AGU Release No. 18-06
American Geophysical Union urges research programs on climate intervention to better understand the risks and opportunities
AGU updates its position statement on climate intervention and issues a related white paper on the topic.
WASHINGTON, DC— The American Geophysical Union (AGU) today announced a revision and reaffirmation of its position statement, “Climate Intervention Requires Enhanced Research, Consideration of Societal and Environmental Impacts, and Policy Development.”
The statement was updated to reflect changes in the current understanding of climate intervention approaches, notably updating “geoengineering solutions” to “climate intervention” and discussing the two distinct categories of climate intervention: carbon dioxide removal (CDR) and albedo modification (AM).
Further, AGU affirms its endorsement of more substantial CDR and AM research programs to examine these strategies in more detail, including programs outlined by the U.S. National Academies.
“We know the climate is changing, humans are responsible for most of the increase in temperature over the past half century, and that emissions reductions must play a key role in policy moving forward.” said David Victor, Ph.D., chair of the Climate Intervention Position Statement Task Force for AGU. “Climate intervention could play a key role in managing the effects of climate change but our scientific understanding of its impacts remains poor. More research to understand it’s full risks and opportunities will be vital to a more informed public policy.”
The nine-person panel that reviewed and revised the position statement included:
- David Victor, University of California San Diego and Brookings Institution (chair)
- Ken Caldeira, Carnegie Institution for Science
- Piers Forster, University of Leeds
- Ben Kravitz, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
- Marcia McNutt, National Academies of Science
- Joyce Penner, University of Michigan
- Alan Robock, Rutgers University
- Naomi Vaughan, University of East Anglia
- Jennifer Wilcox, Colorado School of Mines
AGU maintains position statements to provide scientific expertise on significant policy issues related to the understanding and application of their members’ scientific disciplines.
The revised position statement was adopted by AGU’s Board of Directors in December 2017. The statement is based on AGU’s previous geoengineering statement adopted on 13 December 2009 in collaboration with the American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement which was adopted by AMS Council on 20 July 2009. AGU revised and reaffirmed that original statement in February 2012. Learn more about AGU position statements.
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Progressives are Out Of Touch on a Biblical Scale; NAACP Should Demand Re-Direction of Climate Change Funding to Inner-Cities
The social and economic statics of the black community are horrifying, and yet on MLK day 2018, the NAACP claims that “MLK’s Vision Can’t Be Achieved Without Fighting Global Warming.” This, out of all examples, highlights the complete and absolute corrupting force that Climate Change has become. No example I have found demonstrates the absurdity of Climate Change Policy more than the NAACP betraying those whom they claim to represent, and putting the needs of the Democratic Party above them.
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/01/15/progressives-are-out-of-touch-on-a-biblical-scale-naacp-should-demand-re-direction-of-climate-change-funding/
Dear God, not this geoengineering crap again.
I think the warming is grossly exaggerated and co2 is actually good for the biosphere.
But if some insist that we need to do something, then geo engineering is the solution. It is much cheaper than cutting fossil fuels and keeps jobs.
Geo engineering is already done. For example release of genetically modified crops and mosquitoes is a form of geo engineering.
The problem is messing with ecology usually has unforeseen and highly deleterious consequences – see rabbits, cane toads, rats etc. If people begin adopting that kind of ill-informed high risk strategy with the entire planet then that is the day I go full Rebel Alliance.
Geoengineering solves nothing, as there is nothing that needs solving, and is both expensive and possibly dangerous. It is piling stupidity on top of stupidity.
At a minimum, this shows that some of the useful idiots are getting of script.
In the 70’s one of the talking points was that we can’t (or shouldn’t) try to fix global cooling with technical means … we need to change our behavior.
With global warming the main goal was changing the world economy; and the main point was/is that we need to change our behavior (and/or pay $ to have it changed for us).
Let ’em get off script. Just watch ’em and make sure that they don’t get out of control. Pat them on the back an say:
“sure, good thinking outside the box … keep it up; when we as a global society decide, with complete consensus, what the temperature and sea level should optimally be and you guys can get us there we’ll do it.”
