An ugly new paper shows why the climate policy debate is broken

By Larry Kummer. From the Fabius Maximus website.

Summary: An important (but fatally flawed) new peer-reviewed paper about climate change reveals much about climate science, the public policy debate, and the role of science institutions in America. Here is a quick look at it and its lessons for us.

Do remember you are there to fuddle him. From the way some of you young fiends talk, anyone would suppose it was our job to teach!

Your affectionate uncle,

– Screwtape {From C. S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters}.

Postcards from the frontier of science

Internet Blogs, Polar Bears, and Climate-Change Denial by Proxy

Posted yesterday in Bioscience (an Oxford Academic journal).

By Jeffrey A. Harvey, Daphne van den Berg, Jacintha Ellers, Remko Kampen, Thomas W. Crowther, Peter Roessingh, Bart Verheggen, Rascha J. M. Nuijten, Eric Post, Stephan Lewandowsky, Ian Stirling, Meena Balgopal, Steven C. Amstrup, and Michael E. Mann.

This is an important new paper by a team of blue-chip authors. It reveals much about modern science, and shows one reason the campaign for policy action to fight climate change has produced so little despite so much invested over the past three decades. It defies standard analysis, so I will take you on a page by page tour. Each page makes a new low! You can draw your own conclusions.

First section of the paper.

The opening repeats scientists’ consensus about global warming, as described in the IPCC’s reports (which I support). But it quickly goes off the rails.

“However, much of the public …believes scientists continue to debate AGW causes or even process …”

People believe that because it is true. The Working Group 1 report in the IPCC’s AR5 (2014) describes the confidence of its conclusions and forecasts. A large fraction of these conclusions are rated “likely” or less, which the IPCC defines as …

“In this Report the following terms have been used to indicate the assessed likelihood of an outcome or a result: Virtually Certain 99–100% probability, Extremely Likely: 95–100%, Very Likely 90–100%, Likely 66–100%, About As Likely As Not 33–66%, Unlikely 0–33% …”

To see the many fundamental issues debated by climate scientists, look at the “Climate Change Statement Review Workshop” Climate held by the American Physical Society (APS) in NYC on 8 January 2014. See this summary by Rupert Darwall and the full transcript.

“A blog is a website that contains regularly updated online personal ideas, comments, and/or hyperlinks provided by the writer (Nisbet and Kotcher 2013).”

With commendable precision, the authors define the term “blog” (although that citation does not appear in the references and Google does not show the quote). But the authors do not define the more important and vaguer terms “denier”, “science denier”, “climate change denier”, and “AGW-denier.” Worse, they use these different terms interchangeably. Peer review should have caught this.

“Indeed, credible estimates suggest that the entire Arctic may be ice-free during summer within several decades (Snape and Forster 2014, Stroeve and Notz 2015, Notz and Stroeve 2017), a process that, as has been suggested by both theoretical and empirical evidence, will drastically reduce polar-bear populations across their range …”

The authors fail to mention previous “credible estimates” that have proven to be false. To mention a few…

2002: “Arctic melting will open new sea passages“, in which Peter Wadhams of the Scott Polar Research Institute in Cambridge says “Within a decade we can expect regular summer trade there.” Not by 2012. Not by 2017.

2007: “Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’.” “Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss. …So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.” Nope.

2008: “NSIDC — Arctic melt passes the point of no return, “We hate to say we told you so, but we did.” But the polar ice minimum extents in 2008 and 2017 were almost identical.

“To characterize how blogs and related online sources frame the topic of AGW, we identified a total of 90 blogs covering climate-change topics that mentioned both polar bears and sea ice.”

This is climate science, so the paper neither identifies the 90 blogs nor the methodology used in this analysis. There is no Supplement with that additional information.

About Susan Crockford and her work.

The next section is the core of the paper, examining her writings about polar bears. The authors misrepresent her qualifications and her analysis. Any competent peer review would have forced revisions.

“Approximately 80% of the denier blogs cited here referred to one particular denier blog, Polar Bear Science, by Susan Crockford, as their primary source of discussion and debate on the status of polar bears. Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. …scientists such as Crockford who are described as “experts” on denier blogs in fact typically have little in the way of relevant expertise, and their expertise is often self-manufactured to serve alternative agendas.”

This is a serious misrepresentation of relevant facts. The authors fail to mention her Ph.D. in zoology (her dissertation mentions polar bear evolution) and her peer-reviewed publications (details here). She is even cited in a paper published in Bioscience. As for relevance, there is a long tradition of scientists leveraging their basic training into other fields. Darwin’s education before joining HMS Beagle gave him little preparation to discover evolution. Stephen Jay Gould — the great paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science — did his empirical research studying snails.

“Crockford vigorously criticizes, without supporting evidence, the findings of several leading researchers who have studied polar bears in the field for decades.”

This is a deliberate lie. Nobody who has read her work can honestly say that. See this post, for example. Also see her major paper, described below. One can question her evidence and logic, but not that she provides much evidence.

“A primary approach of Crockford’s and other denier blogs is to frame uncertainty by focusing on the present and to question the accuracy of future predictions — implying that the rapid loss of Arctic ice recorded over the past 40 years induced by AGW cannot serve as a guide to future conditions.”

The authors give no citation for this claim. I have never seen Crockford say anything remotely like that.

More claims.

“Denier blogs that downplay the threats of AGW to Arctic ice and polar bears rely heavily on arguments that …it is therefore difficult or even impossible to predict what will happen in the future.”

That is part of a long paragraph of unclear meaning. But this claim attributed to “denier blogs” is quite correct. How did this error pass even a cursory peer review? As climate scientist Kevin E. Trenberth said (repeating what so many others have said during the past two decades)…

“In fact there are no predictions by IPCC at all. And there never have been. The IPCC instead proffers ‘what if’ projections of future climate that correspond to certain emissions scenarios. There are a number of assumptions that go into these emissions scenarios. They are intended to cover a range of possible self consistent ‘story lines’ that then provide decision makers with information about which paths might be more desirable. But they do not consider many things like the recovery of the ozone layer, for instance, or observed trends in forcing agents. There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess.”

Given the difficulty of making predictions, the IPCC’s reports describe various scenarios of future events. AR5 uses four Representative Concentration Pathways, scenarios ranging from good to horrific.

There is another page of analysis and claims in this paper, but it is more of the same. The authors conduct a complex — and only sketchily described — classification and analysis of “denier” blogs. Given their gross misrepresentation of Crockford and her work, I see no reason to consider it seriously.

