Guardian: Climate Scientists are Not Just In it for the Money

The Cray ecoplex NOAA GAEA supercomputer used for modeling. Gaea was funded by a $73 million American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009 investment through a collaborative partnership between NOAA and the Department of Energy.

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The Guardian has posted an article defending climate scientists against accusations they’re just grant money grubbing liars.

The idea that climate scientists are in it for the cash has deep ideological roots

Graham Readfearn

Author and academic Nancy MacLean says cynicism about the motives of public servants, including government-backed climate scientists, can be traced to a group of neoliberals and their ‘toxic’ ideas

You’ll have heard that line of argument about cancer scientists, right?

The one where they’re just in it for the government grant money and that they don’t really want to find a cure, because if they did they’d be out of a job?

No, of course you haven’t. That’s because it’s ridiculous and a bit, well, vomit-inducing.

To make such an argument, you would need to be deeply cynical about people’s motives for consistently putting their own pay packets above the welfare of millions of people.

You would have to think that scientists were not motivated to help their fellow human beings, but instead were driven only by self-interest.

Suggesting that climate scientists are pushing a line about global warming because their salaries depend on it is a popular talking point that deniers love to throw around.

But why do so many “sceptics”, particularly those who form part of the organised machinery of climate science denial, feel comfortable in accusing climate scientists of only being in it for the money?

Duke University history professor Nancy MacLean suggests some answers in her new book Democracy in Chains: the Deep History of the Radical Right’s Stealth Plan for America.

The book documents how wealthy conservatives, in particular petrochemical billionaire Charles Koch, teamed up with neoliberal academics with the objective, MacLean says, of undermining the functions of government in the United States.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2017/sep/15/the-idea-that-climate-scientists-are-in-it-for-the-cash-has-deep-ideological-roots

There are some intriguing examples of rapid enrichment through climate grants, such as the Shukla’s gold story, in which Shukla and his wife made hundreds of thousands of dollars every year working part time for their climate foundation. But the overall impression I received from reading the Climategate emails is one of out of control groupthink – a frenzied effort to shut down opposing points of view, tone down adverse findings, to keep the narrative “tidy”.

For example, Climate Scientist Keith Briffa’s infamous 1999 letter to Micheal Mann and others;

Climategate Email 0938018124.txt;

… I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple. We don’t have a lot of proxies that come right up to date and those that do (at least a significant number of tree proxies ) some unexpected changes in response that do not match the recent warming. I do not think it wise that this issue be ignored in the chapter.

For the record, I do believe that the proxy data do show unusually warm conditions in recent decades. I am not sure that this unusual warming is so clear in the summer responsive data. I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1000 years ago.

Source: Wikileaks

The medical analogy chosen by The Guardian author is interesting. Medical research is riddled with scandalous cases of scientific misconduct. D.G Altman’s famous study of medical research failures is still as applicable today as it was when Altman wrote his critique in 1994.

The following from the British Medical Journal;

Richard Smith: Medical research—still a scandal

January 31, 2014

Twenty years ago this week the statistician Doug Altman published an editorial in the BMJ arguing that much medical research was of poor quality and misleading. In his editorial entitled, “The Scandal of Poor Medical Research,” Altman wrote that much research was “seriously flawed through the use of inappropriate designs, unrepresentative samples, small samples, incorrect methods of analysis, and faulty interpretation.” Twenty years later I fear that things are not better but worse.

Most editorials like most of everything, including people, disappear into obscurity very fast, but Altman’s editorial is one that has lasted. I was the editor of the BMJ when we published the editorial, and I have cited Altman’s editorial many times, including recently. The editorial was published in the dawn of evidence based medicine as an increasing number of people realised how much of medical practice lacked evidence of effectiveness and how much research was poor. Altman’s editorial with its concise argument and blunt, provocative title crystallised the scandal.

