By Larry Kummer. From the Fabius Maximus website.
Summary: An important (but fatally flawed) new peer-reviewed paper about climate change reveals much about climate science, the public policy debate, and the role of science institutions in America. Here is a quick look at it and its lessons for us.
Do remember you are there to fuddle him. From the way some of you young fiends talk, anyone would suppose it was our job to teach!
Your affectionate uncle,
– Screwtape {From C. S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters
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“Internet Blogs, Polar Bears, and Climate-Change Denial by Proxy“
Posted yesterday in Bioscience (an Oxford Academic journal).
By Jeffrey A. Harvey, Daphne van den Berg, Jacintha Ellers, Remko Kampen, Thomas W. Crowther, Peter Roessingh, Bart Verheggen, Rascha J. M. Nuijten, Eric Post, Stephan Lewandowsky, Ian Stirling, Meena Balgopal, Steven C. Amstrup, and Michael E. Mann.
This is an important new paper by a team of blue-chip authors. It reveals much about modern science, and shows one reason the campaign for policy action to fight climate change has produced so little despite so much invested over the past three decades. It defies standard analysis, so I will take you on a page by page tour. Each page makes a new low! You can draw your own conclusions.
First section of the paper.
The opening repeats scientists’ consensus about global warming, as described in the IPCC’s reports (which I support). But it quickly goes off the rails.
“However, much of the public …believes scientists continue to debate AGW causes or even process …”
People believe that because it is true. The Working Group 1 report in the IPCC’s AR5 (2014) describes the confidence of its conclusions and forecasts. A large fraction of these conclusions are rated “likely” or less, which the IPCC defines as …
“In this Report the following terms have been used to indicate the assessed likelihood of an outcome or a result: Virtually Certain 99–100% probability, Extremely Likely: 95–100%, Very Likely 90–100%, Likely 66–100%, About As Likely As Not 33–66%, Unlikely 0–33% …”
To see the many fundamental issues debated by climate scientists, look at the “Climate Change Statement Review Workshop” Climate held by the American Physical Society (APS) in NYC on 8 January 2014. See this summary by Rupert Darwall and the full transcript.
“A blog is a website that contains regularly updated online personal ideas, comments, and/or hyperlinks provided by the writer (Nisbet and Kotcher 2013).”
With commendable precision, the authors define the term “blog” (although that citation does not appear in the references and Google does not show the quote). But the authors do not define the more important and vaguer terms “denier”, “science denier”, “climate change denier”, and “AGW-denier.” Worse, they use these different terms interchangeably. Peer review should have caught this.
“Indeed, credible estimates suggest that the entire Arctic may be ice-free during summer within several decades (Snape and Forster 2014, Stroeve and Notz 2015, Notz and Stroeve 2017), a process that, as has been suggested by both theoretical and empirical evidence, will drastically reduce polar-bear populations across their range …”
The authors fail to mention previous “credible estimates” that have proven to be false. To mention a few…
2002: “Arctic melting will open new sea passages“, in which Peter Wadhams of the Scott Polar Research Institute in Cambridge says “Within a decade we can expect regular summer trade there.” Not by 2012. Not by 2017.
2007: “Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’.” “Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss. …So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.” Nope.
2008: “NSIDC — Arctic melt passes the point of no return, “We hate to say we told you so, but we did.” But the polar ice minimum extents in 2008 and 2017 were almost identical.
“To characterize how blogs and related online sources frame the topic of AGW, we identified a total of 90 blogs covering climate-change topics that mentioned both polar bears and sea ice.”
This is climate science, so the paper neither identifies the 90 blogs nor the methodology used in this analysis. There is no Supplement with that additional information.
About Susan Crockford and her work.
The next section is the core of the paper, examining her writings about polar bears. The authors misrepresent her qualifications and her analysis. Any competent peer review would have forced revisions.
“Approximately 80% of the denier blogs cited here referred to one particular denier blog, Polar Bear Science, by Susan Crockford, as their primary source of discussion and debate on the status of polar bears. Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. …scientists such as Crockford who are described as “experts” on denier blogs in fact typically have little in the way of relevant expertise, and their expertise is often self-manufactured to serve alternative agendas.”
This is a serious misrepresentation of relevant facts. The authors fail to mention her Ph.D. in zoology (her dissertation mentions polar bear evolution) and her peer-reviewed publications (details here). She is even cited in a paper published in Bioscience. As for relevance, there is a long tradition of scientists leveraging their basic training into other fields. Darwin’s education before joining HMS Beagle gave him little preparation to discover evolution. Stephen Jay Gould — the great paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science — did his empirical research studying snails.
“Crockford vigorously criticizes, without supporting evidence, the findings of several leading researchers who have studied polar bears in the field for decades.”
This is a deliberate lie. Nobody who has read her work can honestly say that. See this post, for example. Also see her major paper, described below. One can question her evidence and logic, but not that she provides much evidence.
“A primary approach of Crockford’s and other denier blogs is to frame uncertainty by focusing on the present and to question the accuracy of future predictions — implying that the rapid loss of Arctic ice recorded over the past 40 years induced by AGW cannot serve as a guide to future conditions.”
The authors give no citation for this claim. I have never seen Crockford say anything remotely like that.
More claims.
“Denier blogs that downplay the threats of AGW to Arctic ice and polar bears rely heavily on arguments that …it is therefore difficult or even impossible to predict what will happen in the future.”
That is part of a long paragraph of unclear meaning. But this claim attributed to “denier blogs” is quite correct. How did this error pass even a cursory peer review? As climate scientist Kevin E. Trenberth said (repeating what so many others have said during the past two decades)…
“In fact there are no predictions by IPCC at all. And there never have been. The IPCC instead proffers ‘what if’ projections of future climate that correspond to certain emissions scenarios. There are a number of assumptions that go into these emissions scenarios. They are intended to cover a range of possible self consistent ‘story lines’ that then provide decision makers with information about which paths might be more desirable. But they do not consider many things like the recovery of the ozone layer, for instance, or observed trends in forcing agents. There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess.”
Given the difficulty of making predictions, the IPCC’s reports describe various scenarios of future events. AR5 uses four Representative Concentration Pathways, scenarios ranging from good to horrific.
There is another page of analysis and claims in this paper, but it is more of the same. The authors conduct a complex — and only sketchily described — classification and analysis of “denier” blogs. Given their gross misrepresentation of Crockford and her work, I see no reason to consider it seriously.
One last oddity: many of the attacks in the paper apply just as well to itself. Reverse the white and black hats in these two claims and they make just as much sense.
“For example, scientific blogs provide context and associated evidence, whereas denier blogs often remove context or misinterpret examples. …Rhetorical devices to evoke fear and other emotions, such as implying that the public is under threat from deceitful scientists, are common tactics employed by science-denier groups.”
My Conclusions
This is absolutely the stupidest paper I have ever seen published https://t.co/jBSiJ1DMlL pic.twitter.com/XnuRZDrsUt
— Judith Curry (@curryja) November 29, 2017
This paper follows the forms of science without its substance. In this respect is resembles pseudoscience more than science.
This paper demonstrates the often discussed institutional failures in modern science. Papers whose claims are easily disproven. Sloppy peer review. Politicization. These are the elements creating the replication crisis, slowly spreading through the science (details here). That would have been a small problem in 1817, but is one we cannot afford in 2017.
Let’s hope that scientists begin institutional reforms as soon as possible. The rot seen in this paper, directed as it is at a major public policy issue, can have ugly repercussions.
Decide for yourself. See her major paper
Crockford documents her theory in “Testing the hypothesis that routine sea ice coverage of 3-5 mkm2 results in a greater than 30% decline in population size of polar bears (Ursus maritimus)”, posted at Peer J Preprints (not peer reviewed) — Abstract…
“The polar bear (Ursus maritimus) was the first species to be classified as threatened with extinction based on predictions of future conditions rather than current status. These predictions were made using expert-opinion forecasts of population declines linked to modeled habitat loss – first by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN)’s Red List in 2006, and then by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) in 2008 under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), based on data collected to 2005 and 2006, respectively.
Both assessments predicted significant population declines of polar bears would result by mid-century as a consequence of summer sea ice extent rapidly reaching 3-5 mkm2 on a regular basis: the IUCN predicted a >30% decline in total population, while the USFWS predicted the global population would decline by 67% (including total extirpation of ten subpopulations within two vulnerable ecoregions).
“Biologists involved in these conservation assessments had to make several critical assumptions about how polar bears might be affected by future habitat loss, since sea ice conditions predicted to occur by 2050 had not occurred prior to 2006. However, summer sea ice declines have been much faster than expected: low ice levels not expected until mid-century (about 3-5 mkm2) have occurred regularly since 2007. Realization of predicted sea ice levels allows the ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ assumption for polar bears to be treated as a testable hypothesis.
“Data collected between 2007 and 2015 reveal that polar bear numbers have not declined as predicted and no subpopulation has been extirpated. Several subpopulations expected to be at high risk of decline remained stable and five showed increases in population size. Another at-risk subpopulation was not counted but showed marked improvement in reproductive parameters and body condition with less summer ice. As a consequence, the hypothesis that repeated summer sea ice levels of below 5 mkm2 will cause significant population declines in polar bears is rejected, a result that indicates the ESA and IUCN judgments to list polar bears as threatened based on future risks of habitat loss were scientifically unfounded and that similar predictions for Arctic seals and walrus may be likewise flawed.
“The lack of a demonstrable ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ relationship for polar bears also potentially invalidates updated survival model outputs that predict catastrophic population declines should the Arctic become ice-free in summer.”