One last oddity: many of the attacks in the paper apply just as well to itself. Reverse the white and black hats in these two claims and they make just as much sense.

“For example, scientific blogs provide context and associated evidence, whereas denier blogs often remove context or misinterpret examples. …Rhetorical devices to evoke fear and other emotions, such as implying that the public is under threat from deceitful scientists, are common tactics employed by science-denier groups.”

My Conclusions

This paper follows the forms of science without its substance. In this respect is resembles pseudoscience more than science.

This paper demonstrates the often discussed institutional failures in modern science. Papers whose claims are easily disproven. Sloppy peer review. Politicization. These are the elements creating the replication crisis, slowly spreading through the science (details here). That would have been a small problem in 1817, but is one we cannot afford in 2017.

Let’s hope that scientists begin institutional reforms as soon as possible. The rot seen in this paper, directed as it is at a major public policy issue, can have ugly repercussions.

Polar Bear on small ice flow

 

Decide for yourself. See her major paper

Crockford documents her theory in “Testing the hypothesis that routine sea ice coverage of 3-5 mkm2 results in a greater than 30% decline in population size of polar bears (Ursus maritimus)”, posted at Peer J Preprints (not peer reviewed) — Abstract…

“The polar bear (Ursus maritimus) was the first species to be classified as threatened with extinction based on predictions of future conditions rather than current status. These predictions were made using expert-opinion forecasts of population declines linked to modeled habitat loss – first by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN)’s Red List in 2006, and then by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) in 2008 under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), based on data collected to 2005 and 2006, respectively.

Both assessments predicted significant population declines of polar bears would result by mid-century as a consequence of summer sea ice extent rapidly reaching 3-5 mkm2 on a regular basis: the IUCN predicted a >30% decline in total population, while the USFWS predicted the global population would decline by 67% (including total extirpation of ten subpopulations within two vulnerable ecoregions).

“Biologists involved in these conservation assessments had to make several critical assumptions about how polar bears might be affected by future habitat loss, since sea ice conditions predicted to occur by 2050 had not occurred prior to 2006. However, summer sea ice declines have been much faster than expected: low ice levels not expected until mid-century (about 3-5 mkm2) have occurred regularly since 2007. Realization of predicted sea ice levels allows the ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ assumption for polar bears to be treated as a testable hypothesis.

“Data collected between 2007 and 2015 reveal that polar bear numbers have not declined as predicted and no subpopulation has been extirpated. Several subpopulations expected to be at high risk of decline remained stable and five showed increases in population size. Another at-risk subpopulation was not counted but showed marked improvement in reproductive parameters and body condition with less summer ice. As a consequence, the hypothesis that repeated summer sea ice levels of below 5 mkm2 will cause significant population declines in polar bears is rejected, a result that indicates the ESA and IUCN judgments to list polar bears as threatened based on future risks of habitat loss were scientifically unfounded and that similar predictions for Arctic seals and walrus may be likewise flawed.

“The lack of a demonstrable ‘rapid sea ice decline = population decline’ relationship for polar bears also potentially invalidates updated survival model outputs that predict catastrophic population declines should the Arctic become ice-free in summer.”

Her paper was ignored, using their role as “gatekeepers” to keep challenges out of the debate. Now they have taken a second step: rebuttal by smears and lies. Let’s respond to this unscientific behavior by scientists: circulate this paper and force them to rationally respond to it.

Polar Bears: Outstanding Survivors of Climate Change
Available at Amazon.

About the author

Susan Crockford is a zoologist with more than 35 years of experience, including published work on the Holocene history of Arctic animals. She is an adjunct professor at the University of Victoria, British Columbia (a “non-remunerated professional zooarcheologist associate”) and co-owner of a private consulting company, Pacific Identifications Inc. See her publications here and her website Polar Bear Science.

See her book at the end of this post. See this review of her other book by Kip Hansen: “Polar Bear Facts and Myths – A Science Summary for All Ages”. She has also written a novel, Eaten — a polar bear attack thriller.

For More Information

For more information about polar bears, about the keys to understanding climate change and these posts about the politics of climate change…

  1. Mother Jones sounds the alarm about the warming North Pole — Exploiting the polar bear story for political gain.
  2. Twenty stories of good news about polar bears!
  3. Are 30 thousand species going extinct every year?
  4. Good news about polar bears, thriving as the arctic warms!
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November 30, 2017 9:14 am

It almost makes me wish I believed in Heaven and Hell because these pathetic people would surely be headed for the latter.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  David Johnson
November 30, 2017 9:28 am

Scientists in Hell are doomed to spend eternity performing complex statistical correlations on mountains of stochastic input data and always finding that r² is so close to zero that it renders any conclusions invalid. Wait a minute…

Bob boder
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 30, 2017 10:46 am

With really bad global warming!

Fred Brohn
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 30, 2017 1:00 pm

I think, “Approved but not funded” on all their grant proposals would do quite well.

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 30, 2017 4:46 pm

Apparently, the atmosphere in Hell is high in CO2.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 30, 2017 7:40 pm

jorgekafkazar:

I prefer to think that they’ll end up in research limbo where every day dawns with researchers facing the exact same problems and starting at the same place.

Surrounded by piles of papers filled with smeared terrible handwriting that includes many cross-outs and drops of gummy ink. Containing numbers that do not add or cross foot correctly and lack the metadata to properly identify the number.

Burdened by a must submit by end of day totally blank grant application. Without any functional printers, only white crayons for writing/graphs, with postage stamps that lack glue.

Where all of the candy/coffee/tea/snack machines are broken and full of flour moths.
Where the nearest shops or restaurants are dozens of miles away and the only transportation are rusty single speed huge tire bicycles that are low on air.

Besides that all of the shops/restaurants are exact change cash only.

May they serve in research limbo forever.

Alan D McIntire
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
December 1, 2017 5:37 am

I’m reminded of “Infernoland”, a fantasy/science fiction story by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It was a science/science fiction oriented version of “Dante’s Inferno”. In “Infernoland”, bureaucrats sent to hell have to fill out 10 copies of every form they fill out- for replacement pitchforks, or whatever. The 10 copies of the form are filled out with the requisitioner’s own blood.

Barbara
Reply to  David Johnson
November 30, 2017 1:13 pm

White House Archives, Nov.29, 2015, Paris

Announcing: ‘Mission Innovation’

Summary which includes photo.

Re: climate change

More information at this website

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/29/announcing-mission-innovation

‘Mission Innovation’ organization. Global organization.

“Accelerating the Clean Energy Revolution”

More information at: http://www.mission-innovation.net

Also check U.S. Department of Energy for information online on this topic.

