Spectacular UFO reported in Siberia

The Siberian Times reports: Reports of spectacular UFO – a giant glowing ball lighting the sky – in Siberia

Fears from locals of ‘aliens arriving’, but there is a surprising explanation and, yes, there was an unusual object in the sky.

The illuminated ball looming over the forest was seen clearly in the town of Salekhard right on the Arctic Circle, but was also visible over a swathe of northern Siberia in the night sky.

Residents from Yamalo-Nenets region reported ‘shivers down their spines’ and the social media went alive with claims of aliens arriving in an awesome UFO.

The ball began to turn into an arc and gradually dissipated.’

After the multi-coloured light show was over he went home.

‘Kids (5-6 years old) walking in the yard emotionally began to tell me about an unusual phenomenon, using the words ‘aliens’, ‘the portal to another dimension’ and the like….’


This was the launch of a Topol-M intercontinental ballistic missile from Plesetsk cosmodrome aimed at the Kura testing range in Kamchatka on the country’s Pacific coast. Picture: The Siberian Times

Another photographer Alexey Yakovlev spotted the spectacle at Strezhevoi, in the north of Tomsk region,  some 840 kilometres away.

‘And at first I thought – it is such a radiance of such an unusual form – round in shape.

‘But gradually the ball began to expand, it became clear that this is not some radiance … and it became scary …

‘It’s a gap in the space-time continuum.’

‘It’s good that I was not alone… they made it clear that the group of people cannot hallucinate.’

‘This is such a vision!’

Anastasia Boldyreva posted simply:  ‘Aliens arrived.’

Vasily Zubkov said: ‘I went out to smoke a cigarette and thought it was the end of the world.’





‘I went out to smoke a cigarette and thought it was the end of the world.’ Pictures: Vkontakte

Another local Nurgazy Taabaldiev said: ‘It’s a gap in the space-time continuum.’

In fact the reason photographers were out watching the sky was an amazing show of northern lights – or Aurora Borealis – but there was an extra dimension too.

This was the launch of a Topol-M intercontinental ballistic missile from Plesetsk cosmodrome aimed at the Kura testing range in Kamchatka on the country’s Pacific coast.

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239 thoughts on “Spectacular UFO reported in Siberia

      • Ignoring threats doesn’t make them go away. The fact that bad guys still exist is not evidence that opposing bad guys isn’t worth the effort.

      • Military action to prevent wars has been good for this world not just for the past 30 years, but since 1945.

        Failure to prevent the Nork invasion of the RoK in 1950 is what got us into this predicament. Stalin misunderstood the words of Truman’s Secretary of State, giving Kim Il Sung the green light to attack. And in order to keep the RoK from attacking the DPRK, the US didn’t let them have effective antitank weapons, let alone tanks.

      • I consider our recent history with wars has proved disastrous.

        That said, it is also clear that appeasement does not work, problems fester, become more acute, and eventually return to bite one in the butt.

        The problem with North Korea is that President Bush, and Obama did not address the developing problem. This is a problem that ought not to be on President Trump’s desk.

        We will soon face similar problems with Iran, in view of Obama’s failure to properly deal with them, and his appeasement of them. Again, this is another issue that ought not have been on President Trump’s desk.

        Obama’s foreign policy (aided of course by the incompetence of Hillary Clinton) has been a fiasco and a disaster for the West. Europe is already suffering, and it is likely that a heavy price will be paid in due course for this incompetence.

      • President Clinton is most responsible for the accelerated Nork nuclear program, under the present dictator’s dad.

        • Billy-Jeff supposedly did an agreement with Kim Jong-Il to stop his nuclear weapons program, which Kim may have followed for a full month.

      • MSJ, the fact that physical “nuclear tests” happened 5 years after Clinton’s reign does not mean that NK’s nuclear development plans were unknown to the Clinton administration.

      • LOL @ Streetcred

        If Clinton knew about it 5 years before the test , then Bush knew about it five years AFTER Clinton knew, and did nothing about it.
        Please stop being stupid.

      • Mark S,

        Your partisanship knows no bounds.

        Under the 1994 Agreed Framework, the US government agreed to facilitate the supply of two light water reactors to North Korea in exchange for North Korean disarmament. That was Clinon’s doing. The Norks almost immediately reneged on the deal, but Clinton didn’t punish them.

        National security was not Clinton’s bag, obviously.

        Since the Norks had had a nuclear program since 1962, it was obvious to the most casual observer that Clinton’s “agreement” wasn’t worth the paper upon which it was printed.

      • Mark S,

        The Norks obviously couldn’t have tested a nuke without Clinton’s letting them proceed with their program in the 1990s.

        Also, the first Nork tests were actually in Pakistan in the 1990s.

      • well war to prevent worse wars… well you can see the result but what did you think 30 years ago..and please how to deal with dictators?

      • lemiere jacques October 27, 2017 at 11:06 pm

        Limiting myself to just the past 30 years, I fell I can confidently claim that the Gulf War prevented the war between Iraq on one side and Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States on the other. Indeed, just the thin screen of US light troops on the Saudi-Kuwait border prevented Saddam from continuing on from Kuwait to Saudi.

        And, once Saddam had control of the oil-rich Gulf States, what would have stopped him from again trying to topple the Iranian regime?

