I have struggled to think of appropriate commentary on this, but feel I can’t say anything that is not potentially insulting to some Catholics or is overtly political, so I’ll let the story speak for itself.~ctm
Vatican archbishop: All should accept that global warming is a fact
Lisa Bourne Follow Lisa
ROME, Italy, July 19, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – The head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences has again inferred that denial of the controversial concept of manmade climate change equates to flat earth mentality.
“From the scientific point of view, the sentence that the earth is warmed by human activity is as true as the sentence: The earth is round!” said Archbishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo.
The archbishop has been a consistent and zealous promoter of manmade climate change as a non-negotiable Church issue, despite the status of care for the environment as a prudential matter.
Climate change ideology continues to be contested as a ploy perpetrated with manipulated data by the left to enact environmental regulations and taxes.
Even so, Archbishop Sorondo dismissed deniers of climate change in a recent Vatican Radio interview as “a small, negligible minority.”
The interview conducted in German contained the headline: “Vatican: ‘Climate change is a fact,’” and centered on reception of Pope Francis’ eco-encyclical Laudato Si’ two years after its release.
Archbishop Sorondo went on in the interview to say that human-affected climate change was considered science. He added that the pope not only has the right but also the duty to rely on science in addition to doctrine and philosophy in seeking out truth.
If the pope expresses himself on such a subject, then this was not arbitrary, he said, as the pope’s words are not restricted to the area of ”doctrine of faith and morals.”
The pope makes use of the truths of science or philosophy to not only explain to man how to get to heaven, said the archbishop, but also what he must do on earth.
All human activities have to do with ethics, the Argentinean archbishop said, so they are already within the jurisdiction of the pope.
Archbishop Sorondo is a close adviser to Pope Francis and the Chancellor of both the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. He has repeatedly welcomed pro-abortion and population control advocates to the Vatican for conferences under the pretext of the climate issue.
Last month, just before President Donald Trump announced the U.S. would pull out of the controversial Paris Climate Agreement, the archbishop likened climate ideology skeptics to flat-earthers as well.
Withdrawal from the Paris accord “would not only be a disaster but completely unscientific,” he said.
“Saying that we need to rely on coal and oil is like saying that the earth is not round,” Archbishop Sorondo stated. “It is an absurdity dictated by the need to make money.”
He has also repeatedly made the claim that those who don’t subscribe to the manmade climate change theory are in some way subsidized by the oil industry. He did so again in the Vatican Radio interview.
“Of course, some sectors that depend on the oil lobby — including some Catholic institutions! — do not agree with Laudato Si’,’” the archbishop stated. “And with this they are causing serious damage, because the climate is deteriorating — even the opponents of climate change will be among their victims, in the short or long term.”
In 1979, the Vatican launched an investigation into its spat with Galileo. After 13 years (yes, thirteen years) the collective genius at the Vatican decided that Galileo was right and the Vatican’s dogma, doggedly maintained for 350 years until 1992, was a whole load of mud. Somewhat slow on the uptake, one may say.
So given time, and lots of it, expect the Vatican likewise to declare that its “climate change” dogma was baldfaced baloney, big time.
The IPCC long ago got all the major faiths “on-side”.
http://www.interfaithstatement2016.org/read_the_statement
There is a simple reason for the stance of the church on the global warming topic: both Angela Merkel and the Pope have the same “science” advisor on climate matters: Hans Joachim Schellnhuber from the extreme alarmistic PIK (Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research):
https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/john
and
https://www.pik-potsdam.de/institute/index_html
That is the man(n) and institute that convinced Merkel into the lunatic “Energiewende” which costs every German household double its electricity bills…
treble…
I must correct you there: thanks to energy saving devices German electricity bills per household are lower than US ones.
Griff,
Per household, yes, as US households use lots more electricity (mainly in the south for A/C), not per kWh: Denmark and Germany are the world champions for wind energy and power bills…
What a slimy piece of spin that was griff.
To pick a metric that seems to prove your point, but on close inspection proves the exact opposite
Do you have a little beardy thing like Michael Mann?
I am researching the correlation between mental disturbance associated with leftism , climate change belief, narcissism, and little beardy things.
http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/Beards.png
Let me just state for the record that I am and have always been completely clean shaven.
