Thinking of buying a weather station for Christmas? Read this first.

Many readers of WUWT have an interest in weather, and specifically temperature. This being “Black Friday”, I thought I’d spend a few minutes talking about some of the home weather stations that are available and being promoted as “deals” this year. I’m going to provide you with some details that might help you avoid purchasing a piece of poorly manufactured equipment that might look pretty, but won’t last and won’t be accurate.

One of the most promoted weather stations out there this year is one by a company called “LaCrosse”. You’ll see this snazzy looking “5 in 1” weather station at Costco, Amazon, and many other places.

They like to bill themselves as a company based in Wisconsin, but make no mistake, everything they sell is manufactured in China, as is this unit. I’ve had a fair amount of personal experience with this company, and the products are generally low-end when it comes to reliability, quality, and accuracy.

Pros:

  • Great price
  • Lots of features
  • Color LCD display
  • Cell phone interface/app

Cons:

  • Rain gauge with lower surface collection area than is standard means lower accuracy on rainfall measurements
  • No wind direction measurement – only speed
  • Small cup size on Anemometer means low wind readings are not captured
  • No specs given on accuracy of temperature, humidity, pressure, rainfall – only ranges given in their published specs
  • Company’s products have history of short durability

My experience with Chinese made products like this is that they have a temperature accuracy that is often only ±2 or 3 degrees Fahrenheit, don’t read winds accurately, nor report rainfall measurements accurately due to non-standard sizes of wind cups and rain collectors. Even worse, in my experience, they often don’t last very long. The plastic components don’t handle weather and sun exposure well, and the housing darkens with age, increasing the bias to the temperature. While this product “looks” great, it’s really little more than a toy.

Another similar Chinese-made weather station is one from a company called AcuRite, also available in many places, such as Target, Amazon, Kohl’s, Home Depot, and many other online stores. Like the LaCrosse, it has a snappy display and lots of features, but like any Chinese-made product, it suffers from accuracy and reliability issues.

 

Pros:

  • Good price
  • Lots of features
  • Color LCD display
  • Cell phone interface/app
  • Computer logging program
  • Solar powered fan for aspirated temperature readings

Cons:

  • Oddly shaped rain gauge aperture with lower surface collection area than is standard means lower accuracy on rainfall measurements
  • Small cup size and odd shape on Anemometer means low wind readings are not captured
  • Accuracy of temperature is listed as ±2 degrees F
  • Users report fan stops working after a few months, resulting in higher than normal temperature readings
  • Slow – wind speed reported every 18 seconds and direction every 30
  • Users report short useful product lifetime

The above examples are just two of the many Chinese-made consumer grade weather stations being foisted on consumers this Christmas. While these might be fine for “entertainment value”, anybody who is serious about getting accurate weather and climate information really needs to look elsewhere. These weather stations have even worse problems than we have uncovered in the NOAA surface temperature network.

There is one company, Davis Instruments, of Hayward California that makes quality weather stations that have accuracy and quality, and I highly recommend them if you plan to purchase a weather station. Sure, they may cost more, but they do in fact last, have standard sized rain and wind collection that meet WMO specs, and have sensors that are NIST traceable. Plus, they are wholly American-made.

The caveat “you get what you pay for” holds true in the weather station market.

Pros:

  • Standard sized and shape rain gauge comes meet WMO standards for size and collection area
  • Rain gauge has integrated bird spikes to prevent roosting and clogging
  • Rain gauge has new wind-tunnel tested cone to ensure better collection at high wind speed
  • NIST traceability with sensors
  • Temperature accurate to within ±1 degreeF (0.5C) Full specs here
  • NOAA, Naval Observaory, WMO, algorithms built into firmware for calculated data
  • Durable construction won’t darken or fail – users report stations lasting 10 years or more
  • Parts are available from the U.S. manufacturer – unlike from China manufacturers

Cons:

  • No color display
  • Higher price (lower cost Vantage Vue seen below, is available)
  • Cell phone/website interface is an optional add-on

Full disclosure: my company has the first and oldest online weather instrument store ( weathershop.com 1995) and we sell these. If you’d like to take a look, we have a sale on, and you can take my word for it: these stations will last, and give you accurate readings, as well as log data, send data to places like Weather Underground, and works with Android/iOS apps if you get the WeatherLink IP to connect to your home router.