Why, asked Altman, is so much research poor? Because “researchers feel compelled for career reasons to carry out research that they are ill equipped to perform, and nobody stops them.” In other words, too much medical research was conducted by amateurs who were required to do some research in order to progress in their medical careers.

Ethics committees, who had to approve research, were ill equipped to detect scientific flaws, and the flaws were eventually detected by statisticians, like Altman, working as firefighters. Quality assurance should be built in at the beginning of research not the end, particularly as many journals lacked statistical skills and simply went ahead and published misleading research.

“The poor quality of much medical research is widely acknowledged,”  wrote Altman, “yet disturbingly the leaders of the medical profession seem only minimally concerned about the problem and make no apparent efforts to find a solution.”

Read more: http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2014/01/31/richard-smith-medical-research-still-a-scandal/

Despite the problems with medical research, there is a key difference between medicine and climate science; medical science is falsifiable. Medical research results can sometimes be reproduced. People notice if patients keep dying. The worst examples of medical treatments based on defective science are ultimately exposed.

Some courageous doctors have risked their own lives to overturn the consensus, to expose medical mistakes which kill patients. Medical researcher Barry Marshall famously drank a petri dish of H. pylori and gave himself an ulcer, to prove that bacteria cause peptic ulcers. Prior to Barry Marshall’s heroism, efforts to convince the medical community that they were wrong about ulcers were largely ignored. The overwhelming consensus was that ulcers were caused by a high stress lifestyle.

Climate science is not falsifiable in a conventional sense. There is no scientific methodology available to correct mistakes in a reasonable timeframe. The only test of climate models is to wait several decades, to compare model projections with observations.

As Australian climate scientist Sophie Lewis helpfully explained a few weeks ago, It is difficult to propose a test of climate models in advance that is falsifiable. Not that Sophie seems to mind – she thinks Science is complicated – and doesn’t always fit the simplified version we learn as children.

Of course, when those climate models are finally falsified – James Hansen’s 1980s models spectacularly failed to perform – the falsified models are the old models; the new model projections will work better, we promise. After all, they were produced by a more powerful computer.

Given the horrendous state of medical research, despite the availability of scientific checks and balances, there is no mystery why ungovernable climate science is prone to wild flights of fancy.

Update (EW): Pat Frank points there is a means to falsify climate models without waiting several decades. Climate models drastically fail error propagation tests, tests to determine the impact of model errors on the reliability of the climate projections. More information here, Pat Frank’s video presentation of the issue available here

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Sixto
September 18, 2017 10:53 am

Among the worst CACA pushers are Christian clergy and laity, both evangelical, like Hayhoe and Houghton, and mainstream, like the pope and the Church of England.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/12/church-climate-change-investment-great-demon-flooding
http://www.greenfaith.org/programs/environmental-justice/african-american-clergy-open-letter-on-climate-change
And not just Christian denominations:
https://www.israel21c.org/all-faiths-must-unite-to-fight-climate-change-clergy-urge/
OTOH, atheist and agnostic scientists are among the most prominent skeptics, such as Nobel Laureate physicist Ivar Giaever.
But if you want to root out idolatry, you can start with bibliolatry and blasphemous creationism.

Sixto
Reply to  Sixto
September 18, 2017 11:25 am

Which is not to say that CACA isn’t a cult. Like Marxism, it’s basically a Bible-based heresy, with doom being called down upon the cities of the plain and evil, greedy humanity, thanks to original sin.

Sixto
September 18, 2017 11:00 am

Hansen made millions off his sc@m.