        So some terrible wars were indeed prevented by the US and allied defense of Saudi and liberation of Kuwait in the 1990-91 preventative war.

        The rise of ISIS in both Syria and Iraq, OTOH, occurred because the Obama Administration precipitously pulled out of Iraq without a Status of Forces Agreement.

        Libya, I’ll grant you, was brain dead idiocy on the part of Obama, Clinton and the French who put them up to it.

      • Also please bear in mind that Saddam was close to bribing UN officials to lift the sanctions on his chemical, biological and nuclear programs.

        Much as Iraq today might seem a problem, consider what threats a nuclear-armed Saddam would present to world peace.

        • No doubt as similar a threat as Iran will in the near future thanks to Progressivism. I wonder who the Left will blame then?

          Will they give a pass to Obama as some here do to “HillBilly” Clinton?

      • Ah the old bombing other countries to bits whilst you all watch on TV, and claim it is a good thing.

      • and now spend every year blowing up the weapons the US gov sold to others.

        Hilariously tragic

      • Mark,

        I don’t just watch war on TV. I’ve been to war and lost friends and comrades in it.

        In what war has the US ever killed millions? The closest we’ve ever come to that was on our own soil, when about 750,000 American combatants died fighting each other.

      • Mark S Johnson October 27, 2017 at 9:54 pm

        I didn’t say that Bush and Obama hadn’t also dropped the ball. Just that Clinton is most to blame.

        After the fall of Soviet Communism, North Korea was cast adrift. China couldn’t pick up the slack. The regime was vulnerable. Its subject slave population was starving to death in the millions.

        Instead of driving a hard bargain, Clinton bailed out Kim, part of the corrupt deals he made for campaign cash from Chinese Communists. Such as selling them our secret missile and satellite technical packages.

        The Clintons are guilty as sin of high crimes, to include treason and bribery.

      • Mark S Johnson October 27, 2017 at 7:28 pm

        Also, in return for missile technology transfers and components, Pakistan let the Norks test bomb components and probably a small fission device on their nuke test range in the ’90s. Islamabad swapped bomb tech for Pyongyang’s missile tech. A win-win for both, and ways around nonproliferation controls and sanctions.

      • ” probably a small fission device on their nuke test range in the ’90s. ”

        LOL…..the also “probably” tested photon torpedoes there in the same time frame.

        Love your fact free assertions.

      • Not fact free. Factual. Pakistan and North Korea collaborated on missile and nuclear technology. Pakistan helped the Norks with their nuke program in exchange for missile technology.

        You could look it up.

        What you might not be able to look up however is how far Pakistan went in helping Kim’s nuke program. As a reserve G-2 at the time, I had a need to know what evidence we had collected on these projects. Maybe by now the evidence is available in open sources.

        Doesn’t it stand to reason to you that Pakistan and North Korea would cooperate in this way, to evade sanctions?

        You really ought to study the history of nuclear proliferation before presuming to comment upon it.

      • Troll Johnson, do you really believe that Kim’s nuclear program built a bomb in 5 years?
        It was the Clinton administration that removed all roadblocks to NK building the bomb, it was also the Obama administration that made it impossible to stop Iran from getting the bomb, regardless of who is in office when we find out that Iran has a working bomb.

      • Troll Johnson, by the time Bush took office the only option was invasion.
        Are you arguing that you would have supported Bush in doing that?

      • See, that’s the problem. When a war prevents another war, you don’t have the death and destruction that DIDN’T occur in the prevented war to compare to the death and destruction that DID occur in the preventative war. So it’s easy to say that the preventative war is worse than the prevented war WOULD HAVE been. Be thankful we never found out.

        This is the same kind of logic that says private ownership of guns results in more lives lost than saved. When an armed civilian thwarts a mass murder, we have no idea how many lives are saved. Every day, there are shootings, ended by armed civilians, that MIGHT have resulted in more deaths than Las Vegas. We just don’t know. What we DO know is that every single mass shooting in recent history has occurred at a location where guns were forbidden. That means one of two things, or more likely both. Either the mass-shooting perpetrators don’t attempt mass shootings in places where their victims might shoot back, or when a would-be mass shooting begins in a place where victims might shoot back, they DO shoot back, and the perpetrator dies before the victim count reaches a number high enough to be called “mass shooting”.

    • Gabro,
      I would bet that Russian ICBM was actually meant as both a demonstration of Russian capability and as a warning to Kim, just in case he’s starting to get any delusion of grandeur from his nuclear program.

      • If Vlad really wanted to show the world how serious he is about being a “world leader” he would pop 5 or 6 conventional warhead ICBMs into precisely the right spots in DPRK. Can’t tell me Russians don’t know down to the millimeter exactly where to place them for maximum effect.

      • Well, it he did that the Chinese might get a bit excited. Just dropping one into the Kura test range showed Kim he was within range from anywhere in Russia. That got the point across without exciting the other neighbors.

    • squiggy9000 commented – “A big ball of CO2. We’re doomed.”

      Co2 absorbs (and
      emits) in the infrared….
      we can’t see it…
      and that’s the problem!

      • “crackers345 October 27, 2017 at 5:55 pm

        “squiggy9000 commented – “A big ball of CO2. We’re doomed.”</blockquote
        Co2 absorbs (and
        emits) in the infrared….
        we can’t see it…
        and that’s the problem!"