Her paper was ignored, using their role as “gatekeepers” to keep challenges out of the debate. Now they have taken a second step: rebuttal by smears and lies. Let’s respond to this unscientific behavior by scientists: circulate this paper and force them to rationally respond to it.

About the author
Susan Crockford is a zoologist with more than 35 years of experience, including published work on the Holocene history of Arctic animals. She is an adjunct professor at the University of Victoria, British Columbia (a “non-remunerated professional zooarcheologist associate”) and co-owner of a private consulting company, Pacific Identifications Inc. See her publications here and her website Polar Bear Science.
See her book at the end of this post. See this review of her other book by Kip Hansen: “Polar Bear Facts and Myths – A Science Summary for All Ages”. She has also written a novel, Eaten — a polar bear attack thriller.
For More Information
For more information about polar bears, about the keys to understanding climate change and these posts about the politics of climate change…
- Mother Jones sounds the alarm about the warming North Pole — Exploiting the polar bear story for political gain.
- Twenty stories of good news about polar bears!
- Are 30 thousand species going extinct every year?
- Good news about polar bears, thriving as the arctic warms!
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Never mind the ice, the polar bears or The Climate…
What, to my mind, has happened here is an appalling act of School-Playground thuggery and bullying.
That’s all – and invariably the practice of gutless brain-dead wimps and cowards.
On a lone girl as well.
Have these people no shame or self-awareness?
Simply incredible – *and* coming from (supposedly) educated folks.
What *has* gone wrong?
Surely to goodness, they have all now entirely trashed their own careers – how can anything that any of them say from now on be held in any sort of High Regard.
They have entirely Lost The Plot with this one and we have to ask: Did they ever have it?
And Dr Crockford’s reply should surely be to paraphrase Einstein (was it him?) when apparently he said something like:
…….beware the unclosed HTML……
tink i got me arra the wong way wound – shot me own foot innit?
chuckles
J. Curry sums this “Scientific Paper” precisely.
“Crockford vigorously criticizes, without supporting evidence, the findings of several leading researchers who have studied polar bears in the field for decades.”
Hmmmm, could one of those criticized been Steven C. Amstrup.
Back in roughly 2009, I visited the WWF and found a 2001 paper by the Polar Bear Specialist Group. Their Table 1 is reprinted below. They divided the Arctic into twenty regions (the Arctic is not one, monolithic climate region). In most of the regions, the polar bear populations were either stable or unknown. In two regions the populations were increasing and in two others, the populations were decreasing.
The temperatures in those regions were also interesting. Where the populations were stable, the temperatures were also stable. In those two regions where the populations were increasing, the temperatures were also increasing. And in those two regions where the populations were decreasing, the temperatures were also decreasing. It was the exact opposite to what their propaganda was saying.
It’s too bad really. These environmentalists are wasting their efforts on polar bears who aren’t really endangered and ignoring species of bears that are endangered–all for the AGW cause.
Jim

Concerning Susan Crockford, Saulinsky’s Rule 11 applies:
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.”
Whether they do it conciously or not , the leftists/alarmists copy each other and learn from each other; one just has to look at their group-speech.
“Saulinsky” is Saul Alinsky, but Chelsea Clinton’s daughter will not know anymore who he was.
Dave Fair: ‘I guess there is no point in publishing scientific findings if they can’t be used in analysing the science…’
Anybody can analyse scientific findings, but not all analysis is equal. Those who do the hard yards of research and subjecting that research to critique by their peers stand above off-field commentators, however worthy.
Susan Crockford rates as a commentator. She doesn’t have the expertise gained by actual research work in this field.
And what, pray tell, has Susan Crockford published that is incorrect?
She hasn’t published anything in the peer reviewed scientific literature on polar bears.
So Brendan, you couldn’t answer Dave’s reasonable question.
Quit ducking it.
Brendon, your comment is absurd,since she has done FIELD work on several animals,and published papers on various ARCTIC and Sub Arctic animals”
“’ve marked those papers that are especially pertinent to Arctic (**) and Subarctic (*) biology and paleoecology/glacial history [contact me if you would like copies, via the Comments/Tips page]
Zoogeography, paleoecology, archaeozoology and ostemetry papers
**Crockford, S. J. 2012. Annotated map of ancient polar bear remains of the world. Electronic resource, available at http://polarbearscience/references ISBN 978-0-9917966-0-1. https://polarbearscience.com/2012/11/26/ancient-polar-bear-remains-of-the-world/
*Crockford, S.J. 2012. Archaeozoology of Adak Island: 6000 years of subsistence history in the central Aleutians. Pg. 109-145 in D. West, V. Hatfield, E. Wilmerding, L. Gualtieri and C. Lefevre (eds), The People Before: The Geology, Paleoecology and Archaeology of Adak Island, Alaska. British Archaeological Reports International Series, Oxford, pg 109-145. ISBN 978-4073-0905-7
*Nishida, S., West, D., Crockford, S. and Koike, H. 2012. Ancient DNA analysis for the sea otter (Enhydra lutris) from archaeological sites on Adak, Aleutian Islands. Pg. 147-165 in D. West, V. Hatfield, E. Wilmerding, C. Lefèvre, L. Gualtieri (eds.), The People Before: The Geology, Paleoecology and Archaeology of Adak Island, Alaska. Oxford, British Archaeological Reports, International Series 2322, ISBN 978-4073-0905-7.
*Wilson, B.J., Crockford, S.J., Johnson, J.W., Malhi, R.S. and B.M. Kemp. 2011. Genetic and archaeological evidence for a former breeding population of Aleutian Cackling Goose (Branta hutchinsii leucopareia) on Adak Island, central Aleutians, Alaska. Canadian Journal of Zoology 89: 732-743. http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/journal/cjz
**Crockford, S.J. and G. Frederick 2011. Neoglacial sea ice and life history flexibility in ringed and fur seals. pg.65-91 in T. Braje and R. Torrey, eds. Human Impacts on Seals, Sea Lions, and Sea Otters: Integrating Archaeology and Ecology in the Northeast Pacific. U. California Press, LA.
*Baichtal, J.F. and Crockford, S.J. 2011. Possibility of kelp during the LGM in SE Alaska and implications for marine mammals. Poster 5-12, 19th Conference on the Biology of Marine Mammals, Tampa, FL. Nov. 28-Dec.2.
**Crockford, S.J. 2008. Be careful what you ask for: archaeozoological evidence of mid-Holocene climate change in the Bering Sea and implications for the origins of Arctic Thule. Pp. 113-131 in G. Clark, F. Leach and S. O’Connor (eds.), Islands of Inquiry: Colonisation, Seafaring and the Archaeology of Maritime Landscapes. Terra Australis 29 ANU E Press, Canberra. http://epress.anu.edu.au/ta29_citation.html
**Crockford, S. and Frederick, G. 2007. Sea ice expansion in the Bering Sea during the Neoglacial: evidence from archaeozoology. The Holocene 17(6):699-706.
*Crockford, S.J., Frederick, G. & Wigen, R. 2002. The Cape Flattery fur seal: An extinct species of Callorhinus in the eastern north Pacific? Canadian Journal of Archaeology 26(3):152-174. http://www.canadianarchaeology.com/publications.lasso
Martinsson-Wallin, H. & Crockford, S.J. 2001. Early human settlement of Rapa Nui (Easter Island). Asian Perspectives 40(2):244-278. (Includes an analysis of fish remains & a comprehensive list of modern Rapa Nui fishes). http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/asi/
Crockford, S.J. 1997. Archaeological evidence of large northern bluefin tuna, Thunnus thynnus, in coastal waters of British Columbia and northern Washington. Fishery Bulletin 95:11-24. http://fishbull.noaa.gov/
Domestication, speciation and evolution papers
Crockford, S.J. and Kusmin, Y.V. 2012. Comments on Germonpré et al., Journal of Archaeological Science 36, 2009 “Fossil dogs and wolves from Palaeolithic sites in Belgium, the Ukraine and Russia: osteometry, ancient DNA and stable isotopes”, and Germonpré, Lázkičková-Galetová, and Sablin, Journal of Archaeological Science 39, 2012 “Palaeolithic dog skulls at the Gravettian Předmostí site, the Czech Republic.” Journal of Archaeological Science 39:2797-2801. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440312001537
**Crockford, S.J. 2012. Directionality in polar bear hybridization. Comment (May 1) to Hailer et al. 2012. “Nuclear genomic sequences reveal that polar bears are an old and distinct bear lineage.” Science 336:344-347. Follow link and click on “# comments” under the title http://comments.sciencemag.org/content/10.1126/science.1216424
**Crockford, S.J. 2012. Directionality in polar bear hybridization. Comment, with references (May 1) to Edwards et al. 2011. “Ancient hybridization and an Irish origin for the modern polar bear matriline.” Current Biology 21:1251-1258. to view comments, go through the host website, http://www.Cell.com and find the paper at the Current Biology website. http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2900645-2#Comments
Ovodov, N.D., Crockford, S.J., Kuzmin, Y.V., Higham, T.F.G., Hodgins, G.W.L. and van der Plicht, J.. 2011. A 33,000 year old incipient dog from the Altai Mountains of Siberia: Evidence of the earliest domestication disrupted by the Last Glacial Maximum. PLoS One 10.1371/journal.pone.0022821. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0022821
Crockford, S.J. 2009. Evolutionary roots of iodine and thyroid hormones in cell-cell signaling. Integrative and Comparative Biology 49:155-166.
