I have struggled to think of appropriate commentary on this, but feel I can’t say anything that is not potentially insulting to some Catholics or is overtly political, so I’ll let the story speak for itself.~ctm
Vatican archbishop: All should accept that global warming is a fact
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ROME, Italy, July 19, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – The head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences has again inferred that denial of the controversial concept of manmade climate change equates to flat earth mentality.
“From the scientific point of view, the sentence that the earth is warmed by human activity is as true as the sentence: The earth is round!” said Archbishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo.
The archbishop has been a consistent and zealous promoter of manmade climate change as a non-negotiable Church issue, despite the status of care for the environment as a prudential matter.
Climate change ideology continues to be contested as a ploy perpetrated with manipulated data by the left to enact environmental regulations and taxes.
Even so, Archbishop Sorondo dismissed deniers of climate change in a recent Vatican Radio interview as “a small, negligible minority.”
The interview conducted in German contained the headline: “Vatican: ‘Climate change is a fact,’” and centered on reception of Pope Francis’ eco-encyclical Laudato Si’ two years after its release.
Archbishop Sorondo went on in the interview to say that human-affected climate change was considered science. He added that the pope not only has the right but also the duty to rely on science in addition to doctrine and philosophy in seeking out truth.
If the pope expresses himself on such a subject, then this was not arbitrary, he said, as the pope’s words are not restricted to the area of ”doctrine of faith and morals.”
The pope makes use of the truths of science or philosophy to not only explain to man how to get to heaven, said the archbishop, but also what he must do on earth.
All human activities have to do with ethics, the Argentinean archbishop said, so they are already within the jurisdiction of the pope.
Archbishop Sorondo is a close adviser to Pope Francis and the Chancellor of both the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. He has repeatedly welcomed pro-abortion and population control advocates to the Vatican for conferences under the pretext of the climate issue.
Last month, just before President Donald Trump announced the U.S. would pull out of the controversial Paris Climate Agreement, the archbishop likened climate ideology skeptics to flat-earthers as well.
Withdrawal from the Paris accord “would not only be a disaster but completely unscientific,” he said.
“Saying that we need to rely on coal and oil is like saying that the earth is not round,” Archbishop Sorondo stated. “It is an absurdity dictated by the need to make money.”
He has also repeatedly made the claim that those who don’t subscribe to the manmade climate change theory are in some way subsidized by the oil industry. He did so again in the Vatican Radio interview.
“Of course, some sectors that depend on the oil lobby — including some Catholic institutions! — do not agree with Laudato Si’,’” the archbishop stated. “And with this they are causing serious damage, because the climate is deteriorating — even the opponents of climate change will be among their victims, in the short or long term.”
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If Vaticans believe global warming, then they should go back to ancient lighting system and stop using electricity, automobiles, aeroplanes, computers-IT, etc, etc. To save the world!!!
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
“From the scientific point of view, the sentence that the earth is warmed by human activity is as true as the sentence: The earth is round!”
The Earth is a particular form of an oblate spheroid, properly called a geoid. A circle is round, an ellipse is not, especially one with high eccentricity.
So, if we take the quote literally, it is really saying that humans contribute warming proportionately to the degree that the Earth deviates from “round.” Alternatively, we could conclude that the statement reflects the degree of expertise (or lack thereof) of The head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences.
Pizzas are round, and I prefer mine warm.
The statements ‘the earth is round’ and ‘humans are warming the earth’ are about as meaningful as each other. You could say they are a short-hand of speech, but…
In the realm of moral authority the philosopher kings in the princely state leave something to be desired.
Well, ever since the Pope declared that building walls and not bridges is not a Christian thing to do, it has been safe to ignore everything that him and his cadre can be completely ignored without risking missing any statements of merit.
http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/15172/2016/02/default/2nd_rome_film_festival__aeria_0_1455809553.jpg
Where exactly is the Vatican Bridge?
*note to self* Read it again after rearranging the sentences.
Lol: hehehe!
There’s a bridge across the Tiber just in front of Castle San Angelo (the papal fortress built from/on Hadrian’s tomb).?
The secret Vatican escape route leads down to the Castle.
Well worth a visit! amazing Roman helical ramp inside…
Trump wants to spend a trillion dollars on roads and bridges.
Yes, the earth is round. Yes, man has an impact on climate.
No, withdrawing from Paris doesn’t change anything. Paris would have no discernible impact even if every signatory followed their half-arsed commitments.
Pope and his mates are either being dishonest or ignorant.
Tee hee. Nice one, Clyde!
I believe in God as much as the next person but you’ve got to draw the bullshit line somewhere.
The catholic church has as much to do with God as it has to do with science.
(there’s a fine line between faith and stupidity)…
Faith is an effective substitute for intelligence, when deciding ‘what to do’.