Nigel S
Reply to  Sixto
September 18, 2017 2:15 pm

Al hath made his billions …
And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.
http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/great-war-people/memorials/4719-machine-gun-corps-memorial-hyde-park-corner-10-may-1925.html#sthash.phHMPNUm.dpbs

knr
September 18, 2017 11:48 am

Question , how many climate ‘scientists’ would do it for free , after all they are ‘saving the planet ‘ and it is the ‘most important thing ever ‘ or so we are told so surely given this they be willing to make a little self sacrifice.
The answer is of course not one , indeed some like Dr Doom have done nicely out of it , while others like Mann have seen the type of career a third rate academic such as himself could only dream about in any other area.
And in one way who can blame them , its easy money , no real work required , no actual need for scientific integrate or hard academic work . Stick a few numbers in a model , don’t like the results keep doing the same until you get the ‘right answer ‘ and you can push out any old rubbish and as long as it tows the party line it is straight through ‘peer review ‘ . Bloody easy life , good money and lots of free travel, so you can see why its attracts so many third raters who otherwise could not get a job.

Bruce
September 18, 2017 11:51 am

Because skeptics are primarily motivated by greed and selfish concerns and impugn their own motivations on others.

Sixto
Reply to  Bruce
September 18, 2017 12:00 pm

Please explain how climate skeptics are motivated by greed. The vast majority who comment here have no economic investment in fossil fuels.
I impugn no one, but all the evidence shows that “climate scientists” are shameless liars, whatever their motives might be.

Roger Knights
September 18, 2017 11:54 am

The meme that there would have to be a massive conspiracy is a straw man. People who do research for a living are going to go where the money is. The human capacity for rationalization when money is involved should never be underestimated.

“Follow the money — perhaps a conspiracy is unnecessary where a carrot will suffice.”
—Paul Vaughan (07:53:54)

Sixto
Reply to  Roger Knights
September 18, 2017 12:19 pm

That’s true, but it’s also true that there is a conspiracy. It was known before the Climategate emails, but they showed it beyond any shadow of a doubt.
You can argue about the motivations of the conspirators, but that there is a conspiracy is not in doubt.

Reply to  Sixto
September 18, 2017 4:49 pm

David Rothschild was quoted publicly stating that climate change was not about the environment. It is about global governance. I doubt there are many climate scientists publishing in support of that or even aware that is what this is really about.
Alarmists like to argue that in order for AGW to be false everyone would have to be in on the conspiracy. That is not how conspiracies work. Useful idiots are bought with money, favors and a compelling reason why what they are doing is important. Saving the planet and sticking it to big oil have enabled rationalizations by many activist scientists.

NZ Willy
September 18, 2017 12:15 pm

Follow the sex — left-wing women who have affairs with politicians / scientists are highly influential. Once you’ve got a taste of the honey it’s mighty hard to stop — you’ll shift your convictions if necessary.

sy computing
Reply to  NZ Willy
September 18, 2017 12:54 pm

The tide has turned.
Help, I Can’t Stop Hooking Up With Trump Supporters
https://www.glamour.com/story/hooking-up-with-trump-voters-essay

LdB
September 18, 2017 1:25 pm

I love some radical leftist claiming it’s all some radical right fault. It’s the same as her other two books trying to scapegoat the right to fluff her leftist ego. So we have a biased lying historian/sociologist entering the climate debate, she fits right in.

JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 1:48 pm

Mr. Readfearn writes;
“You would have to think that scientists were not motivated to help their fellow human beings, but instead were driven only by self-interest.”
Nope, you’d just have to think that scientists are human, and that all humans tend to be self interested, which is to say “corruptible” under the right circumstances . . (with some humans being downright narcissistic, and hence corruptible under just about any circumstances ; )
Mr. Readfearn does not seem to have any problem at all with that basic concept, as evidenced by his accusatory treatment of “climate deniers”;
“But why do so many “sceptics”, particularly those who form part of the organised machinery of climate science denial, feel comfortable in accusing climate scientists of only being in it for the money?”
And this (loaded) question leads to the “suggestion” that people are corruptible after all . . though apparently just some people . . fortuitously not including these writers, public servants, or climate scientists . . And it comes down to some “toxic” ideas, apparently involving the potential inclusion of folks like these writers, public servants, and climate scientists, in the corruptible class of humans . . and a secret plot kinda dealeo, to sneak that toxic idea into young impressionable minds . . who wander out of their designated safe spaces I guess ; )

JimG1
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 4:34 pm

Self interest is why capitalism works and socialism/communism does not. History proves this quite well. It is also why private enterprise in a capitalistic system works and government not so much while governments all tend towards fascism/crony capitalism. See “communist” China and/or the USA. Look where they started and where each is now.

