California Governor Brown imposing massive regulations for meaningless climate goals

Guest essay by Larry Hamlin

California Governor Brown’s SB 32 law requiring the state to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to levels 40% below levels measured in 1990 is necessitating the development of massive numbers of new regulations and policy that will allow the state government to control and dictate virtually every aspect of Californian’s lives including:

  • where and how they can live,
  • what kind of jobs and businesses they can work in,
  • what kind of housing they can have,
  • what kind of car they can drive (if any),
  • how many miles can they drive,
  • what kind of public transportation they must use,
  • how many times they must walk and bicycle,
  • how much and what kind of energy they can use,
  • what kind and how food can be farmed,

etc, etc.

The AB 32 year 2020 greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets (year 2020 levels reduced to year 1990 measured levels) could be achieved by primarily addressing electricity generation and industrial sector greenhouse gas emission reduction efforts through increased use of renewable energy, energy efficiency and fuel substitution efforts.

But the SB 32 emission targets are so absurdly set that every aspect of Californian’s lives must be dictated and controlled to achieve Governor Brown’s ludicrous climate alarmist driven goals.

The largest single source of the states greenhouse gas emissions by far and away is the transportation sector (37%) with the industrial sector second (24%) , instate electricity generation third (12%) and import electricity generation and agriculture tied at fourth (8%).

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The massive escalation in the states greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets between SB 32 versus AB 32 is huge with the reduced emissions target level declining from AB 32 levels of 431 million metric tons in 2020 to SB 32 levels of 259 million metric tons in 2030.

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This huge escalation in emissions reduction as well as the shorter time period for accomplishing the reduction to achieve California’s 2030 greenhouse gas emissions goal means that every sector of the states economic activity will be mandated to undertake unprecedented, hugely costly and far reaching measures to contribute toward trying to meet these politically contrived requirements.

But what does the impact of California’s massive new government bureaucracy and costly effort to achieve its SB 32 emissions reduction goals mean relative to the global greenhouse gas emissions levels?

The 2016 EIA IEO report documents that global CO2 emissions in 2030 are forecast to be 39,103 million metric tons of CO2 with these emissions levels dominated by the developing nations lead by China and India.

California’s greenhouse gas emissions are comprised of about 84% CO2 which means that the reduction of CO2 between SB32 and AB 32 is about 144 million metric tons of CO2 by year 2030.

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Thus the California SB 32 CO2 reduction target is less than 0.4% of the global CO2 emissions EIA forecasts for year 2030 which is truly trivial and insignificant. This level of reduced emissions has no meaningful impact whatsoever at a global scale.

Those attempting to argue that other countries will follow California’s lead in emissions reduction are completely out of touch with reality with what the world’s largest and fastest growing emissions countries are now doing regarding the increased use of coal fuel on a global basis.

China is now generating electricity using coal fuel at record high levels and in addition is engaging in efforts with other countries such as Pakistan to build large numbers of coal plants in that country.

China also has an on-going global strategy based on building coal power and was involved in 240 coal power projects in 65 countries between 2001 and 2016.

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India is going forward with large numbers of new coal plants and completely ignoring any voluntary emissions reduction commitment discussed under the Paris agreement.

A new paper concludes  that India will rely upon use of coal fuel as its energy mainstay for the next 30 years.

Additionally both China and India increasingly dominate ownership of coal reserves  with 117 companies identified producing 3 billion tons of coal a year with 150 billion tons of coal in reserves.

Africa has announced plans for building more than 100 new coal plants to address its severe energy shortages that are contributing to the dismal economic condition of many of its countries.

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The idea that many other world countries that desire high energy growth using coal fuel regardless of the greenhouse gas emission levels are going to abandon their enormous existing use and future growth of coal fuel because of California’s ridiculous climate alarmist driven schemes is totally absurd.

A recent series of articles in the L. A. Times outlined the massive regulatory and policy change impacts that SB 32 will impose upon the people of California here, here, and here.

In these articles extraordinary admissions are noted from the states leaders about the complete lack of knowledge, expertise and experience of the state government needed to achieve these escalated emissions goals demonstrating that these leaders are cavalierly plunging ahead with SB 32 politically driven emissions reduction mandates:

without regard to the massive economic consequences,

without clear understanding of how these emission levels can be achieved,

without comprehensive communication to the 37 million people of California whose existing lives and futures will be ripped apart by the demands imposed by these goals and

without any mention of the global irrelevance and meaningless of the outcome of achieving these state emission reduction goals.

The state governments monumental arrogance in moving forward with SB 32 is characterized in the following observations contained in the Times articles:

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Serious concerns about the economic damage the states emissions goals could create were noted in the Times articles as well:

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State Senate leader Kevin de Leon’s quote in a recent article captures an astounding display of climate alarmist elitism that shrugs off as unimportant the huge yet unknown impacts of the states emission mandates on its 37 million residents.

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The state doesn’t know what it’s doing but Senate leader Kevin de Leon has decided “The debate is over”.

The Times articles address how SB 32 emissions goals will have dramatic impacts mandating increased housing density and significantly decreased motor vehicle use in California requiring many tens of billions of dollars in expenditures across the state to accomplish.

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The Times articles further address the unknowns and uncertainty regarding how the huge reductions in driving miles and transportation emissions related required decreases can be achieved.

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The states agricultural industry will also be dramatically impacted by SB 32 mandates as noted in the Times articles.

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Perhaps the most ridiculous and absurd comment regarding the value of the SB 32 emission reduction mandates contained in the Times articles was the following:

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How can any rational person credibly claim that China, India and other energy hungry developing nations of the world are going to “export” the folly of California’s climate alarmist policies to their countries?

