While this won’t be of much comfort for those that are squarely in it’s path right now, it is a small bit of good news. Dr. Philip Klotzbach has compiled rankings of both hurricane Irma and Harvey when they made landfall. Compared to the 1935 Labor Day storm, Irma is a distant 7th, tied with the 1928 Lake Okeechobee storm.
He writes:
Table of all hurricanes with landfall pressures <= 940 mb at time of U.S. landfall.
#Irma was 929 mb and#Harvey was 938 mb.
With Irma ranked 7th, and Harvey ranked 18th, it’s going to be tough for climate alarmists to try connecting these two storms to being driven by CO2/global warming. But they’ll do it anyway.
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Would someone please explain the following: The Key Vaca buoy,VCAF1, just east of Key West shows maximum sustained wind speed for Sunday 10th, as the eye passed, of 47 knots. What happened to the 115kn figure claimed by NHC and Klotzbach ?
Well you see, if you divide 115 by 2 you get 57, and 57 isn’t really so very far from 47 is it? Under the precautionary principle, all wind predictions and statements must be multiplied by a factor of 2, in case the public get complacent and go around thinking they can manage in 60 mph winds.
Oh, and it has to be 115 and not 95 (twice 47), because 115 is a major hurricane and 95 isn’t.
More seriously, yes, you are not the first person on WUWT to ask this sort of question, and I hope you won’t be the last. No – I do hope you will be the last, because the Trump administration will haul the NWS over the coals until they get their statements to match the objective data. That’s an idea we could shoot the breeze over 🙂
The only thing to be said in defence of NOAA and NWS is that a single location may not be recording the maximum winds for a storm. But the location you cite appears to have been very near the eyewall at one point, so should have had near max winds. Do you happen to know how near the eyewall?
Rich.
Regret I do not havedefinite figure for how close to the eye, but it muct have been very close. No sign of “zero” wind from the buoy data.
Thanks for your input.
How can this be? Only #7? The national socialist media’s pathetic soothsaying had everyone believing Irma was the storm of the century and proof positive of “global warming”/”climate change” (sic). Such breathless fearmongering and I bet more than a few prayers to Mother Gaia that this would be a storm that would slaughter hundreds if not thousands of human beings and wipe Florida off the map just so those in the Church of Climatology could say, “I told you so.” Such disgusting unprofessionalism on the part of many posturing meteorologists and the left-wing white-privileged elite media outlets (including Fox News, btw) who were predicting doom and gloom with Hurricane Irma. It seems to me for the predictions of apostles of global warming to come true, there should have been several Irmas/Katrinas a year from 2006 to present to “prove” anthropogenic global warming but all we got over the last twelve years is Hurricanes Sandy, Harvey, Irma and now Jose losing steam out in the Atlantic.
The denizens of the Church of Climatology apparently need to pray harder to Gaia Earth to lash out at all those red-state Neanderthals who voted for Trump, right? At least that’s what actress Jennifer Lawrence thinks that’s what this whole hurricane season is all about, Gaia’s repudiation of Trump and his “deplorables.” What superstitious ignoramuses on the left.
For some reason I see no mention in all the comments of the 1900 Galveston storm. According to the BS chart it comes in at #21. Who cares what the pressure or wind speed is? How powerful was the storm? I still have never seen a method to combine all the elements of a storm to tell people just how strong it is. The 1900 storm killed from 6000 to 12000. It is still the most deadly event, man made or weather, ever to befall the U.S..
Jesus christ said hed come back 0 ad 2017 ad….still no sign of him
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Did the leftists blame hurricanes & climate change on God before 1900 & fossil fuels? (oops)
Lol, the climate always changes and has nothing to do with humans or cows. Idiots
Weather changes. Climate has been remarkably stable for over a hundred years. Minor warming, but that has been a net benefit by any measure. And thanks for that CO2 greening that keeps more people from starvation.
The talking point is that we can’t rely on measurements made in the ’40s or before because they were highly inaccurate, because climate change! Amazing.
The talking point is that we can’t rely on measurements made in the ’40s or before because they were highly inaccurate, because climate change! Amazing.
Klotzbach forgot Hurricane Ike, Cat 5, then Cat 4 at landfall, which was 145 mph and 935 millibars. That would have tied it for 15th on his list. Ike killed 211 people and wiped out much of Galveston.