Chris Hanley
September 18, 2017 2:30 pm

“You’ll have heard that line of argument about cancer scientists, right? The one where they’re just in it for the government grant money and that they don’t really want to find a cure, because if they did they’d be out of a job? …”.
===================================
Obviously a false analogy, climate hysterics of Readfearn’s intellectual caliber constantly employ the full panoply of logical fallacies.
The fundamentals of IPCC science haven’t progressed in 26 years despite billions wasted directly plus opportunity costs.
Settled Science™ doesn’t need any further investigation or funding.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Chris Hanley
September 18, 2017 3:06 pm

I’m not suggesting that Readfearn and his ilk use logically fallacious arguments cynically or knowingly, I’m sure they are completely unaware of it.

RCS
September 18, 2017 2:39 pm

I cannot understand the obsession with Griff. He appears to have a thought disorder but every time he appears on WUWT, he has a massive fanbase (!) trying to convince him of the error of his ways rather than discussing anything remotely sensible.
Why bother with Griff?

JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 3:15 pm

Sixto (and readers in general),
If someone tells you Jesus Christ is not their Lord, you can pretty much be certain they are telling you the truth, since Jesus said he would deny those who deny him, so actual “believers” are not going to tend very strongly not to deny he is Lord . . as evidenced by very many Christians who went to their (often gruesome) deaths rather than deny Christ.
On the other hand, if someone tells you Jesus Christ is their Lord, you can’t be at all certain they are telling you the truth . . could just be trying to impress or fit in, or even be “wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing” . . Additionally, the Book warns very clearly of false preachers and false doctrines (definitely) arising, so there’s no easy way to even know if a person (or denomination) is Legit, so to speak.
On the face of it, the CAGW is a silly idea to a person who believes God Created the world “to be inhabited” by us, and left vast amounts of extremely handy fuels all over the place. Trying to pass this crap off as something Christians are prone to believe, is weak in the extreme, to my mind. Trying to pass it off as something atheists/non-believers are going to have much inherent resistance to accepting is just plain goofy, to me. There’s nothing in the way . .

JohnKnight
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 4:11 pm

PS ~ I can’t think of a dumber strategic move that someone who actually desires for the CAGW train to be slowed/stopped could make, than to alienate/insult the majority of Americans . . so, I naturally suspect Sixto is a fifth columnist here to make “climate skeptics” seem like anti-christian bigots (basic divide and conquer stuff) . . Don’t be dumb now, folks ; )

Tom Halla
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 5:13 pm

Actually, John, your beliefs on creationism have been treated rather well on this site. Most rather religious people, including myself, are not your particular flavor of biblical literalism .
You are fairly reasonable on other issues, so just lighten up.

Sixto
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 5:26 pm

John,
You are wrong on every score.
The majority of Americans do not adhere to your blasphemous cult. More likely that you are a plant to discredit skeptics, tarring us all with the brush of your antiscientific, satanic drivel.
At most, one third of Americans are Young Earth Creationists (much lower among the better educated and influential), and the percentage of those who are persuadable on CACA is much lower. Hence, the only smart play for skeptics is support reality and the und#niable fact of evolution. Along with the educated, YEC belief is also practically nonexistent among the young, so the future belongs to those who accept both science and true religion, rejecting the false religions of CACA and Young Earth Creationism.
Your cult has blinded you to reality. So many here have tried to help you see the truth, but the truth is not in you because the professional, paid liars of the Discovery Institute and other imps of Satan have gotten their hooks into your soul, and will gleefully drag you down to Hell.
I was raised Catholic, not that it matters, but converted to Lutheranism before marrying my wife, who comes from a long line of Lutheran pastors. I can confidently state that I’m a lot more familiar with the Bible and with real Christian theology than you, who have swallowed satanic lies, hook, line and sinker.