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
November 30, 2017 3:13 pm

U.S. DOE

‘What is Mission Innovation?’

Re: Climate change and other related issues such as funding for ‘Mission Innovation’

Webpage has a video on ‘Mission Innovation’

https://energy.gov/what-mission-innovation

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
November 30, 2017 4:26 pm

White House Archives, Feb.6, 2016

‘FACT SHEET: President’s Budget Proposal to Advance Mission Innovation’

Scroll down to:

DOE, about 80 percent of government-wide Mission Innovation supports DOE research, development and demonstration activities across the spectrum of clean energy technologies.

Includes amounts proposed in the budget.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/06/fact-sheet-presidents-budget-proposal-advance-mission-innovation

Louis Hooffstetter
Reply to  Barbara
November 30, 2017 4:56 pm

So what did US taxpayers get for the 6.4 to 12.8 BILLION dollars spent on ‘Mission Innovation’? Did it go toward funding:

Syrian rebels (a.k.a. Isis)?
Hillary 2016?
Antifa?
Perhaps a Hawaiian estate for former President Obama?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Barbara
Reply to  Barbara
November 30, 2017 7:10 pm

Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI), Japan

“Mission Innovation’ meeting June 1-2, 2016, San Francisco, CA

Attended by some 20 countries.

Re: DOE Secretary Moniz.

At:
http://www.meti.go.jp/english/press/2016/0603_05.html

CC Reader
Reply to  David Johnson
November 30, 2017 3:59 pm

All that is necessary to explain this paper is to see that M. Mann is a coauthor.

Earthling2
November 30, 2017 9:15 am

For posterity, I would rather be known for being a skeptic, than an alarmist. Glad I discovered WUWT!

HotScot
Reply to  Earthling2
November 30, 2017 11:12 am

Earthling2

Seconded. At least we retain self respect and dignity.

Sheri
Reply to  HotScot
November 30, 2017 3:39 pm

Believers of CAGW think they too have self-respect and dignity. They just define it differently than you do. Self-respect and dignity, to them, is going along with the most popular group out there. If it changes 180 degrees tomorrow, so be it. They still love themselves—a lot.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  HotScot
December 1, 2017 7:30 am

+1 Sheri.
Remains me of all the good people that flock to the crowd of those who would had resisted dictatorship back in the 40s. While, obviously, flocking to the crowd people were precisely those who eagerly raised their arms, then, and just as eagerly stop to do it when the tides turned.

jorgekafkazar
November 30, 2017 9:17 am

The paper is dreck, based on its content. Not a surprise, though, once you recognize some of the authors.

Latitude
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 30, 2017 10:39 am

I start laughing at this line….

“However, there is a wide gap between this broad scientific consensus and public opinion. Internet blogs have strongly contributed to this consensus gap”

Their “broad scientific consensus” is what created the internet blogs…….LOL

Andrew Cooke
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 12:14 pm

That line caused me to laugh as well. They place a strong contribution for the gap on internet blogs? Really? Hah. I didn’t even know this blog existed until around 2010. I was first exposed to the CAGW junk in 1995. I knew the minute I first heard about it that the solutions would be conveniently advantageous for those who despised freedom, free markets and individualism.

These blogs don’t drive my revulsion of the CAGW meme and its various perpetrators, its the perpetrators themselves and their ignorant “solutions” that drive my revulsion.

If I believed that CAGW was real I would embrace the ONLY viable solution, which is a complete conversion to nuclear fission power. Then you could easily convert to electric only transportation. Push it world-wide and it would work. Base load power, no emissions, every civilization brought to first world status and quickly reducing CO2. Access to power would increase education and wealth and cause a drastic drop in birth rate. I would push a forward looking, optimistic worldview, with an emphasis on free markets and decentralization of governments. Children would be celebrated, humanity would begin its leap forward and we could finally move past the horrors of the 20th century which still haunt our world. Upward, onward, moving into a bright new future.

But nope, their vision is Malthusian. Humans are evil. Cockroaches of the world. Limit power. Use inefficient solar and wind, which is difficult to maintain, expensive, and uses rare earth materials. Life sucks, free markets suck, individualism must be reigned in and controlled. All power must be centralized into the hands of an elite few who know better than everyone else (how convenient). It is just more of the madness of the 20th century – same evil, different paint.

This isn’t science – it never was science – it is politics and power.

lee
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 5:07 pm

And the funding from Climate Change (AGW) hasn’t allowed them the opportunity to outdo any success of the sceptic blogs. Their Climate Communication skills are lacking. 😉

JohnKnight
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 7:17 pm

Andrew,

“They place a strong contribution for the gap on internet blogs? Really? Hah. I didn’t even know this blog existed until around 2010.”

I used sites like this one as sources for useful quotes, stats, graphs, and so on, for use on other sites that were not focused on climate . . and it seemed like a significant number of other people were doing likewise.

Most (like me) were opposing the whole globalist/control freak gambit, though this climate stuff was seen as a critical battle and was probably the most fought over single aspect of the wider “war”. So I suspect these guys are right about a relatively few blogs having made a strong contribution, even if not because a great many people were actually frequenting them.

Raven
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 7:34 pm

But since their “broad scientific consensus” has been thoroughly debunked, the actual level probably lines up with “public opinion” reasonably well.

crackers345
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 7:35 pm

JohnKnight commented – “Most (like me) were opposing the whole globalist/control freak gambit”

which has absolutely nothing
to do with how molecules
behave in planetary atmospheres.

you’re a
perfect example — those who
do not accept the science do so
for ideological reasons, not for
scientific reasons.

crackers345
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 7:37 pm

Raven commented – “But since their “broad scientific consensus” has been thoroughly debunked”

debunked by whom?
when?
where can i read this
research?

JohnKnight
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 8:01 pm

Why would a globalism drive necessarily lack a pseudo-science based global crisis component, crackers? I can understand thinking it might have been a remarkable coincidence, but not assuming that it was . . And no, I feel no obligation whatsoever to take your ostensible certainty about that “negative” seriously, but thanks for the demonstration of your . . fervor ; )

AndyG55
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 8:01 pm

Seriously crackpot.. you are getting passed the PATHETIC stage.

Haven’t you bothered doing any basic research of your own……. ever.?

Are you INCAPABLE ????

…… or just totally BLINKERED and NAIVE.

AndyG55
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 8:03 pm

“those who
do not accept the science ”

You have yet to produce one single bit of this so-called science.

And when data and real science is put in front of you.. you reject it.