 

SALE ENDED- final clearance fire sale here

I have seen so many people buy these cheap Chinese instruments, then become frustrated with them either right out of the box (DOA) or having them fail in a few months, that I thought I’d take a moment to tell people about what I’ve learned through experience. Even if you don’t buy a Davis weather station through my weathershop.com store, at least don’t buy one of these cheap Chinese alternatives if you value greater accuracy and reliability.

Thanks for your consideration.

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Sheri
November 24, 2017 10:34 am

I have a cheap Acurite. The first one stopped working, so I got another one just like it (figuring the units could share parts when needed). I found the original was wet inside (clips broke off and it doesn’t seal now) and after drying it out, I put batteries in it and it has recovered. I have to seal the battery compartment to keep out rain, but I considered it a tough little unit. In addition, I have a rain gauge and a wind sock for wind direction. For simply knowing what is going on outside, that’s sufficient. If I were to move up to recording the weather for some project, a better unit would be in order.

November 24, 2017 10:47 am

I’ve owned the Davis Vantage2 (split wireless, wind sp/dir on the flagpole) since around 2002, survived many hurricanes in central Florida, and a number of snow/ice events in SC. I’ve only had to send it back to the factory once for a warranty repair. Davis stands behind their warranty better than most any other company I’ve dealt with. If you are into Linux/unix based computers, there is a host of programs that can interface to the system and get your data onto CWOP and other places. I’ll admit I’ve been lackluster about keeping my station calibrated the last couple of years, and as such, I don’t push my data out to CWOP anymore. I would highly recommend the VP2.

Tom
November 24, 2017 10:52 am

I happen to have both a LaCrosse and an AcuRite instrument in view right now. I agree completely with Anthony’s view of LaCrosse. Mine was a gift, and measures indoor/outdoor temperature, as well as “accurate” time. It references the US time signal from WWV. It currently reads two hours off. It also doesn’t show seconds so its accuracy is really only +/- a half minute (whenever the hour numbers happen to be right). The outdoor temperature is so flaky that I have given up even trying to make it work. With the color display, at least it LOOKS impressive.

I’ve had better luck with AcuRite weather stations. I own two, in different locations. I must point out that my displays are NOT color. They are monochrome, with a colored overlays. That makes them look like color displays, but all the data are monochrome. I don’t find this to be a disadvantage. I mounted the remote units at head height so I can easily change the batteries, so I know the wind speeds are inaccurate. It also makes it easier to unclog the rain gages (which are more prone to clogging at such low elevations). They include a calibration offset to correct a DC offset in temperature. They have both continued to work for three years, which I consider quite satisfactory for the price. I was satisfied with the data when Harvey passed through a couple of months ago. They cost 20 percent of the Davis price.

Carl Friis-Hansen
November 24, 2017 10:52 am

I have a WMR928NX from Origon (I think it the internally the model as the Siemens), which I bought about 12 years ago. Never had any issues with what so ever. The internal and external temperature sensors appear to be correct within 0.2C compared to to my Comac reference thermometer. Anybody else with experience of this weather station?

eric
November 24, 2017 11:01 am

Who cares about reliability or accuracy since T is increasing by 10 deg. by 2026!

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  eric
November 24, 2017 3:01 pm

Why measure what is already known! 🙂

Barry Cullen
Reply to  eric
November 24, 2017 4:19 pm

10.06 deg! Mustn’t skip the 0.06.
Bd

Robert of Texas
November 24, 2017 11:20 am

I owned the LaCrosse very similar to the one shown at the top of this article. The rain gauge never matched the simple glass cylinder rain gauge I also used nearby. The wind anemometer broke during the first storm to hit it (a cup literally broke off). I was able to get temperature readings for a year or so before that also stopped working. They were always suspect – several degrees off from a simple outside thermometer I kept.

If you want a serious weather station, you need to invest some money – otherwise don’t bother as its a lot of trouble to try and set one of these up correctly, only to tear it back down.

Oh, my glass rain cylinder was shattered years later in a bad Texas storm – lots of debris from trees around here. I ‘made’ a new one (using the volume versus surface area ratio of the original and marking it) from borosilicate glass cylinder and so far, it has survived.