Not a frickin’ barbarian!
Griff,
Here the price per MWh for households in the European Union for 2016, see Fig.4:
http://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/documents/com_2016_769.en_.pdf
There are some sour jokes in the story by the EU, as they say that by installing more wind and solar, the price per MWh goes down. But if you look at the graph, the price for power itself indeed is the lowest in Denmark and moderate in Germany, but look at the taxes: extremely high in Denmark and very high in Germany: the households pay for the difference between the energy price, which is subsidized low for the industry and the real price of the production…
Still other tricks are applied to hide the real costs of renewables: in Belgium they did oversubsidize solar panels on industrial sites in the form of certificates, which we are now paying off in extra “distribution” costs…
“thanks to energy saving devices German electricity bills per household are lower than US ones.”
Yes, especially the ones that have been cut off because they can’t afford it.
Many people in Germany can not pay their electricity bills. And the energy prices continue to rise. The President of the Social Association VdK, Ulrike Mascher, therefore accuses the Federal Government of “not having the social dimension of the energies in view”.
“At low incomes, the rising electricity costs are going through fully,” said the boss of the largest German social association. The Managing Board of the Consumer Center North Rhine-Westphalia, Klaus Müller, estimates: “Ten to 15 percent of the population are struggling to finance the steadily rising energy costs.”
600,000 households are disconnected every year
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article106236425/Strom-ist-fuer-viele-Deutsche-unbezahlbar-geworden.html
Funny how you never mention them isn’t it, Skanky?
I was just waiting for someone to post the ‘German households cut off’ figure
(There seem to be at least 2 values for this and some dispute as to whether national figures are kept…)
But anyway, given there are 40 million German households, what percentage of households is that?
And what is the percentage figure for the US?
(I’ve seen 5% quoted…)
“And what is the percentage figure for the US?”
But Skanky, nobody is proclaiming that the USA is blest with a Utopian electricity supply industry and that not one US citizen has a problem with the price, as you are attempting to assert about the German electricity supply, as you keep trying to convince us.
As usual, when cornered you desperately attempt to shift the goalposts…
+1
The guy is talking out his nether-region – without even putting his bowels into gear.
Look at the….. wtf is the word?
This really does beg the question of why someone in such an elevated position is making all the fuss he is.
What Is His Problem?
He also states:
What became of the idea of Extraordinary Claims requiring Extraordinary Proof?
Lets hear it Mr Bishop, what is your evidence/proof?
We all know what/where/who his evidence is, hence we can suggest that:
He exists in a (Magically Thought out) bubble where he picks and chooses his data, his friends & advisers and seeks out only reinforcement for his own (negative and depressed) thinking.
In a Free World, we can all do that.
So. I start.
My friend next to me has just said (I know they are joking but how do you?) that I look like Prince Charles.
Therefore, I can make a declaration, just like the Archbishop and post it onto that fountain of all knowledge, news and wisdom (The Interweb) stating that:
All Hail King Peta, new King of All England
Now then, how is my claim any less valid than his?
This may have been said earlier, I haven’t read all the posts, and I’m no scientist, but isn’t describing the world as round the same as describing it as flat?
To the best of my knowledge the world might be described as a sphere, although I know it’s not a sphere and I have seen several terms to describe it’s shape, most far more accurate than “round”.
This from a scientific advisor to the Pope?
HotScot,
Yes, pizzas are round — and flat. Was that a slip of the tongue from someone who still believes that the Earth is flat? 🙂
Not my activities buddy. My ancestors suffered horribly at the hands of the pope’s minions because they refused to accept his jurisdiction. Never mind climate refugees, they were actual refugees. link
Commie,
Those French Protestants whom the crown didn’t massacre gave the Protestant world some of its most productive citizens, including silversmith Paul Revere in the US and geologist Alexander du Toit in South Africa (whose given name came from his Scottish grandfather).
The Pope is being poorly advised.
Ed Z.
from birth ?
Global secularism. Now.
“From the scientific point of view, the sentence that the earth is warmed by human activity is as true as the sentence: The earth is round!” said Archbishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo.