You haven’t the vaguest clue about any of ‘the science”

You are an empty vassal.

crackers345
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 8:40 pm

AndyG55 commented – “You have yet to produce one single bit of this so-called science.”

if by now you have not spent an
hour or three investigating the evidence
for AGW,
nothing I can write
here & now will appease you.

but it’s been here all along:

http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/

Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 9:04 pm

I see that crackers refers to the IPCC report as his science basis. Well you shouldn’t have a problem with their FAILED Per Decade warming trend projection then:

2007 IPCC report,

“For the next two decades, a warming of about 0.2°C per decade is projected for a range of SRES emission scenarios. Even if the concentrations of all greenhouse gases and aerosols had been kept constant at year 2000 levels, a further warming of about 0.1°C per decade would be expected.”

A .30C per decade rate,which is the same as in 1990 only this time it is not less than .30C per decade anymore

UAH shows about .11C per decade warming rate,from 2001:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah6/from:2001/mean:12/plot/uah6/from:2001/trend

From 1990

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah6/from:1979/mean:12/plot/uah6/from:1979/trend

About .165C per decade.

Epic Fail!

The AGW conjecture has failed this test.

crackers345
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 9:37 pm

Sunset, those do not add to 0.3 C/dec.

pleases read more
carefully

AndyG55
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 9:56 pm

IPCC is not a science body.

The report is a political based summary, often not representative of the actual science

Several real scientists that were contributors, quit the IPCC because of their maleficence.

Where you SO IGNORANT that you didn’t know that ?

ZERO EVIDENCE

Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 9:59 pm

Read this again crackers:

“For the next two decades, a warming of about 0.2°C per decade is projected for a range of SRES emission scenarios. Even if the concentrations of all greenhouse gases and aerosols had been kept constant at year 2000 levels, a further warming of about 0.1°C per decade would be expected”

what does .20 + .10 add up to _________?

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Latitude
December 1, 2017 11:04 am

Crackers:
**debunked by whom?
when?
where can i read this
research?**
It has been debunked by a lack of evidence. in other words when you get no response to a question – there is no science.
I have two questions to demonstrate the no response:
1. Show me ONE study which MEASURES the amount f temperature increase due to CO2.
2. Show me the engineering quality study which determined that warming in excess of 2 Deg C will cause runaway warming.
Neither Griff nor anyone else has answered.
Yes, I get this response when |I ask for evidence – “i follow the science”.
However, at the U of Winnipeg on Wednesday, nobody showed any science. we heard the same old “Winnipeg will have Texas temperatures bu 2080” from the eco group.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Latitude
December 1, 2017 11:08 am

Crackers;
The IPCC is not a scientific organization. The sheep are still quoting them. The IPCC has changed their wording to “projection” from “prediction”, but it is still the same junk. The statement for policymakers is done before the “science” is done, so then the science part is changed to match the politics. Answer my two questions above, then I will listen.

Reply to  Latitude
December 1, 2017 12:12 pm

Income gap//achievement gap … buzzwords and phrases that get attention. Using term “Consensus gap” isn’t going to get this idiots what they want. But it may move us the public towards a better understanding of “integrity gap”.

“However, there is a wideNING gap between our scientific INTEGRITY and the public opinion. Internet blogs have strongly contributed toward CALLING ATTENTION TO THIS INTEGRITY gap”

crackers345
Reply to  Latitude
December 2, 2017 8:31 pm

Gerald Machnee commented –
“It has been debunked by a lack of evidence.”

see the ipcc 5ar.

crackers345
Reply to  Latitude
December 2, 2017 8:34 pm

Gerald M commented –
“1. Show me ONE study which MEASURES the amount f temperature increase due to CO2.”

ipcc 5ar; Feldman+ Nature 2015: https://is.gd/vIWMxr; Matthews+ Nature 2009 doi:10.1038/nature08047

“2. Show me the engineering quality study which determined that warming in excess of 2 Deg C will cause runaway warming.”

i don’t know of
anyone who thinks
agw will cause runaway
warming. that hardly means
it isn’t serious.

Dave Fair
Reply to  crackers345
December 3, 2017 7:50 pm

Your web reference, crackers345, does not calculate temperatures in relation to CO2 forcings at the surface only, not in the atmosphere. It gives its estimates of changes in CO2 forcings only, no temperature estimates.

Berkeley Lab found an increase of 0.2 W/m^2 per decade: dF = 0.2 W/m^2/decade. [Their period chosen was 2000 to 2010, beginning on a La Nina and ending on an El Nino, for what its worth.]

Changes in temperature are given by: dT = lambda*dF, or dT = 0.2*lambda

Taking others’ figures at face value:

1) At a climate sensitivity of 1 degree C for each doubling of CO2, lambda = 0.27 C/(W/m^2)
Therefore, the change in temperature would be: dT = 0.2*0.27 = 0.054 C/decade.

2) At a climate sensitivity of 2 C for each doubling of CO2, lambda = 0.45 C/(W/m^2) [It could be up to 0.54 C/(W/m^2). I don’t know.]
Therefore, the change in temperature would be: dT = 0.2*0.45 = 0.09 C/decade

Is our surface temperature measurement systems capable of detecting a change of less than one tenth of a degree C over a decadal period? Fifty-four hundredths of a degree C?

Leonard Lane
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
November 30, 2017 10:49 am

Jorgeafkazar. I agree, the paper is useless and is based on feelings and deceit, not science. But then, most papers I see that have a dozen or more authors are usually junk.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Leonard Lane
November 30, 2017 10:58 pm

True, Leonard. Climatology is not the only field that is in trouble, and more authors means more people counting on everyone else to get it right. IQ is not additive; stupidity is.

November 30, 2017 9:21 am

The paper is basically just an attack on Dr Crockford.. Lewandowsky (and Cook) did exactly the same against Prof Ian Plimer (and Anthony Watts) in their Alice in Wonderland paper.. yes it really has that title https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-016-1198-6

Hugs
Reply to  Barry Woods
November 30, 2017 10:59 am

And I say the attack is there to be quoted all around. These people are just evil.

HotScot
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:21 am

Hugs

These people are desperate. Why else would anyone write something that can be so comprehensively dissected and condemned with empirical data. They risk their reputations, as every scientist does on publication, the bedrock of scientific credibility. So, I suspect, desperation can be their only motivation.

I wouldn’t understand the paper even if I read it but when it’s so easily ripped apart on a public blog, which suggests no fear of retribution, it must be really bad.

Wrusssr
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:27 am

Add liars and deceivers.