        No problem at all.

        CO2 absorbs/emits a miniscule portion of the IR spectrum.
        Unlike H2O that absorbs/emits over a very large portion of the IR spectrum.

        Plus, there is a lot more H2O than CO2 in the atmosphere. Which is why H2O is termed the whale swamping IR emissions/absorption.

      • Rainer, if 400 ppm of the air were green, would it even be visible? It would be as visible as water vapor that is exhaled on cold days.

  1. False alarm this time, but mark my words, they’re coming. We should put up a big space wall to keep them away. Make them pay for it.

      • Piper ==> Their algorithms can be manipulated by advertisers using “hidden” keywords.
        I understand that there is some way to complain when inappropriate ads appear — they will weed them out.

      • Not sure how those hidden keywords work, though. In the old days some would put white text on white background (making them ‘hidden’) but of course Google reads everything anyway. And doesn’t Google also read cookies and browsing history on users’ computers as well as other stuff if the user happens to be logged in to Chrome, GMail or YouTube?

      • Google’s adpocalypse is already bad enough, just ignore the flipping thing.

        Google has become a cancer to the flow of information

      • They altered search results to help Killary. They alter search results for science, politics and god knows what else and don’t even deny it.

      • They alter search results

        Yeah, but they can say it was the algorithm that did it and there’s no way to dispute or verify their claims. Even if you could make a credible claim, records could just be deleted along with the log file and – poof! – gone.

        Computers and internet enable, facilitate and encourage centralized control. Not to mention being very complicated (easy to conceal/obfuscate things) and a great authoritarian tool which must be deferred to. It is the world’s greatest-ever-invented electrified fooling machine.


        “If you put tomfoolery into a computer, nothing comes out of it but tomfoolery. But this tomfoolery, having passed through a very expensive machine, is somehow ennobled and no-one dares criticize it.”
        – Pierre Gallois

    • Yes, I continue to get an ad for a feminine hygiene product that certainly does fit any particular profile I can imagine as useful or appropriate. No way of killing the ad either.

      • There are ways to block ads from appearing in browser and some of them are free. Downside is it can also prevent some pictures and videos from loading that you want to see (not always). While Google is the devil you can use Google to learn how to block ads, ironic isn’t it? I’ve done it myself but would have to look it up again to remember just how I did it. Anyway I enjoy a mostly ad free experience on my main browser and keep an alternate browser that is unblocked for when there’s a video or picture I want to see in a story.

      • EE_Dan ==> That one is a special favor from Anthony to a deserving friend — the inventor of the product. There was a post about it some time ago. That ad is not placed by Google.

      • Incognito, or delete your USER folder way way deep in the Chrome filesystem — but that will delete lots of other integrated google account info as well

    • Kip, if you don’t already use it, try CCleaner or just try emptying your cookies folder.

      If you use AdBlock Plus with the Chrome browser you will get no ads at all.

  2. what is it with Russian missile guidance? Norwegians might say this story is a case of “allerede sett”

      • Russians are tough guys Daisy-cakes-Helsinki, and do not need you to protect them from a joke that was not even aimed at them, but at us…they would tell you to fuck off. And I’m sure everyone else here would agree. Go back to the NYTs where you can read up on what you are permitted to say and think in case you are out of touch with the latest group think. Weirdo.

      • I agree, we should replace “Russians” with “people”. Badoom Tish ! Thank you, thank you, I’ll be here all week.

        “Mark – Helsinki” : still in The Matrix ? so sad to see.

    • Hey Bob, actually the Russians haven’t fallen for the goober CO2 ‘science,’ but Soviet era population mind control included plenty of alien stories…don’t know much about it but clearly some mud has stuck because out in the old-soviet boonies they still think everything unusual is caused by extra-terrestrials.
      But your humorous point poking fun at us is valid, I know some Russians, Ukrainians, Poles etc. and they are typically tough guys who like a drink and don’t suffer fools gladly. If a pasty faced socialist twerp tried to tell them what they can say or think they would soon be sporting a newly thickened ear.
      Just my types, I should move there as Australia is now no place for real men either as we are in the grip of socialistic zombie-think to a similar extent as the US.
      There seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel at last now, and much of that is due to the pressure you people here and similar, bring to bear on the lying classes….and I want to thank you all for that. We were headed down a very dangerous path, still is very dangerous, but I’m beginning to think we will win this sucker now. Make sure you vote in the midterms!
      Thanks again, Bill.

      • Read “Disinformation” by Lt Gen Ion Mihai Pacepa. The CO2 nonsense is a direct result of decades of Soviet programs directed against the West and intended to demoralize the population in the sense that most Westerners cannot use fact-based reasoning any more. The WUWTers are the exception.

  3. I see there is already plenty of snow on the ground in some of those photgraphs, and it’s not even November yet. I expect global warming doesn’t carry much currency in such places.

    • Halloween provides for good test of whether the climate has really changed.

      Everyone remembers the weather on Halloween since as kids, we were out in it and as adults we make note of it for some reason.

      There is no change in my opinion. What about where you live.

      • I’m with you there, Bill. In southwestern IL where I’ve always lived, we were often trick-or-treating without coats in the 60’s. I also remember freezing in a marching band uniform during the Alton Halloween parade one year of high school and sweating my @ss off another year. It has always depended on that fickle early fall weather.