Didn’t the Good Book say “Go forth and multiply.”?
I think that was the start of all the world’s problems.
And that Marx came along and said ‘go forth and divide’
Said Archbishop Soros ….there , fixed it for them …
“Saying that we need to rely on coal and oil is like saying that the earth is not round,” Archbishop Sorondo stated. “It is an absurdity dictated by the need to make money.”
He has also repeatedly made the claim that those who don’t subscribe to the manmade climate change theory are in some way subsidized by the oil industry. He did so again in the Vatican Radio interview.”
For a cleric fully maintained and supported by the church, he has no idea about having to live and survive in the real world. In this 21st century, so much – in fact almost all – of the things by which we live and survive are powered by either oil or electricity. This includes all the mod cons, transport etc., that the archbishop uses in his daily life. It’s a further fact of life that money is needed to purchase these commodities. As a cleric, I repeat, he does not need money himself to survive, it’s all provided for him. Not so we mere mortals outside the vatican walls (yes, those big tall stone walls that keep the plebs out.)
Further, his claim that those who don’t share his views on “climate change” are in some way subsidised by the oil industry is obscene. I am certainly not subsidised – by anybody, oil industry or otherwise – yet I vehemently object to the falsehoods and distortions of this global scam. I don’t need subsidies to understand reality.
This is the sort of thing which makes me say, having been raised catholic, that I am “spiritual, not religious”.
Besides for that, since when are Vatican bureaucrats the designated arbiters of what is and what is not “the” “scientific point of view”?
That he could make such a comment disqualifies him from having an opinion worth a lick of spit.
The key word which proves this is true?
“The”.
Saying “spiritual, not religious”, is making an effort to avoid confusing the medium with the message, while trying to discern the message.
I think you are correct, although I never thought of it in those terms consciously.
I trust in the scientific method, but I do not trust the science bureaucracies that now, for all practical purposes, purport to “be” what science is.
This is a rather recent development.
I noticed something very similar regarding organized religion and God when I was a teenager.
somewhere in the vatican is a box full of special items cleft from statues.
that’s used as a reference standard of intelligence there.
gnomish,
Are you suggesting that the symbolic act of castrating statues reflects on the sterility and impotence of the eunuchs that run the Vatican?
heh. almost, i was suggesting they are not capable of thinking out of the box.
This thing just keeps getting crazier and crazier.
High office does not preclude foolish opinions.
Indeed, the evidence suggests the opposite.
The problem is that the Vatican and Our dear old Monarch to be, the bear of little brain married to Camilla, both understand that their function is to set moral standards and stop divisive arguments.
But have failed to understand that sometimes argument indicates the wrong standards are being set.
Obviously one religion is not enough.
One religion is more than enough…
If global warming is a fact, why did they start calling it climate change?
Allegedly a Republican party spokesman invented the new term as the old one was too alarming.
So its a term from the non-IPCC side of the discussion, apparently
Aah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….eeh…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You so funny!
Complete fabrication on your part Griff.
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html
Making stuff up again Skanky, you patronising, condescending little slanderer?
You just can’t help yourself, can you?
How do you know he/she’s little?
Why do you keep repeating this lie, Griff, when you’ve been shown repeatedly that it’s a totally bogus canard?
1822 … I’m a Catholic … yes, 1822 is when the Church finally conceded that the Earth orbited the Sun. So the Church has form when it comes to dogma, after all Galileo let them know in 1632 … it took nearly 200 hundred years to acknowledge this so I don’t hold any hope that they’re going to be blinded by an epiphany anytime soon!
Sick and tired of these Jesuits making a laughing stock out of the Church. I can only think that the current fool that is the Pope has been sent to test our patience!
But the earth does not orbit the sun, any more than the sun orbits the earth.
Its just a convenient co-ordinate set to pick for approximate astronomical calculations.
And that’s before you enter the deeper metaphysical waters and decide where the earth ends and the sun begins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliosphere
Copernican astronomy is pre-Newtonian mechanics. Since the time of Newton, we already know the sun does not orbit the earth because both sun and earth orbit a common center of mass located inside the sun. BTW the heliosphere and atmosphere are plain physics, they are not metaphysics.
Yes, this is a form of sophistry I am sorry to say.
Even from the point of view of them both orbiting a common center of mass…this center is inside the Sun, so the fact remains the Earth orbits the Sun, and the Sun does not orbit the Earth.
The sun wobbles a little, the Earth goes around it.
People have to be able to communicate.
Dr Strangelove. Oh dear that went a little over your…
1/. Newtonian mechanics if it says anything at all, says that everything is revolving around the integrated average centre of mass of the universe, or something equally useless. Since we cant even solve a three body problem shoving a whole universe in there makes grown men cry. We pick co-ordinate systems that make the sums easy and get approximative answers by avoiding the stuff that us too hard to deal with.