California has now created a world where Governor Brown, Senate leader Kevin de Leon and Air Board Chairwomen Mary Nichols will determine at huge cost and without the appropriate knowledge, expertise, planning and communication how everyone of the 37 million people of the state must live every aspect of their lives to meet meaningless climate goals with the resulting massive sacrifices that will impact California citizens having no consequence on the global emissions stage.

California is proceeding down this absurd emissions reduction path while the “science” supposedly supporting climate alarmism claims is crumbling with global climate models shown to be flawed and failed by climate scientist testimony before Congress and UN IPCC acknowledgements of the undeniable truth that it is impossible to create credible global climate models which, in fact, has been the case for the last 25 years.

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Additionally testimony before Congress also shows no connection between greenhouse gas emissions and increased severe weather, including hurricanes, tornadoes, floods and droughts, as falsely claimed by climate alarmists.

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Finally NOAA 2016 updated coastal sea level rise tide gauge data shows no acceleration in sea level rise along the California coastline or anywhere else despite false claims by the UN IPCC that man made emissions have been increasing rates of sea level rise since the 1970’s.

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California’s politically driven climate alarmist emissions reduction goals are meaningless and completely unnecessary and threaten to produce massive damage to the states economy and to the lives and freedoms of all of its 37 million citizens.

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May 19, 2017 8:58 am

This sort of thing is the sort of thing that caused me to leave California for Texas. When you think the politicians have hit a peak of weirdness, they exceed their previous example.

Stu
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 19, 2017 12:09 pm

One unspoken outcome is their stupidity becomes the envy of other state legislatures and is cloned into stupid laws in other states too.

Greg
Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 12:42 pm

This is not stupidity, stupid.

SB 32 law requiring the state to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to levels 40% below levels measured in 1990 is necessitating the development of massive numbers of new regulations and policy that will allow the state government to control and dictate virtually every aspect of Californian’s lives

That is the whole aim from the politicians PoV and from the leffy “progressive” climate lobby. Their aim is to dictate all aspects of peoples’ lives.
Sob 32 is just one part of that movement.

Greg
Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 12:43 pm

Sorry, that should have read SoB 32.

Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 2:55 pm

The only thing sadder and more pathetic than the pathetic gibberish published in this blog are the people who are dumb enough to believe this utter bull crap. You love to be lied to. You lap up the lies as if there is no tomorrow. Do you have a sign on your foreheads: Over here, I am gullible and poorly educated, lie to me! And because you can’t differentiate between fakery and facts, you think that you are in a special club of people with special fake knowledge, judging and blaming everyone who is actually educated and knowledgeable and connected to reality. You ought to be thanking people who have got their heads screwed on right and actually do something.
[The mods are confused. Are you discussing the NYTimes/LATimes/WashPo/SA websites and their readers? .mod]

TeeWee
Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 3:38 pm

What will Gov. Brown do about all the smoke and pollution drifting into California from Mexico? Perhaps he could build a pollution wall. Yeah…that’s it. A big wall with solar powered fans on top to blow the polluting smoke back to the South during the daytime.

sunsettommy
Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 5:06 pm
sunsettommy
Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 5:12 pm

By the way Lisa, you have yet to address the blog post,which is a common behavior of a warmist fanatic,seen everywhere.

Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 5:39 pm

[ mod ], lisa addresses wuwt + readers!
Cheers – Hans

Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 5:43 pm

And doing so Lisa was able to raise a smile since don’t remember when.

Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 6:15 pm

Lisa reminds me of Nick Stokes, of whom I still do not know whether he is from the family of the famous fluid dynamics.
And thus to a “Salzburg heute” TV show with the great-grandson of Christian Doppler.
This great-grandson is, of course, a celebrity in the birthplace of the famous physicist,
when asked by the reporter to the Doppler effect, he replied “I am not so concerned with science, I could not say anything about this Doppler effect.”

Greg
Reply to  Stu
May 19, 2017 6:38 pm

Thanks Lisa, despite the general insults and ranting, you do not challenge ANYTHING presented here. Is there anything you are able to refute ? Apparently not.
Like most alarmists you are just venting your frustrations that not everyone is as unquestioning as you are. I’m sure that you feel better now that you have underlined political identity in public and tweeted everyone about how you bravely insulted WUWT readers from the safety of your keyboard. Well done.
“I’m politically leftwing, therefore I love the environment, therefore CARBON ! ” Thanks Lisa for explaining what identity politics is all about.

wws
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 19, 2017 1:01 pm

Exactly what I was thinking. As a Texan, I kind of feel bad for Californians, but they’ve got feet.
To me, this only means that any manufacturing industries that California has left will be shutting down, and a lot of that will be moving to Texas. (since we’re actively recruiting them already) Cheaper energy, infinitely better regulatory environment, much lower taxes – for anyone with any kind of plant that is a big energy user, the move is a slam dunk.
The funny/sad thing is that once they finally realize how much trouble they’ve made for themselves, they’re going to try and get them back – but it’ll be too late. It will be generations before any serious business owners trust that state again.

bitchilly
Reply to  wws
May 19, 2017 2:29 pm

it would be better to build a wall around the entire state of california .let those that live there know it will become a zero fossil fuel and associated product state and they must make their mind up whether to leave or stay by a certain date.
those in other states that wish to live like that can move to california prior to the wall being closed . give it ten years and i am sure the vast majority of occupants will have changed their minds regarding the evils of fossil fuels and co2.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  wws
May 19, 2017 2:52 pm

Don’t feel sorry for them. Laugh at them.
They will get what they deserve, and quite a bit more besides.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  wws
May 19, 2017 3:41 pm

Breathtaking legislating. Bold, innovative, California leading the nation.
(Bring the business, leave the lefties.)
Mike in Houston

Malcolm Carter
Reply to  wws
May 19, 2017 11:02 pm

Maybe they will let the rich buy indulgences so that they can continue to fly their Leers and motor their yachts. Thankfully California is doing the great religious experiment on 35 million of their own and I live a long way away. Perhaps by 2025 we see the Utopia and follow what seemed like madness or see the Dystopia and have a quiet chuckle as we shed a small tear.

oeman50
Reply to  wws
May 20, 2017 9:01 am

“bitchilly May 19, 2017 at 2:29 pm
it would be better to build a wall around the entire state of california .”
Are you talking about “Escape from California? ” Where is Snake Plissken when you really need him?