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We know . . . humans are responsible for most of the increase in temperature over the past half century . . . .
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This statement is not based on facts but belief. We might claim that humans are responsible for affecting the climate, and their contribution lies somewhere between 0% and 100%. After that, it’s just as wrong to say it’s exactly 5% or 95%. Even splitting the difference and saying it’s 50% is wrong. We actually don’t know the exact contribution–it’s made-up hysteria.
Jim
+100 Jim
Oh but the carefully adjusted and tuned outputs from GCMs tell them it is so.
The evil MagicMolecule™️ must be defeated.
Onward with the Climate Crusades.
And new taxes must be levied to pay for the Geo-engineered cleansing.
(Truly, we are in a Dark Ages of science. )
Ever since someone bit into that stupid apple we have been evil and need to be punished. There are always those willing to do the preaching and the punishing. Climate alarmism is just an excuse for the punishment.
Jim, see my remark above, the Man Made part is the Adjustments to the data adding at least 0.5C to the 20th Century trend.
Climate intervention could play a key role in managing the effects of climate change but our scientific understanding of its impacts remains poor.
So, when it comes to things that humans are doing that affect climate, they insist that they can accurately predict their impacts because they know exactly how climate works. But when it comes to things that humans might do on purpose, they don’t understand how the climate works well enough well enough to predict the impacts because they don’t know exactly how climate works.
Snort.
What I don’t get is how the information shows that 99.95% of Carbon Dioxide is from Natural Sources. This is all Flora and Fauna that has exponentially increased since the end of the last Glacial Maximum. This is exponentially greening the earth from micro-flora to giant redwoods and exponentially increasing all the micro-fauna to whales. Humans and many species of animals are also increasing in size/weight because of the more abundant flora they injest and that carbon is what builds every cell in animals, just as all Flora cells are carbon based. Flora dies and carbon dioxide is released back into the environment. Humans like all fauna exhale more carbon dioxide than we inhale.
Only around 0.03% of human contributors to the mass of Carbon Dioxide in the environment is from Fossil Fuels that we get all our energy from to better our lives and that of nature. That makes 99.95 go to 99.97% of the increase of Carbon Dioxide in the environment comes from nature including soil respiration, volcanoes and the largest source is the exchange between the Atmosphere and the Oceans and 0.02% from other human sources of cement manufacturing, industrial activities and deforestation.
That 0.03% is what is being attacked for causing all this “Global Warming” and “Climate Change” because the Atmosphere has 2 ppm averages of Carbon Dioxide increase per year, over the 60 year’s it has been measured. And as I’ve shown, only about 0.03% is from Fossil Fuels. That the world governments have been demonizing. Increasing taxes and your cost of living for the energy we all want to better our existence. That fund’s those governments war on fossil fuels that they know we are depending upon and will pay the price to have it…
And that is the biggest SCAM that has been pulled on you, a citizen of your country. For a Fake War on Fossil Fuels that that 0.03% is not going to make any significant difference in Global Warming and Climate Change.
[4% or 0.04 percent? .mod]
I’m afraid most of us are getting a bit deep into the weeds here. “Climate Intervention Requires Enhanced Research, Consideration of Societal and Environmental Impacts, and Policy Development.” has a very simple and familiar translation: “Give Us More Money.”
It’s worse than we thought/think! There are numerous villages with multiple idiots! Who knew?
‘Humans are responsible’. That warmunist belief has foundered on the rocks of reality. Except for the now cooled 2015-16 El Nino blip, there has been no significant warming this century (except by Karlization). Yet that period comprises ~35% of all the increase in atmospheric CO2 since 1958 (inception of Keeling curve).
Why fool with geoengineering whe we have a reliable natural control system already. Higher ground level temp….more evaporation….makes more clouds….reflecting more sunlight into space….causing ground level temp to fall again. If it wasn’t that way we would have been venus or snowball earth for millions of years already.