**Crockford, S.J. 2006. Rhythms of Life: Thyroid Hormone and the Origin of Species. Trafford, Victoria [for a general audience, polar bear evolution discussed];
**Crockford, S.J. 2004. Animal Domestication and Vertebrate Speciation: A Paradigm for the Origin of Species. Ph.D. dissertation, University of Victoria (Canada), Interdisciplinary Studies. [filed at the National Library under Zoology; polar bear evolution discussed] Pdf available, just ask.
**Crockford, S.J. 2003. Thyroid rhythm phenotypes and hominid evolution: a new paradigm implicates pulsatile hormone secretion in speciation and adaptation changes. International Journal of Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, Part A Vol. 35 (#1, May issue):105-129. http://www.elsevier.com/ [an invited submission; polar bear evolution discussed]
**Crockford, S.J. 2002. Thyroid hormone in Neandertal evolution: A natural or pathological role? Geographical Review 92(1):73-88. http://www.jstor.org/journals/00167428.html [an invited commentary]
**Crockford, S.J. 2002. Animal domestication and heterochronic speciation: the role of thyroid hormone. pg. 122-153. In: N. Minugh-Purvis & K. McNamara (eds.) Human Evolution Through Developmental Change. Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore. http://www.press.jhu.edu/press/books/index.htm [polar bear evolution discussed].
Crockford, S.J. 2000. Dog evolution: a role for thyroid hormone in domestication changes. pg. 11-20. In: S. Crockford (ed.), Dogs Through Time: An Archaeological Perspective. Archaeopress S889, Oxford. http://www.archaeopress.com/defaultBar.asp
Crockford, S. J. 2000. A commentary on dog evolution: regional variation, breed development and hybridization with wolves. pg. 295-312. In: S. Crockford (ed.), Dogs Through Time: An Archaeological Perspective. Archaeopress S889, Oxford. http://www.archaeopress.com/defaultBar.asp
Northwest Coast dog studies
Crockford, S.J., Moss, M.L., and Baichtal, J.F. 2012. Pre-contact dogs from the Prince of Wales archipelago, Alaska. Alaska Journal of Anthropology 9(1):49-64.
Crockford, S.J., 2005. Breeds of native dogs in North America before the arrival of European dogs. Proceedings of the World Small Animal Veterinary Congress, Mexico City. [invited lecture] available online at: http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2005&PID=11071&O=Generic
Koop, B.F., Burbidge, M., Byun, A., Rink, U, & Crockford, S.J. 2000. Ancient DNA evidence of a separate origin for North American indigenous dogs. pg. 271-285. In: S. Crockford (ed.), Dogs Through Time: An Archaeological Perspective. British Archaeological Reports (B.A.R.), Archaeopress S889, Oxford. http://www.archaeopress.com/defaultBar.asp (collaborative research with Univ. of Victoria (Ben Koop, Biology) & National Science & Engineering Research Council, Canada (NSERC) [first published analysis of ancient dog DNA]
Crockford, S.J. 1997. Osteometry of Makah and Coast Salish Dogs. Archaeology Press, Publication 22, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C. http://www.sfu.ca/archaeology/dept/arcpress/index.htm
[A comprehensive analysis of cranial & postcranial remains of adult dogs from 20 coastal archaeological sites]
Crockford, S.J. & Pye, C.J. 1997. Forensic reconstruction of prehistoric dogs from the Northwest Coast. Canadian Journal of Archaeology 21(2):149-153 [the story of the wool dog/village dog sketches done by RCMP forensic artist CJ Pye] http://www.canadianarchaeology.com/publications.lasso
Seal and sea lion diet studies
Tollit, D.J., Schulze, A., Trites, A.W., Olesiuk, P., Crockford, S.J., Gelatt, T., Ream, R. & Miller, K. 2009. Development and application of DNA techniques for validating and improving pinniped diet estimates based on conventional scat analysis. Ecological Applications 19(4):889-905. [This study compares my bone ID of prey species to DNA analysis] http://www.esajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1890/07-1701.1
Olesiuk, P.F., Bigg, M.A., Ellis, G.M., Crockford, S.J. & Wigen, R.J. 1990. An assessment of the feeding habits of harbour seals (Phoca vitulina) in the Strait of Georgia, British Columbia, based on scat analysis. Canadian Technical Reports on Fisheries & Aquatic Science. 1730.
http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cgi-bin/rp/rp2_tocs_e?cjfas_cjfasS1-98_55
https://polarbearscience.com/about-2/
You claims are stupid.
Sunsettomy: ‘Brendon, your comment is absurd, since she has done FIELD work on several animals, and published papers on various ARCTIC and Sub Arctic animals.’
But not polar bears. That’s the central point.
When I first read this article, the claim that Susan Cockford hadn’t done any original research into polar bears or published in the peer reviewed literature jumped out at me. It looked pretty definitive. But was it true?
The writer of the article provided a link to the Polar Bear Science website, so like you I was able to check the list that you provide in your posting. The polar bear material amounts to a map of ancient bear remains and a couple of comments on bear evolution. Not original research, not published articles, not peer reviewed.
Also on her website, Susan Crockford said that most of what she knows about polar bears she learned through reading the work of others.
Full marks to her for keeping up with the literature. But that’s also the point. It’s other people’s work, not her own. Therefore, she cannot claim the same level of expertise as the people she is cribbing from.
Brendan, you appear ignorant of how scientists actually develop their skills and careers over time. It is not at all unusual for leading researchers to focus on areas subtly or radically different from their original thesis work. After all, how can new original research take place otherwise? (we are talking here about people with a PhD as that is considered the benchmark level for someone to be considered capable of new independent research).
Your standards would also exclude many of the leading lights on the alarmist side of the debate. Thus Michael Mann started in condensed matter physics before moving into more geophysical concerns. Neither of those appear related to the biology and growth rings of trees, but I and others accept that he is capable of learning about such things, should he choose to do so. What matters is the validity of his research, not how much of it he has already done.
This highlights the premise that actually underlies the concept of the PhD: The qualification indicates an ability to perform valid independent scientific research in new areas. Every scientist publishing in a field must always start at zero publications. Susan Crockford’s pre-existing research record is clearly highly relevant to the ecology of Polar bears. You really are barking up the wrong tree by trying to criticise her in this manner.
Imagine the MANIC GATEKEEPER she would face if she tried to publish in a “climate science™” magazine/rag.
It appears that the main reason for the attack on Susan and her website is to keep alive the alarming claim that polar bears are in danger of extinction, and to accomplish this in part, by warning people away from her website.
I have no idea if Susan Crockford believes the world is going to end tomorrow from CO2 induced overheating. She might. But to characterise her in such false and hostile terms will, I hope, create another example of The Streisand Effect. Let everyone read her works!
An aspect of the article not mentioned in the discussion is the implicit desire that the reader should not embark on any independent investigation of the truth, but should instead accept the back-biting and calumniating of these self-appointed gate-keepers. This is not science! This is not politics! This is character assassination by a cabal. Sue the publisher.
It is obvious from the article that The Team is scared witless by Susan’s methodical analysis. The loss of the polar bear as an iconic, overgrown, hairy canary in the mine must be traumatic for the habitually alarmed. My sympathies for them wane as they gracelessly realise defeat is upon them, even as they exhaust themselves punching the cold Arctic air.
http://notrickszone.com/2017/11/30/2-more-new-papers-affirm-there-is-more-arctic-ice-coverage-today-than-during-the-1400s/
2 More New Papers Affirm There Is More Arctic Ice Coverage Today Than During The 1400s
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Cronin and Cronin, 2015
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41063-015-0019-3
“Pliocene Arctic Ocean summer SSTs were appreciably warmer than modern and seasonally sea-ice free conditions existed in some regions. … At Lake El’gygytgyn (Lake ‘‘E’’) in Siberia summer temperatures were 8°C warmer than modern and at Ellesmere Island, Canada, summer and MAT [mean annual temperatures] were 11.8°C and 18.3°C higher than today.”
“[A] seasonally ice-free marginal and central Arctic Ocean was common … regionally during the early Holocene [6,000 to 10,000 years ago]. … Some species thought to be dependent on summer sea ice (e.g., polar bears) survived through these periods.”
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York et al., 2016
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.2030/full
“Subpopulation growth rates and the probability of decline at current harvest levels were determined for 13 subpopulations of polar bears (Ursus maritimus) that are within or shared with Canada based on mark–recapture estimates of population numbers and vital rates, and harvest statistics using population viability analyses (PVA). … Considering both TEK [traditional ecological knowledge] and scientific information, we suggest that the current status of Canadian polar bear subpopulations in 2013 was 12 stable/increasing and one declining (Kane Basin). We do not find support for the perspective that polar bears within or shared with Canada are currently in any sort of climate crisis.”
Kenneth, your error is alway
the same – Arctic sie doesn’t
have to an
unprecedented low
for it to be a problem right
now. it’s melt rate is very high..
it is not normal for earth to
lose all its Arctic ice
in 60-70 yrs
Explain where the problem for polar bears is, crackers345. According to peer-reviewed science, 12 of the 13 subpopulations are stable or increasing.
York et al., 2016
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.2030/full
“Subpopulation growth rates and the probability of decline at current harvest levels were determined for 13 subpopulations of polar bears (Ursus maritimus) that are within or shared with Canada based on mark–recapture estimates of population numbers and vital rates, and harvest statistics using population viability analyses (PVA). … Considering both TEK [traditional ecological knowledge] and scientific information, we suggest that the current status of Canadian polar bear subpopulations in 2013 was 12 stable/increasing and one declining (Kane Basin). We do not find support for the perspective that polar bears within or shared with Canada are currently in any sort of climate crisis.”