I will infer from this, because the Earth is a rough oblong spheroid. That his statement “the Earth is warmed by human activity” is roughly equivalent to “human activity has an effect of unknown magnitude on Earth’s climate, which while real, is unlikely to be catastrophic and is, perhaps, even beneficial.”
The correct word is “oblate,” not “oblong.”
Yes, it is most definitely not oblong.
From an evaluation of the paleoclimate record and the work done on modeling, one can conclude that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which Mankind has no control. From the religious standpoint the controling entity would be God or maybe the Pope does not believe in God. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is no such evidence in the paleoclimate record and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensicity of CO2 is really zero. If CO2 really affected cilimate then the increase in CO2 over the past 30 years should have caused at least a measureable increase in dry lapse rate in the troposphere but that has not happened. The AGW conjecture is based upon that existance of a radiant greenhouse effect which is dependent upon heat trapping abilities of certain trace gases with LWIR absorption bands. Such a radiant greenhouse has not been observed on Earth or on anywhere in the solar system. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction as well. This has nothing to do with belief in God but is purely a matter of sceince.
Vatican nominal GDP per capita was estimated $365,796 in 2011. The richest state on planet. And that’s fine – except hypocrisy alarm went off:
Looking forward to Vatican leading by example. Archbishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo first donating all his earthly wealth. After all, why should he swim in something he despises? Mayan progeny merits compensation for the inhumane Franciscan cruelty. And African hospitals should be able to afford fridge and lights on concomitantly.
They could stand to reduce their caloric intake and donate their excess food to the starving. The pope is as plump as Al Gore.
Seriously Jaakko, the hypocrisy from those fat cats is obscene and galling.
They have no standing to criticize anyone.
Faith is a gift from God. Dogma is a creation of men to market their materialistic idea of faith.
There is not yet much point in discussing Catholicism, or Science, or even proper use of the English language with this particular ArchBish. He first needs schooling about money. About what money does, where it comes from, where it goes, why it is still necessary, etcetera. The Church may well have some doctrine in this area, but the ArchBish is lacking some of the basics that most teenagers understand.
They understand it well enough not to spend what they have doing what they purport is their “work”.
Leaders in the Catholic Church showing their true colors. May just well have said “by any means necessary”. They are for wealth redistribution. The fact they cannot distinguish between charity and theft is more than a little disturbing.
Yes, global warming is a fact, and it is a good thing. The Ice Age was bad.
Marcelo, the lack of intrinsic consensus and adherence must be depressing, but what happened faith, hope and love? The folio wrapped mitres only make your stupid look large.
Cardinal Sanchez clearly is not the Holy Ghost.
Well after all the Catholic Church supports the new world order and as such is using climate change as a ruse for depopulating the earth!
My belief in God is based on faith. Belief and faith are as unscientific as consensus.
When someone asks me if I believe in (fill in the blank) scientific theory. I answer, no. It’s a scientific theory. As such, it works. I can use it to understand how things work. It is predictive. I can use it to predict subsequent observations and the outcomes of empirical experiments. However, I don’t believe in it. It’s just a tool. If a better tool becomes available, I’d have little problem using it instead of the old theory.
Faith is one of the most powerful things in this world. One can have confidence in the scientific method… However, having faith in science is fundamentally unscientific.
Faith is the Vatican’s realm. Science is not.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
Well said David.
I like that.
Yet another of Cnut’s advisors.
The Earth is not actually “round”; it is “roundish” as in ellipsoidal. You would be forgiven if you thought that the head of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences spoke more precisely. On the other hand maybe he meant exactly what he said.
Intentional embrace and rehearsed recital of a political agenda with no evidence of religion – or science or economics for that matter. A deceiver rather than deceived.
Tell you what, Vatican. I’ll start listening to you on climate change when you start disavowing, dissecting, and discarding socialism and all related philosophies. Why should I listen to someone who advocates for a genocidal political system?
This current pope is purely a diversity hire. The cardinals were merely signaling to the other worldly elites that they’re ready to play the social just game. A pox on all their houses!
“…This current pope is purely a diversity hire…” Does anyone believe his predecessor retired of his own volition? I have a bridge to sell to those that do.
Lisa Bourne, you missed something: a rich patriarchy preaching the world about inequalities.
I accept that the Church is currently led by a small clique if very corrupt men.