2/. The heliosphere and the atmosphere are it’s true physics, but physics depends on metaphysics, that’s why its called ‘meta-physics’ . Where ‘the sun’ ‘stops’ is as much a matter of definition, as measurement. Is the heliosphere ‘part of’ the ‘sun’ ? If so we are inside the sun…etc etc.
Leo – How many years ago did you read “Flatland” ?
1) Sun and earth is just a two-body problem. You just wish to complicate things you don’t understand by uttering philosophical mumbo jumbo.
2) Physics does not depend on metaphysics though philosophers want to believe that. The heliosphere is not part of the sun, it is part of the solar system. We are inside the solar system.
The sun wobbles, true. It is not sophistry. In Newtonian mechanics, the sun is a point mass that orbits another point center of mass.
‘…Sorondo dismissed deniers of climate change in a recent Vatican Radio interview as “a small, negligible minority.”’
Like the 3% who don’t agree with “97%” that CO2 emissions cause warming? Of course it does, but only alarmists believe that it matters.
As for “…feel I can’t say anything that is not potentially insulting to some Catholics or is overtly political…”, fair enough. So let Terry McCrann writing in The Australian the other day put it obliquely and tactfully to Sorondo and his fancy dress ilk, “Pose the question ‘Do you believe in climate change?’ and you define yourself as a moron.”
‘… he [Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo] explained, “… climate change is caused by human activity that employ fossil fuels …” ‘.
‘… Bishop Sorondo claimed the Pope’s teaching on global warming in the environmental encyclical was equally binding for Catholics as the Church’s teaching on abortion …’.
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Roman Catholic Canon Law imposes automatic excommunication for abortion (all parties I assume) and also interestingly profession of Communism (Decree Against Communism 1949).
Anyway does that mean using fossil fuels, turning on the electric light and filling up the SUV say, are sins venial and mortal respectively?
http://elihos.com/elihos.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/20161029_stpeters.jpg
For the good of the RC Church that guy needs to be told to pull his head in.
“For the good of the RC Church that guy needs to be told to pull his head in.”
Higher up the pecking order, too, Chris.
Once again, the Roman church supports the popular “science” while condemning what will turn out to be the truth. They learned nothing from Galileo.
Failure to believe in Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming will (apparently) NOT lead to excommunication:
http://www.catholicstand.com/pope-francis-has-single-handedly-destroyed-catholicism-again/
“I repeat, once again: The media does not exist to tell the truth – it exists to make money. Juicy headlines sell newspapers and garner millions of website hits, which generate revenue. “Pope Reiterates 2,000-year-old Teaching of the Church” doesn’t make money; “Pope Declares that All Atheists Go to Heaven” does. Truth has nothing to do with it, and this type of misrepresentation for personal gain is something that’s been happening as long as the papacy has existed.”
Bloke who believes in fairy tales believes in fairy tales.
On the other hand, he doesn’t approve of fairies.
That was so ghey!
A religion does not admit that its dogma, especially the Catholic Church, can be challenged. Since, according to Archbishop Sorondo, there is no question of criticizing the dogma of anthropogenic climate warming, this dogma is therefore a new religion, based on pseudo-science, and those who criticize or refute its Holy Word are heretics. When did the pyres of the new Inquisition chastise these wretches?
Hey, God said he will not destroy the earth with water again. So cross (tee hee) sea level rise off the list of worries.
And Jim “The Creator” Hansen says that global warming will not be a problem because the heat is just gonna melt ice.
Logically speaking, the end of the world is hereby cancelled.
Good night folks!
Drive safely!
Help: Savonarole is back!
The Earth being round is a binary choice – it is either round or flat (actually it is oblate, but the point holds – there is a definite reference point to compare the round vs flat earth). However, when somebody “denies” human caused climate change, what are they denying?
Are they denying that human produced co2 causes a small rise in temperature? Are they denying larger temperature rises as a result of feedback? Are they denying very larger, runaway temperature rises with catastrophic consequences? Or do they deny human produced co2 has any effect at all? Clearly, the statement that some people are climate deniers is not a binary choice and to make such a statement is meaningless.
Allow me to suggest that the Archbishop, the Pope, Bill Nye, Al Gore, Mickey Mann, etc are all denying that the entire issue is nothing but nonsense and superstition. Global warming, greenhouse effect, greenhouse gas, anthropogenic carbon dioxide, are for all intents and purposes no more near reality that Daffy Duck, Goofy, and Mickey Mouse.
The redoubtable virus “delirium carbonum” has done terrible damage to the Vatican ….
From Wiki
“The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was “foolish and absurd in philosophy,”
I see we have another Pope Urban VIII in Pope Francis
Not much has changed then