      • “Teenagers from Outer Space” A great example of a low budget, 1950s style, B sci-fi movie (as one reviewer put it). Also, “the flaws are so numerous they can’t be counted.” It’s still more fun than worrying about Russian UFO attacks.


      • or a eeewwwww Humans policy

        Timeless classic Terry Bisson

        “They’re made out of meat.”


        “Meat. They’re made out of meat.”


        “There’s no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They’re completely meat.”

        “That’s impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?”

        “They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don’t come from them. The signals come from machines.”

        “So who made the machines? That’s who we want to contact.”

        “They made the machines. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. Meat made the machines.”

        “That’s ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You’re asking me to believe in sentient meat.”

        “I’m not asking you, I’m telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they’re made out of meat.”

        “Maybe they’re like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage.”

        “Nope. They’re born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn’t take long. Do you have any idea what’s the life span of meat?”

        “Spare me. Okay, maybe they’re only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside.”

        “Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They’re meat all the way through.”

        “No brain?”

        “Oh, there’s a brain all right. It’s just that the brain is made out of meat! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.”

        “So … what does the thinking?”

        “You’re not understanding, are you? You’re refusing to deal with what I’m telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat.”

        “Thinking meat! You’re asking me to believe in thinking meat!”

        “Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?”

        “Omigod. You’re serious then. They’re made out of meat.”

        “Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they’ve been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years.”

        “Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?”

        “First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual.”

        “We’re supposed to talk to meat.”

        “That’s the idea. That’s the message they’re sending out by radio. ‘Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.’ That sort of thing.”

        “They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?”
        “Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat.”

        “I thought you just told me they used radio.”

        “They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat.”

        “Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?”

        “Officially or unofficially?”


        “Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing.”

        “I was hoping you would say that.”

        “It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?”

        “I agree one hundred percent. What’s there to say? ‘Hello, meat. How’s it going?’ But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?”

        “Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can’t live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact.”

        “So we just pretend there’s no one home in the Universe.”

        “That’s it.”

        “Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You’re sure they won’t remember?”

        “They’ll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we’re just a dream to them.”

        “A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat’s dream.”

        “And we marked the entire sector unoccupied.”

        “Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?”

        “Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again.”

        “They always come around.”

        “And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone …”

  4. Yes, a giant CO2 bubble sounds about right. Al Gore was nearby, and he belched, which caused this awesome release of the gas. Subsequently, the bubble “trapped heat” from the city, in a display of a heat-island effect heretofore unknown.

    I don’t believe in aliens visiting Earth [why would they bother], and so this is the only other explanation I can think of. (^_^)

  5. Get ready for the above ground test of an H-bomb by NK out over the Pacific, within a year. The last test below ground blew up part of their test facility.

  6. Posting this article is direct evidence that the circle jerk of science rejectionists (notice non-usage of the “D-word” which accurately describes the majority of commenters) live in la-la land.
    This blog used to be science oriented.

    • Ha!!
      Friday night fun with the results of 8 years of the Worst Ever President.

      Yeah I think Trump is a jerk, a egotist, … but I wake-up every morning thanking God that President Hillary or (far worse) President Sanders is not reality and will never, never, never happen.

      The Left doesn’t think their innate, structural lies are seen or that they matter. They do.
      The Democrats are lost until they stop lying. About climate. About the economy. About the national debt. About everything.

      • Only took 9 months for the current POTUS to be in the running for “Worst Ever President”
        Toss up between him and his predecessor for the “honor” of worst ever.

        • Surely there are enough old farts who remember Jimmy Carter, who was arguably worse than Obama or Nixon.

      • The only way to pay for a national debt in excess of $20T is to grow the economy at GDP +4%/yr.
        No matter who is President.

        Democrats with their special interest-driven regs and taxes make sure sure it only grows at < 2%/yr to pay-off those spec interest campaign bribers.

        Cutting corporate taxes and regulations can make the US GDP grow at +3%. That scare the bejeezers out of Dems because it shows they are corrupt enablers of the swamp.

      • joel – no one is going to
        be paying off any national
        debt — which is only $16 t, btw,
        not $20 t.

        we’ll continue to carry the debt, at
        what is not a large cost, and let
        inflation eat away at it every year.

        maybe after trump is done it’ll be
        way out of hand. but now it is not.
        republicans could well ruin that,
        despite all their false pretensions
        about concern for debt

      • This old greybeard granddad remembers. James E Carter is no longer our worst president in my lifetime. That ‘honor’ goes to Barry O. Trump is the best president in my lifetime, edging out RWR, aka Ronaldus Maximus. Third best was Ike.

      • Mark,

        That’s close enough to doubling for government work.

        Quite an achievement, though, close to equaling in eight years what it took the prior 220 years to accumulate!

      • Jaak,
        Mark clearly is enamored with leftist climate science, that kind of science that is a religious belief, sans skepticism.
        Mark’s science is that which kowtows to the political winds for grants and fame. Mark doesn’t see that nature will kick the leftist science in its proverbial balls in the next few years with a huge dose of reality that doesn’t depend on climate models.

    • Mark S Johnson: Science starts with observation, then theory to explain it. Something was observed in Siberia, what was it? An aurora borealis combined with a Russian rocket is the proffered explanation. OK, how did these two combine to produce the posted pictures? We embrace science here. Start thinking.