Leonard Lane
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 19, 2017 1:05 pm

Perhaps a rational response to California’s disastrous CO2 reduction plan might include some of the following elements.
1) Determine if these drastic steps are likely to survive court challenges and elections. If there is a high probability, then start on your personal action plan.
2) Plan your departure from California for a near optimal time. Before property/business values plummet to recoup the maximum the maximum of your investments through sales at good prices.
3) Simultaneously investigate the best states/cities to move to when you leave California.
4) Carefully plan and begin your steps to depart, but do so in quiet to maximize your individual sales and transfers.
5) Accomplish you move/transfer early in the departures before the peak departure time which will coincide with the minimum return from property/investments
6) Once you decide, to move DO NOT take your “California habits and practices” with you (including your leftist political views if you have them).
7) Try your best to adopt the culture and political views of your destination state/city and change everything in your mind and habits that caused you to leave California. Take none of the bad things with you.
8) Make up your mind that if you are gong to leave, that everything will be better at your new out of state location: people, culture, weather, politics, education, religion (yes you will need one), opportunities, work habits, recreation, etc.. NEVER think or talk about how California was better in this way, that, way, etc. this will only make you unhappy with the move and make your new friends and neighbors wish you would go back to California and take your superiority complex with you.
9) Always remember you are after a new life, not a blend of the old and new.
10) Be happy with the change and look to the future knowing you made the correct decision.

Reply to  Leonard Lane
May 19, 2017 5:44 pm

Mass exodus will help with the Manmade emissions reductions and impact….none except “nature” left doing anything. Look for any difference. / Semi sarc

TomBR
Reply to  Leonard Lane
May 19, 2017 7:32 pm

11. Summary of items 6 through 10: DO NOT Californicate.

South River Independent
Reply to  Leonard Lane
May 19, 2017 7:40 pm

This will require some kind of computer model.

Mark Stephens
Reply to  Leonard Lane
May 19, 2017 9:45 pm

It always a blend of old and new, its never that clear cut. What would I need a region for FFS? Is that a migration requirement now? I will need to join the colander wearers.

David B
Reply to  Leonard Lane
May 20, 2017 1:35 pm

Thank you, very well said. I wish all Europeans were forced to read your comments before immigrating. I am equally sick of that bunch of pompous degenerates.

Reply to  Leonard Lane
May 20, 2017 2:28 pm

As life in CA becomes noticeably more difficult, there are two more things to do.
1. Look for the bottom in the real estate market as more and more people leave the state,
2. Build the opposition either Republican or Libertarian Party to take over once those who remain in California revolt.

Reply to  Tom Halla
May 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Time for California to split-up into two states – the coastal regions for the loonies and the rest for the sane people. At the least, a lot more companies will relocate to freedom friendly states. The entire West Coast is in danger of losing their collective minds.

Mark Stephens
Reply to  pyeatte
May 19, 2017 9:48 pm

I suspect they will loose a lot of good minds through this

Reply to  pyeatte
May 20, 2017 7:59 am

“The entire West Coast is in danger of losing their collective minds.”
Too late. The loony left has taken over and due diligence has become a test of whether or not something fits the narrative. Even otherwise intelligent people are being sucked in by the fake news, fake science and fake brains.

rogerthesurf
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 19, 2017 3:39 pm

These policies sound very much like Agenda 21 to me.
This is a nasty influence coming from the United Nations and it has struck my city and many others around the world.
Property rights are included in Governor Brown’s craziness as they proved to be under threat although a little more subtle during the earthquakes that devastated my city.
Property rights or confiscation of them feature prominently under Agenda 21 and its off shoots.
See page 8 here.
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/unitednations-conference-on-human-settlements_habitat1.pdf
I have an account of the aftermath of the earthquake here which trampled on property rights in a reasonably subtle way.
https://thedemiseofchristchurch.com/2012/11/29/hello-world/
Be sure to read all the links you can.
Cheers
Roger

James in Perth
Reply to  rogerthesurf
May 19, 2017 6:33 pm

The good news is that if the regulations overshoot and are found to constitute a “taking,” then the cost will bankrupt the state. I can only see that as a positive if it ends the socialist experiment or if it results in the withdrawal of the regulations.

Manfred
Reply to  rogerthesurf
May 19, 2017 7:33 pm

I was wondering as I read down through the postings when someone would join the Californian dots to show the picture of the UN Sustainable Development Agenda and UN Urban Agenda, Habitat III. The UN aims at 2030 as their installation date, the date when they anticipate being able to implement their ‘oversight’ by global ‘administration’, aided and abetted by the euphemistically named ‘Civil Society’, the several thousand UN accredited NGO’s. Proto-global supranational entities like the EU already portray the horror of things to come. Micro-supranational globalism experiments like New Zealand appear well underway, as a once formerly proud and independent country happily and secretly embraces eco-Marxist globalism (TPP), even without the US.

markl
Reply to  Manfred
May 21, 2017 8:00 pm

“Most” people are unaware of the efforts to change society to meet UN expectations. It’s stealth efforts from above and from the bottom to minimize concern … and knowledge … of what’s transpiring. People that try to bring it to the publics’ attention are successfully labeled conspiracy theorists by the compliant MSM.