Arctic sea ice has not been “all lost”. It has instead undergone a 60-year oscillation, with a similar low during the 1920s-1940s, coinciding with the warmth during that period. Then, from the 1950s to 1980s, Arctic sea ice grew, coinciding with the Arctic-wide cooling that was occurring during that time.
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Arctic-Sea-Ice-Alekseev-2016-as-shown-in-Connolly-2017.jpg
In the Southern Hemisphere, the sea ice extent has been growing since 1979, after declining from the 1950s to 1980s. These trends are not consistent with climate modeling that presupposes that CO2 concentration modulates sea ice extent. It doesn’t.
Most Polar Bears Live In Canada, Where There Has Been No Net Warming For Centuries. So Why Are They Endangered?
http://notrickszone.com/2017/02/16/most-polar-bears-live-in-canada-where-there-has-been-no-net-warming-for-centuries-so-why-are-they-endangered/
Modern Polar Bear Habitat Among Coldest Of The Last 10,000 Years
I think this polar bear should count as two of them.
http://churchillpolarbears.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ADVM-PB6.jpg
Michael Hart: ‘It is not at all unusual for leading researchers to focus on areas subtly or radically different from their original thesis work.’
True, but irrelevant. This is not about people developing and furthering their specialties. It’s about the standard of the work.
Susan Crockford’s work on polar bears has failed to reach the standard required for it to be accepted as authoritative, regardless of the quality or otherwise of her other work.
“Susan Crockford’s work on polar bears has failed to reach the standard required for it to be accepted as authoritative”
BS.!! What a slimy comment…… pure AGW ad hom.
There is NO WAY she would ever be able to get the FACTS through the “climate science™” gatekeepers.
In other circles it most certainly is seem as authoritative… because it is backed by FACTS, which the likes of you cannot dispute… so you SLIME instead.
Brendan,
Amstrup is pissed off because I criticized his work. He and Stirling are not used to being challenged.
He and his colleagues had the opportunity to formally demolish my PeerJ preprint online for all the world to see but they didn’t. That might have drawn attention to the issues I raised. They decided it would be best to ignore me.
Except others who matter (for funding etc) clearly DID read the paper and found merit in my conclusions – that must be true or Amstrup and Stirling would not have concocted this paper. They are trying to demolish me instead of addressing the failed predictions exposed in my paper.
Characterizing a professional, respected scientist as an unqualified vengeful opinion writer is the same kind of power attack as rape. It’s meant to humiliate and intimidate.
But it’s too late. And your rants about me being unqualified and substandard are as groundless as theirs.
Colleagues have read my paper and found it to be fully acceptable as a piece of academic scientific work.
If that were not true, this desperately ridiculous Bioscience paper would never have been published. I have exposed Amstrup’s failure and this is the only way he could think of to stop me: he went to Michael Mann for advice, with predictable results.
This paper says way more about these co-authors than it does about me. Mark my words, it will come back to haunt them.
Susan
susanjcrockford: ‘Amstrup is pissed off because I criticized his work. He and Stirling are not used to being challenged.’
Susan, I cannot speak to your dispute with these scientists, since I know nothing about it. I was simply testing a claim made in the paper, and concluding that it was valid.
Nor can I comment on your anecdotal claims about the quality of a particular paper of yours. And there’s the rub. It’s just your word, which has not been tested in the standard way.
More broadly, there is a solution for climate sceptics on this one: create your own, online journal. There are surely sufficient resources and know-how within the climate sceptic world to do so. And if climate scepticism has the expertise claimed, then we can all see it through a properly validated process.
“create your own, online journal. ”
Brendan you moronic twit !!
WUWT, NoTrick, JoNova..
These get [FAR] more peer review than most “climate science” papers, which are more akin to…..
“does it support AGW, even though total garbage”..
Yes.. ok publish it.
Peer review and “climate science” journals make a [MOCKERY] of themselves because of some of the abject nonsense and total BS that they allow to get published.. ie like this paper.
It should NEVER have even been considered for publication in any real science journal.
It is more akin to a piece of “trash talk” in Rolling Stone, Cosmopolitan or the Guardian or other far-left socialist rag.
The sort of personal attacks and lack of evidence contained in this peer reviewed “paper” is one of the reasons I began questioning CAGW.
“These get AFR more peer review than most “climate science” papers”
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Blogs don’t get any “peer” review.
BS.. Of course they. That is EXACTLY what they do.
EVERYONE gets to comment. and discuss the paper.
Heck even you could comment on any paper, if you had any expertise.
MANY here do have. !!
Many so-called peer-review papers barely get a “spell check” and a brief read-through.
If peer review in climate science journals actually work, ..
….. this atrocious piece of garbage from Mann, Lewindopey etc would NEVER have got published in any science journal in the world.
Stop AndyG55 while you are ahead. Blogs have no peer review. You have no clue what peer review in a scientific journal entails. The sites that you mentioned are a circle jerk of like minded individuals, congregating because of a shared belief system, incapable of dealing with facts they cannot accept.
Remy, then why are you and like minded warmistas allowed on the blogs such as this? Don’t you get to comment?
Stop Remy…. before you make yourself look like even more of a mindless propaganda regurgitating twerp.
Do you REALLY think this obnoxious paper should ever have been published in a journal, anywhere?
Are you really that ANTI-SCIENCE !
Blogs provide massive reviewing of articles.
GET OVER IT !
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Facts Remy??
You have NO FACTS.
The FACT is your behavior proves my point. Labeling a paper “obnoxious” betrays your predisposition. There is no scientific defintion of the term “obnoxious. “
Remy, a true scientist, Dr. Judith Curry, called it “stupid.” “Obnoxious” is an apt corollary.
The fact that you don’t see it as “obnoxious” shows you are NOTHING but a brain-washed AGW suckophant.
Their is no science in the paper,
It is a pack of lies and ad homs, full of unproven propaganda pap.
Do you REALLY think it is should have passed peer-review?
Your answer, if you dare to give it, will be enlightening to everyone.
(You need to back off on the personal attacks angle as it wrong and weakens your argument) MOD
Dave Fair: “Dr. Judith Curry, called it “stupid.” “Obnoxious”
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Opinions are acceptable in blogs, but they have no value in actual science. Curry’s labeling the paper as such form nothing more than mere “opinion.”
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Her “opinion” has no bearing on the actual science. My opinion and your opinion has no scientific value either.
David, are you saying the paper is science, not opinion?
Are you saying a scientist’s pithy observation about another’s paper is somehow less worthy than the baseless, personal denigrations contained in the paper?
Are you saying that some scientists and some papers are not stupid?
“you are NOTHING but a brain-washed AGW suckophant.”
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Thank you Andy, I like it when you resort to calling me names. Do you have anything else to offer?
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I’m surprised the folks running this blog don’t reprimand you for such juvenile behavior.
Remy, look at AndyG55’s post where he says : “BS.. Of course they. That is EXACTLY what they do.”
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See?…..He thinks that calling people names in the comments of a blog is “peer review
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(Stay on the topic,leave out the sniping attacks) MOD
“Do you DENY you are brain-washed.”
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What a dumb question.
Some serious self analysis, needed then Remy……. just “believe”.. that’ll work 😉
It is again noted you are incapable of answering the main question…
“Do you REALLY think this obnoxious paper should ever have been published in a journal, anywhere?
@David
“My opinion and your opinion has no scientific value either.”
Yes, I agree, your opinion is totally meaningless.
Maybe you should look at the paper, and see what a slimy piece of anti-science it really is.
Dumb questions deserve no answer AndyG55.
Seems remy is a mindless troll with a massive yellow streak,
Unable to answer a simple question on his own..
So Sad.. so PATHETIC.
” remy is a mindless troll with a massive yellow streak,”
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Andy, when and if you are able to rise above the ad-hom name calling and slurs, we can continue the discussion.
Remy, peer review journals are not the only place to post science research. They do it in mails,phone/fax,seminars and postal mail and yes even in science blogs too.
You show your ignorance every day when you think it is only done through a journal.
David, Dr. Curry read that awful paper,which was designed as a personal attack on Dr. Crockford.
She is stating that PAPER is stupid,which I also agree since it is NOT a credible research level paper. It is an attack paper,with obvious lies and omissions in it. It is NOT a science based paper at all!
Poor remy-child is now whimpering because he is backed into a corner.
He referred to us as a “circle-jerk” earlier, and now is crying about getting a bit back.
PATHETIC. !!!
Answer the question , (SNIPPED) MOD
No Sunsettommy, you cannot do “peer review” in a blog. You and Andy have no clue how science is done.
Remy, how is peer review defined? One of the “Team” members said he would redefine peer review to exclude opinions with which he disagreed. What is that peer review as he defined it?
How does getting journal editors fired comport with any definition of peer review you might describe?
How does the review conducted by pals (stacking the panels) meet your peer review definition?
Are you aware of the widespread scientific misconduct at the highest levels of climate science revealed by Climategate? If so, should anyone believe any of the miscreants involved? Should they have received professional condemnation instead of institutional whitewashes? Do you continue to believe their “science?”
Do you believe in the peer review that gave us Mann’s Hockey Stick? Do you believe in the fundamental honesty of “scientists” that went along with that abomination for so many years? Do you believe we should trust “scientists” that accepted the abolition of the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age by a Doctoral student?
And so on ………
Give me open forums where people, including scientists, are free to explore different ideas publicly. I don’t put up with people who go along to get along. Consensus adherents have nothing to say to me; validate IPCC climate models and we might have something to talk about.
Wow, this Remy makes clear he is NOT a scientist and has no experience with science research.
You really think scientists don’t pass some of their research around OUTSIDE of journals?