That’s because he is only counting the storms as they make landfall on the US. While Ike what as you note on your comment a cat 4 and 935 millibars it was not that when it made landfall on the US; on September 13, Ike made landfall on the northeast end of Galveston Island in Texas, with a minimum barometric pressure of 950 mbar (28 inHg) and sustained winds of 110 mph (180 km/h), making Ike a Category 2 hurricane. As a category 2 hurricane, AT LANDFALL, it does not make the list.
He also forgot Hurricane Patricia (2015) with 872 millibars and winds of 215 mph.
Patricia did not make landfall on the US, hence it’s not on this list. She was the strongest ever recorded tropical cyclone, but this list only pertains to ones making landfall on the US
My husband was stationed at Keesler AFB, in Biloxi, Mississippi August, 1969. We never experienced a hurricane before let alone a Cat 5, 195 mph winds with 30′ water wall. We were one year married, young and from Kansas. We were used to tornadoes, what can be worse, right? Hurricane Camille has since been downgraded, not sure why, but my newspaper article says it was 190mph winds and 30′ water surge. It wiped out the coast from Florida panhandle to New Orleans with the eye making landfall around Biloxi and Gulfport. Cellphones were not invented yet so our families didn’t know if we were alive or dead for 11 days. We didn’t have any organization come ping around to give us water, food, shelter or help. We filled up every container and the sinks, and bathtub with good water before. We helped each other and cleaned up the area we lived in. Neighbors opened the freezers after several days, when thawing meat was needing to be cooked, and we had a huge bar b q and fed a lot of people in our neiborhood. Camille took the life of 295 people. People thinking they could ride out the hurricane because they had just gone through Betsy, it wasn’t bad they would say. We ate canned beanie weanies and canned spam after that bar b q and we were thankful to have that. It was days before we had power again. We had no way of communication and drove toward the middle of the state until we found live phone lines to call our families, that was in Hattiesburg, Miss.. There were oil tankers washed up onto the shore at Mobile, Alabama, many bridges gone or destroyed, thousands of homes destroyed,
I wanted to tell you my story because these storms are NOTHING new.
Thanks.
After two years of studying the whole global warming thing, I found out that previous periods of warming were associated with human prosperity, like around the year 1000 when Eric the Red began colonizing Greenland and grew wheat and barley on that land which is now covered in permafrost. And that CO2 is not a pollutant, but instead it is a natural gas used by plants as food and that we could use a whole bunch more of it. It doesnt become toxic to humans until it reaches a concentration of 60,000 ppm; we are now at 400 ppm. So the more CO2, the better our agricultural yields will become and the more the Earth becomes covered in plants.
And so, imagine my dissapointment and anger when I found out that some aholes at NOOA and at NASA have bee fudging and changing the temperature records, which clearly show that the 1930’s were much warmer than today.
Go to YouTube and type: NASA climate data fraud- Trend “completely fake” and “manipulated”
The mainstream media is completely ignoring all of this.
Climate has always changed and will allways change. Climate is determined by these primal titanic forces such as the heat output of the sun, which appears to be cyclical, every 60 years or so, our orbit around the sun, sometimes more circular, sometimes more oval, in what appears to be a ten thousand year cycle which causes our ice ages. Volcanic eruptions, plate techtonics, changes in ocean currents, etc, all contribute to the constant climate changes.
CO2 is only 0.117% of greenhous gasses out of which humans produce about 7% and historically has never been associated with global warming; our ice ages have all started when CO2 was a thousand times higher than today. Remember when humans thought the the Earth was the centr of the universe? We are always thinkimg that we are much more significant than we are. The fact is,mthat humans are too puny to effect the climate of the Earth.
Only humans would be egotistical enough to think that we can write laws that will stop the climate from changing. I can read the letter to God: “Dear Lord, you are hereby commanded by law to stop the climate from changing immediately, otherwise your supply of vestal virgins will cease”.
And, in the meantime, in 2016, 3-4 million cases of cholera were reported resulting in 65,600 deaths. Cholera epidemics are cause by a lack of sanitation and running water in many areas of the world, a problem that coukd be fixed at a fraction if the billions being spent each year on global warming research alone.
Global warming/ climate change has become a huge industry employing hundreds of thousands of people, all of whom will continue to push this fasle narrative in irder to keep their jobs.
Please pass the following link to everyone you know. The truth needs to get around:
Go to YouTube and type: NASA climate data fraud- Trend “completely fake” and “manipulated”