By Ross McKitrick
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A communications group at Yale University has put out a video that seems to be a rebuttal to a Dilbert cartoon by Scott Adams poking fun at climate scientists and their misplaced confidence in models. The video is full of impressive-looking scientists talking about charts and data and whatnot. It probably cost a lot to make and certainly involved a lot of time and effort. The most amazing thing, however, is that it actually proves the points being made in the Dilbert cartoon. Rather than debunking the cartoon, the scientists acted it out in slow motion.
The Dilbert cartoon begins with a climate scientist saying “human activity is warming the earth and will lead to a global catastrophe.” When challenged to explain how he knows that, he says they start with basic physical principles plus observations about the climate, which they then feed into models, pick and choose some of the outputs, then feed those into economic models, and voila. When asked, what if I don’t trust the economic models, the scientist retreats to an accusation of denialism.
The Yale video ends in exactly the same way. After a few minutes of what I will, for the moment, call “scientific information,” we see climatologist Andrew Dessler appear at the 4:28 mark to say “It’s inarguable, although some people still argue it – heh, heh.” As in, ah those science deniers.
What exactly is “inarguable”? By selective editing we are led to believe that everything said in the video is based on multiple independent lines of evidence carrying such overwhelming force that no rational observer could dispute it. Fine, let’s go to the 2:38 mark and watch someone named Sarah Myhre tell us what this inarguable science says.
“It’s irrefutable evidence that there are major consequences that come with climate warming, and that we take these Earth systems to be very stable, we take them for granted, and they’re not stable, they’re deeply unstable when you perturb the carbon system in the atmosphere.”
How does she know this? From models of course. These claims are not rooted in observations but in examining the entrails of model projections. But she has to pick and choose her models because they don’t all say what she claims they say. Some models show very little sensitivity to greenhouse gases. If we put the low-sensitivity results into economic models the results show that the economic impacts of warming are very low and possible even negative (i.e. a net benefit). And the section of the IPCC report that talks about the consequences of warming says:
For most economic sectors, the impact of climate change will be small relative to the impacts of other drivers (medium evidence, high agreement). Changes in population, age, income, technology, relative prices, lifestyle, regulation, governance, and many other aspects of socioeconomic development will have an impact on the supply and demand of economic goods and services that is large relative to the impact of climate change.
It goes on to show (Figure 10-1) that at low levels of warming the net economic effects are zero or positive. As to the climate being “deeply unstable” there’s hardly any point trying to debate that since these are not well-defined scientific words, but simple reflection on human experience will tell you that the climate system is pretty stable, at least on decadal and century time scales. The main thing to note is that she is claiming that changes to atmospheric CO2 levels have big warming effects on the climate and will cause a global catastrophe. And the only way she knows this is from looking at the outputs of models and ignoring the ones that look wrong to her. Granted she isn’t bald and doesn’t have a little beard, but otherwise she is almost verbatim the scientist in the cartoon.
Much of what she says in the video is unsubstantiated and sloppy. For instance she talks (2:14) about paleoclimatic indicators like tree rings, ice cores and sediment cores as if they are handy records of past climate conditions without acknowledging any of the known problems extracting climate information from such noisy sources.
Her most telling comment was the Freudian slip at 1:06 when she says “There is incredible agreement about the drivers of climate science.” What she meant (and quickly corrected herself to say) was “climate change.” But her comment is revealing as regards the incredible agreement—i.e. groupthink –that drives climate science, and the individuals who do the driving. Myhre’s Freudian slip comes right after a clip in which Michael Mann emphatically declares that there are dozens of lines of evidence that all come together, “telling us the same thing,” adding “that’s how science works.” Really? The lines of evidence regarding climate do not all lead to one uniform point of view, nor is that how science works. If that’s how science worked there would be no need for research. But that’s how activists see it, and that’s the view they impose to drive climate science along in service of the activist agenda. As Dr. Myhre herself wrote in a recent op-ed:
Our job is not to objectively document the decline of Earth’s biodiversity and humanity, so what does scientific leadership look like in this hot, dangerous world? We don’t need to all agree with each other – dissent is a healthy component of the scientific community. But, we do need to summon our voices and start shouting from rooftops: “We have options”, “We don’t have to settle for cataclysm”.