PrivateCitizen
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 19, 2017 10:54 pm

I see the rage here spewed at “them” Californians (tarring everyone in CA with the idiot libtard brush) but remember you are hating on fellow citizens who despise our state government as much as you do. We do “have feet to leave” but selling a home and moving can’t be done in an instant. I moved as far away from SoCal and SF Bay area as I could to enjoy the natural beauty and quiet here on the far northern CA coast, but now even that not enough to keep me here.

Scott
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 20, 2017 7:18 pm

Oh it gets worse: The People’s Republic of California is up to serious no good and even Governor Moonbeam is against this one. Think of how extreme that has to be to happen?
BIG HEALTH INSURANCE update. What you need to know NOW. Hang on to your hat… the topic may surprise you.
KEEP READING! – THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT, IT’S JUST MORE OF HOW CALIFORNIA IS TRYING TO BECOME THE “EX GOLDEN STATE”. There is nothing to “buy” here. It’s what you’ll be “sold” if you live in California – like it or not.
It’s why businesses due to Climate nonsense and other reasons will leave the state to Bankruptcy and quick.
SB 562 — the Healthy California Act — is working its way through Sacramento right now.
SB 562 proposes a single payer system for CA. You will NOT get to vote on it
Single payer = “rationed” medical care.
SB 562 means the State controls and pays for your health care.
YOU pay the state (significantly) higher taxes.
You will have no other choice. You will see the doctors who participate in the State’s program, and only if/when they’re available.
Here’s what we DO know for sure:
IF SB 562 passes, ALL existing plans WILL end (including employer / Individual / Medicare / Medi-cal)
IF SB 562 passes, nine unregulated board members and an advisory committee appointed by the governor will control your benefits
IF SB 562 passes, it will be paid by YOUR increased taxes (the state needs $179 billion in new taxes!)
And here’s what we can probably guess will happen:
You won’t get to decide your coverage
ALL payroll taxes and self-employment taxes will skyrocket
Rationed health care. It means you can’t just see any doctor and long wait times.
Estimated personal income tax increase of $9200 for everyone, probably increasing every year
Doctors won’t get paid very well, which could cause them to leave CA
Government run … AKA if you need help with your coverage, your only call will be to a government call center (like calling the IRS but worse!)
There’ll be no professional, experienced brokers to advocate for you
SB 562 is a bad idea. Do DOES OUR LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN!
Call, write, email your reps ASAP — express your concerns about SB 562.
Here’s how to find and contact your CA State Assembly members and Senators.
Please share with your friends in CA! Start local, go big, make a difference!

RWturner
May 19, 2017 8:58 am

This should help growth in other states. Good job Governor Moon Beam, I like what you got!

Rhoda R
Reply to  RWturner
May 19, 2017 10:00 am

Unfortunately, the same people who voted for Gov Loony Tune are the ones moving and bringing their madness with them.

Brian
Reply to  Rhoda R
May 19, 2017 11:13 am

We are bracing for another influx of Californian refugees in the Pacific Northwest.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Rhoda R
May 19, 2017 2:09 pm

The California expats are already well know for Californicating the adjacent states. Looks like now they will just spread their diseases further abroad to more states.

Leonard Lane
Reply to  Rhoda R
May 19, 2017 3:49 pm

Rhoda R. That has been often true in the past, ruined the real estate markets in AZ, OR, etc., new Homeowners Associations with near Nazi rules, influx of leftist voters–in short all they left California to escape. But it doesn’t have to be that way. See my my comment above at: May 19, 2017 at 1:05 pm
Only by making a clean break from California, remembering nothing about California, going free of their old ways, thoughts, and personalities, politics, political correctness, etc. and adopting a new life in their new state/city by adopting local culture, politics, etc. and truly accepting a new and different life in their new homes. They should seek a 100% new life immersed in the new location and forget about the past. Only then will they be fully accepted and happy. Lugging along the old problems from their old life will only ruin their new life too.

Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2017 8:59 am

Moonbeam Brown puts the looney in looneytunes.

Bob boder
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2017 9:19 am

I can’t wait for Calexit

ferdberple
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 9:38 am
ferdberple
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 9:41 am
HotScot
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 1:13 pm

ferdberple
Why do I get this unnatural, overwhelming desire, to smash a former, clapping, presidential candidate in the mouth and remove all his teeth, sans anaesthetic, other than for a few large drams for myself.
A smug, former tobacco baron, who by his own admission didn’t leave tobacco cultivation until he could afford to, and then went on to another form of rabid public exploitation by dealing in carbon credits.
Talk about a human parasite, Gore is it. By comparison, he consigns Trump to the position in contemporary legend status occupied by the likes of John Lennon, David Bowie and our own Terry Wogan. Three of the most charismatic, talented and popular people in the UK.
In reality, Trump is nowhere near those three in any of their qualities, but Gore manages to make it seem he is.
And I’m a Brit!

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
May 19, 2017 1:07 pm

Ya he didn’t get the name moonbeam for nothing but it is a brilliant plan because all the poor will leave,and even landscapers will have to give up gas powered tools.

Javert Chip
Reply to  tim c (@timcofga)
May 19, 2017 2:43 pm

As long as the money flows, the poor have it pretty good.
CA has about 12% of USA population, but about 33% of the welfare cases.