Think again……..,
“Remy, peer review journals are not the only place to post science research. They do it in mails,phone/fax,seminars and postal mail and yes even in science blogs too.”
Remy, AndyG55 is or was a scientist, you sure you want to tell him he can’t bypass peer review to pass on research to other science researchers?
Pat Frank, a scientists tried several times to publish a paper in several journals,much better paper than the one that is an attack on Dr. Crockford,he eventually found a place to post his paper,by passing the hypocritical gate keepers and their overrated journals. Do you know where he posted it,that attracted a few scientists on it?
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Sunset: do you read many peer reviewed journals papers?
If you do, you’d know that blogs in no way compare to them.
Sorry, but that’s truth.
But it is a fact that WUWT gets massive numbers of inputs from a wide variety of commentors having differing levels of expertise in many relevant disciplines, crackers345. Narrow, hidden peer (pal) review by gatekeepers pales in comparison.
Climategate revealed the malfeasance of high-level climate crooks. Should I now believe anything they say, or the “peer review” of their pals? Juries are told that if someone lies once, everything else they say is invalidated. Do you agree with that?
The fact that the quality of the comments varies in no way invalidates the scientific worth of WUWT as a whole. Open contention drives science forward; “consensus” retards science. Additionally, without the work of Anthony Watts we would still be in the dark about the unsuitability of U.S. weather stations.
You seem to have a problem with the constant erosion of the “consensus” as presented throughout WUWT articles and comments. Sniping and obfuscation doesn’t change the underlying facts.
If you can provide a scientific validation of the IPCC climate models, you might have a case. Where are the validations, please? I ask because the entire CAGW edifice leans on the results of unvalidated models and the unbridled speculation about the environmental impacts of any future modeled scenarios.
Dave Fair – i see more
personal attacks on this
page — on the comments in this
very post — than i’ve ever
seen in a scientific
paper.
(You avoid answering many good questions posed by others,your complaint run hollow) MOD
Crackers writes,
“Sunset: do you read many peer reviewed journals papers?
If you do, you’d know that blogs in no way compare to them.
Sorry, but that’s truth.”
Do you think at all when you read comments posted by others?
If you did, you would know that I never made any comparison between blogs and journals.
What I was pointing out was that there are other ways to post research than in journals. You make the same ignorant comment that Brendan makes,since you have no idea what really goes on behind the scenes.
If you only knew how Milankovitch gained confidence in his first paper he published,you would know that it was because of original unpublished research given to him by postal mail. It greatly supported his paper.
If you only know why Dr. Imbrie could post that big paper in 1976 with confidence,you would know that he got the needed data and confirmation from a seminar he had attended.based on unpublished research from someone else.
I used to be a member of an exclusive hidden Yahoo group forum board with many scientists,who would debate,exchange some research information with each other. Some of the discussion was based on unpublished material that would be used by someone else.
If you would ever consider the possibility that “peer reviewed” journals have made many mistakes in publishing junk papers, you would have learned this from a BLOG called Retraction Watch……
Heck this very paper under discussion doesn’t even meet the “peer review” criteria in their attack on Dr. Crockford since most of them have ZERO Zoology training and experience, in their error filled attack on her.
You are a narrow minded thinker.
Brendan,
You have been told that she is a trained/educated ZOOLOGIST,which means she is qualified to talk about Polar Bears.
Here is the Abstract she wrote that is posted in the blog article:
“Crockford documents her theory in “Testing the hypothesis that routine sea ice coverage of 3-5 mkm2 results in a greater than 30% decline in population size of polar bears (Ursus maritimus)”, posted at Peer J Preprints (not peer reviewed) — Abstract…
“The polar bear (Ursus maritimus) was the first species to be classified as threatened with extinction based on predictions of future conditions rather than current status. These predictions were made using expert-opinion forecasts of population declines linked to modeled habitat loss – first by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN)’s Red List in 2006, and then by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) in 2008 under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), based on data collected to 2005 and 2006, respectively.
Both assessments predicted significant population declines of polar bears would result by mid-century as a consequence of summer sea ice extent rapidly reaching 3-5 mkm2 on a regular basis: the IUCN predicted a >30% decline in total population, while the USFWS predicted the global population would decline by 67% (including total extirpation of ten subpopulations within two vulnerable ecoregions).
“Biologists involved in these conservation assessments had to make several critical assumptions about how polar bears might be affected by future habitat loss, since sea ice conditions predicted to occur by 2050 had not occurred prior to 2006. However, summer sea ice declines have been much faster than expected: low ice levels not expected until mid-century (about 3-5 mkm2) have occurred regularly since 2007. Realization of predicted sea ice levels allows the ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ assumption for polar bears to be treated as a testable hypothesis.
“Data collected between 2007 and 2015 reveal that polar bear numbers have not declined as predicted and no subpopulation has been extirpated. Several subpopulations expected to be at high risk of decline remained stable and five showed increases in population size. Another at-risk subpopulation was not counted but showed marked improvement in reproductive parameters and body condition with less summer ice. As a consequence, the hypothesis that repeated summer sea ice levels of below 5 mkm2 will cause significant population declines in polar bears is rejected, a result that indicates the ESA and IUCN judgments to list polar bears as threatened based on future risks of habitat loss were scientifically unfounded and that similar predictions for Arctic seals and walrus may be likewise flawed.
“The lack of a demonstrable ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ relationship for polar bears also potentially invalidates updated survival model outputs that predict catastrophic population declines should the Arctic become ice-free in summer.”
She tested a hypothesis,that appears to be unsupported by evidence she points in the paper. That is what science research is all about,Testing the veracity of a hypothesis to see if it is robust enough for further consideration.
Her detractors seem to prefer attacking her background instead of the paper,which in my mind is an admission that they have no effective counterpoint to offer. Their unethical behavior should be exposed for ridicule,since they should know better as scientists.
Brendan, why don’t you review her actual work yourself? https://polarbearscience.com/ It would seem a prudent exercise to read her books/articles before opining as to her “fitness” as a scientist.
Until you tell us that you made that minimum effort, none of your comments have any weight.
I don’t have degrees in economics and finance, but made many profitable decisions based on principles contained in those disciplines.
Dave: ‘Brendan, why don’t you review her actual work yourself?’
Thank you for the suggestion and the link, Dave.
The first item at the end of the link is headed: ‘Bioscience article is academic rape: an assertion of power and intimidation’. Not very sciencey, but I plough on to find a photo of a man holding polar bear cubs. OK, the item is about polar bears, so I guess it’s relevant.
There are then links to a couple of articles (one an attack on Michael Mann), followed by Susan’s defence of her style of communication, then a link to an abstract of the paper she believes has sparked a backlash from the climate establishment. (I note that the paper is not peer reviewed and only the abstract seems to be available.)
So there’s a bit of reading to get through to make sense of just this one blog posting.
This brief experience raises the limitations of blogs as a scientific medium: lots of heat, point-scoring, chatty asides, links to other material, but not a lot of science in sight.
OK, I’ve looked at only one blog posting. Perhaps there’s more enlightenment in other postings.
Brendan,
Dr. Crockford’s two main points in many of her writings appear to be this:
1. Polar bear populations have not been declining, but have instead been stable/increasing in recent decades.
2. The premise that polar bear populations are susceptible to decline via the mechanism of a loss of sea ice extent is not supported by the evidence.
Both of these points find support in the peer-reviewed scientific literature (Cronin and Cronin, 2015; York et al., 2016).
So which conclusion do you disagree with, since Dr. Crockford’s positions find support in peer-reviewed journals? And why do you think it is that polar bears were able to survive the Early Holocene, when the Arctic was several degrees C warmer than now, and the Arctic was seasonally ice-free?
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Cronin and Cronin, 2015
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41063-015-0019-3
“Pliocene Arctic Ocean summer SSTs were appreciably warmer than modern and seasonally sea-ice free conditions existed in some regions. … At Lake El’gygytgyn (Lake ‘‘E’’) in Siberia summer temperatures were 8°C warmer than modern and at Ellesmere Island, Canada, summer and MAT [mean annual temperatures] were 11.8°C and 18.3°C higher than today.”
“[A] seasonally ice-free marginal and central Arctic Ocean was common … regionally during the early Holocene [6,000 to 10,000 years ago]. … Some species thought to be dependent on summer sea ice (e.g., polar bears) survived through these periods.”
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York et al., 2016
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.2030/full
“Subpopulation growth rates and the probability of decline at current harvest levels were determined for 13 subpopulations of polar bears (Ursus maritimus) that are within or shared with Canada based on mark–recapture estimates of population numbers and vital rates, and harvest statistics using population viability analyses (PVA). … Considering both TEK [traditional ecological knowledge] and scientific information, we suggest that the current status of Canadian polar bear subpopulations in 2013 was 12 stable/increasing and one declining (Kane Basin). We do not find support for the perspective that polar bears within or shared with Canada are currently in any sort of climate crisis.”
Your second article is not a summary of scientific evidence. It is a summary of traditional Indigenous knowledge.
Science does not support the proposition that polar bears will be unaffected by climate change. It supports the notion that there is a >70% chance that the global polar bear population will decline by >30% over the next 35 years.
Science also supports the notion that some populations of polar bears will be affected sooner and more drastically than others. In particular, the Canadian Arctic Archipelago is likely to benefit from global warming over the short term as thick multi-year ice is turned into more productive annual ice that supports greater seal populations. However, as that ice begins to disappear so will the polar bears. The ice is their habitat. Habitat loss –> reduction/loss of populations.