  7. Some Morons here think that Kansas is indicative of the US economy on taxes.

    The US corporate tax rate is the highest in the industrialized 1st World.
    Thank you Mr. Eff-n Socialist-Islamist Obama. (Yes, some of know what you are Mr Obama and are not afraid to say it).

    International corporations make real, cold hard calculated decisions based on actual tax rates. Duh…
    As they are now….
    Their capital and their profits earned overseas, stay overseas. Not invested. Not taxed.

    China, and the EU are investment wastelands also at the moment. The opportunity is now…. for bringing that capital back to the US and watching the US economy kick some real ass in terms of economic growth.

    Go Mr. Trump!

    • Joel, deductions, exemptions, exclusions and credits makke the US effective tax rates lower than other countries.
      “Supply side economics” has never worked. The only thing the Laffer curve evokes is LAUGHTER!!!!

      • Corporations look at everything, and yes, some get special exemptions. But overall Tax rates matter.

        And exemptions and deductions can be taken away or can be minimal year-to-year based on depreciation rule changes. Learn your tax code Mark.

        The Dems lie when they say it (US corporate tax rates) don’t matter. They do.

      • Joel, deductions, exemptions, exclusions and credits makke the US effective tax rates lower than other countries.


        “CBO estimates that the U.S. effective corporate tax rate overall was essentially unchanged between 2003 and 2012. In 2003, the U.S. rate ranked fifth among those of the G20 countries, and it followed Japan’s, Argentina’s, Canada’s, and Germany’s. In 2012, the U.S. rate ranked fourth, and it followed Argentina’s, Japan’s, and the United Kingdom’s.”


      • Sy,

        US is unique in taxing profits from overseas operations.

        This is idiotic and explains why so many US companies have subsidiaries abroad which keep corporate profits from being reinvested here.

      • Gabro:

        No doubt.

        Taxing any corporation at the federal level is the ultimate in regressive taxation…corporations never pay federal taxes, rather, end consumers do. The same is true for most other types of tax wherever possible.

        (For those of you in Rio Linda, “end consumers” are we, the people of these United States)

        I’m constantly flabbergasted by the contradiction of those ignorant fools who would “soak the rich” (meaning corporations) given they’re only soaking themselves…


      • sy computing, if ” the U.S. rate ranked fifth…” then there are four OTHERS with higher effective rates.
        PS sy computing, progressive rates dependent on income levels in fact “soak the rich”

      • Crackers,

        Sy is right. Corporations never pay taxes. Consumers do. Taxes are always passed on to consumers, except in the rare instances of price controls.

      • No crackers, they don’t spend their hard-earned capital on “an army of lawyers” to deal with this particular issue…this would be extremely irrational. Rather, they simply pass the tax on to the end consumer as a cost of doing business.

        At least the federal tax for sure (since everyone has to pay it) and then any (or as much of any) others (i.e., state, local, etc.) they can without harming their competitive standing in the marketplace.

      • wrongo. many corps pay 0% taxes:

        Wonderful! Perhaps they didn’t have to pass on that cost to any of the poor that purchase their products!

        If only we’d make sure that happened all the time…

      • I lived through that, by the way, the 60s cut, the 80s cut and the 00s cut; with the last one being the least effective because it was the smallest effective rate cut. Yes, despite the leftist indoctrination, the Laffer curve is correct and supply side economics works every time it is tried; unlike socialism, which fails every time it is tried.

        Something that people who own and operate businesses know very well is that *no* business pays taxes. Owners, operators (employees) and customers pay taxes. All that you’re doing by the ‘taxing’ and regulations are also taxes; is making business less successful or innovative, or both. Oh, by the way, profit today is job tomorrow.

        • All that you’re doing by the ‘taxing’ and regulations are also taxes; is making business less successful or innovative, or both.

          I would argue it’s much more sinister than that cdquarles…what’s also happening in this case is the poor are being regressively taxed against the rich for those products the corporation offers to both in the marketplace.

          An hilarious irony in one way, in that it is (yet another) contradiction of the Left’s belief system. Their “morality” in soaking the rich is shown to be immoral in that the poor are the one’s who end up paying at least some of the imposed taxes on the rich.

          As to the rest of those taxes, well the other income classes have to pay for this irrational foolishness as well.

      • The 2002 Bush Jr. tax rates didn’t result in the 2008 housing mortgage bubble burst.

        Former Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA) is almost single-handedly responsible of the housing mortgage bubble and its burst in 2008-09 on FannyMae and FreddieMac. Barney Frank can not escape history. His culpability is known.

      • Causes of the credit crunch of 2007-09 were, in order of importance:
        1) The subprime slime required by Rubin and Clinton in order to accept deregulation and pushed through by Frank in House and Dodd in Senate;
        2) The deregulation itself, ie repeal of Glass-Steagall separating mortgage lending from investment banking, supported by both Ds and Rs, which by itself wouldn’t have cause the collapse, and
        3) Transfer of 500 FBI agents from bank fraud to anti-terrorism after 9/11 by Bush, without their being replaced by Congress.
        But far and away the Democrat subprime slime was the cause, with the other factors along for the ride.
        That’s it in a nutshell, but I could elaborate.

      • To his credit, early in his administration, Bush did try to rein in Fannie and Freddie, but Frank’s then live-in BF (whom Frank called his “husband”) was head of Fannie (!), which would never have been allowed had they actually been married.