MarkW
May 19, 2017 9:02 am

When these new regulations ban the mansions of the rich and powerful and limit them to the same square footage as a middle class California family, then I’ll be impressed.
Until then, it’s just virtue signaling.

Bob boder
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 9:08 am

Kim Un Brown is trying to make sure that North Korea does shoot a nuke at California by proving that California is every bit as much committed to Communism as North Korea is.

Bob boder
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 9:13 am

“doesn’t” that is

ferdberple
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 9:58 am

California is safe from nuclear attack. It has been declared a nuclear free zone. The regulations are piled so high missiles simply bounce off.

Tom O
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 10:59 am

MarkW, these new regulations will not affect the rich and famous at all. They are designed only for the bottom 90% or so. The intent is to make the average people live in apartment clusters were the square footage will probably not exceed 500 for a 3 bed closet space. This is Agenda 21 at its finest – all population grouped into rats warrens and the rest of the state to be left pristine for the elite to enjoy.
I would guess, also, that the cost of living will be as high as the average income, so no one is ever going to be able to save enough to move. And don’t be surprised to discover that, in the end, there won’t even be roadways between the human enclaves(at least not for the average people to use), so just trying to leave California will be near impossible – unless you are among the elite.
And as for all those electric cars, well, I am not sure where they will be parked since they probably won’t be able to recharge them at the probable energy costs and likely quotas allowed, and if they have roof mounted solar panels to top up the batteries, that still probably won’t be enough to power all the tracking electronics that will be required in the vehicles to insure they aren’t used more than government allows – probably 30 miles or so a day.
Good luck Californians because your government knows what’s best for you, and just remember, you may vote, but you don’t buy the politicians like some people do, so don’t think you are going to change anything in any later election. The “pollies'” owners just wrapped up millions of acres of enjoyable land for themselves without having to buy any of it.

Richard
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 11:46 am

The laws and regulations will never affect how rich people live. There will always be ways around it because the rich people run the state.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard
May 19, 2017 12:22 pm

That explains why the rich don’t pay any taxes.

RG
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 2:32 pm

MarkW – the State will never touch the wealthy left. They will be exempted (as long as they profess to be good Demorats). Even now, the legislature is quietly writing laws to protect the hollywood crowd. They will likewise serve the tech crowd too. Never assume the left are stupid. They’re far too greedy and entitled for that.

sarastro92
May 19, 2017 9:05 am

As with Green Germany, Green California Will eventually become an object lesson for the rest of the world. This is the only way we can learn. And besides these are all popular measures so give the people what they want

Bob boder
Reply to  sarastro92
May 19, 2017 9:11 am

Not the only way we CAN learn but maybe the only way we WILL learn and even that is sketchy, it usually takes mass starvation before communist learn any lessons.

commieBob
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 9:52 am

… it usually takes mass starvation before communist learn any lessons.

Stalin starved 7 million people to death in 1933. He stayed in power until he died two decades later. He obviously learned nothing. link
Mao starved 15 million. He stayed in power another decade and a half. He also learned nothing. link
You’re going to have to produce some convincing evidence before I will believe your assertion that these folks are capable of learning.

ferdberple
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 10:23 am

Stalin, Mao they learned you stay in power a lot longer if you starve your enemies. Especially if done in the name of helping your enemies see the error of their ways.

Bob boder
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 10:33 am

Ouch I stand corrected!

MikeP
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 10:35 am

reply to CommieBob … Stalin’s forced starvation was on purpose, so what he learned was that the tactic worked … the world did not care … and in fact the “paper of record”, the NY Times, denied it was even occurring while it was going on … nothing to see here … So why would Stalin’s success cause him to lose power?
I don’t know about Mao’s starvation … was it also a “failure” or a “success”? … you need to measure these in the terms of those involved, not your own ethical ideas …

Butch
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 10:55 am

They did not “Learn” because the West and the useless U.N. stood by and did nothing to help !!

MikeP
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 11:07 am

reply to Butch … The UN was founded in 1945, so wasn’t around to support Stalin … The League of Nations, however, welcomed the Soviet Union to membership in 1934, the year after … this following formal recognition of the Soviet Union by Roosevelt in November 1933 …

Dave Fair
Reply to  MikeP
May 19, 2017 11:15 am

Without looking it up, I remember the UN as being founded during a 1948 meeting in San Francisco.

Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 11:25 am

7 people dying is a tragedy. 7 million dying is a statistic

Jones
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 2:17 pm

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Latitude
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 2:28 pm

the world did not care … and in fact the “paper of record”, the NY Times, denied it was even occurring while it was going on … nothing to see here …
Venezuela

Roger Knights
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 4:06 pm

Wikipedia says that the UN was formed in October 1945. Another site gives more details: Oct. 24 in Lake Success, NY.

Jer0me
Reply to  Bob boder
May 19, 2017 5:24 pm

My grandfather, Alexander Wienerberger, outed Stalin for tgan famine in his book, one of only 2 published records of the famine. He spent 16 years in Lubyanka overall.
[Thank you for his courage, but the mods don’t recognize “tgan famine”.
What is the title of his book? .mod]

sarastro92
Reply to  sarastro92
May 19, 2017 11:05 am

Call me Bob eventually the malice were displaced in Beijing and much of that tradition has been repudiated. China is probably the greatest living example crony capitalism the world has ever seen. The Maoist tradition in China is pretty much dead. The case of Stalin’s even starker. So it is true that people eventually learn Great historical lessons after much suffering. They’re starting to catch on in Germany into a certain extent in the US that green energy policies are highly ineffective and the road towards penury and suffering. Germany and California as I say Will become object lessons in failure

sarastro92
Reply to  sarastro92
May 19, 2017 11:07 am

Sorry commie Bob the first sentence was a little garbled. But I did say is that eventually the Maoists were displaced in Beijing and indeed the Stalinists were replaced in Russia.