In addition, polar bears were intensely overharvested until the 1970s. Some populations are still recovering. So what you will see in some areas is a reduction in carrying capacity that does not result in lower populations because current populations are still reduced and are lower than the carrying capacity because of past overharvesting. As the carrying capacity gets lower and lower because of loss of sea ice, this will result in extirpation.
This is something I would expect an intro ecology student or even a high school student to understand… Is it too complicated for you?
Bobo:
Bobo, science is about empirical observation, not predictions about what may happen to polar bear populations 35 years from now based on suppositions about their inability to survive with less sea ice.
According to observational evidence, polar bear populations have not been declining in recent decades. Of 13 subpopulations, 12 are stable or growing. That’s what the peer-reviewed science says.
So why are you dismissing the observations (that have been similarly reported by Dr. Crockford) that do not support the suppositions that polar bears are endangered, and instead you just repeat the prognostications for 35 years from now…and call these prophesies “science”?
As well-established in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, the Arctic was sea-ice-free and several degrees warmer than now just a few thousand years ago. Polar bears survived during these periods. There is some evidence that polar bears were in existence during the Pliocene. The Arctic was 12 to 18 degrees C warmer than now during that time. Somehow, polar bears survived.
Furthermore, your own word-choice concoction “polar bears will be unaffected by climate change” is a straw man. The entire biosphere is affected by climate changes at least to some unspecified degree. On the other hand, most polar bears live in Canada, and there is extensive evidence that shows modern temperatures are colder now than they have been for most of the last 10,000 years.
http://notrickszone.com/2017/02/16/most-polar-bears-live-in-canada-where-there-has-been-no-net-warming-for-centuries-so-why-are-they-endangered/
Modern Polar Bear Habitat Among Coldest Of The Last 10,000 Years
Furthermore, Arctic sea ice extent is still much greater than it was even 1,000 and 2,000 years ago, or during the Medieval and Roman Warm Periods. And yet polar bears didn’t die out then either. Can you explain why, Bobo?
http://notrickszone.com/2017/11/30/2-more-new-papers-affirm-there-is-more-arctic-ice-coverage-today-than-during-the-1400s/
2 More New Papers Affirm There Is More Arctic Ice Coverage Today Than During The 1400s
Brendan, you fail to note in your cherry-picked references from Dr. Crockford that those were rebuttals to vicious attacks in the Bioscience article and by Michael Mann, climate fraud.
What about all of her scientific work? Why don’t you list those? Wouldn’t a balanced review of her qualifications include her scholarly work?
How does her defending herself from personal and professional attacks by CAGW hacks? Are you unaware of the dodgy personal and scientific histories of Mann (especially) and Trenberth?
Given that you appear to be a Troll, and an ineffective one at that, I’m done with trying to converse with you.
To my knowledge, she has published precisely zero peer-reviewed studies on the subject of the effects of climate change on polar bears.
Anyone can write whatever they wish on a blog or in a book that they self-publish. It is easy when you self-publish to cherry pick, misrepresent, etc. Let’s see her get something through peer review in a reputable venue, and then we’ll talk. (Protip: anything on Beall’s list or another similar pay-to-publish venue with zero standards doesn’t count.)
Bobo and Brendan, continue to embarrass themselves with their strident dishonest comments over Dr. Crockford.
They ignore her PHD in ZOOLOGY,they ignore her many papers on various animals in the arctic,sub arctic,they make absurd comments saying she has no expertise on Polar Bears because she didn’t camp out in the arctic watching them,despite that she is a ZOOLOGIST and has read many published science papers on the bears.
Then Bobo tries to downplay the published science papers that Kenneth posted that supports Dr. Crockford, while Bobo doesn’t try any counterpoint against Dr. Crockford’s print paper in the blog post, neither did any of the 14 Authors of the stupid attack paper.
Dishonest they are!
From the blog post:
The LIE,
“Crockford vigorously criticizes, without supporting evidence, the findings of several leading researchers who have studied polar bears in the field for decades.”
The Omissions,the misrepresentations of her work,
“Approximately 80% of the denier blogs cited here referred to one particular denier blog, Polar Bear Science, by Susan Crockford, as their primary source of discussion and debate on the status of polar bears. Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. …scientists such as Crockford who are described as “experts” on denier blogs in fact typically have little in the way of relevant expertise, and their expertise is often self-manufactured to serve alternative agendas.”
How did you miss the obvious personal attack on her?
Meanwhile what is “peer review”?
“Scholarly peer review (also known as refereeing) is the process of subjecting an author’s scholarly work, research, or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field, before a paper describing this work is published in a journal, conference proceedings or as a book.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholarly_peer_review
Lets take a good look at the 14 authors of the stupid attack paper, to see if they are qualified to comment on Dr. Crockford’s research and her papers,books.
Did ANY of them address her science papers with a counter paper or show that her print paper is wrong?
This despite that many of them are ECOLOGISTS,they somehow couldn’t come up with a counter paper to dispute any of her published research at all.
Nope instead they LIED,omitted her education and list of published papers from their attack paper on her. They say she didn’t publish a paper on Polar Bears, therefore she isn’t qualified to talk about them,which is amazing when her PHD dissertation was on Polar Bears and that she is a trained ZOOLOGIST.
What is Zoologist?
“Zoology is the study of animals and their behavior. Zoologists may study a particular species or group of species, either in the wild or in captivity.
Zoologists study animals and their interactions with ecosystems. They study their physical characteristics, diets, behaviors, and the impacts humans have on them. They study all kinds of animals, both in their natural habitats and in captivity in zoos and aquariums. They may specialize in studying a particular animal or animal group.
Zoologists may be involved in a wide variety of duties in various environments. For example they may observe and study animals in their natural environments, or plan and conduct experiments involving animals in nature, in zoos, or in other controlled areas. They may also collect biological specimens and measure physical characteristics. These studies are generally aimed at investigating animal behavior, migration, interactions with other species, and reproduction, as well as the pests, diseases, toxins, and habitat changes that affect them. They use the information they gather to monitor and estimate populations, address invasive species and other threats, control disease, manage hunting programs, and develop conservation plans. They also write reports and journal articles and give presentations to share their findings.”
https://www.environmentalscience.org/career/zoologist
Polar Bears falls under the heading of Zoology.
Why do you people ignore the obvious personal attack on her,of their using a bogus argument that defies rational thinking?
LOL Sunsettommy: “and has read many published science papers on the bears.”
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That doesn’t make her an expert. I’ll bet you read a lot of climate papers, but that doesn’t make you a climate expert.
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Please post a link to one of her peer reviewed journal research papers about polar bears.
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Thank you in advance.
Another brainless comment that ignores so much:
“Robert Kernodle
December 3, 2017 at 5:07 pm Edit
LOL Sunsettommy: “and has read many published science papers on the bears.”
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That doesn’t make her an expert. I’ll bet you read a lot of climate papers, but that doesn’t make you a climate expert.
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Please post a link to one of her peer reviewed journal research papers about polar bears.
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Thank you in advance.”
You too dumb to understand this?
“Nope instead they LIED,omitted her education and list of published papers from their attack paper on her. They say she didn’t publish a paper on Polar Bears, therefore she isn’t qualified to talk about them,which is amazing when her PHD dissertation was on Polar Bears and that she is a trained ZOOLOGIST.
What is Zoologist?
“Zoology is the study of animals and their behavior. Zoologists may study a particular species or group of species, either in the wild or in captivity.
Zoologists study animals and their interactions with ecosystems. They study their physical characteristics, diets, behaviors, and the impacts humans have on them. They study all kinds of animals, both in their natural habitats and in captivity in zoos and aquariums. They may specialize in studying a particular animal or animal group.
Zoologists may be involved in a wide variety of duties in various environments. For example they may observe and study animals in their natural environments, or plan and conduct experiments involving animals in nature, in zoos, or in other controlled areas. They may also collect biological specimens and measure physical characteristics. These studies are generally aimed at investigating animal behavior, migration, interactions with other species, and reproduction, as well as the pests, diseases, toxins, and habitat changes that affect them. They use the information they gather to monitor and estimate populations, address invasive species and other threats, control disease, manage hunting programs, and develop conservation plans. They also write reports and journal articles and give presentations to share their findings.”
She is a ZOOLOGIST,with a PHD dissertation on Polar Bear evolution. She has the education and experience to read papers on Animals,as you should know Polar Bears are indeed animal and lives in the Arctic/sub arctic regions, the very region where Dr. Crockford has spend many years studying in.
Have you looked at her published papers,bobby?
She has researched Walrus,several types of Seals,Dogs,Otter,Goose,Tuna and more.
Her PHD dissertation:
Crockford, S.J. 2004. Animal Domestication and Vertebrate Speciation: A Paradigm for the Origin of Species. Ph.D. dissertation, University of Victoria (Canada), Interdisciplinary Studies. [filed at the National Library under Zoology; polar bear evolution discussed] Pdf available, just ask.
Her list here:
https://polarbearscience.com/about-2/
Don’t continue make a fool of yourself Robert,since you can’t keep ignoring her obvious expertise in studying many kinds of animals,which is what a ZOOLOGIST does.
Her dissertation is not about polar bears.
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Now, please follow your link to her blog, and find ONE paper she wrote that was published in a peer reviewed journal about polar bears
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Please prove to all of us that “Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. ”
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ONE
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Just one, thank you.
Bobby, continues to ignore a few things:
1)Crockford, S.J. 2004. Animal Domestication and Vertebrate Speciation: A Paradigm for the Origin of Species. Ph.D. dissertation, University of Victoria (Canada), Interdisciplinary Studies. [filed at the National Library under Zoology; polar bear evolution discussed] Pdf available, just ask.