Sheri
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 3:44 pm

HotScot: I no longer see “risk their reputations” as a viable outcome. Science is so corrupt right now that the only people vilified are those that do real science and upset the consensus crowd. Reputation is based on consensus, not accurate science.

Hugs
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:14 pm

HotScot,

I’m not buying the desperate part. This is a personal attack against a scientist, and in my opinion, it is also unethical. Because of that, I assume both the editor and peer reviewers (Oreskes, by any chance ? – Can’t know!) are colluded to do this. It is a statement, not a scientific paper.

They don’t care if it is ripped apart in a blog. They could be concerned if they were forced to rectract due to excessive errors and bad ethics. It is published in a scientific paper with good enough reputation to be quoted in The Daily Kos, Wikipedia, The Guardian and the other media used by the people of the Cause. That is its purpose. It is just a soundbite to smear Susan Crockford, and the ‘deniers’ they fail to define in their paper.

Even IF the paper were retracted, I assume much of the damage would have been done, since this acts as a warning for any scientist to disagree with the authors of the paper on any subject related to poster children of the climate change. They don’t care if you are a real denier, they’ll make you one and make sure you will have problems with your career.

It happened with Pielke, Lomborg, Curry, Christy. That this attack is so vicious is further fueled by the fact that Crockford is actually not part of the gang doing fieldwork, i.e. she’s not taking the hit of decreasing funding. It is further fueled by the close relations between her blog and this blog. Anybody who associates with the WUWT is an enemy of Michael E Mann, and these people really think this is about trench warfare where you throw projectiles at your enemy. The paper should not be considered to be science at all.

The more I think about this, the more I think the scientific community should try to stop this kind of behaviour in no uncertain terms.

Uncle Gus
Reply to  Hugs
December 1, 2017 11:01 am

HotScot:

They are NOT risking their reputations.

At this point, whether or not AGW is real is irrelevant to their professional standing – their job, like that of the IPCC, is to promote Climate Change as a driver of public policy. So long as they do that, they will remain employed.

It’s a moot point as to whether or not they realise that they are no longer scientists, but it’s not a unique situation – in fact it recurs with every generation. It’s just unusual for so much political angst to attach itself to the entrenched delusions of the Old Guard. (Ordinary people rarely came to blows over, for example, the existence or non-existence of tectonic plates…)

jmichna
November 30, 2017 9:27 am

The “esteemed” authors:
…Jeffrey A. Harvey, Daphne van den Berg, Jacintha Ellers, Remko Kampen, Thomas W. Crowther, Peter Roessingh, Bart Verheggen, Rascha J. M. Nuijten, Eric Post, Stephan Lewandowsky, Ian Stirling, Meena Balgopal, Steven C. Amstrup, and Michael E. Mann….

Seems scientific ineptness coupled with political advocacy are contagious….

hanserren
Reply to  jmichna
November 30, 2017 10:37 am

Well well, Jeff Harvey does again the ugly trick he did with Björn Lomborg.

AndyG55
Reply to  jmichna
November 30, 2017 11:11 am

The fact that this paper ever made it through peer-review,..

.. shows just how IRREVOCABLY BROKEN peer-review is in so-called ” climate science”

Reply to  AndyG55
November 30, 2017 11:52 am

A personal attack paper with easy to spot lies,shows the lack of interest in pursuing good science research.

from the post:

“This is an important new paper by a team of blue-chip authors”

if they were truly “blue chip” people,there would be NO personal attack paper with lies all over it.

“It reveals much about modern science, and shows one reason the campaign for policy action to fight climate change has produced so little despite so much invested over the past three decades.”

They are investing in POLITICAL interests,not for science,because good science research would never produce such a horrid lying paper. A paper designed to smear a person with deliberate lies,that kind of behavior happens in politics.

There are FOURTEEN names listed as authors of that irrational trash,one would expect some scientific rationality and decency could be harvested from 14 brains,but these people are poor scientists with a chip on their shoulders.

One more piece of evidence that Dr. Mann is a truly dumb man and a pseudoscience wacko!

AndyG55
Reply to  AndyG55
November 30, 2017 3:29 pm

I want to know if any of the resident AGW trollups really think this piece of anti-science trash-talk should ever have passed peer-review.

What does it show about peer-review when papers like this can get through..

Trashes the whole of “climate science”..

degrades its putrid, underhanded, spiteful reputation even further…. if that were possible…

… wouldn’t you agree !!!

AndyG55
Reply to  AndyG55
November 30, 2017 3:30 pm

No wonder rational, scientific people treat “climate science” peer-review with such MOCKERY..

they bring it on themselves.

lee
Reply to  AndyG55
November 30, 2017 5:12 pm

Sunsettommy, and the value of blue chips at the casino seems, by consensus, to be $1.

MarkW
November 30, 2017 9:29 am

Peer review has been re-defined as review by people who already agree with the “consensus”.
Anyone who is not part of the in-crowd is not permitted to review papers done by insiders.

Dr. Crawford has released all of her data and methods so that anyone who wants to can review her work and as a result all of her work has been reviewed much more extensively than anything produced by the so called “climate scientists” who only release their data and methods to those who already agree with them.

gator69
Reply to  MarkW
November 30, 2017 10:32 am

The peer of an alarmist is an alarmist, and the peer of a fraud is a fraud. We need scientific review.

Ray in SC
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2017 12:21 pm

Yes, it is interesting that they can offer no criticism of Crockford’s methods or conclusions but instead rely solely on false attacks against her credibility.

Resourceguy
November 30, 2017 9:31 am

Judith’s quote is enough for me.

HotScot
Reply to  Resourceguy
November 30, 2017 11:30 am

Resourceguy

Seconded

Curious George
November 30, 2017 9:37 am

IPCC measures “probability” by a popular vote of hand-picked “experts”.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Curious George
November 30, 2017 12:29 pm

George, please note the “experts” had to use “judgement” to cool off the intermediate term of the IPCC AR5 CMIP5 models. Tellingly, they left the out-years wildly hot.

I recently read where modelers were forced to reduce the assumed climate impacts of particular forcings by 30% to bring hindcasts anywhere near historical temperatures. But in the same model runs, no such adjustments were made for future projections. I wonder if that is really true?

knr
Reply to  Curious George
November 30, 2017 2:12 pm

That would the the IPCC which is ‘dead duck’ without AGW !

Dave Fair
Reply to  knr
November 30, 2017 2:17 pm

When a bureaucracy starts out with an assumption (CAGW for the IPCC), knr, it unlikely it will produce any contrary observations.