Javert Chip
Reply to  sarastro92
May 19, 2017 2:50 pm

sarastro92
it’s unclear “displaced” and “replaced” correctly describe the situation.
All societies (even commie ones) evolve over time. Have Russia & China “evolved” – yea; have they repudiated Stalin & Mao – no.

Roger Knights
Reply to  sarastro92
May 19, 2017 4:09 pm

“Germany and California as I say Will become object lessons in failure”
Along with Spain, Ontario, and the UK (soon); and Australia (ditto).

Ray
May 19, 2017 9:06 am

This like everything else the barking moonbats want is about control, of life, of money, of everything. It was never about climate, or guns or water or air. It was always about turning the small minded fools into self anointed god kings.

MarkW
May 19, 2017 9:07 am

How exactly do they get less “carbon” in transportation fuels? Switch to hydrogen?

RWturner
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 9:24 am

Switch to chemical energy fuel.comment image

Dave Fair
Reply to  RWturner
May 19, 2017 10:45 am

You gotta feed the guy though, RWturner. Plus, think of his methane emissions!

Tom O
Reply to  RWturner
May 19, 2017 11:02 am

But under exertion, he probably breaths out more carbon dioxide than the average engine doing the same amount of work.

Reply to  RWturner
May 19, 2017 8:46 pm

The guy is thankful for a job in tourism business.

Don K
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 11:30 am

They could switch to CNG which works fine as a transportation fuel except for a mild propensity to incinerate the car, driver and any passengers in the event of a collision. But the actual carbon saving wouldn’t be that great. They’ll probably come up with something weirder than that.

rbabcock
Reply to  Don K
May 19, 2017 12:04 pm

Rubber bands come to mind.

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Don K
May 21, 2017 6:31 pm

rbabcock — you clown you !!! — Eugene WR Gallun

MarkW
May 19, 2017 9:08 am

They want to dramatically increase the number of electric vehicles while at the same time getting rid of fossil fuel power plants.
The left hand needs to get acquainted with the right hand.

Bob boder
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 9:12 am

They only have left hands!

Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 9:48 am

Both hands are to busy doing other things … every since they were first issued the challange they have been trying to find their butt.

Butch
Reply to  DonM
May 19, 2017 10:57 am

Well, that is understandable, since their heads are up their butts ! Hard to see in the dark…

JustAnOldGuy
Reply to  DonM
May 19, 2017 6:31 pm

They’re not trying to find their butt. They’re trying to find your butt. No sexual motivation involved either. They’re just looking for your wallet. To paraphrase a famous quote, “Grab ’em by their pocketbooks; their hearts and minds will follow.” Secession wasn’t the answer. Now let’s try expulsion.

dan no longer in CA
Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 2:19 pm

Tesla, their darling electric car manufacturer, needed to expand from their factory in California. Where did they build it? In Nevada, not California.

Javert Chip
Reply to  dan no longer in CA
May 19, 2017 2:54 pm

I believe the CA factory is actually the old Toyota & GM factory that closed, among other reasons, due to high union wages. This implies the current workers might be of the same ilk. Stay tuned.

Tom in Florida
May 19, 2017 9:09 am

What you will hear is a giant sucking sound as people leave Kalifornia in droves. And please don’t come to Florida.

Latitude
Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 19, 2017 2:30 pm

…from your lips to God’s ear

Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 19, 2017 5:52 pm

Florida…isn’t that the state founded on drug trade?

woodfezman@yahoo.com
May 19, 2017 9:09 am

It’s not about Climate, it’s about Agenda 2040. State control of people’s lives- soft communism wrapped up in an environmental smokescreen.

TCE
Reply to  woodfezman@yahoo.com
May 19, 2017 12:05 pm

The fallacious notion is that this is about saving the environment.
That is a lie.
This will create an absolute dictatorship over the people of California, destroy the economy, throw several hundred thousand people out of work, force companies to leave California, reduce the value of real estate, increase the price of food, clothing, gasoline, diesel fuel and propane, and severely limit individual freedom.
Is this what we want?

Javert Chip
Reply to  TCE
May 19, 2017 2:58 pm

Apparently; CA keeps voting these clown back in. It’s not like Jerry Brown is a surprise to anybody.
Even Chavez was democratically elected. Some electorates get hooked on the kool-aid.

Bruce Wilkins
May 19, 2017 9:09 am

How do people like that get elected? Snapple fact 682,” More turkeys are raised in California than in any other state in the United States.”

Bob boder
Reply to  Bruce Wilkins
May 19, 2017 9:12 am

Ha ha! that one is good

Dave Fair
Reply to  Bruce Wilkins
May 19, 2017 10:56 am

Bruce, the continental U.S. tilts to the Southwest and everything loose rolls into CA.

Butch
Reply to  Bruce Wilkins
May 19, 2017 10:59 am

…”Illegal Voting” ?

MarkW
Reply to  Butch
May 19, 2017 12:25 pm

Those who don’t pay taxes voting for more free stuff.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Butch
May 19, 2017 12:57 pm

Spot on.

Doonman
Reply to  Bruce Wilkins
May 19, 2017 7:44 pm

People who do not live in California do not realize that the sheer number of people who live in 5 counties out of 58 decide all the statewide races. All those counties are located in Southern California, where over 33% of the populace is on welfare and 33% of those that aren’t work in government jobs.