JohnKnight
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 8:29 pm

Tom,
“Actually, John, your beliefs on creationism have been treated rather well on this site.”
How would you know?
“Most rather religious people, including myself, are not your particular flavor of biblical literalism .”
How do you know what my “particular flavor of biblical literalism” is?
“You are fairly reasonable on other issues, so just lighten up.”
Well, thanks, I guess . . but I have no idea, since you didn’t say, what you are thinking I was too . . dark, about.

JohnKnight
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 8:49 pm

Sixto,
“You are wrong on every score.”
Color me skeptical ; )
“The majority of Americans do not adhere to your blasphemous cult.”
The majority self identify as Christians, and I really don’t care in the slightest what you (or any human(s) consider blasphemy . . it kinda creeps me out that someone actually thinks I might ; )
“At most, one third of Americans are Young Earth Creationists …”
Makes no difference to me, but if they believe in a Creator God, they are all creationists, by definition.
“Your cult has blinded you to reality.”
Apparently you think I’m a “Young Earth Creationist”, but I’m not, I just don’t rule out the possibility. God is able to make whatever He wishes to, as I see the matter, and that includes making a whole other planet just like ours, tomorrow if He feels like it . . which would be a week old next Tuesday if He did ; )

JohnKnight
Reply to  JohnKnight
September 18, 2017 9:02 pm

PS ~ I consider those who claim to be scientific thinkers, yet consider something no one observed (even in the fossil record sense) to be an undeniable fact, lightweights ; )

kramer
September 18, 2017 3:41 pm

“Democracy in Chains: the Deep History of the Radical Right’s Stealth Plan for America.”
Imagine the tin foil hats flying around if the above book’s title had said:
“Democracy in Chains: the Deep History of the Radical Left’s Stealth Plan for America.”
I’ll have to check the book out to see what evil plan the radical right has for America…

willhaas
September 18, 2017 3:42 pm

Falsify the AGW conjecture and the majoriety of funding will go away because one is left with the conclusion that the climate change we are experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which Mankind has no control. The AGW conjecture depends on the existance of a radiant greenhouse effect but such an effect has not been observed anywhere in the solar system. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction. Hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction. But most “climate scientists” reject the truth because to accept the truth will put them out of a job.

Sceptical lefty
Reply to  willhaas
September 18, 2017 10:52 pm

As others have observed, the AGW conjecture cannot be falsified in the short-to-medium term. The fact that it is thereby disqualified as ‘real’ science is of no importance to the faithful. Any twig, no matter how frail, will do for the display of one’s cherished beliefs.
It must be realised that the truth is essentially unimportant. What counts is the ability to effectively communicate one’s message — black, white or brindled. AGW is practically an ideal source of funding. By the time it has been irrefutably falsified the beneficiaries of this con-job will be dead, retired or sucking on another public teat — perhaps AGC.
Science, generally, is in a truly parlous state. Only those branches strictly regulated by empirical considerations may be regarded as (mostly) inoculated from the epidemic of bullshit that has so thoroughly infected everything else.

Reply to  Sceptical lefty
September 19, 2017 12:24 am

As others have observed, the AGW conjecture cannot be falsified in the short-to-medium term

Sure it can. I did it.
https://micro6500blog.wordpress.com/2016/12/01/observational-evidence-for-a-nonlinear-night-time-cooling-mechanism/
Too many people have zero circuit analytics skills.