Got that? The job of scientists is not objectively to gather and present evidence, but to impose an alarmist view and yell it from the rooftops. At least according to Sarah Myhre, Ph.D..
The video opens with a straw man argument: climate science is all just made up in computer models about the future, and it’s all just based on simulations. This is then refuted, rather easily, with clips of scientists listing some of the many observational data sets that exist. Whoopee. That wasn’t even the point of the Dilbert cartoon, it was just a straw man made up by the interviewer. Then, in the process of presenting responses, the video flits back and forth between lists of observational evidence and statements that are based on the outputs of models, as if the former prove the latter. For instance, when Myhre says (2:45—2:55) that the climate systems is “deeply unstable” to perturbations in the carbon “system” (I assume she meant cycle) the video then cuts to Andrew Dessler (2:55) talking about satellite measurements, back to Myhre on paleo indicators, then to Carl Mears and Dessler (3:11) talking about sea ice trends. None of those citations support Myhre’s claims about instability, but the selective editing creates the impression that they do.
Another example is a sequence starting at 1:14 and going to about 2:06, in which various speakers lists different data sets, glossing over different spatial and time scales, measurement systems, etc. Then an assertion is slipped in at 2:07 by Ben Santer to the effect that the observed warming can’t be explained by natural causes. Then back to Myhre listing paleoclimate indicators and Mann describing boreholes. The impression created is that all these data types prove the attribution claim made by Santer. But they do no such thing. The data sets only record changes: claims about the mechanism behind them are based on modeling work, namely when climate models can’t simulate 20th century warming without incorporating greenhouse gas forcing.
So in a sense, the video doesn’t even refute the straw man it set up. It’s not that climate science consists only of models: obviously there are observations too. But all the attribution claims about the climatic effects of greenhouse gases are based on models. If the scientists being interviewed had any evidence otherwise, they didn’t present any.
Now suppose that they are correct in their assertion that all the lines of evidence agree. All the data sets, in Mann’s words, are telling us the same thing. In that case, looking at one is as good as looking at any of the others.
Ignore for a moment the selective focus on declining Arctic sea ice data while ignoring the expansion of Antarctic sea ice. And ignore the strange quotation from Henry Pollock (3:23—3:41) about how ice doesn’t ask any questions or read the newspaper: it just melts. Overlaid on his words is a satellite video showing the summer 2016 Arctic sea ice melt. Needless to say, had the filmmaker kept the video running a few seconds more, into the fall, we’d have seen it re-freeze. Presumably the ice doesn’t read or ask questions in the fall either, it just freezes. This proves what exactly?
Anyway, back to our assumption that all the data sets agree and say the same thing. And what is it they tell us? Many key data sets indicate that climate models are wrong, and in particular that they overstate the rate of warming, (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, etc.). So according to the uniformity principle so strongly enunciated in the video, all the evidence points in the same direction: the models aren’t very good. And by implication, statements made based on the models aren’t very reliable.
There’s another irony in the video’s assertions of uniformity in climate science. At the 3:55 mark Michael Mann announces that there’s a consensus because independent teams of scientists all come at the problem from different angles and come up with the same answers. He’s clearly referring to the model-based inferences about the drivers of climate change. And the models are, indeed, converging to become more and more similar. The problem is that in the process they are becoming less like the actual climate. Oops.
So how did the video do refuting Scott Adams’ cartoon? He joked that scientists warning of catastrophe invoke the authority of observational data when they are really making claims based on models. Check. He joked that they ignore on a post hoc basis the models that don’t look right to them. Check. He joked that their views presuppose the validity of models that reasonable people could doubt. Check. And he joked that to question any of this will lead to derision and the accusation of being a science denier. Check. In other words, the Yale video sought to rebut Adams’ cartoon and ended up being a documentary version of it.
Via CATO@Liberty, reprinted under CC license
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The storm of negativity by the consensus on galloping planet greening – ‘trees cause pollution AND warming’ is similar to the campaign against the dreaded “Pause” the implications of which caused the ‘Climate Blues’ that overwhelmed a significant number of climate scientists (wasted studies, wasted careers, wasted lives which they rationalized away from).