John Bell
May 19, 2017 9:13 am

It will be super interesting what fallout this causes, businesses will be leaving, and I wonder if there will be law suits to counter this. Popcorn please! When I lived in Wisconsin from 85-95 I had to have my car sniffed every year, but in Ohio and Michigan they do not do that.

Rick C PE
Reply to  John Bell
May 19, 2017 9:47 am

Huh? I’ve lived in Wisconsin 67 years and have owned cars for 50. Never have had a requirement for emissions checks in Wisconsin.

Gerry Cooper
Reply to  Rick C PE
May 19, 2017 10:00 am

I can remember taking the Pontiac Catalina land yacht to a test station to have a probe inserted – in Wisconsin.

John Bell
Reply to  Rick C PE
May 19, 2017 11:00 am

It was Waukesha county, near Milwaukee, no joke, from 1985-1995 and a few times I flunked the test with a base model 1986 SAAB 900.

Tom O
Reply to  Rick C PE
May 19, 2017 11:06 am

Most exhaust emissions programs are limited to the cities. If you lived in a “rural” county, then you probably never had the pleasure of having that wand stuck up your tailpipe. Yeah, doesn’t sound quite right!

Reply to  Rick C PE
May 19, 2017 11:39 am

Rick, living in MD, they only require the vehicle emissions testing in certain regions of the state. I’d assume that’s the case in WI.

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  John Bell
May 19, 2017 11:21 am

N Carolina is still like that. And not just emissions testing. OBD emissions-related sensors testing, too. If one fails you can’t get an inspection sticker until you get it fixed. And you can’t renew your tag until you pass inspection. A real racket.

Curious George
May 19, 2017 9:15 am

I applaud this effort to create new jobs: 25,000 regulators (my estimate). This puts Trump to shame.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Curious George
May 19, 2017 10:45 am

Don’t forget to count the Carbon Gestapo.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
May 19, 2017 9:20 am

At least it will be an interesting race to see which of California, Germany, the U.K or South Australia hits the green insanity complete power failure epic shutdown followed by mass public fury first. Should WUWT organize a sweepstake, keeping 50 per cent of the £5 bets to fund its excellent work, with the rest going to the punters naming the exact day/that meltdown (24 plus hours of more than 90 per cent power shutdown) finally occurs?
My bet would be South Australia on 14 July 2019 (no offense Aussie friends). But I wouldn’t discount the U.K. Hitting the buffers first.

arthur4563
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
May 19, 2017 9:31 am

The UK has rather large plans for new nuclear. Ocean windpower has dimmed their enthusiam for
unreliable power generation

View from the Solent
Reply to  arthur4563
May 19, 2017 12:27 pm

We (UK) have had those plans for years. And still nothing is being built.

Ron Williams
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
May 19, 2017 9:44 am

I wouldn’t count Ontario out in your list of failed green states of misery…

Butch
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
May 19, 2017 11:04 am

…I’ll put $50 on California !

Taylor Pohlman
May 19, 2017 9:29 am

Those folks who envied South America as having the shining example of Venezuela can now relax, the US, and by extension North America, is about to have our own. I’m not sure if even Silicon Valley can save them not. Viva Calexit!

oneofthepoor
May 19, 2017 9:31 am

Those in the upper wealth bracket will feel little effect at first, but they will become the tax base. Those who are able to move will do so. Those who are in the lower income brackets will be unable to escape or will have to leave whatever little they have an seek a subsistence living elsewhere. The uncaring ruling class has not changed in 100s of years. Let them eat cake.

Javert Chip
Reply to  oneofthepoor
May 19, 2017 3:07 pm

The upper wealth bracket is already feeling it: of CA’s 37M citizens, 145,000 pay 50% of the state’s income tax.
If Trump’s proposal to eliminate state tax deduction for Federal taxes passes (why should other states subsidize high-tax states?), that’ll significantly increase taxes for those in already high-tax states.

PiperPaul
Reply to  oneofthepoor
May 19, 2017 6:40 pm
Taylor Pohlman
May 19, 2017 9:34 am

And by the way, if anyone’s asking, this is why I left California years ago for Maine. Local motto: “use it up, wear it out, make do or do without”. A better pean to self-reliance cannot be found.

Taylor Pohlman
Reply to  Taylor Pohlman
May 19, 2017 9:38 am

Pean = Paean (hymn of praise). Turns out there are alternative, unrelated definitions of “pean”.

Ron Williams
May 19, 2017 9:40 am

So much for California Dreamin’…sounding more like a Kalifornian nightmare. The perils of green evangelism has gone off the rails. Gives new meaning to the Grapes of Wrath.

Butch
Reply to  Ron Williams
May 19, 2017 11:08 am

…Not if you are a “Beach Bum” collecting welfare provided by the ever dwindling number of Taxpayers !
PROOF ?? Watch !

John Bell
Reply to  Butch
May 19, 2017 12:07 pm

$200 a month? 50 per week I would almost starve!

Butch
Reply to  Butch
May 19, 2017 3:26 pm

OMG, what do you weigh, 600 lbs ?

Butch
Reply to  Butch
May 19, 2017 3:27 pm

AND, that is just for food…He gets other money…

Eustace Cranch
May 19, 2017 9:47 am

This has been a tough century so far for anti-authoritarians like me. I’m very dismayed and pessimistic about the increasing acceptance of centralized state power to manage our lives and control our behavior. More and more, government doesn’t trust us with individual freedom. Neither does the Left. “Question authority,” once a sacred concept to them, has become heresy. The State is assuming the role of God, with enthusiastic support of acolytes like Griff. Marching dreamy-eyed into the clutching arms of totalitarians. This does not end well.