Juice
November 24, 2017 11:47 am

Color LCD display

UGH!

South River Independent
November 24, 2017 12:02 pm

Bestreviews.com has just updated their weather station recommendations and has a shopping guide for selecting one. I have an Ambient Weather Station that I installed in November 2012 when my daughter was taking a weather course at the community college.

Davis Instruments is described as the Rolls Royce of weather stations. Next is AcuRite, Ambient Weather, La Crosse, and Oregon Scientific.

dryscottdale
November 24, 2017 12:26 pm

I owned 3 or 4 starting way back with kit build from Heathkit….and eventually an early Davis Instruments unit that was best in quality and reliabilty IMHO…..But station placement is CRITICAL due to wind gradient and building/tree wind disturbance…..

Now i just check my NEST thermostat or smartphone for local weather data….

Use remote access Davis Instruments for wind conditions at distant sailing, gliding, long range firing range sites before travelling.

Dan the Man
November 24, 2017 12:36 pm

So I think what you are really saying is if you want to believe in global warming by a cheap chinese version because it too will lie to you about the temperature +- 2 whole degrees. Approved by Michael Mann and Penn State.

November 24, 2017 2:51 pm

I’ve got two different AcuRite consoles (different models). Both models appear to have a firmware bug which prevents the feature which stores data for later retrieval over USB from working. The bug is intemittent but usually prevents retrieving data from even a 12-hour recorded span. I have carefully tested and documented this flaw. My best guess is that it is a problem with their console, not the host computer.

AcuRite steadfastly ignores this problem. They don’t deny it — they ignore it. I have been unable to get them to make any statement about this flaw one way or the other. They have gladly replaced the offending console(s) under warranty — with new consoles which appear to exhibit the exact same problem.

My personal opinion is that they won’t comment on this because of the huge exposure they have. I am far from impressed by the way in which they have dealt with this problem.

Second point — I’ve done a serious bit of testing of their fan-aspirated solar radiation shield (the fan runs on solar cells). In my tests it exhibited a 3-5F error (depending mostly on wind conditions) due to solar heating compared to a good fan-aspirated shield. If you’re interested, a report on these tests is available here:

http://www.osengr.org/Projects/Solar-Radiation-Shield/Radiation-Shield-Comparison.pdf

Robert of Ottawa
November 24, 2017 2:58 pm

Remember, these units must to be exposed to the elements continuously for years. They need to be ruggedly constructed and plastics may fail in the constant UV exposure. Constant extreme dryness or humidity will also impact the packaging. Daily temperature cycling will inevitably weaken all mechanical and electrical connections and moving parts.

Look for the temperature specs: In Canada, for most places, a range of -40C to +whatever is essential. Temperatures can drop below -40C, depending upon where you are; here in Ottawa, -30C is NOT adequate. Under the Sun, the internal electronics can become a lot hotter than the maximum they can tolerate, just like your car can become much hotter in the Sun (yes, the real greenhouse effect). I suspect the cheaper instruments only use commercial temperature grade electronic components.

Remember those LED lightbulbs that advertize 50,000 hours duration. Well, that only applies to the solid state LEDs themselves, all the other bits, especially soldered wire joints, cause the much higher failure rate we are already accustomed too.

Further, take heed as much as you can of the weather station siting information you can gather here on this web site.

Grand Lunar
November 24, 2017 3:40 pm

I had an older LaCrosse unit, with the Weather Direct label.
It actually handled the weather in Phoenix, AZ pretty good for 5 years or so.
Only reason it quit working was because Weather Direct shut down its website.

Glad I read this entry before considering a replacement.

Michael S. Kelly
November 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Very useful post, thanks Anthony. I’ve been looking for a baseline device to do a large scale weather network. This is a good lead.