September 18, 2017 4:19 pm

You heard the one about the moral super socialists?
The one where theoretical arguments were made about how social reforms needed to be carried out for the good of society. The one where they didn’t really care about the people in the here and now and had to change it for the future of all mankind.
Ahh you think I am talking about climate warmists but I am talking about Karl Marx and his minions that slaughtered millions.
Or how socialist farms were to feed more than the millions they needed to but instead starved millions of people at hand.
So HOW do you ask that we would believe these warmists would claim they were saving the planet but lining there pockets? Because we have seen it many times before!

Matt G
September 18, 2017 4:37 pm

The only test of climate models is to wait several decades, to compare model projections with observations.

This fails also because they are being adjusted often to take into account previous wrongs. Trying to correct previous wrongs doesn’t confirm they were right, until all the wrongs are right. Only until without changing anything and they agree several decades later would there be possibility of being right. Even this could be just coincidence and not confirm for sure. Anything else is thinking they are correcting wrongs while actually not even knowing if they are.
The climate models had already failed for decades so the theory was FALSE.

September 18, 2017 4:40 pm

Consider polar bear scientists, rather than climate specialists, which I wrote about four years ago:
http://polarbearscience.com/2013/11/25/polar-bear-researchers-are-they-protecting-the-bears-or-their-own-jobs/
Arctic research is expensive (and always has been) and long-standing funding issues are at least partly to blame for the fact that after 40 years of research, only two subpopulations (Southern Beaufort and Western Hudson Bay) have good long-term polar bear population data. But even they have gaps in long-term data that appear to come from lack of funding some years.
I concluded that: “Having a designation of “threatened” or “endangered” automatically makes more government funds available for any species: more permanent jobs, more dedicated grant funds and much improved chances of being awarded large research grants.”
This suggests a good reason for the majority of polar bear specialists to be on board with pressing for the notion that polar bears are threatened with extinction due to future effects of global warming, even when it became clear that the response of bears to declining sea ice was NOT as clear-cut as they supposed.
As of 205, the more they insisted that the bears were in peril, the sillier they looked. But they don’t really have a choice now: if they let the global warming meme go there will likely be even less money for research than there was in the 1980s.
It’s not money for extras, for feathering their nests: it’s money for their professional survival.
And I’m absolutely sure they are not the only specialists who absolutely depend on the funding generated by adherence to the global warming blame game.

Derek Colman
September 18, 2017 4:53 pm

I commented on the article yesterday and I also put forward groupthink as the explanation. I also chided the author on the junk science in the last paragraph.

michael hart
September 18, 2017 5:00 pm

“The idea that climate scientists are in it for the cash has deep ideological roots

That is indeed a straw man. Many of them are not scientists at all, and are only in it because it is a source of easy money for them to pursue their first love, politics.
You don’t see many leading biomedical scientists continuously carping on about how their work proves we must dismantle the entire economic and energetic basis of the industrial revolution.
Then we come to the false-equivalence: You also don’t see cancer researchers trying to burnish their subject by comparing it to climate science. It stands on it’s own merits. People know and believe cancer is a problem that needs real solutions/treatments to be developed. By contrast, Climate “scientists” all too frequently appear to be people with a ready-made political solution, forever try to prove that there is a problem. Big difference.
Lastly, incompetent or crooked medical researchers don’t get to continue selling false cures to the public for very long. The company eventually goes bankrupt or they get put in prison, and the worst offenders still only affect a limited number of people for a limited amount of time. By contrast, climate science nakedly and unashamedly targets every person on the planet with their schemes. Yet not one of them has ever been held accountable for the failures of their monolithic “science”. A supposed science that brooks no deviation from the core tenets handed to the populace like Moses coming down the mountain.

michael hart
Reply to  michael hart
September 18, 2017 5:01 pm

“its” not “it’s”

Dave S
September 18, 2017 5:51 pm

Graham Readfearn….. say no more!!!

