2009 , 8:41 P.M.
April, 29 2010 , 9:06 A.M.
May, 4 2011 , 4:24 P.M.
April, 23 2012 , 7:39 P.M.
May, 20 2013 , 2:41 P.M.
April, 25 2014 , 3:48 P.M.
April, 24 2015 , 2:25 P.M.
April, 23 2016 , 3:39 P.M.
May, 1 2017 , 12:00 P.M.

Steven Fraser
Reply to  ATheoK
May 1, 2018 5:23 pm

The official website now says that ‘Ice went out’ at 1:18 p.m.
Its too bad that Gavin does not account for the variety of timezones, and the various dates/times of the Vernal equinox through the year.

Steve Fraser
Reply to  Steven Fraser
May 1, 2018 5:58 pm

….and, the last 30 years are trendless.

Felix
Reply to  Steven Fraser
May 1, 2018 6:00 pm

And pronounced cooling since 1940.

Intelligent Dasein
May 1, 2018 5:48 pm

It would appear from the ice-out data that people in the ’60s and ’70s could legitimately have worried about global cooling, while in the ’90s it was at least not unreasonable to speculate about global warming. I am no warmist myself, but I have to admit to being a little irritated by the kind of attitude which blithely insists that everything if fine and always will be fine. Sometimes bad things really do happen, so not every concern should just be casually dismissed.

Felix
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
May 1, 2018 5:59 pm

ID,
Nothing the least bit out of the ordinary is happening with Earth’s climate. Minor fluctuations in temperature don’t make much difference, except that cooler is worse than warmer.
Earth has been cooling for over 3000 years, since the Minoan Warm Period, heading out of the Holocene interglacial into the next glaciation. That’s what should worry us, although the NH ice sheets probably won’t begin expanding again for thousands of years.
During that long-term cooling, there have of course been warmer, centennial-scale intervals, like the Roman and Medieval WPs, followed by cooler phases, like the Dark Ages Cool Period and Little Ice Age. We are now in the Modern WP, but so far it has been less hot than the Medieval, with was cooler than the Roman, which was cooler than the Minoan. The trend is not our friend.
Within the Modern WP, there have so far been warm and cool cycles on decadal time scales as well. We might be leaving the late 20th century warming for the early 21st century cooling, which would be a bad thing. The first warm cycle of the Modern WP was in the mid-19th century, followed by the late 19th century cooler interval, followed by the early 20th century warming, followed by the mid-20th century cooling, followed by the late 20th century warming.
There is no detectable global human signal in the late 20th century warming, although our activities have definitely had local effects. So, no worries on a planetary basis.

Reply to  Felix
May 1, 2018 7:06 pm

There is no detectable global human signal in the late 20th century warming, although our activities have definitely had local effects. So, no worries on a planetary basis.

Although its not down to CO2 or any other man made effect, the climate is changing and always has.
And climate change has always had massive impacts on humanity.
So it s a cause for worry. Its just that since we didn’t cause it, attempts to stop it are futile.

John Harmsworth
May 1, 2018 7:21 pm

Too many confounding factors on the Yukon. Looks to me like the Mackenzie is more relevant
, from April 9, 1875 breakup to May 9, 1958. Back to April dates in more recent times.

Felix
Reply to  John Harmsworth
May 1, 2018 7:28 pm

I agree that its drainage has been less affected by development.

John Harmsworth
May 1, 2018 7:25 pm

Sorry, those dates are quite far South, but dates are available all along the river as it flows North.

Roger Knights
May 1, 2018 8:01 pm

There’s a book from the 1950s called The Rivers Ran East about an adventurer’s search for a hidden stash of gold in the Amazon basin. A page-turner.

May 1, 2018 8:32 pm

The Truckee River is the only exit out of Lake Tahoe and winds its way North and a little East ending at Pyramid Lake in Nevada where much of the water from snow melt on the Eastern side of the Pacific Crest around Lake Tahoe just evaporates away.

J.H.
May 1, 2018 10:09 pm

Ice dams forming also tend to confound things for the Ice Out… if just the right conditions occur and large segments of ice reach certain bottlenecks along the river’s course, very large and long lasting ice dams can form…. Which cause infrequent but very devastating floods for those unfortunate to be up river of them… It also delays the ice breakup monitor’s verdict.

J.H.
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 1, 2018 10:59 pm

Yep… You can pretty much say with complete confidence that the river will break up somewhere between April 20th and May 20th…. . 😉

Alan Tomalty
May 1, 2018 10:46 pm

A New Estimate of North American Mountain Snow Accumulation From Regional Climate Model Simulations
http://www.newswise.com/articles/how-much-snow-accumulates-in-north-america-each-year%3F-more-than-scientists-thought
Abstract
“Despite the importance of mountain snowpack to understanding the water and energy cycles in North America’s montane regions, no reliable mountain snow climatology exists for the entire continent. We present a new estimate of mountain snow water equivalent (SWE) for North America from regional climate model simulations. Climatological peak SWE in North America mountains is 1,006 km3, 2.94 times larger than previous estimates from reanalyses. By combining this mountain SWE value with the best available global product in nonmountain areas, we estimate peak North America SWE of 1,684 km3, 55% greater than previous estimates. In our simulations, the date of maximum SWE varies widely by mountain range, from early March to mid‐April. Though mountains comprise 24% of the continent’s land area, we estimate that they contain ~60% of North American SWE. This new estimate is a suitable benchmark for continental‐ and global‐scale water and energy budget studies.”
The key word here is that they used “simulations” ; code for climate models to discover that there was more snow in the mountains than they thought there was. So do we believe them? The whole point of the study was to plead for money for a special satellite that would just measure snow. I think the skiing industry should kick in a little bit. Maybe some of the trillion $ that is spent on global warming each year could be diverted. This one big global warming hoax plus the Ozone hole hoax has set back science 30 years or more. Not only halted real science research but actually has corrupted it to a point where I muse about its ability to undo all the bad conclusions in all the bad reports that site previously bad reports to justify their conclusions. It pyramids to the point that the whole house of cards could fall. Medical science and the social sciences are in the same boat because of adherence to 2 sigma stats instead of 5 sigma stats.

LouMaytrees
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
May 5, 2018 6:46 am

Alan, total US federal taxes last year were a little over $3 Trillion so it is NOT possible that ‘trillions’ are taxed for AGW. Even when you add state and local taxes in it comes to $6 trillion. According to your ‘trillions’ that would equal 67% of federal taxes or 33% of all taxes, and thats at the low end. So your claim that ‘trillions are spent’ is pure baloney. And the US GDP was a little over $18 Trillion so if you’re claiming trillions are spent in the economy well that’s just business that people participate in and that keeps our economy going. So your claim is just ideological bullshit and completely false.

Gerald the Mole
May 2, 2018 2:19 am

Willis, Fantatstic. Real science. Shows that you can see a lot by just looking. 73 de