November 24, 2017 4:48 pm

Thanks for the expert evaluations.
I’m not in the market for a weather station (though I’d like to have one.)
But “you get what you pay” reminder is valuable.
Recently I wanted to get a “spring bar removal tool”.
(I very rarely buy stuff online. If someone dug me up in a million years, they’d probably conclude I was a Cro-Magnon.8-)
Anyway, I found a cheap one locally.
I bought it.
I tried it.
It didn’t work.
I had to put it on a grinder before it would work.
I doubt putting a cheap weather station on a grinder would make it work. 😎

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Gunga Din
November 25, 2017 11:11 pm

“I doubt putting a cheap weather station on a grinder would make it work. 8-)”

How do you know until you try? If you have an intermittent fault, it might fix it. Well, the intermittent part of it, anyway.

November 24, 2017 5:27 pm

I have a friend who would love one of these.
Let’s see

um, everything that looks like a link on http://weathershop.com/Specials.htm
isn’t clickable?

I know it’s me and my paranoid browser settings, but what did I do wrong here?

[Check Out These Deals] isn’t clickable

20% Off ALL Davis Instruments Weather Stations & Accessories Storewide! isn’t clickable
the picture below it isn’t clickable.

Extreme Hiatus
November 24, 2017 6:44 pm

I’d like to get the Greenblob Climate Maximizer so I can be fooled into thinking that it is warmer in the winter.

Or maybe one of those ones they have been using in Australia that captures the highest temperature per split second.

South River Independent
November 24, 2017 8:00 pm

I may be wrong because I am relying on memory from five years ago, but I believe that the Weather Underground, which some have mentioned, has a connection with the now-defunct terrorist group of the same name. In addition, the last time I checked, a few years ago, the WU is totally on board with the “97% consensus” regarding human-caused GW.

Reply to  South River Independent
November 25, 2017 4:17 pm

WeatherUnderground is currently owned by IBM. See this press release:

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/48884.wss

South River Independent
Reply to  wxobserver
November 27, 2017 12:21 pm

The Weather Underground was started at the University of Michigan where the terrorist group started and the weather organization adopted the name of the terrorist organization. The weather organization split off from U of M soon after it was created.

Editor
November 24, 2017 8:09 pm

I have a Davis VP (classic), bought used in 2003 from a Boston TV Met who used it at home. He was upgrading to the fan aspirated model. Most of its warts are fixed with the VP 2. However, for the most part, it still works fine, see http://wermenh.com/wx/current.html for displays generated with Python, gnuplot, and other software.

A lot of professional mets use Davis products.

November 24, 2017 9:22 pm

I’ve owned several LaCross and Acurite units. Never had one last for more than a year.
When I decided to buy a real weather station for my house I bought a Davis Vantage Vue. I find the transducers to be accurate and It has served faithfully for several years.

November 24, 2017 10:53 pm

I just step outside.

Another Scott
November 24, 2017 11:02 pm

Another vote for Davis. The Vantage Pro 2 is a champ. Their customer support is really good, very easy to work with the one time I needed them.

AleaJactaEst
November 25, 2017 2:05 am

what about any UK products Anthony? most US suppliers charge an arm and a leg for shipping if they do, most don’t ship.

November 25, 2017 3:09 am

I had an Oregon tipping bucket type of rain gauge. Found on calibration the bucket size was in error by 30%. Then found over about 10 months parallel recording with a manual gauge other errors. The bucket count caused considerable errors upto 20% when in heavy rain (over 100mm/day) and in very light rain (such as less than 0.5mm/day). Then there were signals errors (ie signal breaks) especially in heavy down pours (eg 50mm in two hours). Then after about 6 months the battery declined which had an effect on count transmission). I threw the gauge away and rely on daily manual measurements I adjust the distribution from a number of BOM weather stations in the surrounding area.when I am away.

Editor
Reply to  cementafriend
November 25, 2017 4:56 am

Tipping bucket gauges can be tough to get right. The folks at CoCoRaHS require reporters to use their approved manual gauge, (not available at weathershop!), see http://www.weatheryourway.com/cocorahs/rgcoco.htm .

I calibrated my Davis gauge by being careful to level it when I installed it, and then freezing a known quantity of water and letting it melt in the funnel. The two sources generally match pretty well, I think the discrepancies are mainly from wind shaking the Davis gauge which is higher and less stable than the CoCoRaHS gauge.

The NWS folks seem to appreciate the CoCoRaHS readings for accuracy over the ASOS reports from their remote stations.

http://www.weatheryourway.com/cocorahs/images/cocorg3.jpg