      • Thanks Gabro,

        Democrat Congressman Barney’s “help” to FannyMae’s and FreddieMac’s financial malfeasance is very well documented in the historical record.

        Tax cuts did not crash the 2009 economy as the quote dishonest MarkS Johnson suggests. No one of any intellectual acumen has suggested that.

        What caused the 2009-2010 banking collapse was 4 years of overleveraging and speculative investing in subprime mortgage-based bonds. Period. Stop.
        Barney Frank (D-MA) takes center stage in that fiasco. He quit Congress because his internal D supporters knew he was culpable and he had to leave.

      • Joel,

        My summary of what caused the credit crunch is still under moderation, but it dates from 1998, when the Clinton Administration, Dodd, Frank and also GOP members of Congress repealed Glass-Steagall, but to go along, Democrats insisted on the subprime slime.

      • Crackers,

        Well, Lincoln was a statist war-monger and what the French call a sacred monster, but America managed to correct his statism for some decades after the War of Northern Aggression, until Wilson.

      • Gabro,
        I completely agree that the Gang of 3 Republicans + Clinton 1998 repeal of Glass-Steagal was at root cause of subsequent events.

        But by late 2004 into 2005, it was evident (to insiders) that the housing mortgage bubble was growing based purely on speculative trading of sub-prime mortgage-based derivatives. Bush Jr and his weak-ass minions tried to rein it in. B Frank pushed back hard with his spec interests lobby. A weak GW. Bush Jr. caved, And the rest is history.

      • Joel,

        Even before then, the Bush Admin tried to rein in the public-private lenders. Bush’s short-lived first SecTres made it his mission, but got nowhere because of Democrat controlled Congress.

        Banks were the true constituency of lackeys like Dodd and Frank. They did their master’s bidding, and Frank even got his BF a plum position due to his power.

      • Mark S Johnson October 27, 2017 at 10:04 pm

        You have truly drunk the Kool-Aid.

        Clearly, you’ve never studied history.

        Those panics, recessions and depressions which have occurred under GOP presidencies resulted from the idiotic policies of their Democrat predecessors, as with the 2007-09 subprime slime.

        But plenty of economic downturns have also happened during Democrat administrations, resulting from the policies of Democrat presidents and Congresses.

        Consider the Panic of 1893, which happened on Cleveland’s watch and led to the realignment which elected McKinley and led to TR’s reforms.

        Then there was the Panic of 1837, the financial crisis that touched off a major recession which lasted until the mid-1840s, and led to Whig victories. Milton Friedman rightly pointed out that this panic saved the US from a stagnant statist system and made free private enterprise possible, thanks to the failure of a national bank.

        You really ought to study economic history before presuming to comment upon it.

      • joelobryan October 27, 2017 at 9:11 pm
        “The 2002 Bush Jr. tax rates didn’t result in the 2008 housing mortgage bubble burst.”

        the lack of Bush admin
        regs ensured the 2008
        financial meltdown

      • History shows that when BHO and the Dems controlled the economy it never got airborne. Huge Taxes and regulations thrown around the economy as yokes.

        It’s Kinda hard to crash a limping, grounded economy… as Obama promised he would do with energy.

      • Bush’s deficits weren’t a pimple on the posterior of Obama’s.

        Every year during Obama’s misrule, the US added a trillion dollars to the national debt. Obama doubled it in eight years. That’s right. In one maladministration, he added as much debt as in all the prior administrations from Washington to Bush the Younger, ie 1789 to 2009.

      • joelobryan October 27, 2017 at 10:45 pm

        Cracker’s Englishy comments are IMO closer to Yoda-speak if Yoda were a moron than to the iambic pentameter of Elizabethan playwrights.

        But I’m always honored to accept a free dinner from a scholar, gentleman and proud wearer of the uniform of our republic.

    • sy computing, if ” the U.S. rate ranked fifth…” then there are four OTHERS with higher effective rates.

      Yes Mark, but it *is* the G20, hence, that means 15 “OTHERS” have lower effective rates does it not?

    • According to Leftists, government reducing discretionary income increases monetary flow.


      Leftists also love manipulating facts. “Minimum wage increases jobs!”
      Seattle restaurants lose 900 jobs.

      The economy grows when not restricted via taxation. Leftists don’t want that. How else to pay for programs that should never be publicly funded?

      All income taxation is theft. If 100% of your labor taken from you is slavery, why isn’t 15% called slavery? How free do you think you are besides being a wage slave to fund government largesse? You will never even own your own house: property taxes not paid, house taken.

      You think there’s not enough or high enough taxation? I’ve worked for the Treasury. My god people just don’t know, not even those that are for reducing taxes. For those that actually read this: Start thinking at the base level, not just the end point, e.g. sales taxes. And every step-level that product took being made to be sold to you was taxed.

      We’re paying close to 55-70% in tax in America. We just don’t see it; similar to gas taxes being incorporated into the final price, rather than at purchase.

      I’m proud another Commenter knows what I know:


  8. Mark,
    I can assure you that you are out-gunned on both IQ and facts.
    Quit now is your best option.
    Press-on if you must for ego.

      • Wharton is good, give them their due.
        But biz schools don’t teach logical, analytics, hard maths, and memory like engineering does.