2)What is Zoologist?
“Zoology is the study of animals and their behavior. Zoologists may study a particular species or group of species, either in the wild or in captivity.
Zoologists study animals and their interactions with ecosystems. They study their physical characteristics, diets, behaviors, and the impacts humans have on them. They study all kinds of animals, both in their natural habitats and in captivity in zoos and aquariums. They may specialize in studying a particular animal or animal group.
Zoologists may be involved in a wide variety of duties in various environments. For example they may observe and study animals in their natural environments, or plan and conduct experiments involving animals in nature, in zoos, or in other controlled areas. They may also collect biological specimens and measure physical characteristics. These studies are generally aimed at investigating animal behavior, migration, interactions with other species, and reproduction, as well as the pests, diseases, toxins, and habitat changes that affect them. They use the information they gather to monitor and estimate populations, address invasive species and other threats, control disease, manage hunting programs, and develop conservation plans. They also write reports and journal articles and give presentations to share their findings.”
https://www.environmentalscience.org/career/zoologist
3) Like Ian Stirling, grand-daddy of all polar bear biologists, I earned my undergraduate degree in zoology at the University of British Columbia. Polar bear evolution is one of my professional interests, which I discuss in my 2006 book, Rhythms of Life: Thyroid Hormone and the Origin of Species (based on my Ph.D. dissertation earned in 2004 at the University of Victoria, B.C. Canada), see http://www.rhythmsoflife.ca.
4) On being a polar bear expert, among other things
https://polarbearscience.com/2015/03/12/on-being-a-polar-bear-expert-among-other-things/
You are now deep into stupid territory since you keep ignoring her education,her PHD dissertation and her 35 years of experience in studying many kinds of animals.
All Zoologists have the education and training expertise to be able to read published science on ANY animals,including Polar Bears.
Making posts “disappear” just because WUWT can’t handle the truth?
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Too funny!!!
WTF, Robert?
“Making posts “disappear” just because WUWT can’t handle the truth?
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Too funny!!!”
(He was trolling for trouble) MOD
What is amazing is that we have three people Brendan,Bobo and now Robert, who thinks not publishing a “peer reviewed” paper on Polar Bears, completely invalidate anything she says about Polar Bears, despite having the education (PHD,Zoology) the Field and desk experience (35 years) the published papers on many kinds of Arctic,sub arctic animals,the very region Polar Bears live in.
Yet she is completely unqualified to discuss Polar Bears, so says these warmist armchair scientists.
Pathetic.
Meanwhile these three funny guys and the other 14 still can’t address her paper:
Crockford documents her theory in “Testing the hypothesis that routine sea ice coverage of 3-5 mkm2 results in a greater than 30% decline in population size of polar bears (Ursus maritimus)”, posted at Peer J Preprints (not peer reviewed) — Abstract…
“The polar bear (Ursus maritimus) was the first species to be classified as threatened with extinction based on predictions of future conditions rather than current status. These predictions were made using expert-opinion forecasts of population declines linked to modeled habitat loss – first by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN)’s Red List in 2006, and then by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) in 2008 under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), based on data collected to 2005 and 2006, respectively.
Both assessments predicted significant population declines of polar bears would result by mid-century as a consequence of summer sea ice extent rapidly reaching 3-5 mkm2 on a regular basis: the IUCN predicted a >30% decline in total population, while the USFWS predicted the global population would decline by 67% (including total extirpation of ten subpopulations within two vulnerable ecoregions).
“Biologists involved in these conservation assessments had to make several critical assumptions about how polar bears might be affected by future habitat loss, since sea ice conditions predicted to occur by 2050 had not occurred prior to 2006. However, summer sea ice declines have been much faster than expected: low ice levels not expected until mid-century (about 3-5 mkm2) have occurred regularly since 2007. Realization of predicted sea ice levels allows the ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ assumption for polar bears to be treated as a testable hypothesis.
“Data collected between 2007 and 2015 reveal that polar bear numbers have not declined as predicted and no subpopulation has been extirpated. Several subpopulations expected to be at high risk of decline remained stable and five showed increases in population size. Another at-risk subpopulation was not counted but showed marked improvement in reproductive parameters and body condition with less summer ice. As a consequence, the hypothesis that repeated summer sea ice levels of below 5 mkm2 will cause significant population declines in polar bears is rejected, a result that indicates the ESA and IUCN judgments to list polar bears as threatened based on future risks of habitat loss were scientifically unfounded and that similar predictions for Arctic seals and walrus may be likewise flawed.
“The lack of a demonstrable ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ relationship for polar bears also potentially invalidates updated survival model outputs that predict catastrophic population declines should the Arctic become ice-free in summer.”
Why can’t you address it?
“Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. ”
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To prove this assertion false requires ONE research paper, or article published in the literature.
Brainless Bob, never notice that I have never disputed it. Never said she posted a paper on Polar Bears.
He is trying to make it appear that I am fighting it,when I never did. What I keep pointing out that Dr. Crockford has the education and experience to talk about Polar Bears.
He writes,
““Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. ”
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To prove this assertion false requires ONE research paper, or article published in the literature.”
Meanwhile you continue to ignore the lies,omissions and her education they made against her.
Like I say, you are truly ignorant and stupid.
Sunsettommy writes: ” you are truly ignorant and stupid.”
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I guess that means I win the argument, because you’ve devolved into ad-homs.
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Just ONE Tommy, just one research paper about polar bears.
Robert, you seem to be a One Trick Pony.
The more you belabor the point, the more ridiculous you appear. Aware people move on.
I just wrote this you IDIOT!
“Brainless Bob, never notice that I have never disputed it. Never said she posted a paper on Polar Bears.
He is trying to make it appear that I am fighting it,when I never did. What I keep pointing out that Dr. Crockford has the education and experience to talk about Polar Bears.”
You are trolling now,since I never disputed this quote, YOU keep bringing up:
“Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. ”
You going to continue your B.S?
Bobby also missed this too,where I write:
“What is amazing is that we have three people Brendan,Bobo and now Robert, who thinks not publishing a “peer reviewed” paper on Polar Bears, completely invalidate anything she says about Polar Bears, despite having the education (PHD,Zoology) the Field and desk experience (35 years) the published papers on many kinds of Arctic,sub arctic animals,the very region Polar Bears live in.
Yet she is completely unqualified to discuss Polar Bears, so says these warmist armchair scientists.
Pathetic.”
again I never said she published a paper on Polar Bears, or disputed this quote the three stooges keep bringing up:
“Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears.”
Yet you kept asking me over and over anyway. even AFTER I said this to you,
“Brainless Bob, never notice that I have never disputed it. Never said she posted a paper on Polar Bears.
He is trying to make it appear that I am fighting it,when I never did. What I keep pointing out that Dr. Crockford has the education and experience to talk about Polar Bears.”
you came right back once again,with this deliberate B.S.
“Just ONE Tommy, just one research paper about polar bears.”
That is why I started calling you stupid.
You are a troll.
As well as smearing Dr Crockford, there are other aspects of the paper that are of note. Take this claim.
Doran and Zimmerman 2009 asked two questions
“Significant” is not synonymous with “most“.
Cook et. al 2013 looked at the endorsement of AGW theory, not the estimates of how much warming was due to AGW. Any proper peer reviewer (someone with knowledge of the literature) should have picked up on this.
Proper scientists should have referred to the estimates from the data. This from AR5 WG1 Ch10 Page 869
If there was empirical evidence to support the belief that most of the warming since the Industrial Revolution is from human activities, the IPCC would have presented it. So the authors misrepresented nonsense opinion surveys instead.
For further details, and for links to check for yourselves, see my post here.
Sunsettomy: ‘Yet she is completely unqualified to discuss Polar Bears, so says these warmist armchair scientists.’
Never said that. She can discuss polar bears all she likes, and is probably more qualified to do so than most people, including me.
But that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is that she is less qualified than the people who have actually done the first-hand research.
This should not be a difficult concept to grasp. And no amount of chest-thumping will change this reality.
The other thing that should concern climate sceptics is the apparently heavy reliance on one, second-hand authority for their information about this subject. That’s a very thin evidence base.
Dr. Crockford pointed out the MODEL developed by the “team” failed.
And yet the people who have actually done first-hand research have reached the same conclusions that she has:
1. Polar bear populations have not been declining, but have instead been stable/increasing in recent decades. (Of 13 subpopulations that have been followed, 12 were stable or increasing and just one was declining [York et al., 2016]).
2. The premise that polar bear populations are susceptible to decline via the mechanism of a loss of sea ice extent is not supported by the evidence — especially paleoclimate evidence.
Currently, even with the decline in recent decades (that matched the oscillatory decline in the 1920s-1940s before growing in the 1950s to 1980s), Arctic sea ice extent is significantly higher than it’s been for most of the last 10,000 years. And despite SIE being much lower in the past than now, polar bears survived these low SIE periods. For millennia.
Since Dr. Crockford’s positions find support in peer-reviewed journals, what is it, specifically, that you disagree with about her work?
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Cronin and Cronin, 2015
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41063-015-0019-3
“Pliocene Arctic Ocean summer SSTs were appreciably warmer than modern and seasonally sea-ice free conditions existed in some regions. … At Lake El’gygytgyn (Lake ‘‘E’’) in Siberia summer temperatures were 8°C warmer than modern and at Ellesmere Island, Canada, summer and MAT [mean annual temperatures] were 11.8°C and 18.3°C higher than today.”
“[A] seasonally ice-free marginal and central Arctic Ocean was common … regionally during the early Holocene [6,000 to 10,000 years ago]. … Some species thought to be dependent on summer sea ice (e.g., polar bears) survived through these periods.”