The implications of the greening are more enormous. It’s unexpected rapid development is a carbon sink that makes an end run around the modest Henry’s Law snail’s-paced sequestration in solution in oceans that most climate scientists saw as the basic limiting actor in CO2 absorption in the envieonment. It is exponential in nature and not only does it sequester ‘carbon’ it is an endothermic reaction (cooling reaction). Moreover, phytoplankton in the oceans are considered to be even greater sinks.
Calculations of these effects (by other than I) would make a compelling thread on WUWT. Anyone?
Scott Adams has done science a considerable service. There are still a lot of people who may describe themseleves as “not a scientist” and lack the confidence to publicly call out the failure of global-warming models. Even on skeptical blogs such as this one.
They should be able to trust their own assessment that the emperor really doesn’t have a suit on. Sometimes things really are as they appear.
I’m not sure which is worse: that the academics who made this video comprehend what they are saying, or that they don’t.
They believe what they say, or ar least pretend to believe. That is why warmunism is akin to a religion, impervious to contrary logic and fact. Why else take up cudgels against a simple single cartoon that exposes them fully.
If you’re taking flack, it means you’re over the target.
+1
words…are just words…
A proposition that supports itself. If you believe it, you – er – believe it.
“Trust me. I always tell the truth”
A proposition that results in paradox; If you believe it, you don’t believe it etc.
“Don’t trust me, I always lie”.
Thinking about Climate change reminds me of that scene in ‘Battle of Britain’ where someone queries the figures for aircraft shot down, and IIRC Downing says ‘I really can’t be bothered with propaganda, If they are right, the Germans will be walking down Whitehall in a months time, and if we are right, they won’t.’
IN this case if they are right, we will be in unsupportable warming by 2050, and we will be flooded with polar bears or something, because its already far far too late, according to their models, to do anything now.
OTOH if they are wrong, we wont be,
Either way its not worth spending any more money on.
Myhre and Mann remind me of the Empire Bureaucrat/scientist in the Foundation Trilogy (the first book, second half). While talking about how the empire was going to protect the foundation, he talked about his scientific work. What it boiled down to was that he read the work of others and never did any work of his own. This was used by Asimov to demonstrate the decay of the empire and its impending collapse.
He could just as easily have been talking about Climate science.
I remember well that bit from Foundation. Asimov was not kind to “scientists” who did not go to primary sources. I was trained to start at the beginning or do the field work myself, not rely on others who read the work of others who had read the work, then wrote about it.
PMK
First Scott Adams has a wonderful blog that talks about many things including GW….
I read this cartoon at his blog and later he posted a link to the rebuttal. As a complete denier since 09 I found it pulled a few nerves, seems legit etc etc I know the average person would go away reinforced, these folks are smart, they know the emperor has no clothes, but their livelihood is based on the narrative.
Of course, maybe they are totally brainwashed too, but they also know what happens to scientists who dare ask any of the wrong questions, as per Dilbert..
Yale? Hmm, all of a sudden I feel like ordering a pizza…
Pepe’s or Sally’s?
Amazing….the idiots can not see even the basics……all about climate change policy even in the global level when it comes to numbers . like Billions or Trillions in expenditure and waste of it all, all is obviously and very clearly based and driven in the interpreting, the crazy interpreting, of the GCMs numbers given……all based in the numbers given by the “Models”…..
What the f.ck these idiots are actually talking about…..do they actually have any idea or the clue when it comes to climate change policy and all the ripping off associated with it?????!!!!!
I think they do not actually, or they just happen to be a bunch of idiots given in to the stupidity of it all.
No “Models”!, how it comes to be that, when the whole numerically and other wise scam based in the most devious and intricate wrong interpretation of the “Models” that these idiots so blatantly try to dismiss now and get rid off just like that, just like that, just like it never happened, just like any other idiot down the line is bound to follow.according to the rule of idiocy , just like the next best idiot in the line……will be bound to keep doing it for ever…..hopelessly…
The prost. is clearly desperately trying a get of the Beast….isn’t it?
