From the “upside down Mann” department; something I missed while on holiday this summer. Steve McIntyre writes below about a climate scientist at USC, who goes a bit too far, and ends up looking stupid. Then again, Mann and questionable temperature proxies are involved, so such things tend to come with the territory when one tends to question “settled science”.
Julien Emile-Geay (JEG) submitted a lengthy comment concluding with the tasteless observation that “Steve’s mental health issues are beyond PAGES’s scope. Perhaps the CA tip jar pay for some therapy?” – the sort of insult that is far too characteristic of activist climate science. JEG seems to have been in such a hurry to make this insult that he didn’t bother getting his facts right.
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JEG concluded his comment with a strange peroration accusing me of “continuing to whine about the lack of acknowledgement”, which he called a “delirium of persecution” and a “mental health issue”, suggesting “therapy”:
Continuing to whine about the lack of acknowledgement is beginning to sound like a delirium of persecution. We can certainly fix issues in the database, but Steve’s mental health issues are beyond PAGES’s scope. Perhaps the CA tip jar pay for some therapy?
Where did this come from?
I’ve objected from time to time about incidents in which climate scientists have appropriated commentary from Climate Audit without proper acknowledgement – in each case with cause. I made no such complaint in the article criticized by JEG. Nowhere in the post is there any complaint about “lack of acknowledgement”, let alone anything that constitutes “continuing to whine about the lack of acknowledgement”.
The post factually and drily comments on the inventory of Arctic lake sediment proxies, correctly observing the very high “casualty rate” for supposed proxies:
This is a very high casualty rate given original assurances on the supposed carefulness of the original study. The casualty rate tended to be particularly high for series which had a high medieval or early portion (e.g. Haukadalsvatn, Blue Lake).
One should be able to make such comments without publicly-funded academics accusing one of having “mental health issues”, a “delirium of persecution” or requiring “therapy”.
Read the full story here (updated link)
One comment: From the bio of the USC website, Julien Emile-Geay looks to be yet another Mann-climate-clone proxy prognosticator, right down to the generic climate scientist “look” noted by our resident cartoonist Josh, and by claiming “climate change is the greatest scientific issue of our time” with a dash of saving the planet built into the mindset.
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| To a mathematical mind bent on understanding nature, climate dynamics strikes a perfect balance of mathematics, physics, chemistry, geology, biology, and social sciences. I am also convinced that climate change is the greatest scientific issue of our time, so applying one’s mind to the problem is not only fascinating, but also critical to the survival of civilization as we know it. |
I had a back and forth with him years ago when he wrote a piece praising Al Gore’s science, and criticizing Steve McIntyre. (you read that right, I’m not making this up) I emailed him, and got answer, doubling down. I eventually ended it, telling him I had worked with a number of top French mathematicians, finding them both brilliant and arrogant, and that he at least had one of the characteristics.
Well put!
Agreed!
I was born in New York City. I guess that gives me a fairly thick skin, and I’ve got to say that this is a mountain out of a molehill. I’m saddened that Mr McIntyre is upset by such a flimsy insult. But, really, is this the best they can do?
Sorry Retired_Engineer_Jim, I disagree.
It’s very easy to upset and piss off New York urbanites.
Especially when people who misunderstand the New York methods of interaction and negotiation imitate it by getting upset and yelling at them.
I should know, I ticked off quite a few New Yorkers, before I learned to take it easy and smile when I was getting a face full and an earful.
New Yorkers appear to be screaming at each other and just inches away from fisticuffs; except such discussions end as quickly as they begin and everyone goes to have Danish, corned beef sandwich, pizza, hoagie, lunch, coffee, dinner or just a drink together. Totally without evidence of any argument.
It can be hard to learn not to take encounters personally just because the discussion is loud and nose to nose.
Yup. And on our most recent trip to the city, we found all the New Yorkers with whom we had any interaction to be downright pleasant. I couldn’t understand this – not a single John MacEnroe type to be found. One morning, I asked our waitress about this and she pointed out that school would get out the following week, and then the tourists would arrive. Apparently, New Yorkers don’t suffer tourists too well.
I will, also, point out that I was born in New York a long time ago, before PC, 24-hour news anchored there, and snowflakes (the human type, we had plenty of the natural type.)