        But you Mark, do not understand you are outgunned. Facts, history recall, IQ.
        Again, as a chess play analogy, I suggest you withdraw now.
        But If not, Bring It…. if your ego can’t let go.

      • Mark apparently wants to brag about Obama’s and Democrat’s sub-2% GDP growth for the 8 years … and then use that as some sort of standard for a 1st World country with a 2.5% population growth rate.

    • crackers,
      You apparently didn’t leave the 11th grade with your iambic pentameter ways.
      but now, Please grow up and have adult conversations.

  9. I used to treat Southern California to this kind of thing twice a year, when I worked on the Peacekeeper (MX) missile, and saw a good many Minuteman launches from all the way in down in San Bernardino. For something that happened a few times a year, residents never failed to be taken aback by it.

    Wasn’t Topol the guy who played in Fiddler on the Roof? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiEoJWd6ZLXAhVB7yYKHcMwA4QQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Fname%2Fnm0867694%2F&psig=AOvVaw2ebQtQw9778yyoJpG9bEit&ust=1509263074882894

    • Yes, Chaim Topol played Tevye.

      “Topol” means “white poplar tree” in Russian, but I don’t know if the family name be Russian.

      The difference between launching from Plesetsk rather than Vandenberg is that the fireball travels across the Eurasian continent instead of going out to sea.

  10. Mark S Johnson October 27, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    If my memory serves me well, Clinton signed a non proliferation pact with Nth Korea which many commentators thought weak and toothless. It was a month or two after that Kim exploded his first bomb after several failures.

    • Yes, Clinton signed an agreement in 1994 to end the Nork nuke program which everyone knew Kim would promptly break.

      The Norks did their early testing in Pakistan.

      • Not only did they promptly break it, we paid them a billion dollars in aid and shipped them several million tons of diesel and coal. Yea, Billy Jeff certainly taught them were the buck sh*ts in the wheat.

  11. I surmise that after the boost phase was done the remaining fuel, which must have been liquid, was dumped into space producing an expanding gas cloud. Something like that happened several times during the 1970-ies after launches in one of the post-Apollo programs. I saw it twice from my native Netherlsnds and once from South America.

  12. Whatever model is was supposed to be does not demonstrate that this weird looking “cloud” was in fact the trail of a missile launch of any kind.

    This is about as credible a righting it off as being sunlight reflected off meteo helium balloon .

    Having no knowledge of the appearance of a time-space portal I’ll have to defer judgement on that and other wild ideas but some needs to explain how a missile could produce this rather than just saying “because missile”.

    • OK, 99.9% of this thread seems to be OT politics diatribes. I guess there’s no point in expecting scientific discussion any more.

      • I agree, I would have liked an explanation of how the rocket caused this effect. The article didn’t say and the comments were irrelevant.

      • Well, it’s simply vortices.

        If you smoke, or ever seen a smoker, especially exhaling by sun rays, you’d not be questioning why you see what you do.

        And not everything has been politics. There’s been jokes, E.T. discussions, economic discussions… and since this actually involves geopolitics (ICBMs) of course political.

        Off topic is discussing The Wiggles.

  13. The fat little twirp in North Korea is threatening the US/et al, with an airburst test of an H-bomb over the South Pacific. The news of this was posted a couple of days ago.
    He had one big BOOM! on Sept. 22, an underground test which was recorded as a 6.3M quake on a USGS seismic network set up to detect these things. There were also two landslides on the mountain where he does his nuke bomb testing.
    The guesstimate was that it was a 500 Kiloton detonation, outperforming his previous explosions.
    So when his prime minister stool pigeon says ‘take it seriously’, I think we should. It could explain why Putin authorized this particular test, and why he’s built a lovely mansion on the Black Sea with an entrance that implies it’s a fallout shelter.

    • The highest estimate I saw was “in excess of 300 kT”. That’s still pretty big and clearly thermonuclear.

      The fireball from a 300 kT detonation is about a mile in diameter. Thus, in order to minimize fallout from incorporating seawater into the fireball, the detonation height would have to be at least half a mile above the surface.

      If both the missile and H-bomb work, then Kim will indeed pose a grave threat both of EMP and of devastating explosive power against US, Korean and Japanese civilian and military targets. And to the whole world, since Kim will sell his WMDs to anyone with hard currency.

      China appears unwilling and/or unable to rein in its client. Diplomacy looks to fail. Choosing to live with Nork nukes or to go to war are both bad choices. But maybe preparing for war will encourage a diplomatic solution, one hopes better than Clinton’s of 1994.

      1) Evacuate ten million people from northern Seoul and its suburbs, those in range of Nork artillery and rockets.

      2) Evacuate foreign civilians, such as US service members’ families.

      3) Call up RoK’s two million or more reservists.

      4) Activate at least six US Army National Guard brigades.

      5) Reconstitute the armored brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division, downsized in 2015.

      6) Move its other two brigades from Ft. Lewis, WA to Korea.

      7) Get all 1200 most advanced M1 tanks headed toward the peninsula as brigade equipment sets afloat.

      8) Keep at least two carrier strike groups and amphibious ready groups off each coast.

      9) Let Kim know that nukes make him more vulnerable, not less. Assure him that he is about to be vaporized if he doesn’t end his program and consent to international monitoring.