Coeur de Lion
November 30, 2017 9:40 am

What about the Arctic conditions in the 1930s – was there a PB population crash? No. Now we have a plateau of about four and a half Wadhams or more every September for the last decade, we can relax and watch for the increase to start with the AMO cycle.

Andy Pattullo
November 30, 2017 9:41 am

Dr. Susan Crockford is a Canadian scientist of significant stature and admirable ethics whose shadow, the authors of this piece of rubbish in Biosicence are not qualified to stand in. We can be proud that science is still practiced by some who know its purpose and methods. The inept and dishonest authors of tripe such as this are so far gone from reality there is little if any hope of them producing more than self-interested misrepresentations of a fantasy world where their magical thinking is as good as logic.

November 30, 2017 9:47 am

Name-calling does not belong in science. Certainly not in published peer reviewed papers. Were Michael E Mann professional he would not have signed his name to the work or insisted that the pejoratives be removed.

F. Leghorn
Reply to  Steve Case
November 30, 2017 12:01 pm

I agree. But Michael Mann is scum. He and Al Gore deserve all the pejoratives you can come up with.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steve Case
November 30, 2017 12:21 pm

This is not science. It is self-serving lies to support, not only an agenda, but their lifestyles of the rich and famous.

Such blatant and aggressive attacks reflect the end-game desperation of paid political hacks as they recognize current and projected real science is destroying the consensus on a daily basis. That is why they are attacking blogs that publish contrary facts and agenda-free analyses.

November 30, 2017 9:51 am

My younger offspring is currently in Yellowknife doing some technical work, apparently large stuffed Ursus maritimus specimens are all over the place.

Reply to  vukcevic
November 30, 2017 11:00 am

… large stuffed Ursus maritimus specimens are all over the place.

Stuffed with food or sawdust?

dayhay
Reply to  Steve Case
November 30, 2017 12:22 pm

Stuffed with these so called scientists would be preferred….

Reply to  Steve Case
November 30, 2017 12:38 pm

… kind you can get close to (eg. one at the airport luggage reclaim or the explorer hotel lounge) had a visit from taxidermist some time ago, the other kind that occasionally roam on the town’s outskirts best not to get too close to check it out ….

November 30, 2017 9:53 am

“The authors fail to mention previous “credible estimates” that have proven to be false. To mention a few… – Arctic Sea Ice predictions of 2002, 2007 and 2008”
Dr Judith Curry stated during Congress hearings in March 2017 that the mechanisms that control the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice variance “were not known”.

And yet when the predictions of Arctic sea ice demise were made in those years detailed above no-one asked the predictors of gloom to explain the mechanisms that would bring about those outcomes. How will this happen. Wadhams, despite visiting the Arctic over 50 times and it being his area of focus has no idea.

The concern that the EPTG would change and atmospheric circulation be disrupted due to lack of ice is ironic. The period from the early1980s has witnesses greater atmospheric inflow the Arctic from mid latitude heat release, and it is that increased inflow that has contributed to the reduction of sea ice area and thickness.

A good main post, thanks

Steve Fraser
Reply to  Ozonebust
November 30, 2017 10:07 am

Sea ice thickness seems to be recovering this year.

Bloke down the pub
November 30, 2017 10:00 am

Wouldn’t it be a shame if visits to Susan’s website went through the roof.

Hugs
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
November 30, 2017 10:48 am

Yes. But it is a real shame google put desmog as the top hit when I googled Susan Crockford. I mean, of all sites of the world, google puts a lefty hate site top. I don’t say they deliberately did that, but it well describes the size of the problems we have with ‘progressives’.

Leftists are so eager to desmog everybody that they are seeing the results of their hate behaviour as a proof of being right.

MarkW
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:42 am

Google has been caught biasing it’s results over and over again.

HotScot
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:43 am

Hugs

Try using Duck Duck Go as a search engine, Susan’s top of the list.

Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:54 am

https://polarbearscience.com/tag/dr-susan-crockford/ is now at the top using google, desmog is below it

Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 12:24 pm

Google definitely skews search results to the left. If you search almost any politically controversial position, the top page of results are almost dominated with left leaning links. This seems to be especially true with climate science related searches.

For example, search for ‘hansen 1984 feedback climate’ and most of the first 10 pages are links using his papers to support their position, links to articles on RC, SS and other warmist blogs and a small number of skeptical positions thrown in after the first page of results. There was one wuwt link in the first 10 pages of results on the 6’th page, which happened to be my ‘feedback fubar’ article, although that also may be due to my own search history modifying my own results. I also needed to qualify the first search with ‘climate’ since without it, there were only warmist positions, nothing from wuwt and many unrelated results (different hansen’s and nothing to do with feedback).

However, if I search ‘hansen 1984 feedback climate wuwt’ I get several pages of relevant results, oddly enough, the first result said ‘missing wuwt’ and was a link to Hansen’s paper. BTW, if enough people search for ‘hansen 1984 feedback climate wuwt’ and click through to wuwt links, it should improve the organic rating of wuwt. This will work for qualifying any climate science related search with wuwt and clicking through the wuwt links.

M.W. Plia.
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 1:42 pm

Speaking of “leftists”, has anyone noticed their males, specifically the powerful ones in the entertainment business appear to be the most sexually misguided? Stupid question: why are they the ones getting caught?

I’m betting most of these characters support the alarmist narrative (including the imagined polar bear plight).

Interesting times.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:08 pm

Google put Susan Crockford up top for me. Anything else would be evil.

Hugs
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:36 pm

HotScot

“Try using Duck Duck Go as a search engine, Susan’s top of the list”

I don’t think duckduckgo works too well. But in some cases, it reveals striking differences in valueing (ordering) results.

Hugs
Reply to  Hugs
November 30, 2017 11:38 pm

By the way, I don’t know the reason, but now and here, Crockford’s blog is top in my google search.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Hugs
December 1, 2017 7:54 am

I never trusted a company whose motto is “don’t be evil”. Only the devil can pretend not being evil; hell, not even Christ, not even Mary for a catholic, are sinless (only Christ conception is said to be).
I ban google products wherever possible, except when they make no money or even lose some.
I don’t even use the “google it” sentence, i use “duckduckgo it”
And i use the fact that lefties do not like being tracked by a private company with known links to NSA to have them ban google, too.
I hope anti-trust will break Alphabet apart.

Bob boder
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
November 30, 2017 10:50 am

Bloke

Great idea, i just went to her site and sent her a note of support perhaps all here should do so.