Wow. it feels really GOOD to be “…applying one’s mind to the problem [is not only fascinating, but also] critical to the survival of civilization as we know it.”
The man is a hero, give him a medal!
I think this is the theme that lures these people to become so oblivious to facts and data: they are, after all, saving the world. Surely nothing should get in THAT way,
JEG is a massive beta male, and part of the movement of pseudo scientists to erase the MWP because models cannot reproduce it with the CO2 levels of the MWP
That is the driver for this junk posting as science
JEG is activist first, and “scientist” second.
That’s all you need to know, same as Hansen
JEG is into “kissing the ground for Children” and Yoga and Yurts oh and science or something lol
“They do NOT have an argument. They have nothing but name-calling, insults, and when necessary, throwing things.”
Sara, remember what the poet Carl Sandburg, said, “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”
This applies to science as well as the law.
Excellent point, Jon Salmi!
We will have to wear them down with facts that can be backed up with solid evidence – physically tangible stuff, if you will. It is the only way to put a stop to this nonsense.
All the climate alarmist flat earth scientists are supposed to be good at maths but when they say the oceans are becoming more acidic it proves that they can’t even count to 14 or think that 8.1 is way less than 7.0 !
The distilled essence of this matter is whether PAGES produced good science; and whether Steve McIntyre’s criticism of its efforts were good science.
If you feel an urge to virtue signal to one party or another, read the science. Then you might be inclined to conclude that the PAGES science is terrible and that Steve McIntyre, as usual, was using good science to rebut poor science.
Any arguments? Geoff.
Like the implosion if Hollywood demonstrates, it seems our climate hypesters also project their issues.
Seems to be par for the course. I saw one scientist say that McIntyre is too dumb to understand Fortran.
Look…growing up being called ‘julian gay’ cannot have been easy.
I think this guy knows a bit more about persecution than he’s letting on.
Ya know, one could substitute “Green Blob” for “Tinseltown” in this series and it’d be right on: http://www.breitbart.com/tinseltown/
Remember that ad hominem “arguments”, such as the one made by JEG are a admission that Steve has won the argument. That person has no answer to the message so they must resort to attacking the messenger.
Civilisation as he knows it has reliable electricity supplies, a large selection of non-local food in a convenient supermarket, a university enabling him to right the wrongs of the world and (as he is French) aircraft to enable him to travel in comfort between disparate locations (not a complete list).
The typical CAGW advocate would have us eschew all of these things for intermittent electrical power, short-haul vehicles with long recharge times, no air travel, only food from the local area, hair shirts, etc.
How is this ensuring “survival of civilization as we know it.”
Pretty sure they want to destroy civilization as we know it, John, not ensure it survives. Maurice Strong was very clear on that point.
The article and comment thread where whiny insulting trollop, jeg masquerading as el nino, originally dropped his falsehoods and slime is https://climateaudit.org/2017/07/22/pages-2017-arctic-lake-sediments/.
Obviously, el ninny nono jeg, takes social behavior lessons from Connolly.
I hope Trump and Pruitt cancels any/all grants that eventually fund jeg el ninny nono.
It would also be terrific if Pruitt and Trump have those grants evaluated for cost and value for services rendered.
Can you provide a link to “the generic climate scientist “look” noted by our resident cartoonist Josh” ?
Julian says
” I am also convinced that climate change is the greatest scientific issue of our time, so applying one’s mind to the problem is not only fascinating, but also critical to the survival of civilization as we know it.”
My thought is that if he and his ilk get their way civilisation as I know it would be over!
James Bull
The only point I want to make on JEG is his bio where he lists:
“climate dynamics strikes a perfect balance of mathematics, physics, chemistry, geology, biology, and social sciences.”
(bold mine)
Since when does naturally-occurring climate dynamics care about the social sciences? or matter?
That he calls himself a mathematician studying climate dynamics he himself turns into a joke without realizing it. That right there identifies this cretin as a political-operator and hackivist, no science required. His professional work is undoubtedly sub-par and lacking in originality so that he can only attack successful mathematicians like Steve.
Can somebody help? I’m at something of a loss trying to square “social sciences” with AGW. Or is there something I’ve missed?