      10) If he still says no, then let there be war. It needn’t be nuclear, given US precision conventional weaponry.

  14. Vasily Zubkov said: ‘I went out to smoke a cigarette and thought it was the end of the world.’
    Even in Russia, you can’t smoke inside ?
    What is this world coming too ? 🙂

    • Ironically I just commented about smokers.

      The smell is grotesque and it yellows the walls (and inside cars, lingers). And smoking outside is more enjoyable than being cooped up inside staring into the T.V. like a zombie!

  15. I did search of this post to see if anyone mentions Rocket Man’s potential for an EMP attack as reported earlier this week.
    Just get over the idea of a conventional nuclear attack and now you have to worry about an electro magnetic pulse. yikes
    In the current state of affairs, (see below) I would rather see a Russian alliance … on certain matters…

    “North Korean EMP Attack Would Cause Mass U.S. Starvation, Says Congressional Report”


    The North Korean Axis of Middle East Proliferation

    Norks involved in the Middle Eastern region, two chemical weapons shipments found headed for Syria in the last 6 months. Axis of Evil Iran, N. Korea, Syria. Should include Egypt as there was a weapons shipment bound for them as well from N. Korea. Collusion with other N. African countries too, go figure…

    The largest anti-sematic groups in the world are of Middle Eastern descent, Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran…etc…

    The rise of the center-right and far-right in Europe and America…..

    Foreign Fighters and the Threat of Returnees
    OCTOBER 2017

    Tunnels at the U.S. Mexican border, over 200 found since 1990’s.

    “It is often a simple price-performance tradeoff. If the smuggler has a million pounds of drugs to move — or a million pounds of illegal aliens from Afghanistan — then a tunnel can be a low cost solution. If the contraband to be smuggled is of tremendous value — for example a key terrorist or a nuclear weapon — then a tunnel is probably the best choice.”

    The Who – Won’t Get Fooled Again

    • Under Putin, Russia doesn’t want an alliance with the US. Under Yeltsin, Russia was offered NATO membership, but rejected it, thanks to Clinton’s war against Serbia.

      Putin not only doesn’t want to ally with the West. He wants to destroy America.

      • Yes. Unfortunately. It would be much better to capture him alive, hand over to Korean authorities for a fair trial for mass and serial murder, torture, kidnapping, theft on the grandest scale, serial rape, statutory rape, pedophilia, sexual abuse, treason, bribery and crimes against humanity, then be strung up by his heels, Mussolini-style, to be beaten to death with baseball bats by his victims’ families.

      • I think any attempt to capture Kim Jung-un would cause the North Koreans to launch their all-out attack, so the U.S. should assume it needs to wipe out Rocket Man’s entire military once the bullets start flying, even a little bit.

        I doubt there will be any small-scale military actions that won’t lead to total war almost instantaneously.

        We could try bombing North Korea’s nuclear and rocket test facilities, but should expect to have to launch a full-scale attack as soon as North Korea reacts militarily.

        I personally would launch the all-out attack first. I wouldn’t give Kim the time to launch his attack. The less time he has, the fewer people will die. If we are going to hit him militarily, then we should hit him with everything we have as soon as the decision is made that Kim needs to go.

        Perhaps China would seek to avoid this outcome by reigning in Kim, but if they don’t, Trump will eventually have to destroy North Korea’s abiility to make war.

        As for North Korean test facilities being located close to Russian and Chinese territory as a means of deterring the U.S., both Russia and China know the U.S. is not going to attack them, and so they have no reason to commit suicide alongside Kim. If they do decide to commit suicide, the U.S. can oblige them, as we have enough nuclear weapons to destroy all of them, and will, if that becomes necessary.

  16. … but some[one] needs to explain how a missile could produce this rather than just saying “because missile”.

    … my feeling too. How does a missile produce a round cloud? I need more details. Without knowing such details, this explanation is about as credible as my Al-Gore-belching-CO2-bubble-trapping-urban-heat theory.

    A missile did it. Ah, okay, I know that a missile is a flying thingie, and that flying thingies often get confused for alien mother ships, and so I should believe this explanation because it’s about flying thingies that confuse people’s perceptions.

    Not. I need more.

    • Three forward deployed could indicate planning a war.

      But three in the Pacific could just mean one on station, one leaving station and one coming on station. Plus of course the one we have based in Japan.

  17. That one was easy. That’s the the gaseous cloud left for a short time whenever a star ship goes to warp. See it every day on Star Trek.

  18. From spaceweather.com:
    RUSSIAN WAR GAMES SPARK ‘BLUE AURORAS’: Around the Arctic Circle, people see green auroras almost every night. It’s nothing to write home about. Blue auroras, on the other hand, are very unusual. That’s why this photo taken on Oct. 26th by Oliver Wright in Abisko, Sweden, is so remarkable:


    “It was totally blue,” says Wright, a veteran aurora tour guide who has witnessed hundreds of geomagnetic storms. “I’ve never seen anything quite like it!” In Tromso, Norway, Daniel Drelciuc saw it, too–“a big blue mass next to the classic green aurora,” he says.

    In auroras, blue is a sign of nitrogen. Energetic particles striking ionized molecular nitrogen (N2+) at very high altitudes can produce a cold azure glow, most often seen during intense geomagnetic storms. On Oct. 26th, however, geomagnetic activity was not intense….


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