2hotel9
September 18, 2017 7:19 pm

Yes, climate signintists are only in it for the money, otherwise tracking weather would be their hobby not a cash cow.

High Treason
September 18, 2017 9:23 pm

Fame, Fortune and Funding- 3 big words for scientists of all persuasions. Once they are seduced by the easy money for sprouting climate rubbish, they can not go back until after they retire in many years, by which time society will have collapsed from the weight of the deception.
They know that once they are enmeshed in the web of lies, there is no going back without the risk of being beaten to death by the long suffering People.
We see the classic liars’ tactic-lies to support lies to support lies. Then, eventually the penny drops when it is all getting too ridiculous and you realize it was a load of baloney based on a half truth from day one.
Alas, some people have their pennies welded to them or are just too stupid to see the Emperor is wearing no clothes.
It could make a good research project-what made you see that the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming/ “climate change” thing was a load of baloney and propaganda and how long did it take from first reading about it and presumably initially believing to see it as a load of rubbish. Another part of the study could involve surveying who has looked beyond it being mere garbage to unveil the web of deceit-UN treachery etc.
Take note, climate science is not the only science for hire out there. Dental and medical industries are rife with tainted research.

September 19, 2017 3:29 am

Author and academic Nancy MacLean says cynicism about the motives of public servants, including government-backed climate scientists, can be traced to a group of neoliberals and their ‘toxic’ ideas

The appreciation of academia and also of the public civil service in general has been compromised in my opinion too.
And yes, it can be ear-marked to the government-backed climate scientists due to their anti-mankind missions during the past three decades.
And Nancy your have now declared your hate against people in public and also revealed who you target the most – people defending liberty somehow.
For this reason in my opinion you have a devastating war between your ears. Spare the people around you. Please stop disseminating your inner feelings against groups of people. It’s against the UN declaration of human rights. Seek professional help Nancy.

erastvandoren
September 19, 2017 4:43 am

Another scam with hurricane Maria is on the way. Touted as cat 5 storm by NHC, it is in reality a cat 1-2 hurricane. Buoy 42060 is directly in the path of the storm, until now just 46.6 kts http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42060, with max projected winds 83mph https://www.windy.com/16.428/-63.173?16.298,-63.322,9,m:d6xaepR,a:ICqGU

2hotel9
Reply to  erastvandoren
September 19, 2017 5:18 am

Been watching Maria since she formed. All the hype on TV does not match what she is actually doing, the fearspewingheads keep proclaiming she is precisely following Irma’s course when actually she is tracking well to the south. Have had nullschool earth running for 3 hours watching her track, and MIMIC-TPW2 72 hour map, Maria is not doing what TVtwitts keep claiming.

Sheri
Reply to  erastvandoren
September 19, 2017 9:46 am

Sadly, that’s not surprising. I truly fear the hype on these storms will end up killing people when they stay put because after the last 3 storms, the AUTHORITIES (those trustworthy folks—not) told them danger was on its way then little danger actually occurred. The truly sad thing is these news people and others will never take the blame for what they did, even though they will definately have blood on their hands. These people have no souls or have sold them to the dark side.