Bob boder
Reply to  Bob boder
November 30, 2017 11:09 am

And received a quick “Thank you”
No one deserves to be attacked for just doing their job and being an honest scientist.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Bob boder
November 30, 2017 11:23 pm

As a published author myself, I think people buying my book and posting a review on Amazon is even better than a note of support. I’m pretty sure Susan would agree.

Reply to  Bloke down the pub
December 2, 2017 6:15 am

I shared her post..comments are closed on her website though, I can understand why that would be.

Susan if you are reading this…good for you! No scientist deserves to be attacked by quacks who can’t keep their hands out of everybody’s cookie jars. They aren’t biologists, they obviously can’t remember basic photosynthesis, consistently tell others they are experts in all fields because they play with climate models (yet also ignore the oceans beyond light depth), and are frequently caught pointing fingers when called out on what they simply don’t know.

Go get ’em! They are obviously scared of you. 🙂

November 30, 2017 10:03 am

It’s amazing how scientists whose work is influencing policy affecting trillions of dollars can get away with being so incredibly sloppy and even more amazing that a ‘consensus’ s embraced the idiocracy. But then again, this is the hallmark of ‘consensus climate science’. It’s fortunate for the world and for the integrity of science that blogs like this exist to bring this nonsense to light.

This all started with Hansen’s bungling of feedback as his ego pushed back to counteract the Regan and first Bush administrations characterization of him as an alarmist ‘chicken little’ lunatic. This continued with Trenberth’s arbitrary conflation of the energy transported by photons and energy transported by matter done for no other reason than to obfuscate the simple requirements for energy balance and add wiggle room to support what the laws of physics can not. The IPCC piled on with inconsistent definitions, misleading characterizations and obfuscated uncertainty as they applied layer upon layer of junk claiming eminent catastrophe consequential to the bungled science underneath the shaky foundation supporting its existence as they unethically manuevred themselves to become the arbiter of what is and what is not climate science. Worse yet is that the transparent purpose is to justify a repressive agenda shared with the UN, UNFCCC and the World Bank to replace the engine of growth with the repression of robinhood economics.

HotScot
Reply to  co2isnotevil
November 30, 2017 11:47 am

co2isnotevil

It’s just as fortunate that informed people like you populate sites like this. Without you guys, we laymen would be lost.

Thank you.

climanrecon
November 30, 2017 10:18 am

I visit so-called “denier” blogs because they bring to light the “unhelpful” facts that somehow fail to get a mention in climate science press releases and friendly media interviews and comment pieces. The authors of “denier” blog posts don’t need any scientific qualifications, so this just looks like a priesthood getting its robes into a twist because the game is over for them, the inevitable fate of all priesthoods.

Latitude
Reply to  climanrecon
November 30, 2017 10:42 am

These maroons avoid mentioning that it is the absurdity of their claims…that created the internet blogs in the first place

DCA
Reply to  Latitude
November 30, 2017 11:51 am

They claim you believe in conspiracy theories like the fake moon landings them claim there’s a fossil fuel conspiracy with “common tactics employed by science-denier groups.”

The irony is astonishing,

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Latitude
December 1, 2017 7:56 am

Irony: they are not afraid to use a 9/11 denialist actress as a global warming ambassador

Reply to  climanrecon
November 30, 2017 11:36 am

Blogs like this are required because the climate science blogs aligned with the IPCC’s self serving consensus don’t permit challenging the science they use to support their impossible claims.

Tom Halla
November 30, 2017 10:24 am

The climate change establishment is getting a bit frantic. How much of their funding was from the US government?

hanserren
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 30, 2017 10:42 am

Looks like the majority of the authors are from The Netherlands, a country without polar bears.

MarkW
Reply to  hanserren
November 30, 2017 11:45 am

For now, I’ll wait to see how bad the coming cold snap gets before predicting what the future holds for them.

AndyG55
Reply to  hanserren
November 30, 2017 3:37 pm

More likely from the nether regions. !!

Bob boder
November 30, 2017 10:43 am

Same bunch of bile and bilge that Griff was spewing about Dr Crockford a few months back. What is it about these people that make them attack Dr Crockford? Over and over they slander and try to diminish anyone who disagrees with them, but some the seam to focus in on and never let it go no matter how many times they are refuted. Dr Soon is another example.

MarkW
Reply to  Bob boder
November 30, 2017 11:45 am

She refuted their latest scare tactic.
That’s enough to launch a bile attack these days.

RWturner
November 30, 2017 10:46 am

“Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. …scientists such as Crockford who are described as “experts” on denier blogs in fact typically have little in the way of relevant expertise, and their expertise is often self-manufactured to serve alternative agendas.”

Looks like libel to me. I hope she sues.

A C Osborn
Reply to  RWturner
November 30, 2017 12:34 pm

+1000
The organisation that she works for should do the sueing

HotScot
Reply to  RWturner
November 30, 2017 12:44 pm

““experts” on denier blogs in fact typically have little in the way of relevant expertise, and their expertise is often self-manufactured to serve alternative agendas.””

Like what?

What agenda can the numerous unpaid, often retired, scientists and engineers, ‘on denier blogs’ be pursuing? Fame? Fortune? Power?

How self manufactured are Professor Tim Ball, Ant Watts, David Middleton, Willis etc? They comment under their own names, unpaid, and have credentials to back them up.

Many of them, as far as I can gather, have comfortable lives and don’t need to profit from associating with WUWT, notalotofpeopleknowthat or any other ‘denier’ blog. Yet they do, because they value the integrity of science and seek to challenge the preposterous concept that concencus represents scientific endeavour.

Even as a layman I can see what an appalling slur the comment represents to any scientist, no matter how modest.

This is truly the time of the scientific Luddite, when questioning a concencus is considered wrong or heretical. Indeed, the very act of making inquiry into climate change makes me, arguably, a scientist, not a good one, but a scientist nonetheless.

I don’t believe for a moment a qualification suddenly endows one with scientific drive and integrity. In my limited opinion, a qualification is merely evidence that one has the desire, drive and ability to complete a single task successfully. What one does after achieving that qualification is not the job of the qualification, it’s the job of the individual. How many people with degree’s are flipping burgers in McDonald’s? Judging by the adulation of qualifications they should all be running the company.

My friend, Stephen Fear, the Phone box millionaire (Duck Duck Go him, google if necessary) is one of the wealthiest men in the UK. He left school at 14 and was, until recently, the entrepreneur in residence at the British Library. He is entirely self educated and I believe has at least one honorary degree. An acquaintance, Simon Dolan, also left school early, with a single ‘O’ level. He sold his accountancy firm SJD accounting a few years ago for £100M.