Hilarious…
Unbelievable that this kind of crap comes from the British amongs all….but never it stops amazing…….
Kinda of “sins of the Fathers” matter, to deal with…….a very British thing after all…
cheers
Over on warmist accuweather.com there’s a poll “Do you believe the U.S. should remain in the Paris Climate Agreement?” here:
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/trump-reportedly-decides-to-pull-us-out-of-historic-paris-climate-agreement/70001809
So far, 50% say “No”, 44% “Yes”, 5% “Undecided”.
Vote early and often!
Just voted agree that we should all vote!
Just voted no. AS of now, 1591votes cast. 66% No. 30% Yes. 4% Undecided.
and,
Passionate, sensitive, skilled but humble gatekeepers. Seems Sarah Myhre Thinks extremely highly of herself:
“Hollis was always fascinated by tidepools. You know what he used to say?…That’s where life begins. Sloughs, tidepools. When he first come out here, he figured if you dumped water into the desert sand and let it percolate down to the bedrock, it would stay there instead of evaporate the way it does in most reservoirs. You only lose 20% instead of 70 or 80. He made this city.”
Cartoon 1, Cartoonish Advocates 0
CLIMATE CHANGE is the vary last straw for leftists to grasp as it is obvious to all the world that socialism is a failure – the moral and economic argument for Marxism is zero any more.
Scientists deny that they haven’t got a clue by saying they have many clues.
And they don’t see the problem with that.
+10
It appears that like Mizzou, Yale has turned its back on advocating and defending truth and instead has chosen to advocate and advance “social justice”.
If the fate of Mizzou is a guide (enrollment down, alumni cancelling their endowments following its abject surrender to the SJW’s), Yale is in for trouble.
Reputations take decades or centuries to build, but can be destroyed in months or weeks.
A hilarious lack of self-awareness from this Yale group. 🙂
I forgot to mention, “Don’t get me started on ‘educational institutions.'”
Sometimes prestige is just a clever disguise for stupid, and you can quote me on that.
Lots of people say stupid, wrong things. Nobody listens unless they include their educational bona fides. Then they say stupid wrong things and everybody listens.
Correction: Or if they have some notoriety as an actor.
Paleoclimatic reconstructions show the Earth had been very much warmer hundreds of millions of years before humanity was around. And life flourished. Global warming catastrophe refuted.
When the Jews constructed Nehemiah’s walls around Jerusalem in 445 BCE, they completed the task in 52 days, working with a trowel in one hand & a sword in the other. Being a well paid, heavily armed, bricklayer means never having to say “Sorry, I went to Yale”.
I must say, I kept going back to the climate being “deeply unstable”. Why would make someone think that? It has been fairly stable for millions of years. During which time we have had asteroid impacts, volcanic eruptions, changes in solar output, the rise and spread of different climate altering organisms, all sorts of things have tried to “deeply disturb” the climate, to little long term effect.
Complex, chaotic, systems that are easily perturbed are never stable for any period of time. And the climate is one of the most complex, chaotic, systems we know of. To resist this chaotic complexity it MUST be deeply stable, that is, there must be numerous, redundant, compensatory mechanisms that maintain stability.
Well it does fluctuate wildly from sauna to ice age… on a geologic time scale 🙂
We are, in fact, in the midst of an ice age. This is an interglacial period and cooling is what we should be worried about. It could be imminent, we have no reason to believe that any amount of CO2 would prevent it and it would kill billions!
The most notorious example of ignoring data that ‘looks wrong’ IMO (applies to Mann et al as well of course):
The Yale angle would give me great satisfaction as a Harvard grad, except Harvard hired Oreskes. So I stopped all contributions in protest. At least that got the ‘major gifts’ office off my back.
Ross –
Any chance that you could get Scott Adams to do a cartoon in which Dilbert asks them to explain all the variables that are used in the formulas in the models, and if any of the values input are guesses?
I believe the topic title should be changed from
“Dilbert 1, Scientists 0”
to
“Dilbert 1, Alleged “climate scientists” 0″
Actual scientists are in agreement with Dilbert.
Dilbert 1, CACA Consensus 0.
nice to know thx