At least the internet will provide a good record of all the scam organizations involved in the world’s greatest science policy mistake in history. The AMO will humble them all. They should be humbled and repentant.
Which story is it that Doublespeak is used? Not 1984.
Don’t go off the rails here. Go back to this part of that missive up at the top:
“Climate intervention could play a key role in managing the effects of climate change but our scientific understanding of its impacts remains poor. More research to understand it’s full risks and opportunities will be vital to a more informed public policy.”
I’m going to break this down a little bit.
1 – Climate intervention: well, ‘climate’ is a long-term event, requiring considerable stamina and attention to detail, and a group of people willing to devote their entire lives and those of their children and children’s children and all possible descendants to recording and reporting the results of any proposed intervention, IF it is actually put into effect. So try to imagine Giacomo, your great-great grandson, being told that he has to study climate data results instead of pioneering a new settlement on Proxima Centauri b’s small, cold planet. All he wants to do is get the H E double hockeysticks away from this silly planet Earth. I’m referring to several generations of people required to provide a consistent result, sort of like the Medieval Guilds system. And Giacomo ain’t happy about the destiny that Mama and Papa have in store for him.
2 – ‘could play a role’: dithering there, maybe it could work, maybe not, but we need money to find out.
3 – ‘but our scientific understanding of its impacts remains poor’: well, they’re either too lazy to pay attention to their own data and analyze it (which can be quite boring) or they really are playing the shell game with any suckers that walk past the table.
4 – ‘More research to understand its full risks and opportunities will be vital to a more informed public policy.’ More research means ‘Gimme more money, I don’t want to leave the cushy office I’m in and go find a job in the field. I hate bugs and flowers make me sneeze, and I’m afraid of hail storms and thundersnow.’
So while all of you are getting your backs up and pawing the ground and snorting, this release is plainly a begging letter for more money, ostensibly for more research, which will be followed by another begging letter for more money, and so on and so on and so on, ad nauseum.
Anyone with any sense would shut this stuff down and tell them the cash flow ends now.
“We know the climate is changing, humans are responsible for most of the increase in temperature over the past half century, and that emissions reductions must play a key role in policy moving forward.” said David Victor, Ph.D., chair of the Climate Intervention Position Statement Task Force for AGU. “Climate intervention could play a key role in managing the effects of climate change but our scientific understanding of its impacts remains poor. More research to understand it’s full risks and opportunities will be vital to a more informed public policy.”
Unbelievable level of arrogance and over-inflated egos at the AGU. Head need to roll.
Heads (plural).
What could possibly go wrong?
If AGU were to become a co-litigant with deBlasio and deBlasio looses which looks very certain then AGU can be considered a Failed Experiment just like cold fusion.
Ha ha
This sciencey stuff is easy peasy. You just notice extreme weather is the number one problem-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/extreme-weather-ranked-as-the-biggest-threat-in-2018/ar-AAuPpQP
and get some grants to fix it.
Good point. I live in Harvey land. Just heard a report on Corpus Christi TV about flooding of a government office in Port Aransas. The surge there was not particularly high. Barrier Islands in hurricane land are very inhospitable places even with current considerable subsidy. Similar problems with government (and many other) structures in Rockport, inland on a Pleistocene barrier island. Last severe storm, Celia, in 1970. Working backward, if it repeats forward, not much time to prepare. Sea level change trivial. It was a very exceptional storm, based on the tree damage, a long time coming .
Port Aransas, maximum elevation around 4-5 meters, most of town below 3. Rough median distance to Gulf of Mexico less than a kilometer, however somewhat well protected by significant sand dunes. The whole area has considerable, mostly ignored, exceptional quantity and quality of scientific talent in geology and other relevant sciences and engineering. Even me, who has been at sea at the edge of a tropical storm.
So when do they admit that they been spraying crap in the atmosphere for decades? Talk about liability!
If someone could lower the albedo around my snow laden house for, let’s say 3-4 months starting now, i’d be much obliged 😉