Qualifications are no guarantee of ability.

The statement “expertise is often self-manufactured to serve alternative agendas.” is a sad, self indictment of many publicity seeking, grant funded scientists.

Sheri
Reply to  HotScot
November 30, 2017 3:55 pm

Agreed. While having an advanced degree does indicate one is dedicated to the task, the “proper” letters after one’s name does not mean that the person is an infallible authority. Not having letters after one’s name does not mean the writer/speaker is ignorant of the subject. There is a psychological explanation, however, because once one has spent a fortune on a PhD, one usually wants to believe they know more than anyone without a PhD. Otherwise, what good is the degree? The reality that the degree is often just a job requirement is too sad for them to contemplate, I think.

Reply to  HotScot
November 30, 2017 4:21 pm

And when you consider the cost of obtaining a Phd, the opportunity cost of not working and the financial penalty of starting from the bottom at a later age, it’s really not worth it. Plus, candidates tend to focus on narrow specialties limiting job opportunities where their specific education is even relevant.

Gary
November 30, 2017 10:52 am

Given the easily-proved erroneous statements about Dr. Crawford’s work and reputation, a letter to BioSicence from an attorney representing her that demands a retraction and rebuttal would be in order. These twerps need to be held to a standard of decency. This is an opportunity to broadcast the depths of their despicable behavior that should not be missed.

Gary
Reply to  Gary
November 30, 2017 10:53 am

Crockford

TA
Reply to  Gary
November 30, 2017 11:42 am

A defamation lawsuit might be in order. Depends on whether Susan wants to push it that far. The authors definitely lied about her and her work, and smeared her reputation deliberately.

I think the authors should be held to account in a court of law.

Reply to  TA
November 30, 2017 12:40 pm

I’m afraid that suing for defamation would be a Mikey Mann thing to do. Rather, Dr. Crockford ought to submit a detailed refutation in the form of a Comment to the journal in question. Since they are likely to refuse to publish it, similar Comments ought to be submitted to other polar biology journals. That is how *scientists* are supposed to handle this sort of conflict.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  TA
November 30, 2017 1:44 pm

Defamation most assuredly happened, but don’t you also have to prove harm?
Without harm, it’s more like the Streisand effect. Sure a couple wanna-be’s will take up the mantra, but everyone else will go and look for themselves.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  TA
November 30, 2017 2:33 pm

No need for any Manniacal responses. Don’t need to lie down with that dog.

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  TA
December 1, 2017 6:03 am

The trouble is that the authors didn’t lie when they said that she has not published on polar bears in the peer reviewed literature. She hasn’t.

Reply to  TA
December 1, 2017 7:28 am

Really Skeptical, make a dishonest statement here,since no one claimed they lied over it. Here is what Slimers wrote:

“Approximately 80% of the denier blogs cited here referred to one particular denier blog, Polar Bear Science, by Susan Crockford, as their primary source of discussion and debate on the status of polar bears. Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears. …scientists such as Crockford who are described as “experts” on denier blogs in fact typically have little in the way of relevant expertise, and their expertise is often self-manufactured to serve alternative agendas.”

Here is the reply to it in the blog post:

“This is a serious misrepresentation of relevant facts. The authors fail to mention her Ph.D. in zoology (her dissertation mentions polar bear evolution) and her peer-reviewed publications (details here). She is even cited in a paper published in Bioscience. As for relevance, there is a long tradition of scientists leveraging their basic training into other fields. Darwin’s education before joining HMS Beagle gave him little preparation to discover evolution. Stephen Jay Gould — the great paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science — did his empirical research studying snails.”

No mention of a lie here.

Slimers made this LIE here:

“Crockford vigorously criticizes, without supporting evidence, the findings of several leading researchers who have studied polar bears in the field for decades.”

as exposed here:

“This is a deliberate lie. Nobody who has read her work can honestly say that. See this post, for example. Also see her major paper, described below. One can question her evidence and logic, but not that she provides much evidence.”

You keep trying to make deliberate misleading comments like you did, will make you appear to be a liar too,if not a serious misrepresentation of the evidence.

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  TA
December 1, 2017 9:04 am

TA said “The authors definitely lied about her and her work”

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  TA
December 1, 2017 12:14 pm

” “This is a deliberate lie. Nobody who has read her work can honestly say that. See this post, for example. Also see her major paper, described below. One can question her evidence and logic, but not that she provides much evidence.” ”

Well, I have seen many of these Crockford articles, and evidence and logic go together, don’t they. She carefully picks her evidence, and therein lies the problem.

But both Crockford and Steele, who cast themselves as ecologists, seem to like to find examples of species living in environments that they are not well adapted for, and then imply that all is well. But anyone who has taken Ecology 101 knows that not to be the case; when faced with competition, polar bears ultimately retreat to the ice and pika to the mountain tops, or they go extinct. And we know this takes 100s or 1000s of years, it doesn’t happen in a few decades, thank heavens.

And lastly, I thought it was a fine paper.

Ed Zuiderwijk
November 30, 2017 11:10 am

Just confirms what many of us know to be true: green is the new brown and full of muck.

Bruce Cobb
November 30, 2017 11:43 am

They act like climate trolls, using the same tactics. Pathetic.

Admin
November 30, 2017 12:06 pm

Not only a hit piece, but a badly researched hit piece. They didn’t bother check whether Susan had published any papers.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 30, 2017 5:10 pm

They know I’ve published papers, they just lied because they knew they could get away with it.

Hugs
Reply to  susanjcrockford
November 30, 2017 11:48 pm

Dr. Crockford,

the exact smear quote starts with

Notably, as of this writing, Crockford has neither conducted any original research nor published any articles in the peer-reviewed literature on polar bears.

I understand your published peer-reviewed papers are mostly about evolution and archeozoology of the Arctic, but not about polar bears only and specifically. Do you have a list of papers (CV-like) that contains peer-reviewed papers on polar bears?

You have been studying the food that polar bears eat, which makes you very relevant to this discussion, but how many peer-reviewed papers you have published on polar bears specifically?

November 30, 2017 12:11 pm

“Any competent peer review would have forced revisions.”

That sums up the sad state of peer review, This even the case at the top-tier journals Science and Nature. Peer review is so frequently given pal reviews by conspiring senior editors at those journals on anything related to and promoting climate change alarmism.

Joel Snider
November 30, 2017 12:19 pm

Dishonesty. From those who pretty much have made a career of it – and getting a little shrill as their behavior is getting painfully obvious.

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