Bob boder
Reply to  Eustace Cranch
May 19, 2017 10:43 am

I feel your pain.

Reply to  Eustace Cranch
May 19, 2017 1:07 pm

Hello Eustace: Fortunately state, county and local government is only as authoritarian as its citizens allow it to be. I don’t how it is where you live, but here in coastal California, I take part in government every day, at every level. I don’t depend on others in Sacramento to do the right things, just as I don’t depend on government officials in my county or my nearby city to do the right thing. I’m right there at public meetings telling them what to do. Many times I’m the only one speaking out on a particular issue, and many times if I had not been there and spoken out, the outcome would have been completely different.
I don’t suit around and complain, I take action.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Michael A. Lewis
May 19, 2017 3:10 pm

Michael
Despite your undoubtedly best intentions, doesn’t look like it’s working…

Robertvd
May 19, 2017 9:49 am

So California has become officially a Fascist State. The National Socialist Democrats. North Korea 2.

Reply to  Robertvd
May 19, 2017 1:22 pm

This is such a silly, knee jerk reaction. There are innumerable opportunities to take part in the process of state and local government and do something about it, rather than sitting around making up fantasies.

MarkW
Reply to  Michael A. Lewis
May 19, 2017 3:01 pm

Not if you are sane. The problem is that those who feel they are entitled to take what others have earned are a majority of voters in CA.

Reply to  MarkW
May 19, 2017 7:15 pm

I’m not taking what others have earned. Must be someone else.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Michael A. Lewis
May 19, 2017 3:14 pm

Michael
At the end of the day (or voting period), it only matters how many fellow citizens agreed with you.
Even this ignores the politician who ignores the will of the people (e.g.: Brown & his bullet train).

Rick C PE
May 19, 2017 9:54 am

I have no doubt that they’ll achieve their goal. Simple plan – make the state such a miserable place to live that 40% of the population and business leave. Bingo – a 40% reduction in energy demand. The only question then will be if the remaining 60% will stay and deal with the economic collapse.

Rhoda R
Reply to  Rick C PE
May 19, 2017 10:07 am

And who will pay the massive taxes? That is another question for these jokers because it will be the tax base that ends up moving.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Rick C PE
May 19, 2017 3:17 pm

Except that CA is a magnet or the poor & illegal poor.
Productive people & businesses are migrating out of CA, but CA is not experiencing a decreasing population.

May 19, 2017 9:58 am

Commies got to commie

David Wells
May 19, 2017 10:05 am

Jerry Browns reelection campaign “the longest suicide note in history” but is no more and no less than what Christina Figueres decided was the way forward for the planet – Agenda 21 think globally act locally – and reinforced at the UN COP in Quito where it was agreed that henceforth the detestibles should be corralled in skyrise rabbit hutches patrolled by UN apparatchiks 24/7 to ensure limited movement and travel deprived of food and expected to live on the slime dripping off of the factory built concrete featureless hovels. This is Paul Ehrlich writ large remember he said that the planet could only support a population of a few million at best and this is still how the elite think we have to be controlled we cant be allowed unlimited power because of what we might get up to if we had access to it, heaven forfend we might get to enjoy ourselves.
Veganism, animal rights, Co2, methane, coal we remain under control from all sides the objective absolute control the elite in absolute fear and panic about what might happen if the pump runs dry so we are being headed off at the pass to make sure it doesn’t happen and the poor sucker Jerry Brown has be sucked in and sucked out but I cant believe that when 37 million Californians begin to wake up that Brown will succeed because California will just implode.
But here is the quote, she made it quite clear:
“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC working group on Mitigation of Climate Change 2008 to 2015.
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” Christina Figueres, Executive Secretary, UN’s Framework Convention on Climate Change.
Having failed to accomplish their remit – world peace – they are now seeking to deploy their totalitarian regime on those parts of the planet that have lost the will to fight because life has become too easy and Brown and the UN are determined to hit the soft underbelly of people to feeble and besotted with life and liberty to comprehend and understand exactly where the real threat to the hedonistic life styles is coming from. Not from terrorism but from environmentalism difficult to know the difference?

May 19, 2017 10:05 am

I know, it may be just side show to all the controversial details of global warming. Yet I would like to humbly point to the fact, that I just managed to not just falsify the GHE theory, but also to explain why is as warm as it is .. without greenhouse gases.
https://de.scribd.com/document/348761444/Its-the-Ocean-Stupid

Shoshin
May 19, 2017 10:06 am

The quicker that California blowuptuates, the quicker the rest of the world will see the insanity. Full speed ahead I say!

Reply to  Shoshin
May 19, 2017 2:38 pm

A few tens of thousands freezing to death during a bad cold snap, and not having enough power to go around, oughta do the trick.

Reply to  Menicholas
May 19, 2017 7:11 pm

Recall that this is California. We don’t do freeze-ups. We do solar, so we don;t have to worry about power outages.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Michael A. Lewis
May 20, 2017 1:17 pm

Michael, tell that to the millions without power to run air conditioning when impacted by CA “solar.” Consider, also, food spoilage.

PiperPaul
Reply to  Menicholas
May 19, 2017 7:26 pm

It’s pretty sad that it’ll probably take an event like this for people to wake up.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Shoshin
May 19, 2017 3:21 pm

Don’t hold your breath. You see the beating Greece has taken for the last 5-10 years – it take a lot of killing to blow up a state. And, just like EU taxpayers, the rest of us USA federal tax payers will undoubtedly get sucked into prolonging the misery.

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