Toneb
Reply to  erastvandoren
September 19, 2017 1:19 pm

“Buoy 42060 is directly in the path of the storm”
No it’s not … now.
It’s drifting….
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/nws_special/42060.txt
“Station 42060 went adrift on 9/19/2017 and the last report from its moored position was at 1400Z. It is still transmitting valid observation data, which continued to be reported here, but not from the location above.”
YYYY MM DD hh LAT LON WD WSPD GST WVHT DPD BARO ATMP WTMP DEWP VIS TIDE
deg kts kts ft sec mb degC degC degC mi ft
2017 09 19 19 16.2661 -63.2023 171 45.5 59.4 99.0 99.0 9999.0 999.0 999.0 999.0 99.0
2017 09 19 18 16.2367 -63.1979 184 49.7 65.3 99.0 99.0 9999.0 999.0 999.0 999.0 99.0
2017 09 19 17 16.2334 -63.2087 197 55.2 74.8 99.0 99.0 9999.0 999.0 999.0 999.0 99.0
2017 09 19 16 16.2648 -63.2456 230 54.8 74.0 99.0 99.0 9999.0 27.0 999.0 27.0 99.0
2017 09 19 15 16.3322 -63.2410 311 69.0 93.0 99.0 99.0 9999.0 26.7 999.0 26.7 99.0
2017 09 19 14 16.3788 -63.2093 4 55.9 75.8 99.0 99.0 9999.0 26.6 999.0 26.6 99.0
2017 09 19 13 16.3926 -63.1997 15 52.3 73.2 99.0 99.0 9999.0 26.2 999.0 26.2 99.0
2017 09 19 12 16.3936 -63.2004 10 47.0 64.7 99.0 99.0 9999.0 26.4 999.0 26.2 99.0
2017 09 19 11 16.3946 -63.2007 17 43.5 61.2 99.0 99.0 9999.0 26.6 999.0 26.2 99.0
But still managed a gust to 93kts 15Z
LOCATION of Maria at 18Z …16.6N 63.6W
” ” Buoy at 18Z 16.2367 63.1979
Makes it 32nm away to SE of the centre at that time.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT5+shtml/191757.shtml
“Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 35 miles (55 km) from
the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to
140 miles (220 km). During the past few hours, the eye passed just
north of NOAA buoy 42060, which reported 1-min average winds of
85 mph (137 km/h) and a wind gust of 94 mph (151 km/h).
The estimated minimum central pressure is 927 mb (27.37 inches).
NOAA buoy 42060 reported a minimum pressure of 955.7 mb
(28.22 inches) as the eye passed.”

Neo
September 19, 2017 3:42 pm

they don’t really want to find a cure, because if they did they’d be out of a job
I once had the CEO of my company ask me for the “final software” because we have to ship this product.

Michael S. Kelly
September 19, 2017 5:48 pm

I have to be very careful, here. I work for a US Government regulatory agency. Occasionally, we employ the services of one of the Federally Funded Research and Development Corporations (FFRDCs). A few years ago, we contracted with an FFRDC to assess the environmental impacts of a combustion process associated with an activity we were licensing. On the same day that the company applying for the license announced its plans, a “scientist” from the FFRDC published (with great fanfare) a paper he had written on our contract. It “showed” that there would be a significant effect on global warming from the activity, though that conclusion was provisional: the actual conclusion of the paper was a recommendation for $6 million more funding to study the “problem.” I had never seen a technical publication which ended by begging for more money, and was incensed that this person as strayed so far outside his charter.
After reading the paper, and marking its numerous, significant errors (such as assuming 60 times the foreseeable process activity), I held a teleconference with him and his boss. He walked through his “process,” which was to take several computer models (none of whose workings were known to him) and concatenate them as a front loader to a General Circulation Model. The one and only piece of “data” from the real world that he used was an eyeball estimate of the optical density of the combustion products, which he got from a picture on the internet. One of the computer models he used I knew to be worthless because: 1) despite tens of millions of dollars effort, no one had ever been able to produce an accurate model of the combustion phenomenon in question; 2) The results were false on their face, since the combustion process would not have been able to do what it did with the results he used (elementary thermodynamics). His immediate response was “Do you have a peer-reviewed source?” I had no answer. Do I need a peer reviewed source for F=ma? It’s pretty much that basic.
He got really snippy, and said “WELL! If you don’t like the way I do science, point out where I’ve gone wrong.” I responded “The first time I see you ‘doing science’ I’ll gladly oblige. Until then, your contract is canceled, and we want our money back.”
We got our money back, but this little p****’s boss still stands behind him. Which is why I’ll never use them for anything again.
Don’t try to tell me that they aren’t in it for the money. That’s all it is.

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