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York et al., 2016
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.2030/full
“Subpopulation growth rates and the probability of decline at current harvest levels were determined for 13 subpopulations of polar bears (Ursus maritimus) that are within or shared with Canada based on mark–recapture estimates of population numbers and vital rates, and harvest statistics using population viability analyses (PVA). … Considering both TEK [traditional ecological knowledge] and scientific information, we suggest that the current status of Canadian polar bear subpopulations in 2013 was 12 stable/increasing and one declining (Kane Basin). We do not find support for the perspective that polar bears within or shared with Canada are currently in any sort of climate crisis.”
Kenneth_richard: ‘Polar bear populations have not been declining, but have instead been stable/increasing in recent decades. (Of 13 subpopulations that have been followed, 12 were stable or increasing and just one was declining [York et al., 2016]).’
This conclusion is at odds with this summary (https://polarbearsinternational.org/climate-change/status/), which identifies 19 polar bear populations globally, of which three are in decline, one rising, six stable and nine for which there isn’t enough data.
The relevant point here is that warnings about polar bear populations are about projected future decline, so current numbers are only part of the story.
Similarly with paleo studies. They do not necessarily translate one to one to today’s situation or the projected future, which may involve other factors such as human pressure that wasn’t present in past millennia.
And this highlights a common defect of contrary thinking – not just within climate science. The picking and choosing of selected points and ignoring the balance of evidence across the board.
I see. So real-world observational evidence doesn’t count…because it doesn’t support the contention that polar bear populations are declining. It’s modeling and predictions for the future that count. Because they can’t be shown to be wrong yet…so they’re right, and thus they’re the “consensus”.
Put another way, warnings and predictions about what might possibly maybe perhaps happen decades from now are “climate science”. Real-world observations and empirical evidence regarding what has happened to polar bear populations are not “the relevant point here”.
You do realize, Brendan, that the reason why it is assumed polar bears will soon meet their demise is because their hunting grounds have been compromised by thinning sea ice.
So what is the reason why polar bears survived during much warmer Arctic periods during the Medieval and Roman Warm Periods, when sea ice was far thinner and less extensive than today? Can you answer this question?
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Arctic-Sea-Ice-Extent-North-of-Iceland-3000-Years-Moffa-S%C3%A1nchez-and-Hall-2017.jpg
According to the blog link you provided, humans cause sea ice loss…and this kills polar bears.
“Without action on climate change, scientists predict we could lose wild polar bears by 2100.
Two-thirds could be gone by 2050. And sea ice loss from human activity is the cause.“
Interestingly, in a paper published in the peer-reviewed journal Polar Record, the native peoples who have watched polar bear behaviors for centuries have noticed (a) polar bear numbers are currently growing, and (b) polar bears can hunt seal just fine with thin (or no) ice. These conclusions are strikingly similar to what Dr. Crockford has written. So is it your contention that the Inuit are wrong, and the scientists who predict the demise of polar bears because of human-caused thinning ice are right? Assuming this is indeed your contention, why do you side with prognosticating academics rather than native communities who have been observing polar bear behaviors for generations?
Wong et al., 2017
http://www.pamelabywong.com/uploads/2/5/3/6/25363453/wong_et_al_2017.pdf
Strong and transparent relationships between polar bear researchers and Inuit communities are necessary to overcome persisting research (and community) misconceptions. For community members, most types of research have been viewed as inseparable from government agendas through funding and consulting programmes (Bocking 2007) and past histories and power relations have politicised views of scientific research as a whole (Reed and McIlveen 2006). … All [Inuit] participants reported having more bear encounters in recent years than in the past. Some participants indicated that the bears they have encountered are healthy.
Inuit observations:
Last year he said that there’s more bears that are more fat … they rarely see unhealthy bears … the only time they would see one is when it’s pretty old … it won’t hunt—hunt as much … and it’s skinny. (AB9) … Our elders, they say, they migrate, into other area… for years, and then they come back … that’s what we’re experiencing now … back in early 80s, and mid 90s, there were hardly any bears … there’s too many polar bears now. (AR16) … Bears can catch seals even—even if the—if the ice is really thin … they’re great hunters those bears … they’re really smart … they know how to survive …
Have already asked Brendan and his two fellow dishonest supporters about this,that they have completely avoided:
“Meanwhile these three funny guys and the other 14 still can’t address her paper:
Crockford documents her theory in “Testing the hypothesis that routine sea ice coverage of 3-5 mkm2 results in a greater than 30% decline in population size of polar bears (Ursus maritimus)”, posted at Peer J Preprints (not peer reviewed) — Abstract…
“The polar bear (Ursus maritimus) was the first species to be classified as threatened with extinction based on predictions of future conditions rather than current status. These predictions were made using expert-opinion forecasts of population declines linked to modeled habitat loss – first by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN)’s Red List in 2006, and then by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) in 2008 under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), based on data collected to 2005 and 2006, respectively.
Both assessments predicted significant population declines of polar bears would result by mid-century as a consequence of summer sea ice extent rapidly reaching 3-5 mkm2 on a regular basis: the IUCN predicted a >30% decline in total population, while the USFWS predicted the global population would decline by 67% (including total extirpation of ten subpopulations within two vulnerable ecoregions).
“Biologists involved in these conservation assessments had to make several critical assumptions about how polar bears might be affected by future habitat loss, since sea ice conditions predicted to occur by 2050 had not occurred prior to 2006. However, summer sea ice declines have been much faster than expected: low ice levels not expected until mid-century (about 3-5 mkm2) have occurred regularly since 2007. Realization of predicted sea ice levels allows the ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ assumption for polar bears to be treated as a testable hypothesis.
“Data collected between 2007 and 2015 reveal that polar bear numbers have not declined as predicted and no subpopulation has been extirpated. Several subpopulations expected to be at high risk of decline remained stable and five showed increases in population size. Another at-risk subpopulation was not counted but showed marked improvement in reproductive parameters and body condition with less summer ice. As a consequence, the hypothesis that repeated summer sea ice levels of below 5 mkm2 will cause significant population declines in polar bears is rejected, a result that indicates the ESA and IUCN judgments to list polar bears as threatened based on future risks of habitat loss were scientifically unfounded and that similar predictions for Arctic seals and walrus may be likewise flawed.
“The lack of a demonstrable ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ relationship for polar bears also potentially invalidates updated survival model outputs that predict catastrophic population declines should the Arctic become ice-free in summer.”
Why can’t you address it?”
They avoid her research in detail completely,since their goal is to smash her down with bogus arguments,which is why her research goes unanswered.
Snicker……………….
I remain puzzled why neither side in this debate acknowledges the fact that the CO2/warming link upon which all of the climate change hysteria is based (as is much non-hysterical climate science) has NO HARD-DATA-BASED STUDIES supporting the concept. The purported link is therefore entirely theoretical, which is unforgivable in responsible science. In science, all theories and hypotheses MUST be tested by hard data, and if those data fail to support the concept, it MUST be altered or rejected. So far, this process has only been undertaken three times in regard to the CO2/warming link, to my knowledge. The first was by atmospheric physicist Knut Angstrom in 1900. His results, which were negative, were enough to remove greenhouse warming from all consideration by the climate science community for 38 years until a British climate hobbyist (!) revived the concept with a series of persuasive magazine articles. The second and third were conducted independently by Peter Ward and myself this year and in 1974, respectively, and both were also decidedly negative.
It’s no wonder, then, that the “warmists” are so aggressive! Fundamentally, they must know they literally haven’t got a leg to stand on, and so they go on the offensive to push their agendum. This, alone, should be sufficient indication that there’s something seriously wrong with their position. Isn’t it about time that we called them on this most blatant Achilles heel of their “unassailable” science?
Tyndall 1859
JOURNAL ARTICLE
The Bakerian Lecture: On the Absorption and Radiation of Heat by Gases and Vapours, and on the Physical Connexion of Radiation, Absorption, and Conduction, John Tyndall
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London
Vol. 151 (1861), pp. 1-36
I’m not talking about ABSORPTION by CO2. Tyndall and many others have proven that abundantly. I,m talking about whether or not CO2 can cause global warming, i.e., the CO2/warming link. That has not been proven.
Let me expand a bit on this. What needs to be proven is that Earth’s IR absorbed by atmospheric CO2 can back-radiate heat to Earth’s surface and have it absorbed by that surface to cause global warming. If the lines of the spectrum of CO2 are sufficiently broadened to form a continuous Planck distribution, the most intense line is at 14.95 microns, which corresponds to a Wien temperature of -80 degrees C, i.e., well below any temperature experienced at Earth’s surface except for occasional cold snaps at the South Pole. Is it any surprise, therefore, that no physical evidence of warming from this source has ever been found? Cold objects can’t transfer heat to warmer ones.
also, Philipona+ GRL 2004: https://is.gd/ePKTwX, Feldman+ Nature 2015: http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2015/02/25/co2-greenhouse-effect-increase/
I’m quite familiar with the Feldman paper. It doesn’t prove the link, it infers it on theoretical grounds. Next?
“This is a serious misrepresentation of relevant facts. The authors fail to mention her Ph.D. in zoology (her dissertation mentions polar bear evolution) and her peer-reviewed publications (details here). She is even cited in a paper published in Bioscience.”
Larry:
I must point out that the Crockford you think is Susan in the “paper published in Bioscince” is, err, not.
It is a certain N Crockford….
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Nicola_Crockford?pubType=article
And to boot, it has nothing to do with Polar Bears.
It must have passed unnoticed by Susan, as she has participated on this thread.